Date   

Re: using Windows Live Mail

 

Mario,

          It also looks like that server may use TLS, too.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: using Windows Live Mail

 

Mario,

          I don't know if you configured the settings yourself or if WLM did it for you, but in any case I would double check that the "my server requires authentication" (or similar phrasing) checkbox is checked for the SMTP server and that it uses the same credentials as the incoming server (which is usually another checkbox).

          The nature of the error message you quote suggests that the server requires authentication but that WLM is trying to connect anonymously (which used to be quite common way back when, but not anymore).
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: using Windows Live Mail

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

First, Make sure the port for the SMTP server is correct. Second, Make sure POP is turned on in the settings on your Hotmail account. Third, Make sure the SMTP server's name is exact.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 8:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: using Windows Live Mail

as a backup for when Thunderbird doesn't behave, I want to use Windows Live Mail. so in configuring WLM 2012 with my Hotmail Plus account, the inbox, sent, deleted, etc., folders setup just fine, and I can receive and read incoming/existing emails okay, but sending a reply/forward/new message always gives an error. there's a problem with sending it to the smtp server. I don't know what's wrong; all of the settings seem to be what they should be. maybe I overlooked something? what should I check for? anybody got any suggestions on how to resolve the problem?

Server Error: 550
Server Response: 550 5.7.3 Requested action aborted; user not authenticated
Server: ’smtp.live.com’
Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC78
Protocol: SMTP
Port: 587
Secure(SSL): Yes
1 of 1


using Windows Live Mail

Mario
 

as a backup for when Thunderbird doesn't behave, I want to use Windows
Live Mail. so in configuring WLM 2012 with my Hotmail Plus account, the
inbox, sent, deleted, etc., folders setup just fine, and I can receive
and read incoming/existing emails okay, but sending a reply/forward/new
message always gives an error. there's a problem with sending it to the
smtp server. I don't know what's wrong; all of the settings seem to be
what they should be. maybe I overlooked something? what should I check
for? anybody got any suggestions on how to resolve the problem?

Server Error: 550
Server Response: 550 5.7.3 Requested action aborted; user not authenticated
Server: ’smtp.live.com’
Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC78
Protocol: SMTP
Port: 587
Secure(SSL): Yes
1 of 1


using Windows Live Mail

Mario
 

as a backup for when Thunderbird doesn't behave, I want to use Windows
Live Mail. so in configuring WLM 2012 with my Hotmail Plus account, the
inbox, sent, deleted, etc., folders setup just fine, and I can recieve
and read incomming/existing emails okay, but sending a reply/forward/new
message always gives an error. there's a problem with sending it to the
smtp server. I don't know what's wrong; all of the settings seem to be
what they should be. maybe I overlooked something? what should I check
for? anybody got any suggestions on how to resolve the problem?

Server Error: 550
Server Response: 550 5.7.3 Requested action aborted; user not authenticated
Server: ’smtp.live.com’
Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC78
Protocol: SMTP
Port: 587
Secure(SSL): Yes
1 of 1

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Apr 25, 2017 5:37 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 01:58 pm, Bill White wrote:


Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said
they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Please give a citation for that. Months ago, when support for WLM 2012
was ceased, it was because the Microsoft proprietary synchronization
(and I cannot for the life of me recall what they called it) for
combined calendar/contacts/e-mail was being changed and is no longer
supported.

For anyone using WLM 2012 via POP or IMAP, which is most people I know
who use it, e-mail download (POP) and synchronization (IMAP more than
POP) remains fully functional.
--
*Brian*

Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very
definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Thunderbird Still quirky.

Mario
 

although some have suggested that it is a JAWS issue, I think it is a TB
issue. if JAWS or NVDA worked fine before TB updated, doesn't that
suggest an issue with TB?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Barnett [mailto:randy@soundtique.net]
Sent: Tuesday, Apr 25, 2017 7:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thunderbird Still quirky.

I downloaded the latest Jaws release today and Thunderbird works as
before except for one issue. The inbox is still blank... I use Unified
Folders and now I have to open the inbox tree and go to each account to
read messages. Is this a Jaws issue or a Thunderbird issue? Or is it
just my PC?



.


Re: Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

Well, I guess logic is more subjective than I thought.

It just seemed to me that when I downloaded and installed two entirely separate files and JAWS saw no file that even remotely resembled the new files, but only an old file that had been on my computer for months (if not years) before I downloaded the two new files, that seemed illogical.  Perhaps I was aided in my errant conclusion when at least 10 different suggestions made to Mr. Robins and me failed to suggest this “logical” solution to the problem.

Oh well!  All’s well that ends well.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

 

To me this is pretty logical. When you first get Jaws Eloquence is the default synthesizer, then once you go to voice person you have Reed, Shelley, Glenn, Rocko and whatever else there is. If you select any of them and save it it is still called Eloquence and not Reed or Glenn or whatever, you would have to go to “Save As” and name it this.

The same applies to Vocalizer, just as Eloquence it is the collection of whichever voices you install, if you install Susan, Samantha, Tom and Allison then those are available, if I install other languages like German in my case, I go to my Vocalizer Factory Default, then I change the language to german and then if I installed two german voices those are available and I can save a profile for each if I want.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

 

All:

I finally called technical support.  This was after checking the archives here and doing a general Web search.  It turns out that Alan Robins, then a participant on this list, appeared to have the same problem.  Numerous suggestions were made.  Nothing worked, and if Alan ever got Vocalizer to work and mentioned it on the list, I must have missed it.  Alan, if you still want to get Vocalizer 2 working, read on.

Since the High Premium voices come in separate files, I was looking for a synthesizer named Allison or Susan.  All I saw was Vocalizer Expressive (factory), and I believe that same file was present before – presumably for Vocalizer Expressive 1 voices.

At the direction of FS technical support (or whatever they are called now), I went into the JAWS menu (JawsKey + j).  Then, I went into “Options” and then “Voices.”  After that, I went into plain old “Voice Adjustments.”  I didn’t touch the utilities menu or the Braille and Synthesizer Manager –as I had supposed.

Well, I arrowed down to that same stupid old Vocalizer Expressive (factory) entry.  After highlighting it, I was instructed to press Alt + v.  That isn’t a particularly appropriate shortcut for “Person,” but it worked.  I was presented with two names: one included “Susan” and the other included “Allison.”

I was next instructed to tab over to “Save as.”  I then renamed the files to “Susan” and then “Allison,” respectively. 

Now, if I want to switch “synthesizers” or “voices” (and the distinction is a little meaningless now), I press control+ JawsKey + s.  I can arrow among Susan, Allison, Eloquence, and …

Was this intuitive?  My best guess is that FS has been hiring laid off Microsoft programmers.

Who else would think this is logical?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

Hi:

 

If you have any of the older vocalizer voices installed, you should uninstall them.  For some reason, JAWS cannot use both version 1 and version 2 voices.

 

If that’s not the problem, I’m stumped.

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

I took the plunge and installed JAWS 18.  I wanted to try the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices.  So, I downloaded and installed Alison and Suzan High Premium from the Expressive 2 lists.  The files downloaded just fine, and the installation seemed to work just fine.

I have restarted JAWS 3 times, and JAWS sees none of the new synthesizers.  Any ideas?

 

 

I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial:  816.502.4646

Mobile:  816.812.0088

Google Voice:  408.692.5640

Facsimile:  816.960.0041

Kutak Rock LLP

2300 Main Street, Suite 800

Kansas City, MO 64108

ed.marquette@...

 

 

 

 

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Re: Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

To me this is pretty logical. When you first get Jaws Eloquence is the default synthesizer, then once you go to voice person you have Reed, Shelley, Glenn, Rocko and whatever else there is. If you select any of them and save it it is still called Eloquence and not Reed or Glenn or whatever, you would have to go to “Save As” and name it this.

The same applies to Vocalizer, just as Eloquence it is the collection of whichever voices you install, if you install Susan, Samantha, Tom and Allison then those are available, if I install other languages like German in my case, I go to my Vocalizer Factory Default, then I change the language to german and then if I installed two german voices those are available and I can save a profile for each if I want.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizer Expressive 2 Installation Problem Solved

 

All:

I finally called technical support.  This was after checking the archives here and doing a general Web search.  It turns out that Alan Robins, then a participant on this list, appeared to have the same problem.  Numerous suggestions were made.  Nothing worked, and if Alan ever got Vocalizer to work and mentioned it on the list, I must have missed it.  Alan, if you still want to get Vocalizer 2 working, read on.

Since the High Premium voices come in separate files, I was looking for a synthesizer named Allison or Susan.  All I saw was Vocalizer Expressive (factory), and I believe that same file was present before – presumably for Vocalizer Expressive 1 voices.

At the direction of FS technical support (or whatever they are called now), I went into the JAWS menu (JawsKey + j).  Then, I went into “Options” and then “Voices.”  After that, I went into plain old “Voice Adjustments.”  I didn’t touch the utilities menu or the Braille and Synthesizer Manager –as I had supposed.

Well, I arrowed down to that same stupid old Vocalizer Expressive (factory) entry.  After highlighting it, I was instructed to press Alt + v.  That isn’t a particularly appropriate shortcut for “Person,” but it worked.  I was presented with two names: one included “Susan” and the other included “Allison.”

I was next instructed to tab over to “Save as.”  I then renamed the files to “Susan” and then “Allison,” respectively. 

Now, if I want to switch “synthesizers” or “voices” (and the distinction is a little meaningless now), I press control+ JawsKey + s.  I can arrow among Susan, Allison, Eloquence, and …

Was this intuitive?  My best guess is that FS has been hiring laid off Microsoft programmers.

Who else would think this is logical?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

Hi:

 

If you have any of the older vocalizer voices installed, you should uninstall them.  For some reason, JAWS cannot use both version 1 and version 2 voices.

 

If that’s not the problem, I’m stumped.

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Installing Vocalizer Expressive 2

 

I took the plunge and installed JAWS 18.  I wanted to try the Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices.  So, I downloaded and installed Alison and Suzan High Premium from the Expressive 2 lists.  The files downloaded just fine, and the installation seemed to work just fine.

I have restarted JAWS 3 times, and JAWS sees none of the new synthesizers.  Any ideas?

 

 

I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial:  816.502.4646

Mobile:  816.812.0088

Google Voice:  408.692.5640

Facsimile:  816.960.0041

Kutak Rock LLP

2300 Main Street, Suite 800

Kansas City, MO 64108

ed.marquette@...

 

 

 

 

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Thank you.

 


Re: New mail client?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

You are correct in this, Brian.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New mail client?

 

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 01:58 pm, Bill White wrote:

Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Please give a citation for that.  Months ago, when support for WLM 2012 was ceased, it was because the Microsoft proprietary synchronization (and I cannot for the life of me recall what they called it) for combined calendar/contacts/e-mail was being changed and is no longer supported.

For anyone using WLM 2012 via POP or IMAP, which is most people I know who use it, e-mail download (POP) and synchronization (IMAP more than POP) remains fully functional.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Thunderbird Still quirky.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I noticed that if I arrow from another folder to the inbox folder then tab to the list pane then insert + T it says the name of the last folder I was in... If I shift tab to the folder pane it says Inbox. tab to the list pane it says the name of the last folder I was ini.e. Drafts folder. Any ideas? I really prefer Unified folders over indevidual folders for each of my 12 accounts.

On 4/25/2017 4:58 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Well, I just tried NVDA and it does the same thing as Jaws... Not happy at all...
On 4/25/2017 4:52 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
I downloaded the latest Jaws release today and Thunderbird works as before except for one issue. The inbox is still blank... I use Unified Folders and now I have to open the inbox tree and go to each account to read messages. Is this a Jaws issue or a Thunderbird issue? Or is it just my PC?




Re: Thunderbird Still quirky.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Well, I just tried NVDA and it does the same thing as Jaws... Not happy at all...

On 4/25/2017 4:52 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
I downloaded the latest Jaws release today and Thunderbird works as before except for one issue. The inbox is still blank... I use Unified Folders and now I have to open the inbox tree and go to each account to read messages. Is this a Jaws issue or a Thunderbird issue? Or is it just my PC?


Thunderbird Still quirky.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I downloaded the latest Jaws release today and Thunderbird works as before except for one issue. The inbox is still blank... I use Unified Folders and now I have to open the inbox tree and go to each account to read messages. Is this a Jaws issue or a Thunderbird issue? Or is it just my PC?


Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hello all,

Have you tried assigning the calculator to a hot key. It sure is easier and
faster to bring up the calculator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

First I used to have to press ca, but since I've used it so much, it gives
me calculator as first choice.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

Bill,

Instead of pressing C repeatedly, just press the Windows Key and immediately
start typing the word Calculator. I doubt you have to type past the first 3
or so letters for it to come up. For me the first thing that comes up after
"c" is Google Chrome, but as soon as I type the "a" calculator has focus and
I can press enter to start the app.
Also, many keyboards have calculator shortcut keys. I'm using a Logitech
MK710 and it has a calculator key on the very right at the same height as
the Function keys. After the Print Screen, Scroll lock and Pause keys there
is a gap and then a lone key off to the right and it brings up the
calculator.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I have to press the C key a couple of times to get the Calculator. First
comes Control Panel.
Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I have JAWS 18, latest update. I also have Windows 10 and just press the
Windows Key and then C - VOILA, up comes calculator. I use the qwerty
numbers and symbols - works like a charm, only way to go to figure my Visa
figures.
They're not on my spread sheet right now.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 and Calculator

I saw a number of posts on this list earlier about the calculator. Indeed,
in Windows 10, it is hidden. With a little sighted assistance, however, we
found it and pinned it to the task bar, which was a good solution.

And, a huge thanks to the discussion about using the Windows Key and numbers
keys to jump to applications. I had forgotten about those commands
entirely. Now, I use them all the time. They are fantastic!

Well, I installed JAWS 18 yesterday. ALAS! The calculator that worked so
well in JAWS 17 appears to be completely broken in JAWS 18 or, if not
broken, is implemented so badly as to be useless.

It is so good to be able to keep old versions of JAWS around so that when
Freedom Scientific screws up, as they did with calculator, one can go back
to a prior version. The calculator works great in JAWS 17. It seems
unusable in JAWS 18.





I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial: 816.502.4646

Mobile: 816.812.0088

Google Voice: 408.692.5640

Facsimile: 816.960.0041

Kutak Rock LLP

2300 Main Street, Suite 800

Kansas City, MO 64108

ed.marquette@kutakrock.com
<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com>









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Re: New mail client?

 

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 01:58 pm, Bill White wrote:
Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Please give a citation for that.  Months ago, when support for WLM 2012 was ceased, it was because the Microsoft proprietary synchronization (and I cannot for the life of me recall what they called it) for combined calendar/contacts/e-mail was being changed and is no longer supported.

For anyone using WLM 2012 via POP or IMAP, which is most people I know who use it, e-mail download (POP) and synchronization (IMAP more than POP) remains fully functional.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: New mail client?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

That doesn't make any sense... I have an outlook.com account and I would not use WLM if that is the case.

On 4/25/2017 1:58 PM, Bill White wrote:
Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...








Re: New mail client?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Be careful if you use Outlook.com from Microsoft. They have recently said they will no longer support synchronization with WLM.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Randy,

I am using Jaws, but not Thunderbird, so I cann't help you with this.

Marten

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:27:02 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net> wrote:

Thanks,I use unified folders and the inbox isnt showing all of my new
mail... I have to open the unified jinobox folder and go to each
indevidual account to see new messages. Is there something I can do to
fix this? Thanks again for the help.
On 4/25/2017 12:24 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...




Re: New mail client?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Thanks,I use unified folders and the inbox isnt showing all of my new mail... I have to open the unified jinobox folder and go to each indevidual account to see new messages. Is there something I can do to fix this? Thanks again for the help.

On 4/25/2017 12:24 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Randy,

Today an april update is released with some fixes. Will not be available
by automatic update. You have to download it. One of the three fixes is
for thunderbird.
You can download it from:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards, Marten

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:31:52 -0700 "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net> wrote:

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...


Re: New mail client?

kory anderson
 

wlm 2012?

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New mail client?

Is there a accessible mail client now that Thunderbird is broken? Don't you just love the way accessibility gets "better" all the time...