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moderated Re: Outlook scheduling assistant

Michael Mote
 

I do use it, and find that tabbing through the fields once in
scheduling assistant seems to work OK. It's not great, but it does
work. It also allows me to move the time of a meeting around, so I can
find the spot that works best for multiple attendees.


On 5/6/20, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
<Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io> wrote:
I recently got an update to Office 365 here at work and am now on Microsoft
Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20648. With this, there are some
changes to the calendar portion of Outlook, including the order of the entry
fields when creating a new invitation. The other thing is that the
Scheduling Assistant is now a tab on the ribbon. It's pretty easy to hit
alt and right arrow to open the scheduling assistant. Here is where my
question comes in. Once on that Scheduling Assistant view, I used to use
Shift Control S to read the availability of my invitees before sending an
invitation. This keystroke no longer works, simply saying "Attendee Status
not found". If I press F6, focus rotate between three items: Room finder,
Upper ribbon and , then to "All attendee Status". This last one reads out
the information I need. What's interesting to me is that I cannot think of
a way to read out this information without circulating through the options
with F6, yet the information being read seems to correspond to the pane I'm
initially in when I open Scheduling Assistant. Anyone else using Scheduling
Assistant in this new format and have any other insights?




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moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

Richard Turner
 

However, that is just for one, temporary marker.

Alt+n then k allows you to add multiple bookmarks with separate names in Word documents, and control+g, shift+tab to the list, press b, for Bookmark, tab and either select or type in the name then press alt+g, followed by escape to land on your chosen bookmark.

 

Lots of keystrokes, but if you want to have multiple bookmarks in a very long document, it works well.

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

Yes Tom, cntrl-windows-k to insert, alt-windows-k to retrieve.

                                                            Take care, Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

Is there a key command for inserting a bookmark?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

Hi John,

 

I'd insert a bookmark at the place you want to leave off reading - the option is on the ribbon's insert tab.

 

When you reopen your document to resume reading, turn on JAWS quick keys with JAWS key+z, and navigate to the next bookmark by pressing the letter b until you land on the one you want.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

On 7 May 2020, at 18:44, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:

 

Hello:

I wish to read a book in Word document format.

Can someone please tell me how I can indicate in the document where I am so I can close the document and when opened again I can find where I left off?

Any help would be  appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Richard Turner
 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hello,

As many of you probably know, JAWS identifies individual applications by their file name. This method is used to load script filers, configurations and so on. However what if we have two applications with the same file name? A wrong scripts and configurations will be loaded leading to some serious errors!

My suggestion therefore is to use the manifest as the identifier of the individual application, and fallback to the file name only when strictly necessary (no Manifest  present).


moderated Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Mike,

 

You are brilliant!!!

I am using outlook 2007, as I couldn’t be bothered upgrading. Office 2007 has everything I want.

Anyway, now and then, my email starts to announce “table nesting ***” and so on. It is impossible to get out of this, but I think that this will do the trick.

 

Cheers,

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday 8 May 2020 02:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

You're most welcome.  A quick question:

Do they make an app for this?

Read the wine list of your favorite wine store for eSpecials?  LOL  LOL

Toast!
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Mike, thank you very much indeed!

That fixed it.

This will make a huge difference in reading the wines listed by my favorite wine store for his eSpecials….

 

Bottoms up~!

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Hi Richard,

 

Give the follwoing a try:

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

 

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.

 

 Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this. 

 

Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email?

I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely.

I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 


moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Yes Tom, cntrl-windows-k to insert, alt-windows-k to retrieve.

                                                            Take care, Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

Is there a key command for inserting a bookmark?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

Hi John,

 

I'd insert a bookmark at the place you want to leave off reading - the option is on the ribbon's insert tab.

 

When you reopen your document to resume reading, turn on JAWS quick keys with JAWS key+z, and navigate to the next bookmark by pressing the letter b until you land on the one you want.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

On 7 May 2020, at 18:44, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:

 

Hello:

I wish to read a book in Word document format.

Can someone please tell me how I can indicate in the document where I am so I can close the document and when opened again I can find where I left off?

Any help would be  appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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moderated Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

Mike B
 

You're most welcome.  A quick question:
Do they make an app for this?
Read the wine list of your favorite wine store for eSpecials?  LOL  LOL
Toast!
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

Mike, thank you very much indeed!

That fixed it.

This will make a huge difference in reading the wines listed by my favorite wine store for his eSpecials….

 

Bottoms up~!

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Hi Richard,

 

Give the follwoing a try:

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

 

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.

 

 Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this. 

 

Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email?

I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely.

I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 


moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

Ann Byrne
 

Shift+f5 is supposed to do that, but it almost never works for me.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

What version of Word are you using?  I know that Word 2016 has a feature that will remember where you left off in a Word document the next time you open it.  I get the prompt about whether I want to do this all the time.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Microsoft Teams

Shan Noyes
 

You need to get the jaws Scripps from Doug Lee because they are awesome and they make the use of Teams extremely easy in the Scripps will work with jaws 18 and 19 check out his website www.doyou league that’s DLEE.org/teams they are really good

On May 6, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:

Hello,
Part of your problem is that you have an old version of JAWS and you should be running JAWS 2020.2004.66, which was recently released.

You should check out the Freedom Scientific Youtube Channel for demonstrations of Team with JAWS and visit the archeive on the past webinar on using JAWS with Team.

Another source for keyboard commands with Team can be found on the Microsoft accessibility page.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Yates, Danney via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Impressed that so many are successfully working with MS Teams. I'm having fits.
Using Win 10 JAWS 18. I've listened to the You tube videos and checked out the Microsoft link, provided on list. What should be happening, in order to join a meeting is not consistent. Supposed to be able to hit enter on the MS Team calendar entry and have it open, revealing the join link, but I get dead silence when I do this.
I've made sure that the virtual PC is enabled, but don't know what else I can try. In general, lots of the word "blank" when hitting tab and arrow keys.
Danney




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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shankar C via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Steven,, ctrl 2 is the keystroke for quickly get into the chat list.




On 4/2/20, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@...> wrote:
Hi Steven,

You can find the complete training material on Microsoft Teams at
Microsoft Support Website.
Teams is completely accessible with JAWS and adding the link below
that has all the information including working, installation,
navigation and shortcuts etc.

Basic tasks using a screen reader with Microsoft Teams
<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsup
port.office.com%2Fen-us%2Farticle%2Fbasic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-
with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d&amp;data=02%
7C01%7Cdanney.yates%40ablegeorgia.ga.gov%7C39079ae70a5f4e24083c08d7d75
dd0de%7Ce54ad2e331314ed797e3e6e95d089c4e%7C0%7C0%7C637214670266787778&
amp;sdata=z%2Biq%2BEF3kZCJRnwGn796rW55hFQ7s4Gw2F8l4zNA%2F64%3D&amp;res
erved=0>

Hope this helps

Pramit

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:58 PM Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
via Groups.Io <steven.hicks=nhs.net@groups.io> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any traning material available please?





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moderated Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

Richard Turner
 

Mike, thank you very much indeed!

That fixed it.

This will make a huge difference in reading the wines listed by my favorite wine store for his eSpecials….

 

Bottoms up~!

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Hi Richard,

 

Give the follwoing a try:

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

 

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

 

 Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.

 

 Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this. 

 

Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email?

I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely.

I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 


moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Ann.

 

This is very helpful, and cvlarifies things nicely.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

 

That sounds like temporary placemarkers, not bookmarks.  Bookmarks are a Word function, and placemarkers are JFW.

 

To set a bookmark, press alt-n, then k.  Name the bookmark and press enter.  You can have tons of bookmarks in a document, but each one needs a unique name.

 

To move to a bookmark you have set, press ctrl+g (goto), Shift+tab to the list of options which will have ‘page’ at the top, and arrow down to book marks.  Press tab, and Word will list your bookmarks in a combo box that JAWS may or may not read, and you can move to the one you want.  If JAWS doesn’t read the list, which it didn’t for me, press the first letter of the bookmark and that seems to wake it up.


moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

Tom Behler
 

Jim:

 

These are good points.

 

I also don’t know if a fillable PDF document can be created by Word.

 

Would be interested in the experiences of others.

 

That’s how we learn.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

Tom,

Word does let you export or save your Word document in PDF format, this is true with many types of programs.  I am not sure if you could create a fillable PDF document this way, I am guessing that what Word is producing is more of an image rather than a true PDF.  I know from personal experience that I receive a monthly publication that is exported from Word as a PDF and I can read most of it, but the TOC and any tables are butchered by a screen reader.  Also, the screen reader often skips paragraphs and I have to go backwards to reread the skipped paragraph.

Jim Weiss

 


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On May 7, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

But, for those of us who have Microsoft Word, can’t we create PDF’s with that?

 

I’ve never done this, but think it’s possible.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

No, the free Adobe pdf reader. The paid version lets you create pdf's.

On 5/6/2020 11:01 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

Is it the paid version?  I've found that the version I have is hit or miss with pdfs.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

Oh, forgot to mention I always use Adobe reader DC for pdf forms.

On 5/4/2020 10:34 AM, Jenni Kent wrote:

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 05:21 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
I've never used Windows Backup
And you shouldn't start, as the core component for same was deprecated several years back.  It's not gone, yet, but once something is deprecated it's living on borrowed time.  Microsoft has suggested using the third-party solution of your choosing since that time.

Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7)]

 
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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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moderated Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

Alan Robbins
 

Richard,

 

I had this problem with JAWS 2020 but not with 2019 or 2018

Does it do it with them too? When in JAWS 2020 try the layered keystroke insert + spacebar, then letter Z. This puts JAWS in default mode. See if it does it then. Mine stopped when I did this so I knew my  scrips or settings had become corrupt. I imported my JAWS 2019 settings without merging and problem was solved. BTW the command above is a toggle so do it again and all is back to normal.

 

Al

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email

 

Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email?

I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely.

I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 


moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

Mike B
 

Hi Ann,
 
Thank you for the correction  I'll save this for future use and reference..

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document

That sounds like temporary placemarkers, not bookmarks.  Bookmarks are a Word function, and placemarkers are JFW.

 

To set a bookmark, press alt-n, then k.  Name the bookmark and press enter.  You can have tons of bookmarks in a document, but each one needs a unique name.

 

To move to a bookmark you have set, press ctrl+g (goto), Shift+tab to the list of options which will have ‘page’ at the top, and arrow down to book marks.  Press tab, and Word will list your bookmarks in a combo box that JAWS may or may not read, and you can move to the one you want.  If JAWS doesn’t read the list, which it didn’t for me, press the first letter of the bookmark and that seems to wake it up.


moderated Re: Reading a long Word document

 

What version of Word are you using?  I know that Word 2016 has a feature that will remember where you left off in a Word document the next time you open it.  I get the prompt about whether I want to do this all the time.
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