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moderated Weird braille display issue

ann
 

Hi folks,


I am experiencing a weird and frustrating issue when writing emails using Thunderbird and the latest Jaws2020. My braille display is an Orbit Reader 20 Plus, and in all other editing writing situations, it works beautifully, even on Google Docs which can act weird for me sometimes. But each time I try and write an email message using it with Thunderbird, the lines get reversed. I press the Dot 8 key to produce a new line, which is produced, but when I start to type on the display, the typed characters appear at the very top of the message.


This does not happen with the same display and NVDA or Narrator and Thunderbird.


Is there some obscure Jaws braille setting I can play with to fix this problem? And, if it's a bug, to whom should I report it, Orbit research or Freedom Scientific (I know they've changed there name LOL).


Thanks for any suggestions. This is the only problem I am having with the orbit reader so far as a remote braille display.


~Ann


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

kevin meyers
 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Matzura
 

Actually you didn't have to uninstall. You could have changed the type of interface in the Settings dialog. Whoever told you to uninstall is obviously not familiar with the product they are being paid to support. Sad really.


On 5/8/2020 8:42 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?go to the point of creating the image

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

IFW is a Terabyte Unlimited product. A thirty-day free trial is offered. What about it did you not like, or would you change about it?

 

Narrator gets included when a certain initialization (.INI)file is edited before the recovery disk is created. It can be started manually I think, but this particular option will start it when the recovery disk is booted.

 

On 5/8/2020 6:44 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?



moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

kevin meyers
 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?go to the point of creating the image

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

IFW is a Terabyte Unlimited product. A thirty-day free trial is offered. What about it did you not like, or would you change about it?

 

Narrator gets included when a certain initialization (.INI)file is edited before the recovery disk is created. It can be started manually I think, but this particular option will start it when the recovery disk is booted.

 

On 5/8/2020 6:44 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 


moderated Re: help with router web interface

Steve Matzura
 

I don't know that router, but checking those boxes might not mean what you think it does. For intance, on my Verizon Fios Gateway G1100 router, checking the box means it's eligible for deletion and the DELETE button becomes active at the bottom of the list and screen.


Have you tried the ports to see whether or not they actually got enabled?

On 5/8/2020 5:40 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
Hi.
I need a little help with my router.
I'm trying to add some ports on my router.
I've got a nighthawk m1.
I enable port farwarding, and open the ports.
I check the ports as enabled, but they just unchecks them selves.
Have I missed something?


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Matzura
 

IFW is a Terabyte Unlimited product. A thirty-day free trial is offered. What about it did you not like, or would you change about it?


Narrator gets included when a certain initialization (.INI)file is edited before the recovery disk is created. It can be started manually I think, but this particular option will start it when the recovery disk is booted.


On 5/8/2020 6:44 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?



moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 08:16 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Falls on deaf ears apparently, as it's still extant.
As is often the case.  But the only recourse is to bring it up with those who can do something about it.  There is no guarantee they will.

For myself, this would be a very, very low priority change.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Matzura
 

Yes, and if you edit a certain file according to on-screen instructions when the recovery disk is created, you can set it to start Narrator for you when it boots. Great stuff!


On 5/8/2020 1:55 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hello,

 

There is an option in the Image for Windows menus to create an IFW recovery boot disk.

 

Yes, this recovery disk includes Narrator which can be activated by typing Control+Windows+enter.  And, this allows a blind person to do the restore of a previously created backup image.

 

I made this disk on a thumb drive a long time ago.  I do not remember the steps and I remember it gave me a lot of trouble before I kind of accidently got it done.  If the directions are not clear to you, maybe someone can offer assistance.  But, if you buy IFW, you will have Narrator available on the recovery disk.

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian



moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Steve Matzura
 

Interesting that my version of this file has two entries--ONLY two. Yet dozens of programs load scripts, like the very program I'm using to write this message--namely, Thunderbird. Where is the information for loading scripts and configurations for all these other programs kept?

On 5/8/2020 12:20 PM, Nermin via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
one place to look for files and associated scripts is a file called ConfigNames.ini, found in your users and then the JAWS directory, un to the one you want, settings\ and the corresponding language code, enu for English US, esp for spanish, and so forth.
You can find out what programme is being loaded using the command INSERT+q. CONTROL+INSERT+V will also tell you the exact programme version for a given window if needed. Pressing the commands twice quickly will virtualise the window for reviewing it later.
One such example from the ini file looks like this:
[ConfigNames]
TeamTalk5Classic=tt_classic
TeamTalk4Classic=tt_classic
T
he first part is the name of the software, and the second part is the script to be loaded if that executable is running.
In the example, both TeamTalk 4 and 5 would be using the same set of scripts.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Nermin


moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Steve Matzura
 

I have in versions past. Falls on deaf ears apparently, as it's still extant.


On 5/8/2020 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 05:35 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:
My suggestion therefore is to use the manifest as the identifier of the individual application, and fallback to the file name only when strictly necessary (no Manifest  present).
And my suggestion is that you take the time to contact Freedom Scientific Technical Support about this issue.  That's the only way it has any hope of actually being addressed in a timely manner, if it ends up being addressed at all.


moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Steve Matzura
 

I've been saying this for years. Filenames alone are not enough to distinguish applications.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki

Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

Hello,

As many of you probably know, JAWS identifies individual applications by their file name. This method is used to load script filers, configurations and so on. However what if we have two applications with the same file name? A wrong scripts and configurations will be loaded leading to some serious errors!

My suggestion therefore is to use the manifest as the identifier of the individual application, and fallback to the file name only when strictly necessary (no Manifest  present).



moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

kevin meyers
 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: help with router web interface

Gmail Jonas
 

Did you give your FTP server a static IP address?

Some routers may have a page with the most used ports for something like that.
If it is a new router I will try teck support or you will most likely need to Google it!
A fast and dirty way to try to get that working is moving it to the DMZ!
But it must have the IP address first!

You may

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kristoffer Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with router web interface

There is no apply button. I want to run my ftp server

Skickat från min iPhone

9 maj 2020 kl. 00:04 skrev Gmail Jonas <jonasvoll@...>:

Did you look for a save or apply?
Why or what do you need to open the ports for?



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: help with router web interface

Hi.
I need a little help with my router.
I'm trying to add some ports on my router.
I've got a nighthawk m1.
I enable port farwarding, and open the ports.
I check the ports as enabled, but they just unchecks them selves.
Have I missed something?


--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934







moderated Re: help with router web interface

Kristoffer Gustafsson
 

There is no apply button. I want to run my ftp server

Skickat från min iPhone

9 maj 2020 kl. 00:04 skrev Gmail Jonas <jonasvoll@...>:

Did you look for a save or apply?
Why or what do you need to open the ports for?



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kristoffer Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: help with router web interface

Hi.
I need a little help with my router.
I'm trying to add some ports on my router.
I've got a nighthawk m1.
I enable port farwarding, and open the ports.
I check the ports as enabled, but they just unchecks them selves.
Have I missed something?


--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934







moderated Re: help with router web interface

Gmail Jonas
 

Did you look for a save or apply?
Why or what do you need to open the ports for?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kristoffer Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: help with router web interface

Hi.
I need a little help with my router.
I'm trying to add some ports on my router.
I've got a nighthawk m1.
I enable port farwarding, and open the ports.
I check the ports as enabled, but they just unchecks them selves.
Have I missed something?


--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934


moderated help with router web interface

Kristoffer Gustafsson
 

Hi.
I need a little help with my router.
I'm trying to add some ports on my router.
I've got a nighthawk m1.
I enable port farwarding, and open the ports.
I check the ports as enabled, but they just unchecks them selves.
Have I missed something?


--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934


moderated Re: downloads view is now separated by file type

 

How odd.

The "new" default Group by on the Downloads folder is by date, not file type.  I actually like it and have retained it as I'm generally looking for something more recent before I'm looking for something older, and when I am I can just search for the old stuff.  But I also clean out my Downloads folder pretty frequently and for anything I wish to keep long term I move it out of Downloads and into whatever folder I wish to archive it in almost immediately.  In most of my browsers I make them ask me where I want to save whatever I'm downloading rather than using the Downloads folder to begin with.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: downloads view is now separated by file type

Cher
 

Thanks so much. I changed “group by” to none- and that seems to have fixed it. Have never seen this before- but my daughter is using my system now… so will likely see more new and amazing things 😊

 

Cher

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downloads view is now separated by file type

 

You've almost certainly accidentally clicked on (or the screen reader equivalent thereof) the column header for file type, and that's now what's being sorted on.

Get yourself focused on the Name column header and hit spacebar.  If the sort order is in the reverse of what you want, gain focus on it again and hit spacebar again, which will toggle the sort order from ascending to descending or vice versa.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss