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moderated sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence, this is the right thread

Leo
 

Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

 

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries, and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus 

 

cyberphobia       

 

semitone   

 

                                      

kurzweil   

 

insincere   

 

and one of my favorites,

 

voila!

 

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

You’ll find the link to the dictionary file at the end of this E-mail, all you have to do is to download the compressed file and unzip it.

 

1.    Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other words, back it up.

2.    Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1. If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

 

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a backup of that file.

 

Download link available for a week:

https://we.tl/t-zqjm1EjYiv

 

 

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo


moderated Re: sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

John Covici
 

Also, the file is missing, I don't think this list allows attachments.

On Sat, 09 May 2020 18:31:37 -0400,
Leo wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
    Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve
the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence
because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking
into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally
inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many
pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not
remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for
some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who
started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries,
and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant
difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close
attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to
this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus

cyberphobia

semitone

kurzweil

insincere

and one of my favorites,

voila!

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

The dictionary file is attached to this E-mail, all you have to do is to
download the compressed file and unzip it.

1.Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder
C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the
file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other
words, back it up.

2.Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name
of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the
folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.
If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the
words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name
of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the
new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it
shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a
backup of that file.

--
Best,
Leo




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moderated Re: sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

John Covici
 

How is this file created, might be nice to modify or use with another
synth.

On Sat, 09 May 2020 18:31:37 -0400,
Leo wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
    Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve
the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence
because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking
into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally
inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many
pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not
remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for
some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who
started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries,
and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant
difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close
attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to
this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus

cyberphobia

semitone

kurzweil

insincere

and one of my favorites,

voila!

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

The dictionary file is attached to this E-mail, all you have to do is to
download the compressed file and unzip it.

1.Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder
C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the
file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other
words, back it up.

2.Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name
of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the
folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.
If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the
words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name
of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the
new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it
shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a
backup of that file.

--
Best,
Leo




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moderated Re: sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

Richard Turner
 

Well, I think this list prevents attachments
I personally do not use Eloquence, so it won't matter to me, but I thought you should know.


Richard

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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 9, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Leo <literophilus@...> wrote:



    Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

 

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries, and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus 

 

cyberphobia       

 

semitone   

 

                                      

kurzweil   

 

insincere   

 

and one of my favorites,

 

voila!

 

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

The dictionary file is attached to this E-mail, all you have to do is to download the compressed file and unzip it.

 

1.    Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other words, back it up.

2.    Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1. If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

 

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a backup of that file.

 

 

 

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

kevin meyers
 

James,

 

I uninstalled it again and reinstalled it. This time it works. Must have donething wrong.

 

There are some options I have no idea what to do with. Did you install simple or traditional version? Then when I ran the IFP there were more things I didn’t know what to do with. There was two screens with global options. I just left these alone.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

Leo
 

    Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

 

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries, and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus 

 

cyberphobia       

 

semitone   

 

                                      

kurzweil   

 

insincere   

 

and one of my favorites,

 

voila!

 

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

The dictionary file is attached to this E-mail, all you have to do is to download the compressed file and unzip it.

 

1.    Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other words, back it up.

2.    Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1. If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

 

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a backup of that file.

 

 

 

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo


moderated Jaws And Outlook Auto Fill Sounds

Geoff Connor
 

Hi all.

I am using the latest version of Jaws 2020 and Outlook 2016 Home and Business on 2 windows 10 computers. When I go to send a message, the sounds that are supposed to play when the auto fill opens and closes are not sounding. My Microsoft sounds are turned on, and the other day, I talked to both Microsoft disability and Freedom Scientific. I had no luck. This feature has never worked for me. If anyone has any suggestion, it would be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Geoff


moderated Re: jaws, synthesizers, and phonemic changes

Leo
 

well, Brian and fellow listers, wait for something!


Best,
   Leo
On 5/8/2020 3:07 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I hope that someone can point you to what you're looking for.  I'm just writing to say that I have never found such, and have always used trial and error with the JAWS dictionary to eventually land on the pronunciations I want for certain words.  And some of the replacements are, to put it mildly, not what I would have thought would work.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Capturing Both Video and Audio of my Computer for Videos

Gmail Jonas
 

Camstudio!

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Capturing Both Video and Audio of my Computer for Videos

 

Hi All

 

Does anyone know of accessible software to capture video of what’s  on the screen, while allowing the audio of my voice and JAWS to be heard. I like how Freedom Scientific does and I’d like to be able to do that for my own technology videos.

 

Thanks

Debbie

 

 

Thanks

Debbie


moderated Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Dave,

 

Yes, you are right. However, microsoft are starting to phase out internet explorer.

In windows 10, it is something that can be installed from programs and features, rather than being the default, as was the case in previous versions of windows.

In fact, lately, I have found that ie does not work as well with a lot of new web sites out there.

I just thought that I would throw it out there as a matter of information to yourselves, and to highlight the fact, that if someone gets stuck, google chrome and edge chrome wont allow it.

There are a great many people developing web sites, including myself, that run them locally to test them. At that stage, it is unlikely, that they would have a proper certificate installed.

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday 9 May 2020 10:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

 

Pat:

 

Internet Explorer allowed you to do that as well.

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:26 AM

Subject: Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

 

Hi,

 

i thought i would just throw this out there in case it helps someone.

i have just downloaded and installed the brave browser for the internet.

it is a verry slimmed down version of chrome or edge.

the one thing i liked about it, is that it allows you to proceed to web sites that are not recommended.

for example:

i have a nas storage device on my network, but it is that old, that the certificate is no longer valid.

even importing this certificate into my trusted route certifications store on my machine does not fix the problem.

both google chrome and chrome edge, just tell you that the site is bad, and thats all.

brave on the other hand, tells you that the site is bad, but gives you the option to proceed if you want.

obviously, given the fact that i know what this is, i want to proceed to it.

google chrome used to have a "proceed" button on it, as you will find if you search the net, but it has been removed in the latest version.

i also think, that brave is a lot nearer in interface to google chrome than it is to chrome edge.

yes, i have the latest version of both chrome browsers installed.

has anyone found a way to get to web sites that are invalid in either chrome edge or google chrome?

i would be interested to know how you did this, but for the moment, brave allows it.

pat

 


moderated Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

Dave Durber
 

Pat:
 
Internet Explorer allowed you to do that as well.
 
Dave
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

Hi,

 

i thought i would just throw this out there in case it helps someone.

i have just downloaded and installed the brave browser for the internet.

it is a verry slimmed down version of chrome or edge.

the one thing i liked about it, is that it allows you to proceed to web sites that are not recommended.

for example:

i have a nas storage device on my network, but it is that old, that the certificate is no longer valid.

even importing this certificate into my trusted route certifications store on my machine does not fix the problem.

both google chrome and chrome edge, just tell you that the site is bad, and thats all.

brave on the other hand, tells you that the site is bad, but gives you the option to proceed if you want.

obviously, given the fact that i know what this is, i want to proceed to it.

google chrome used to have a "proceed" button on it, as you will find if you search the net, but it has been removed in the latest version.

i also think, that brave is a lot nearer in interface to google chrome than it is to chrome edge.

yes, i have the latest version of both chrome browsers installed.

has anyone found a way to get to web sites that are invalid in either chrome edge or google chrome?

i would be interested to know how you did this, but for the moment, brave allows it.

pat

 


moderated Re: jaws with the brave explorer.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

i thought i would just throw this out there in case it helps someone.

i have just downloaded and installed the brave browser for the internet.

it is a verry slimmed down version of chrome or edge.

the one thing i liked about it, is that it allows you to proceed to web sites that are not recommended.

for example:

i have a nas storage device on my network, but it is that old, that the certificate is no longer valid.

even importing this certificate into my trusted route certifications store on my machine does not fix the problem.

both google chrome and chrome edge, just tell you that the site is bad, and thats all.

brave on the other hand, tells you that the site is bad, but gives you the option to proceed if you want.

obviously, given the fact that i know what this is, i want to proceed to it.

google chrome used to have a "proceed" button on it, as you will find if you search the net, but it has been removed in the latest version.

i also think, that brave is a lot nearer in interface to google chrome than it is to chrome edge.

yes, i have the latest version of both chrome browsers installed.

has anyone found a way to get to web sites that are invalid in either chrome edge or google chrome?

i would be interested to know how you did this, but for the moment, brave allows it.

pat

 


moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Dave Durber
 

Glen:
 
This is still the case in Windows 10.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Hi Pat,
In Linux, you can distinguish between capitals, but Windows makes no distinctions.
Unless windows has changed this with Windows 10.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2020 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Hi,

 

There is absolutely no way that two identical file names can exist in a single windows directory.

However, that being said:

You could have a file called jaws.exe and a file called JAWS.exe

Note, the second one is all capital letters.

However, even at that, you should be able to tell jaws, which app you are using. Even if the .exe file is called the same name, the app should be called something else.

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday 8 May 2020 15:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

And how can two file names be exactly the same? Do you have an example?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

Hello,

As many of you probably know, JAWS identifies individual applications by their file name. This method is used to load script filers, configurations and so on. However what if we have two applications with the same file name? A wrong scripts and configurations will be loaded leading to some serious errors!

My suggestion therefore is to use the manifest as the identifier of the individual application, and fallback to the file name only when strictly necessary (no Manifest  present).


moderated Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Dave Durber
 

Pat:
 
You cannot have 2 files in the same folder with the same name. This has always been the case, no matter what the operating system.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

Hi,

 

There is absolutely no way that two identical file names can exist in a single windows directory.

However, that being said:

You could have a file called jaws.exe and a file called JAWS.exe

Note, the second one is all capital letters.

However, even at that, you should be able to tell jaws, which app you are using. Even if the .exe file is called the same name, the app should be called something else.

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday 8 May 2020 15:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

And how can two file names be exactly the same? Do you have an example?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A powerful JAWS flaw I have found

 

Hello,

As many of you probably know, JAWS identifies individual applications by their file name. This method is used to load script filers, configurations and so on. However what if we have two applications with the same file name? A wrong scripts and configurations will be loaded leading to some serious errors!

My suggestion therefore is to use the manifest as the identifier of the individual application, and fallback to the file name only when strictly necessary (no Manifest  present).


moderated Capturing Both Video and Audio of my Computer for Videos

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi All

 

Does anyone know of accessible software to capture video of what’s  on the screen, while allowing the audio of my voice and JAWS to be heard. I like how Freedom Scientific does and I’d like to be able to do that for my own technology videos.

 

Thanks

Debbie

 

 

Thanks

Debbie


moderated Weird braille display issue

ann
 

Hi folks,


I am experiencing a weird and frustrating issue when writing emails using Thunderbird and the latest Jaws2020. My braille display is an Orbit Reader 20 Plus, and in all other editing writing situations, it works beautifully, even on Google Docs which can act weird for me sometimes. But each time I try and write an email message using it with Thunderbird, the lines get reversed. I press the Dot 8 key to produce a new line, which is produced, but when I start to type on the display, the typed characters appear at the very top of the message.


This does not happen with the same display and NVDA or Narrator and Thunderbird.


Is there some obscure Jaws braille setting I can play with to fix this problem? And, if it's a bug, to whom should I report it, Orbit research or Freedom Scientific (I know they've changed there name LOL).


Thanks for any suggestions. This is the only problem I am having with the orbit reader so far as a remote braille display.


~Ann


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

kevin meyers
 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Matzura
 

Actually you didn't have to uninstall. You could have changed the type of interface in the Settings dialog. Whoever told you to uninstall is obviously not familiar with the product they are being paid to support. Sad really.


On 5/8/2020 8:42 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?go to the point of creating the image

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

IFW is a Terabyte Unlimited product. A thirty-day free trial is offered. What about it did you not like, or would you change about it?

 

Narrator gets included when a certain initialization (.INI)file is edited before the recovery disk is created. It can be started manually I think, but this particular option will start it when the recovery disk is booted.

 

On 5/8/2020 6:44 PM, kevin meyers wrote:

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?



moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss