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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Its not a tool I need to know how to use, as it’s a tool build-in to the operating system, so your point is not valid here IMO, as I used much harder and advanced tools and they worked.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Yeah, files copied to non-existence with the File Hitsory. Thanks but no thanks.

Please do not make nonsense assertions.  Thanks.

If you don't know how to use a versioned backup utility that's really no one's fault but your own, but File History is as close to bulletproof as I've ever found, and the fact that it does versioned backups seamlessly, without having to buy anything, is nothing short of a small miracle.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Zoom issue

Bill White
 

Here's what it says while in the Zoom app after pressing INSERT plus H:

To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled, press
JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to Control+0
press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.

The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom issue

can you post where is the setting within Zoom where
applications like Jaws that interact with Zoom can be unmuted.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Justin Mcdevitt [mailto:jhmcdev@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 1:10 PM
Subject: Zoom issue
Hello group,

Yesterday I posted a message in whicdh I mentioned that on a number of
recent occasions, when I act ivate Zoom, I can no longer hear JAWS.
Earlier today, I learned that there is a setting within Zoom where
applications like  Jaws that interact with Zoom can be unmuted. It would
be g reat if this feature could be permanently set in  place as the
default. Has anyone used this feature?

I also contacted Freedom Scientific about this and was informed that
once I log into a Zoom meeting, to press Insert H where there are
opportunities to Unmute specific zoom elements.

Best, Justin


moderated Re: Zoom issue

Mario
 

can you post where is the setting within Zoom where
applications like Jaws that interact with Zoom can be unmuted.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Justin Mcdevitt [mailto:jhmcdev@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 1:10 PM
Subject: Zoom issue
Hello group,

Yesterday I posted a message in whicdh I mentioned that on a number of
recent occasions, when I act ivate Zoom, I can no longer hear JAWS.
Earlier today, I learned that there is a setting within Zoom where
applications like  Jaws that interact with Zoom can be unmuted. It would
be g reat if this feature could be permanently set in  place as the
default. Has anyone used this feature?

I also contacted Freedom Scientific about this and was informed that
once I log into a Zoom meeting, to press Insert H where there are
opportunities to Unmute specific zoom elements.

Best, Justin


moderated Re: Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

Adrian Spratt
 

Mike,

 

I notice you have a number of thoughtful responses. I’m wondering if what you’re looking for is the special paste command. Although I use special paste all the time, I haven’t done so for this purpose. Here’s how I’d try.

 

Open the old document in your version of Word.

Control-a to select all, control-c to copy.

Then create a new document and keep focus there.

Press control-alt-v. You will be shown a list of several format options. I choose unformatted so that the pasted copy will take your default format for newly created documents.

 

Apologies if I’m writing from left field.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:18 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

 

Hi All,

 

Running J16 thru J2020 With Window 7 & 10 and Office / Word 2010.  What can I do, or how do I set my default settings so that old documents will open and read using the updated settings of the, Normal.dotm?  Thanks much.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Chris Hill
 

I don't know if getting rid of older restore points is deliberate or just something that happens when system restore gets messed up.  Either way, I wouldn't count on it to do any more than undo something you just did.  It is good for today's disaster, but I wouldn't trust it on a disaster that happened a couple of weeks ago.



On 5/12/2020 09:51, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I don't know if it's different in windows 10, but I've noticed that in windows 7 that the operating system only keeps a few of the backup points and it bumps out older backup points.
Someone I know has tried using system restore only to find that he could not go back as far as he wanted to in restoring his system.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.
To each his or her own.  I'd rather gnaw off my own fingers than set myself up to have to reconfigure a machine and all its software after a drive failure.

I think I've had one restore in over 30 years not work, so your assertion about "too much to go wrong" just doesn't hold water in my professional experience.  If these suites were commonly problematic, they'd have died out long, long ago.  They're generally very slick, easy, and, most importantly, fast at getting a machine right back on its feet to precisely the state it was in when the full system image backup was taken.

That being said, you bring up another good point is that in addition to full system image backups, one should also be taking separate user data backups.  The File History utility in Windows 10 is an excellent tool for this.  Most backup & recovery suites also include a function strictly for user data rather than full system images as well.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated xps documents with JAWS?

Cher
 

Does anyone have experience with these? A friend is being assigned to access xps documents with JAWS and is having no success. Will much appreciate any help.

 

Cher

 

 


moderated I have some questions about running a groups.io list.

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

 

I apologize for asking this here, but I don’t know where else to do so. I’ve created an email list on groups.io. I can post messages, but that’s about it. How do I administer things, such as change the welcome message and how users are moderated. I tried to read the user guide, but it’s confusing. If you think it’s best, respond to me directly. My email address is

 

Kminor65@...

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

Kevin, Jilly and Valerie


moderated Zoom issue

Justin Mcdevitt
 

Hello group,

Yesterday I posted a message in whicdh I mentioned that on a number of  recent occasions, when I act ivate Zoom, I can no longer hear JAWS. Earlier today, I learned that there is a setting within Zoom where applications like  Jaws that interact with Zoom can be unmuted. It would be g reat if this feature could be permanently set in  place as the  default. Has anyone used this feature?

I also contacted Freedom Scientific about this and was informed that once I log into a Zoom meeting, to press Insert H where there are opportunities to Unmute specific zoom elements.

 

Best, Justin  


moderated Re: Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

Mike B
 


Okay, thank you very much.  I thought I had read somewhere that there was a way of doing this, but it was probably something I misunderstood.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

You can't.

Normal.dot or Normal.dotm in newer versions is what is used when creating a blank document from scratch.  You can also, after having done so, reconfigure virtually everything in that document to be different, font, size, color, etc., etc., etc.

Documents carry their own attributes with them once they have been created.  No reference is made to Normal.dot(m) for an existing document.  Whatever it is you want changed is going to have to be changed on a document-by-document basis (unless there's a utility I don't know about for doing so in batch - but even then it won't be via anything related to Normal.dot(m)).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:
Yeah, files copied to non-existence with the File Hitsory. Thanks but no thanks.
Please do not make nonsense assertions.  Thanks.

If you don't know how to use a versioned backup utility that's really no one's fault but your own, but File History is as close to bulletproof as I've ever found, and the fact that it does versioned backups seamlessly, without having to buy anything, is nothing short of a small miracle.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Chris Hill
 

I agree.  The last time I configured a machine, I came up with a list of at least two dozen things I needed to install and configure.  I guess starting over is fine if you just serf the web, I'd almost rather move house than have to do it.  Image for windows has never failed to restore an image for me.  I also keep the vast majority of my data on a separate drive than windows, I've been burned before.





On 5/12/2020 09:45, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.
To each his or her own.  I'd rather gnaw off my own fingers than set myself up to have to reconfigure a machine and all its software after a drive failure.

I think I've had one restore in over 30 years not work, so your assertion about "too much to go wrong" just doesn't hold water in my professional experience.  If these suites were commonly problematic, they'd have died out long, long ago.  They're generally very slick, easy, and, most importantly, fast at getting a machine right back on its feet to precisely the state it was in when the full system image backup was taken.

That being said, you bring up another good point is that in addition to full system image backups, one should also be taking separate user data backups.  The File History utility in Windows 10 is an excellent tool for this.  Most backup & recovery suites also include a function strictly for user data rather than full system images as well.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Yeah, files copied to non-existence with the File Hitsory. Thanks but no thanks. Of course I haven’t forgotten about you guys, I am getting my new audio equipment and then I will record the full-fledged IFW tutorial

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

System Protection (whether under Windows 7, 8.1, or 10) is NOT a backup and recovery utility in any meaningful sense.  And it has a long history, as Glenn has indicated, of being flaky, at best, for what it's supposed to be good for - rolling back a recent change like the installation of a single program.

It is not even in the same class as a true backup and recovery suite.  I keep it turned on for the sake of convenience so if I need to do a very simple rollback I can try it, but I long ago learned that one should never count on System Protection being a robust system that works each and every time, or even close to it.

That's one of the reasons, among many, that taking full system images and separate user data backups is essential.  And if the data is really, really critical, either taking multiple backups or immediately copying off the latest local one to remote storage, away from the source material, so it's available in the event of fire, flood, or other natural disaster.  That may be overkill for most home users, but even some of them do this to have as much insurance in the event of a need for recovery as they can get.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

System Protection (whether under Windows 7, 8.1, or 10) is NOT a backup and recovery utility in any meaningful sense.  And it has a long history, as Glenn has indicated, of being flaky, at best, for what it's supposed to be good for - rolling back a recent change like the installation of a single program.

It is not even in the same class as a true backup and recovery suite.  I keep it turned on for the sake of convenience so if I need to do a very simple rollback I can try it, but I long ago learned that one should never count on System Protection being a robust system that works each and every time, or even close to it.

That's one of the reasons, among many, that taking full system images and separate user data backups is essential.  And if the data is really, really critical, either taking multiple backups or immediately copying off the latest local one to remote storage, away from the source material, so it's available in the event of fire, flood, or other natural disaster.  That may be overkill for most home users, but even some of them do this to have as much insurance in the event of a need for recovery as they can get.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Glenn / Lenny
 


I don't know if it's different in windows 10, but I've noticed that in windows 7 that the operating system only keeps a few of the backup points and it bumps out older backup points.
Someone I know has tried using system restore only to find that he could not go back as far as he wanted to in restoring his system.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.
To each his or her own.  I'd rather gnaw off my own fingers than set myself up to have to reconfigure a machine and all its software after a drive failure.

I think I've had one restore in over 30 years not work, so your assertion about "too much to go wrong" just doesn't hold water in my professional experience.  If these suites were commonly problematic, they'd have died out long, long ago.  They're generally very slick, easy, and, most importantly, fast at getting a machine right back on its feet to precisely the state it was in when the full system image backup was taken.

That being said, you bring up another good point is that in addition to full system image backups, one should also be taking separate user data backups.  The File History utility in Windows 10 is an excellent tool for this.  Most backup & recovery suites also include a function strictly for user data rather than full system images as well.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

 

You can't.

Normal.dot or Normal.dotm in newer versions is what is used when creating a blank document from scratch.  You can also, after having done so, reconfigure virtually everything in that document to be different, font, size, color, etc., etc., etc.

Documents carry their own attributes with them once they have been created.  No reference is made to Normal.dot(m) for an existing document.  Whatever it is you want changed is going to have to be changed on a document-by-document basis (unless there's a utility I don't know about for doing so in batch - but even then it won't be via anything related to Normal.dot(m)).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.
To each his or her own.  I'd rather gnaw off my own fingers than set myself up to have to reconfigure a machine and all its software after a drive failure.

I think I've had one restore in over 30 years not work, so your assertion about "too much to go wrong" just doesn't hold water in my professional experience.  If these suites were commonly problematic, they'd have died out long, long ago.  They're generally very slick, easy, and, most importantly, fast at getting a machine right back on its feet to precisely the state it was in when the full system image backup was taken.

That being said, you bring up another good point is that in addition to full system image backups, one should also be taking separate user data backups.  The File History utility in Windows 10 is an excellent tool for this.  Most backup & recovery suites also include a function strictly for user data rather than full system images as well.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Huawei B535

Shai
 

Hello,
I have not tried this particular router. I just set up a Nighthawk and
I found the interface to be somewhat problematic until I learned that
pressing enter will allow one to navigate around elements with JAWS
that do not have links. Also, some items are further down the page
than would be expected after pressing enter. Once I discovered this,
there had not been an issue in setting it up.

On 5/11/20, Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@...> wrote:
Hi.
have you tried the Huawei B535 with jaws?
I didn't like the interface so I bought a new router.
But I got problem with the nighthawk I wroute about earlier.
I think that the router I have works, but I can't use it at all.


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Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934




moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

 

I usually reset my PC and reinstall apps.  I can back up my personal data just using Windows, but since resetting a Windows 10 PC is now accessible completely, that’s what I do.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 May 2020 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I would suggest those really interested in what's being discussed also look at the following two recent topics on other groups:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/73315213

Windows PE ISO file with NVDA installed
, specifically message, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73144, if you're looking to source versions of WinPE with NVDA built in.  The EXE files were created using Rufus based on what the original poster said to me when I asked.

For myself, I would not rely on any ZIP utility as my primary system image backup.  There is a reason that system image backup and recovery utilities, and many of them, exist to make the process easier and far more foolproof.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Word 2010 Opening Old Documents

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
Running J16 thru J2020 With Window 7 & 10 and Office / Word 2010.  What can I do, or how do I set my default settings so that old documents will open and read using the updated settings of the, Normal.dotm?  Thanks much.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Marty Hutchings
 

Kevin,  Did you get an answer to your question? 
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out
 

I think my sound card is part of the mother board. Is then even possible to add a second sound card?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

I use 2 sound cards all the time

 

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Next time, try this hotkey:

  • Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls

As a host, it lands you on the end meeting button.

I suspect as a participant, it should land you on the leave meeting button.

This is where a braille display would help a lot.

 

I suppose you could try using two sound cards, but that is something I’ve never done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

When I tabbed while in Zoom Jaws didn’t say anything. I had the volume turned all the way up as it was a virtual spin class. When class was over the instructor and other were still talking. Since the volume was so loud I couldn’t hear Jaws very well. I did press control, alt and delete to bring up task manager and once again because the volume was up and people were still talking I couldn’t tell if task manager was open. Even it was I wouldn’t been able to kill the zoom session as I couldn’t tell which task it was. Iwonderif there is a way to route Jaws to one speaker and the Zoom meeting to the other speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws 2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin