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moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Michael Amaro
 

I use 2 sound cards all the time

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Next time, try this hotkey:

  • Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls

As a host, it lands you on the end meeting button.

I suspect as a participant, it should land you on the leave meeting button.

This is where a braille display would help a lot.

 

I suppose you could try using two sound cards, but that is something I’ve never done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

When I tabbed while in Zoom Jaws didn’t say anything. I had the volume turned all the way up as it was a virtual spin class. When class was over the instructor and other were still talking. Since the volume was so loud I couldn’t hear Jaws very well. I did press control, alt and delete to bring up task manager and once again because the volume was up and people were still talking I couldn’t tell if task manager was open. Even it was I wouldn’t been able to kill the zoom session as I couldn’t tell which task it was. Iwonderif there is a way to route Jaws to one speaker and the Zoom meeting to the other speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Marty Hutchings
 

Kevin,  You need another sound card or a USB sound adapter that you can plug in headphones to hear JAWS.
This will also keep JAWS out of your Zoom meeting audio.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out
 

When I tabbed while in Zoom Jaws didn’t say anything. I had the volume turned all the way up as it was a virtual spin class. When class was over the instructor and other were still talking. Since the volume was so loud I couldn’t hear Jaws very well. I did press control, alt and delete to bring up task manager and once again because the volume was up and people were still talking I couldn’t tell if task manager was open. Even it was I wouldn’t been able to kill the zoom session as I couldn’t tell which task it was. Iwonderif there is a way to route Jaws to one speaker and the Zoom meeting to the other speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

Cory McMahon
 

Thanks so much. I'll check it out.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

I've had odd things happen as a result of Windows updates regarding JAWS and the headphone output on one of my computers. Among things that have already been mentioned, check what sound card JAWS thinks it's using. On my system I have to set it to use something called "Speakers (external)". When I plug 'phones in, they work. There's also a speaker inside the computer. If I select that one--"speakers (internal)"--and plug 'phones in, nothing happens. It depends not just on what JAWS is set to use, but also what Windows thinks is its default audio device.
That can be found in Settings (Windows Key + I), type "sound" and press down-arrow until you hear "Sound settings," then tab through the dialog to discover how your system is set.


On 5/9/2020 9:11 PM, Cory McMahon wrote:
I’m using windows 10.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Richard Turner
 

Next time, try this hotkey:

  • Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls

As a host, it lands you on the end meeting button.

I suspect as a participant, it should land you on the leave meeting button.

This is where a braille display would help a lot.

 

I suppose you could try using two sound cards, but that is something I’ve never done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

When I tabbed while in Zoom Jaws didn’t say anything. I had the volume turned all the way up as it was a virtual spin class. When class was over the instructor and other were still talking. Since the volume was so loud I couldn’t hear Jaws very well. I did press control, alt and delete to bring up task manager and once again because the volume was up and people were still talking I couldn’t tell if task manager was open. Even it was I wouldn’t been able to kill the zoom session as I couldn’t tell which task it was. Iwonderif there is a way to route Jaws to one speaker and the Zoom meeting to the other speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Steve Matzura
 

Pressing Alt + F4 displays a dialog that contains, among other things, a "Leave meeting" button. Activate that, then you can shut Zoom down. Realize, too, that closing the Zoom window with another Alt + F4 doesn't actually shut anything down; it just sends it to the system tray. If you really want Zoom gone from memory, that has to be done by selecting "Exit" from Zoom's system tray menu.


On 5/10/2020 11:32 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I think you need to leave the meeting before you close Zoom

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: 10 May 2020 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin



moderated Re: Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

Steve Matzura
 

I've had odd things happen as a result of Windows updates regarding JAWS and the headphone output on one of my computers. Among things that have already been mentioned, check what sound card JAWS thinks it's using. On my system I have to set it to use something called "Speakers (external)". When I plug 'phones in, they work. There's also a speaker inside the computer. If I select that one--"speakers (internal)"--and plug 'phones in, nothing happens. It depends not just on what JAWS is set to use, but also what Windows thinks is its default audio device. That can be found in Settings (Windows Key + I), type "sound" and press down-arrow until you hear "Sound settings," then tab through the dialog to discover how your system is set.

On 5/9/2020 9:11 PM, Cory McMahon wrote:
I’m using windows 10.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

kevin meyers
 

When I tabbed while in Zoom Jaws didn’t say anything. I had the volume turned all the way up as it was a virtual spin class. When class was over the instructor and other were still talking. Since the volume was so loud I couldn’t hear Jaws very well. I did press control, alt and delete to bring up task manager and once again because the volume was up and people were still talking I couldn’t tell if task manager was open. Even it was I wouldn’t been able to kill the zoom session as I couldn’t tell which task it was. Iwonderif there is a way to route Jaws to one speaker and the Zoom meeting to the other speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

Cory McMahon
 

I’m using windows 10.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon



On May 9, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Armando Vias <avias@...> wrote:

Did you tried restarting your computer? What windows operating system are you using?

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On May 9, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Cory McMahon <cory.j.mcmahon@...> wrote:



Good afternoon, all:

 

Last night, all of a sudden, JAWS 2018 stopped talking when I have my headphones on; I switched out the headphones; however, that did not resolve the issue. It’s also worth nnoting that there’s still audio coming out of the headphones because, when I go to turn-up/down the volume, I can hear the “ping” sound whenever I slide the volume up or down.

 

I hope this description of the issue makes sense, and I thank-you in advance for any assistance one can offer.

 

Sincerely,

 

Cory McMahon


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

CJ &AA MAY
 

I think you need to leave the meeting before you close Zoom

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: 10 May 2020 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Zoom and unable to close out

Richard Turner
 

Did you try to just close zoom, or did you click on the Leave meeting button?

My guess is you tried to close out without leaving the meeting, thus left yourself hung up in the meeting.

If that isn’t what happened, the only other thing I would have tried was using Task Manager to end the Zoom task.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Zoom and unable to close out

 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Zoom and unable to close out

kevin meyers
 

Hello, I’m using most recent version of Jaws2020, windows and zoom. The other day I was on a Zoom call and when I tried to close out, Jaws was unable to read anything. I pressed alt F4 and still couldn’t get out of it. I pressed alt tab and nothing happen. I could still hear the people still on the call talking. The only thing I could do is a hard shut down. When I did this I heard a buzzing noise until the PC was shut down. What could have caused not being able to end call? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

I do not know but if you are using Image for Windows, the latest version, you will get Narrator when you use the IFW program to create a IFW recovery  disk.  You get the choice to create a recovery DVD or a recovery flash drive.  Both are bootable. 

There are actually several other options for bootable external media, but I haven’t messed with any of that.  It took me long enough to kind of stumble through making my bootable recovery thumb drive.

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Does the microsoft version of the win pe include a working copy of narator in the recovery mode?

Thanks

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, 10 May, 2020 03:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

I am pretty sure that I went with traditional.  Its been a while.  I do remember not changing any global options.

 

Yep, there were loads of questions that I did not know how to answer during the installation.  I think I remember trying to use what appeared to just be the default settings.

 

I’m not sure about what you mean when you use the acronym IFP.  But, in the Image for Windows settings, you can go with the default settings and be OK with just two or three changes.

 

I think Jaws will read more of the check boxes in settings if you check the accessible check box.  I always check the completion alarm so I know when the entire process has finished.  I always always, check the verification and the byte per byte verification check boxes.  But, these show up as a plus sign to show you that these settings were added.

 

There is more than one place in the IFW menus where you get the option to create an IFW recovery boot disk.  One place is in the Windows start menu within the Terabyte folder.

 

I’m Still wishing good luck for all who are developing an image backup game plan.

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

James,

 

I uninstalled it again and reinstalled it. This time it works. Must have donething wrong.

 

There are some options I have no idea what to do with. Did you install simple or traditional version? Then when I ran the IFP there were more things I didn’t know what to do with. There was two screens with global options. I just left these alone.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

William Vandervest
 

Does the microsoft version of the win pe include a working copy of narator in the recovery mode?

Thanks

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, 10 May, 2020 03:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

I am pretty sure that I went with traditional.  Its been a while.  I do remember not changing any global options.

 

Yep, there were loads of questions that I did not know how to answer during the installation.  I think I remember trying to use what appeared to just be the default settings.

 

I’m not sure about what you mean when you use the acronym IFP.  But, in the Image for Windows settings, you can go with the default settings and be OK with just two or three changes.

 

I think Jaws will read more of the check boxes in settings if you check the accessible check box.  I always check the completion alarm so I know when the entire process has finished.  I always always, check the verification and the byte per byte verification check boxes.  But, these show up as a plus sign to show you that these settings were added.

 

There is more than one place in the IFW menus where you get the option to create an IFW recovery boot disk.  One place is in the Windows start menu within the Terabyte folder.

 

I’m Still wishing good luck for all who are developing an image backup game plan.

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

James,

 

I uninstalled it again and reinstalled it. This time it works. Must have donething wrong.

 

There are some options I have no idea what to do with. Did you install simple or traditional version? Then when I ran the IFP there were more things I didn’t know what to do with. There was two screens with global options. I just left these alone.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hi Kevin,

 

I am pretty sure that I went with traditional.  Its been a while.  I do remember not changing any global options.

 

Yep, there were loads of questions that I did not know how to answer during the installation.  I think I remember trying to use what appeared to just be the default settings.

 

I’m not sure about what you mean when you use the acronym IFP.  But, in the Image for Windows settings, you can go with the default settings and be OK with just two or three changes.

 

I think Jaws will read more of the check boxes in settings if you check the accessible check box.  I always check the completion alarm so I know when the entire process has finished.  I always always, check the verification and the byte per byte verification check boxes.  But, these show up as a plus sign to show you that these settings were added.

 

There is more than one place in the IFW menus where you get the option to create an IFW recovery boot disk.  One place is in the Windows start menu within the Terabyte folder.

 

I’m Still wishing good luck for all who are developing an image backup game plan.

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

James,

 

I uninstalled it again and reinstalled it. This time it works. Must have donething wrong.

 

There are some options I have no idea what to do with. Did you install simple or traditional version? Then when I ran the IFP there were more things I didn’t know what to do with. There was two screens with global options. I just left these alone.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Sorry that you are having some problems installing Image for Windows.  Since I do not know an answer, I suggest two options.

 

First, I would consider trying IFW tech support again.  I think you received a wrong answer the last time that you tried tech support but you might get lucky with a different person.

 

Second, there still may be members on this list who can offer a possible solution to assist you in installing Image for Windows.

 

Hope you have the best of luck,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I did do the 30 day trial. Ran into some problems.

 

Here is what happen. Now I can no longer try out the trial.

 

I installed it and realized I need to install the traditional option. Support at TeraByte told me I  could uninstall and reinstall. I did that and when I started the software it asked me to purchase, cancel. I used the Jaws cursor and found continued was unavailable. I told support that and was told to click on continue. I knew that wouldn’t work. I tried it any and it didn’t work. Told support and they have not gotten back to me. There has only been 1 day since the download. Not 30 days. Now what?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi,

 

You can download a 30-day trial version of Image for Windows (The TeraByte Unlimited :: TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite)  at the link below. 

 

To download, click on the link that says something like 30-day trial GUI.  Note, GUI stands for graphical user interface. 

 

 

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm

 

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Okay, IFW is talked about. When looking on the internet there are muultiple sites that provide the software. Well at least that is what I find. Does anyone have a suggestion of which site would be the best? I did try TeraByte and I didn’t like it.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I, for one, would appreciate a bsic tutorial from installing the software to doing a system backup, which I gather automatically includes Narrator for restoring, is that correct?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

No, it was quick and painless. I have unchecked the components I know I wont need. If there’s a need for such a tutorial,. I am more than happy to help

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That was quick.  It took me forever to learn just enough to backup and recover my laptops.

 

As you become more acquainted with the complexities of IFW, maybe you will share what you have discovered.

 

Did you have any problems with the multitude of questions ask during installation?

 

Congratulations,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I actually like IFW and I gained understanding of the software just some minutes after starting to use it, so I can try and record a solution.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings to Cihan Yazici  and list,

 

I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows.  However, I do not.

 

IFW is extremely complicated for me.  Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills.  I have tried to share as many tips as possible and  Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello friends;

 

I have reviewed the program you suggested.

I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many.

I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us?

I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least.

love to all of you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Jaws And Outlook Auto Fill Sounds

CJ &AA MAY
 

I am using the latest version of Jaws, Windows 10 and Office 365 (or Microsoft 365 as it now seems to want to be known by) and this feature does work, but not consistently.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoff Connor
Sent: 09 May 2020 17:03
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws And Outlook Auto Fill Sounds

 

Hi all.

I am using the latest version of Jaws 2020 and Outlook 2016 Home and Business on 2 windows 10 computers. When I go to send a message, the sounds that are supposed to play when the auto fill opens and closes are not sounding. My Microsoft sounds are turned on, and the other day, I talked to both Microsoft disability and Freedom Scientific. I had no luck. This feature has never worked for me. If anyone has any suggestion, it would be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Geoff


moderated Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

David Goldfield
 

By remote support are you referring to the JAWS Tandem feature?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/10/2020 1:44 AM, Cornelius wrote:

I tried, but it is not available in Windows Services. I really wish we could choose not to install remote support for home licence.


-----Original Message----- From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

Did you try going to services and disableing it there?

On 5/3/2020 4:34 AM, Cornelius wrote:

Hi all,
Regarding the latest update to JAWS2020, I found out there is an extra tasks called RemoteSupportUI running on task manager.
There is no option to set it to not run, and running extra tasks like that for someone who does not, and will not use remote support on a JAWS Home licence is a waste of resources, not to mention that JAWS has already have so many tasks needed to run.

I am still hopeful that one day there will be a way to trim the features of JAWS during installationand remove those extras that not everyone need.







moderated Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

Cornelius
 

I tried, but it is not available in Windows Services. I really wish we could choose not to install remote support for home licence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

Did you try going to services and disableing it there?

On 5/3/2020 4:34 AM, Cornelius wrote:

Hi all,
Regarding the latest update to JAWS2020, I found out there is an extra tasks called RemoteSupportUI running on task manager.
There is no option to set it to not run, and running extra tasks like that for someone who does not, and will not use remote support on a JAWS Home licence is a waste of resources, not to mention that JAWS has already have so many tasks needed to run.

I am still hopeful that one day there will be a way to trim the features of JAWS during installationand remove those extras that not everyone need.




moderated Re: Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

Armando Vias
 

Did you tried restarting your computer? What windows operating system are you using?

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On May 9, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Cory McMahon <cory.j.mcmahon@...> wrote:



Good afternoon, all:

 

Last night, all of a sudden, JAWS 2018 stopped talking when I have my headphones on; I switched out the headphones; however, that did not resolve the issue. It’s also worth nnoting that there’s still audio coming out of the headphones because, when I go to turn-up/down the volume, I can hear the “ping” sound whenever I slide the volume up or down.

 

I hope this description of the issue makes sense, and I thank-you in advance for any assistance one can offer.

 

Sincerely,

 

Cory McMahon


moderated Jaws 2018 and not working with headphones

Cory McMahon
 

Good afternoon, all:

 

Last night, all of a sudden, JAWS 2018 stopped talking when I have my headphones on; I switched out the headphones; however, that did not resolve the issue. It’s also worth nnoting that there’s still audio coming out of the headphones because, when I go to turn-up/down the volume, I can hear the “ping” sound whenever I slide the volume up or down.

 

I hope this description of the issue makes sense, and I thank-you in advance for any assistance one can offer.

 

Sincerely,

 

Cory McMahon


moderated Re: sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

Glenn / Lenny
 


This may slow down the reaction of one's synth, if you listen with a fairly slow speed, perhaps it won't be noticed, but if you like it on the faster side, it may be noticed.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Leo
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 5:31 PM
Subject: sharing phonemic dictionary for eloquence

    Hello my fellow jaws users:

As some of you may remember, I’ve been asking for weeks how to improve the pronunciation of jaws. Particularly, I wanted to do it for eloquence because it’s the synth the I mostly use on a daily basis, and taking into account that I’m not a native English speaker, it was totally inconvenient for me to continue to listen mispronounced words.

 

Now I bring you a dictionary for eloquence that solves many pronunciation issues when using American English voices. It is not remotely similar to the user’s dictionary, which I think it’s OK for some instances, but for most cases inadequate.

The master mind behind this phonemic dictionary is Amir Soleimani, who started building this dictionary many years ago for other software.

This phonemic dictionary contains more than twenty-two thousand entries, and Amir regularly introduces changes and

New words.

Here are some words in which you can easily perceive a significant difference before and after adding the dictionary, so pay close attention now, and when you have finished the process, returned up to this point and listen again!

hermaphroditus 

 

cyberphobia       

 

semitone   

 

                                      

kurzweil   

 

insincere   

 

and one of my favorites,

 

voila!

 

Let’s cut to the chase!

A couple of notes before the steps:

If you are using the eloquence synth, switch to another synth.

The dictionary file is attached to this E-mail, all you have to do is to download the compressed file and unzip it.

 

1.    Assuming you have a 64 bit machine, go to the following folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.Copy the file called “ELOQMAIN.DCT,” and paste it in a safe location, in other words, back it up.

2.    Copy the file that was left after unzipping, which has the same name of the file that you just put in a safe location, and paste it in the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1. If windows asks for confirmation, go ahead and replace the existing file.

You’re all set!

Relaunch jaws, switch to eloquence, and try out the pronunciation of the words above.

In a 32 bit machine, the process should be similar except for the name of the folder program files, but I don’t own a 32 bit machine.

 

Notice that all we did was to replace the existing file; however, the new file already contains all the entries.

Notice that this is not the jaws user’s dictionary (.JDF file) so, it shouldn’t conflict with it, but in any case, that’s why you must make a backup of that file.

 

 

 

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo