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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Gudrun Brunot
 

Excellent idea, Maria. Anyone versed in petition starting?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Yeah. Let's start a petition.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 11/1/2016 3:25 PM, Gudrun Brunot wrote:
Can't we do anything to prevent that! Losing Eloquence would be disastrous! Talk about gratuitously and misguidedly removing something that works!



Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all
the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set
Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com




Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Pat Seed
 

I liked Votrex as well. However, there were some punctuation marks, like the exclamation point, that would make it throw out everything.
I may, I think, even still have it around here somewhere.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gudrun Brunot" <gbrunot@centurylink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices


I actually liked Votrax. It brings back fond memories. It was at that time the clearest sounding synthesizer, I think. I like how unassuming it seemed in its approach... Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

That Cadillac must have been the stand-alone DecTalk. It was good, but it should have been. The old Votrax plug-in board had its own little demo--pretty entertaining the first 500 times. That board could do a lot, and had customizable pronunciation. Trouble was the pronunciation exceptions could not port over to the screenreader. For 5 and a half years, I was known as Teddy Daavid Lissle. Actually David had a short a, not a broad one, but I can't reproduce it. Lisle (pronounced Lile) I can understand, JAWS needs help on that too, but David?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove eloquence, is because it will become less appealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

 

I had the Accent hardware synthesizer when I got my first computer with Jaws in 1989, it was an internal card, not an external synthesizer.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think they're better. I remember the first one I had was called Double Talk, and it came with Vocal Eyes for WordPerfect 5.1 back in the early 90's. The guy from G.W. Micro that came down to Houston from Dallas and installed, was pretty perplexed, when he could see how little I knew about computers, yet was on a job, expected to maintain quality production. The Lord was with me, is all I can say.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Gudrun Brunot
 

I actually liked Votrax. It brings back fond memories. It was at that time the clearest sounding synthesizer, I think. I like how unassuming it seemed in its approach... Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

That Cadillac must have been the stand-alone DecTalk. It was good, but it should have been. The old Votrax plug-in board had its own little demo--pretty entertaining the first 500 times. That board could do a lot, and had customizable pronunciation. Trouble was the pronunciation exceptions could not port over to the screenreader. For 5 and a half years, I was known as Teddy Daavid Lissle. Actually David had a short a, not a broad one, but I can't reproduce it. Lisle (pronounced Lile) I can understand, JAWS needs help on that too, but David?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove eloquence, is because it will become less appealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: "Find" command and upgrading Jaws

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

You can repeat the find command simply by pressing shift and the F4 key.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Elaine Young <hidden_spring@juno.com> wrote:

Hi,

I am still on the elementary level of using Jaws and find this thread interesting. Thanks to all of you I now know the alternative ways to get to "find". But unless I am missing something, the benefit of using control plus f is that is the only "find" that locates all the words in the document that you are looking for and enables you to go from one to the next one. Is that correct? Or is there a way to travel through the selections when using the other two ways to go to find?


I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 17.


Also it was my understanding that if you wanted to upgrade through several versions of Jaws, the maximum FS would charge you is $400. But according to what some of you are saying, my information must be incorrect????


Elaine


On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Thanks, I agree that Control+H with Alt+D gets you where you want to be.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word


How about using control+ h followed by alt + D?
I have not used control + f for "find" in Word since Word 2003.
The two keystroke approach (above) gives one the nice find feature of Word 2003, not the awkward "find" feature with control + f.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

I am seeing this as well.
Office 365, Windows 10, and of course JFW 18

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Steve Griffiths <steve.griffiths@guidedogs.org.uk> wrote:

A few people have commented that JAWS 18 doesn't work well with the Find feature in Word on their computer. Here is how it was originally put:

Start snippet:
Using Word 2010 and Jaws 18 I can no longer use Ctrl-F to activate the find command in a document. It appears to allow one search then nothing happens.
I can still access find using Alt-H, f, d but that is a bit tedious!!
When I stop Jaws 18 and start Jaws 17 the problem goes away and I can use Ctrl-F no problem.
End snippet:

I and at least one other person find the same in Word 2016. Anyone else finding this?

Thanks,
Steve




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"Find" command and upgrading Jaws

Elaine Young <hidden_spring@...>
 

Hi,

I am still on the elementary level of using Jaws and find this thread interesting. Thanks to all of you I now know the alternative ways to get to "find". But unless I am missing something, the benefit of using control plus f is that is the only "find" that locates all the words in the document that you are looking for and enables you to go from one to the next one. Is that correct? Or is there a way to travel through the selections when using the other two ways to go to find?


I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 17.


Also it was my understanding that if you wanted to upgrade through several versions of Jaws, the maximum FS would charge you is $400. But according to what some of you are saying, my information must be incorrect????


Elaine

On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Thanks, I agree that Control+H with Alt+D gets you where you want to be.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word


How about using control+ h followed by alt + D?
I have not used control + f for "find" in Word since Word 2003.
The two keystroke approach (above) gives one the nice find feature of Word 2003, not the awkward "find" feature with control + f.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 possible problem in Word

I am seeing this as well.
Office 365, Windows 10, and of course JFW 18

On Nov 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Steve Griffiths <steve.griffiths@guidedogs.org.uk> wrote:

A few people have commented that JAWS 18 doesn't work well with the Find feature in Word on their computer. Here is how it was originally put:

Start snippet:
Using Word 2010 and Jaws 18 I can no longer use Ctrl-F to activate the find command in a document. It appears to allow one search then nothing happens.
I can still access find using Alt-H, f, d but that is a bit tedious!!
When I stop Jaws 18 and start Jaws 17 the problem goes away and I can use Ctrl-F no problem.
End snippet:

I and at least one other person find the same in Word 2016. Anyone else finding this?

Thanks,
Steve




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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

 

I totally agree when it comes to reading books there is nothing that can beat a human reader. I mentioned before that Alexa sounds amazing on the Amazon Echo, but as far as I am concerned it will be a very long time before somebody comes out with a voice that beats a reading by the likes of Scott Brick, Dick Hill, Ron McLardy etc. When I read a novel I do so for pleasure and not to get it over with as fast as possible.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading a
Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound as
good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service, but
I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific things.
Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with constantly
changing material, I guess they're not there yet with that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the
name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Jason White
 

Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
Younger people are more used to devices that have natural sounding
voices, so are more likely to choose such a voice from the outset.

Some of us who have been using speech synthesis since the 1980s have the same
preference - it isn't restricted to newcomers.

I used DECTALK extensively for many years, which in my judgment is better than
Eloquence. However, speech synthesis has improved since the days of DECTALK
and Eloquence, both in voice quality and in pronunciation accuracy. Vocalizer
Expressive is a good example of what we now have.

I notice that, for example, if I'm reading through an e-mail message list, the
new version of Vocalizer Expressive interrupts and resumes much more
responsively than the old version did.

I also use braille displays intensively, so I don't rely on the speech in the
way that some people on this list do.


Re: V 18 disapointment

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Sieghard,

I think FS is on the wrong side of that approach. A lot of people cannot attend conventions. They should also receive the discount. And the first year they did it, those attending the NFB conventiongot a larger discount. I know it was in celebration of their 75th anniversary, but that still smacks of partisan preference, in my opinion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

There is always the option to pay for going to one of the big conventions in the US where this year and I think also last year and maybe the year before Freedom Scientific was offering smoking deals for SMA’s and for people to upgrade from versions that were several builts back to the most current. Of course by the time you add all the travel costs you may end up paying the same depending on how far you have to travel to attend one of these conventions, but at least you do get to see maybe a bunch of other neat stuff and meat people.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Alan,



Given that he is still using JAWS 13, it looks like Richard is either out $600 for three unused SMA renewals, or will soon be at the same price point for purchasing a brand-new copy of JAWS. I think it's moot at this point.



Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer





----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins <mailto:alan1057@me.com>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 06:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment



Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com <mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> > wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7. Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions. Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented. What a racket indeed : (

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: V 18 disapointment

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: V 18 disapointment

Cristóbal
 

And if you’re running the home version which I would venture to guess that most  of us are, you’re talking something like $5.00 a month  if you break it down.

I’m not particularly happy with  this upgrade that ate up my last SMA, but Jaws has made a huge difference for me. Especially with the increased multi-lingual support. $5.00 a month is a Pandora subscription or  one less  Starbucks/Jamba  Juice  run a month. Even  the Pro version which I had for  many years before downgrading still was tolerable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.

 

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment

 

Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune


On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

We get set in our ways, if we don't want to give something, at least a try, so are some young and set in their ways?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I see your point, but I don't think it's just a matter of age and what you're used to: If something works better (Eloquence for quickly getting exact speech with natural word flow), I think discerning young blind users would see a clear advantage with that. There are times when we don't want to get used to something, because it simply doesn't do what we want as well. There are times when there IS, actually a best way, rather than a million equally good ones. I actually don't think Eloquence sounds robotic. Pin-striped, no-nonsense, is how I feel about it.

Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Younger people are more used to devices that have natural sounding voices, so are more likely to choose such a voice from the outset.
And I have found it extremely difficult to change voices once used to a particular sound.

I have even found it difficult to adjust to changes in the same voice (for example, an update to the bookport plus software installs a different version of the Samantha voice with a few differences in pronunciation, it took me over a year before I was no longer noticing every time one of those differences was encountered).

On 11/1/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference
for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: V 18 disapointment

Melissa Stott
 

This is why I would much rather pay every 2 years than to wait several upgrades later.
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: V 18 disapointment
 
Richard,
The only problem with what you are doing is come the day that you have to upgrade jaws and or your operating system, and that day will come, it is going to cost you a fortune

On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:02, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I must add to this discussion that I am "still" on JAWS 13 and Windows 7.  Frankly, I have seen nothing really worthwhile in any of the upgrades of either JAWS or Windows since these versions.  Most of the so-called "improvements" in JAWS are nothing more than fixes of things that did not work correctly or the addition of things that should have been there all along; like the mouse announcement thing now (finally) in v. 18, as others have commented.  What a racket indeed : (

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: V 18 disapointment

 

I just got the official e-mail announcing Jaws 18. Disappointed! Doesn’t sound like there is anything improved or new that I will use. Won’t upgrade anytime soon!


Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Yep, I used a homemade version known as LiteTalk (same board, different case), produced by The Kentucky Department for the blind. I'm looking at one right now, but the battery is as dead as a hammer.

ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think they're better. I remember the first one I had was called Double Talk, and it came with Vocal Eyes for WordPerfect 5.1 back in the early 90's. The guy from G.W. Micro that came down to Houston from Dallas and installed, was pretty perplexed, when he could see how little I knew about computers, yet was on a job, expected to maintain quality production. The Lord was with me, is all I can say.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mcginnis, Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Before Eloquence, we used an external voice synthesizer. This incurred an additional expense because it was another piece of hardware. The price of voice synthesizer was from about $400 for the Ford and about $1500 for the Cadillac. When JAWS started loading Eloquence with the software, the external voice synthesizer was for all intents and purposes left by the wayside. The synthesizers have only gotten better as the years have gone by.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

How about waiting until VFO (as a ham, I can't get over that name) says something. This is pure speculation.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Yeah. Let's start a petition.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 11/1/2016 3:25 PM, Gudrun Brunot wrote:
Can't we do anything to prevent that! Losing Eloquence would be disastrous! Talk about gratuitously and misguidedly removing something that works!



Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all
the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set
Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.
On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.
Thanks in advance, Keith















































--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com




Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I remember the early Eloquence group; they were all pretty bad. I don't recall which release saw the big improvement (I think they first appeared in 3), but it definitely got better. Even the females got better, although some can still grate (a slightly adjusted 'shelly is the best of the lot, with Sandy the worst. If you turn down Sandy's pitch, she sounds like shelly, so why not use Shelly?

One odd thing, though, and maybe this shows my origin, the word ma'am. Some of you probably just heard a glottal, sort of gh sound on that simple word. Where I come from, we use that contraction a lot. I had to spell it mam to make it sound right, but the original Eloquence nailed it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Younger people are more used to devices that have natural sounding voices, so are more likely to choose such a voice from the outset.
And I have found it extremely difficult to change voices once used to a particular sound.

I have even found it difficult to adjust to changes in the same voice (for example, an update to the bookport plus software installs a different version of the Samantha voice with a few differences in pronunciation, it took me over a year before I was no longer noticing every time one of those differences was encountered).

On 11/1/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference
for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Some talking books, I simply cannot read because of the reader. My husband was a printer, and it makes sense to him that the reader would make such a difference, as he says it would be like type face in print.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

You're right about the word flow being superior in Eloquence. I use that even for reading books. Because of its "businesslike," dry delivery, it doesn't interfere with how I imagine the characters would actually speak. Eloquence is a narrator that never drives me batty, like some talking book readers. I still sadly remember one particularly awful female voice that ruined a volume of Daphne du Maurier short stories. Her name was Diane something, I believe. You'll find her if you request "Don't Look Now" from the Talking book library, should you feel particularly masochistic... (shrug and grin)


Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 6:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

One thing about Eloquence is that even though it doesn't sound human, the words flow together a bit more naturally at times. Vocalizer's voices sound better to me, but sometimes it sounds like sounds are being spliced together like how they do on old commercials when they splice together speech from a dead celebrity to make him say the product name.

On 11/1/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm more
efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in
a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the
name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying Glenn.
I
keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded like
they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith






































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That makes good sense.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Younger people are more used to devices that have natural sounding voices, so are more likely to choose such a voice from the outset.
And I have found it extremely difficult to change voices once used to a particular sound.

I have even found it difficult to adjust to changes in the same voice (for example, an update to the bookport plus software installs a different version of the Samantha voice with a few differences in pronunciation, it took me over a year before I was no longer noticing every time one of those differences was encountered).

On 11/1/16, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference
for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Mario
 

as I heard, some of the younger blind computer users complain that the
Eloquence voice sounds so aweful, but I think that's because they're
spoiled in the availability of other "natural" sounding voices that can
be used instead of Eloquence. Frankly, Eloquence sounds great, but as
someone said, he uses a "natural" sounding voice when long reads are
needed... which makes sense.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov 1, 2016 3:07 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Glad I'm not the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference for
eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove elloquence,
is because it will become less apealing for blind people to come. The
younger people don't care about these like we might do, and also,
dolphin already removed their elloquence from their products. So it also
depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130 I
find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in terms
of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa reading
a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she would sound
as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't want my wife or
people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so she
was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling, but I
think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found that
out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I use
occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith






























































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Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I think you are right about that. I have said that doctors needed to go through some of the things they put patients through like Double-J ureter stents and colonostomies to name a couple. I think that anyone who applies them should have the experience at least once. After all, in our training centers now, they get sighted professionals to train for cooking, eating, etc with blind folds on.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Hi gang: My theory is that a lot of speech technology isn't necessarily designed with users relying on speech for their work--much of it, I believe, is done to provide "frosting on the cake" for sighted users--a nice gimmick. I still use Eloquence as my default synthesizer, Reed as my voice option. That sounds businesslike, it's fast and responsive. I've used the vocalizer or the a capella voices for other languages, like French, German, Swedish etc.

I haven't received my JAWS 18 yet--yes, buckled down and bought the SMA. I still go back to JAWS 16 a lot when 17 seems to get sluggish. The developers ought to be required to use the JAWS version they're developing while doing their work. Maybe that would shake them up a bit, so they get things in shape before any release.

Have a crashless, hangup-free day.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Both IBM and DEC used obnoxious child voices. I believe DEC designated its version as "Kid." I don't recall the label for the IBM Webb browser (remember that one, gang?), as I only used it a few days. I'm an IBM fan, but it cost way too much for what it did, and JAWS was already well-advanced in its browsing capability.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that guy. I do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel. I hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within the
male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually identical
by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that little twit
needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone. Who in the name
of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones sounded
like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith

































Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Enlightening observation, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Well, its simpel. Young blind people who grow up now and in future are not so subjected to robotic speech like we all were, and therefore will mostly not prefer them if they were to be learning about them. At some point it will show in the servays and other feedback wich comes from customers. If I'm wrong, why did dolphin find it necessary to remove it? Its not about what age you are, but about what you become use to are what you want to use. Tripple talk is just like the DubbleTalk sound but with better hardware.

On 01/11/2016, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I don't understand at all what age would have to do with preference
for eloquence, but would like to. Can you explain, please?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Aidan
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

The reason why I think that at some point they might remove
elloquence, is because it will become less apealing for blind people
to come. The younger people don't care about these like we might do,
and also, dolphin already removed their elloquence from their
products. So it also depend if freedom want to keep paying for it all the time in future.

On 01/11/2016, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I find listening to fiction with a mechanical sounding voice (like
eloquence) uncomfortable. Eloquence is great for things where I am
listening to short pieces (maxing out at about single sentences) but
not so much where I sit back and let the synthesizer go. Eloquence
also has significant buffering problems where it will speed up
dramatically when speaking long pieces (like full pages or especially
chapters). I already have eloquence set at 120, very much above that
and I find it becomes absolute gibberish. 125 is marginal but at 130
I find myself missing quite a lot.

On 11/1/16, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
The problem with very human sounding voices is that they will always
sound funny at high speed. If you think we aren't there yet in
terms of quality you just have to listen to the Amazon Echo, Alexa
reading a Kindl book sounds absolutely amazing, but I doubt she
would sound as good if she was talking twice as fast. I wouldn't
want my wife or people around me talk to me as fast as I have set Eloquence.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I think that the K a r y n is the northern European spelling of the
name - I like it.

If they ever could get the voices to sound more specifically human,
they could record our books with them. Some places that I call now
have pretty good sounding voices on their automated phone service,
but I think that they have human voices programmed to say specific
things. Within those confines, a human voice would work, but with
constantly changing material, I guess they're not there yet with
that.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Funny thing about the spelling of Karen! I actualy know a lady who's
name is Karyn K A R Y N.
She's not Australian, but she's hot none the less!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Are you kidding! Karin and I have been an item for years now! Of
course, I'm a long-time fan of Radio Australia, International, so
she was a natural choice for me. You can double check my spelling,
but I think her name is spelled with i n; don’t recall how I found
that out.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I have a hard time admitting this but, I got so used to Eloquence's
male voicing, of which I forget which character I have it set for,
that I can't seem to do any computer work done in any efficient or
timely manner with a better authentic sounding voice program.
Very strange but I guess my ear just tuned right in on it and I'm
more efficient in the work I do.
I do also have Karen, a real hot sounding Australian chick that I
use occasionally; just for fun! LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Bobby sounds like a cartoon character on helium. I can't stand that
guy.
I
do prefer Vocalizer, but the new voices sound like they're in a barrel.
I
hope they update the voices when they update Jaws.

On 11/1/16, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
The difference between the two is just 4 units--65 to 69. Within
the male-female parameters, most can be made to sound virtually
identical by adjusting the pitch. The one exception is Bobby; that
little twit needs to be slapped upside the head, then left alone.
Who in the name of reason would want to listen to that all day!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

I finally found them. Probably I'll go back to Reid, but I'm trying
Glenn. I keep mine set pretty fast, so the higher pitched ones
sounded like they'd be harder to understand.
Thanks for getting me there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer voices

Insert J, then to voice adjustment.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 8:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I tried that and got to the same place I have gotten in
other places.
I am trying to get to the choices of like Reid and
Samantha, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Carolyn

Ctrl + jaws key + s

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Maria, which command to you give to get to the voice
choices? I've
done it in the past, but can't remember where it is and
not getting
there tonight, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices

Eloquence rocks! There's nothing better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, humanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 10/31/2016 7:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I vote for Eloquence.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
Dennis,

As nice as the new voices are, each time new ones appear
I
give a
listen but after using eloquence for so many years, hard
to give it up
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
dennis
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Old vocalizer voices versus new vocalizer
voices
they still seam to pronounce things the same and sound
pritty much the same to me. this is why i use elliquence.
i have
shelly sounding as human as possible.

On 10/31/2016 4:55 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I still prefer RSD Emily, but that has significant
problems under
jaws 18, particularly involving left quote (U+201c),
right quote
(U+201d) and apostrophe (U+2019 IIRC) characters.

On 10/31/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
<kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu> wrote:
Hi,

I know there's a lot of subjectivity in voice
preferences, but I'm
curious if any can describe general aspects of how the
new Vocalizer
voices are different from the ones previously
available.

Thanks in advance, Keith




















































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