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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well my solution which is simple and totally accessible is to boot to a talking Win PE and use the 7Zip program that is on the talking Win PE to zip up the drive.
As I have mentioned, the Windows I am using now was unzipped onto this drive and this method works well.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

David Diamond
 

I find the delete key works fine for me. With some lists its my best friend.   


moderated Re: interesting issue with jaws 2020 and the new microsoft edge

Leo
 

yes Microsoft Edge Dev, and from what I can tell, the Dev channel is different from the beta channel and the canary channel. You can have more information about the Microsoft Edge insideer  channels here:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download


Best,
   Leo
On 5/7/2020 8:27 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

I assume you are talking about Dev Chrome and not dev JAWS? If so, is this the Beta or the Canary?
Thanks!
Jonathan Cohn


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

You can definitely boot IFW up off a 16GB thumb drive and then use Narrator to go get your back up image off of your USB external SSD or mechanical drive.  You can also store your backup image on to a second drive in your PC if it has a second drive.  You can also store images in separate particians on just one drive.  However, using an external drive is the only safe place to store your backed up images.  If you back up to a drive or partician that is connected to your PC, some malicious viruses can wipe out your back up images at the same time that it wipes out your primary drive.

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerJames B 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

That helps greatly.

Two last questions:

How large does the bootable media need to be?

Can I boot up off a thumb drive, and then restore from a SSD flash drive?

 

Or do I need to make the SSD flash drive bootable?

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Richard said in part: 

James, I have not followed this entire thread, But, are you saying that with Image For Windows you can have Narrator talk you through the restore process without any sighted help?

 

 

*Yes it is definitely [possible for a blind person to do a restore by themselves with the right preparation.

 

The recovery/restore disk that you must make with IFW is bootable and it does have Narrator included so you will have speech.

 

So, the problem is just that there are probably only 2 ways for a blind person to boot up their PC using any bootable thumb drive or DVD disk.

 

You can get a sighted person to make a one-time change in your PC’s BIOS which will always cause your PC to first look for something other than your PC’s primary drive.  This would always allow you to boot up off of any bootable media with no additional changes.

 

The second option, which is what I always do is to use F12, I think it is F 12 on my particular laptops to do a one-time change to the boot sequence.  This must be done every time that you want to boot up off of an IFW  bootable medium.  And it doesn’t matter how messed up your drive is, your PC will still boot from the bootable recovery DVD or thumb drive.  Which ever way that you boot up, Narrator can be launched with the standard Windows command, Control+Windows+Enter.  You can then restore your damaged PC and exit out to a new restart of your PC with your ehntire drive appearing just like it was the day that you created the back up.  If the backup is 5 years old, then you will be restoring to that same 5 year old backup.

 

I hope this helps,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Jaws script for reporting progress bar via sounds

Richard Turner
 

Doug Lee has a twitter account for script support questions.

He doesn’t list his personal Email on his web site, so you might try reaching out to him via twitter:

https://twitter.com/dlee_code/

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws script for reporting progress bar via sounds

 

Hi everyone,

I tried to install some jaws scripts for reporting progress bar via sounds. The name of the script is jgauge, and I founded in this page:

https://www.dlee.org/

 

it’s an executable file, but right in the end of the installation process, a message was displayed telling me that there had been an error. I believe that the script is compatible with my version of jaws 2020 since the installer properly identified this jaws version.

 

What could it have gone wrong?

Can someone provide this same script to be installed manually?

 

Thanks.

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo


moderated Re: interesting issue with jaws 2020 and the new microsoft edge

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I assume you are talking about Dev Chrome and not dev JAWS? If so, is this the Beta or the Canary?
Thanks!
Jonathan Cohn


moderated Jaws script for reporting progress bar via sounds

Leo
 

Hi everyone,

I tried to install some jaws scripts for reporting progress bar via sounds. The name of the script is jgauge, and I founded in this page:

https://www.dlee.org/

 

it’s an executable file, but right in the end of the installation process, a message was displayed telling me that there had been an error. I believe that the script is compatible with my version of jaws 2020 since the installer properly identified this jaws version.

 

What could it have gone wrong?

Can someone provide this same script to be installed manually?

 

Thanks.

 

 

--
Best,
   Leo


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

It will backup the entire system. Then you cn restore a file, folder, or what ever or all.

 

Go to;

 

www.backblaze.com

 

you will find all the info there.

 

I pay $150.00 for the 3 year plane.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 7, 2020 7:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I’m just curious.  How much trouble is it to do a restore?  Is Back Blaze creating an image of the entire drive or is it just for backing up your personal files like photos and mp3s?  How much does it cost?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george bJames B 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I use backblaze on 1 windows pc, and 2 macs and it works great

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 6, 2020 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

I’m just curious.  How much trouble is it to do a restore?  Is Back Blaze creating an image of the entire drive or is it just for backing up your personal files like photos and mp3s?  How much does it cost?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george bJames B 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I use backblaze on 1 windows pc, and 2 macs and it works great

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 6, 2020 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Richard Turner
 

That helps greatly.

Two last questions:

How large does the bootable media need to be?

Can I boot up off a thumb drive, and then restore from a SSD flash drive?

 

Or do I need to make the SSD flash drive bootable?

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Richard said in part: 

James, I have not followed this entire thread, But, are you saying that with Image For Windows you can have Narrator talk you through the restore process without any sighted help?

 

 

*Yes it is definitely [possible for a blind person to do a restore by themselves with the right preparation.

 

The recovery/restore disk that you must make with IFW is bootable and it does have Narrator included so you will have speech.

 

So, the problem is just that there are probably only 2 ways for a blind person to boot up their PC using any bootable thumb drive or DVD disk.

 

You can get a sighted person to make a one-time change in your PC’s BIOS which will always cause your PC to first look for something other than your PC’s primary drive.  This would always allow you to boot up off of any bootable media with no additional changes.

 

The second option, which is what I always do is to use F12, I think it is F 12 on my particular laptops to do a one-time change to the boot sequence.  This must be done every time that you want to boot up off of an IFW  bootable medium.  And it doesn’t matter how messed up your drive is, your PC will still boot from the bootable recovery DVD or thumb drive.  Which ever way that you boot up, Narrator can be launched with the standard Windows command, Control+Windows+Enter.  You can then restore your damaged PC and exit out to a new restart of your PC with your ehntire drive appearing just like it was the day that you created the back up.  If the backup is 5 years old, then you will be restoring to that same 5 year old backup.

 

I hope this helps,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Richard said in part: 

James, I have not followed this entire thread, But, are you saying that with Image For Windows you can have Narrator talk you through the restore process without any sighted help?

 

 

*Yes it is definitely [possible for a blind person to do a restore by themselves with the right preparation.

 

The recovery/restore disk that you must make with IFW is bootable and it does have Narrator included so you will have speech.

 

So, the problem is just that there are probably only 2 ways for a blind person to boot up their PC using any bootable thumb drive or DVD disk.

 

You can get a sighted person to make a one-time change in your PC’s BIOS which will always cause your PC to first look for something other than your PC’s primary drive.  This would always allow you to boot up off of any bootable media with no additional changes.

 

The second option, which is what I always do is to use F12, I think it is F 12 on my particular laptops to do a one-time change to the boot sequence.  This must be done every time that you want to boot up off of an IFW  bootable medium.  And it doesn’t matter how messed up your drive is, your PC will still boot from the bootable recovery DVD or thumb drive.  Which ever way that you boot up, Narrator can be launched with the standard Windows command, Control+Windows+Enter.  You can then restore your damaged PC and exit out to a new restart of your PC with your ehntire drive appearing just like it was the day that you created the back up.  If the backup is 5 years old, then you will be restoring to that same 5 year old backup.

 

I hope this helps,

 

James B  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Mario
 

aha! so, that's the way the spacebar works. analogous to the way school bus drivers used the CB radios when talking with home base.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 8:22 PM
Subject: mute in zoom
If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily
unmute the audio.  Hold spacebar down while you talk, then release it to
be muted again.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Stan Holdeman
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: mute in zoom

Thanks, guys. A big help.

Stan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@... <mailto:main@...>> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: mute in zoom

It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not
running. You might want to try it with Narrator.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Stan Holdeman
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* mute in zoom

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws
keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

Stan


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Yes I did it all on all with no help at all

 

When you install the product and the backblaze dialoge box opens the only thing I noticed is on the windows pc you need to read the box with the jaws curser to get all the info and you can even click in jaws mode.

 

But it is all automatic and very easy to use.

 

Any questions contact me off list.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: May 7, 2020 6:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

By works great, do you mean  it does not require sighted assistance?

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I use backblaze on 1 windows pc, and 2 macs and it works great

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 6, 2020 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Richard Turner
 

By works great, do you mean  it does not require sighted assistance?

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I use backblaze on 1 windows pc, and 2 macs and it works great

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 6, 2020 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

I use backblaze on 1 windows pc, and 2 macs and it works great

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: May 6, 2020 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Richard Turner
 

James,

I have not followed this entire thread, so please forgive me if I am asking for clarification that was already given.

But, are you saying that with Image For Windows you can have Narrator talk you through the restore process without any sighted help?

And, how large of a bootable media do you need?  I was thinking at least 16 GB, and then you could access your backed up data off a different location like an external hard drive?

 

I’ve only used the built-in Windows backup and fortunately have not yet had to do a restore.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not.  Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes.  Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.

 

With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.

 

I always check the accessible check box.  I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished.  There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional.  But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing. 

 

I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification.  IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.

 

IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me.  My backups are verified.  And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.

 

Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work.  It did.  It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over  5 years old.

 

Stay safe,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

René:

 

As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: interesting issue with jaws 2020 and the new microsoft edge

Leo
 

hi, this issue has been fixed at least for the dev branch, I don't know ow how long it will take to reach out the stable version though.


Best,
   Leo
On 5/6/2020 11:43 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Yes I have the same issue. It is very annoying.


On 5/4/2020 5:29 PM, james hooper wrote:

Greetings all okay I have noticed when using the newest Microsoft edge with jaws if you type something you can’t read character by character and if you backspace it doesn’t read by character any suggestions.,


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Dave Durber
 


René:
 
As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.
 
HTH
 
Dave
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 



On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

I have never tried any of the cloud based backup software.  Lets see if anyone else has any suggestions.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How about back blaze.

 

Can that be used?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

 

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

 

Others just clone their drive with Casper.  I am not familiar with that process

 

But, with IFW and MR, it is necessary to boot up off of a restore/recovery disk to restore the drive.  That means two things for the blind user.

 

First, You have to be able to boot your PC with the recovery DVD or thumb drive.  And, Changing your PC so it will boot up from something other than its primary drive requires sighted help.  That means changing the boot sequence in BIOS or, using the correct function key to temporarily change the boot up sequence.

 

Second, Once you are booted in to a recovery environment you will again need sighted help to restore your PC if this recovery environment has no speech .

 

There are others here who have more experience with backup and cloning software.  But, I can tell you that it is critical to have backups of your important data.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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