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Re: Gmail?

Marianne Denning
 

What is the shortcut key that needs to be enabled? I use Gmail in standard mode all of the time. I don't think I have ever enabled in a shortcut key.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...> wrote:

There is actually a shortcut keystroke feature in Gmail that needs to be toggled on and then standard view tends to be a smoother path IMO. The Google accessibility team actually recommends standard view with the shortcut keys enabled.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Peter Tesar
 

Thanks for the repair tip.
I knew about that run command but I thought you had to have Jaws running.
Sometimes you need someone else to set you straight.

So far my Windows 10 seems to be ok. Probably some minor adjustments will need to be made.

Peter T.

On 4/8/2017 5:21 PM, Gerry Ellis wrote:
Hi,

If you have the downloaded instalation file or the JAWS CD you can do a repair. For instance, if the download file was called J18.0.exe and it was in your c:\ folder, then type
"c:\temp\j18.0.exe" /type repair

Note putting the folder in quotes. This is only necessary if the folder name includes spaces,b but it is no harm doing it wherever the instalation file is.

If you have the CD, I presume you would point to the install.exe or setup .exe (whatever is on the CD's root directory).



Take care,

Gerry Ellis

If you don’t know where you’re going,
How will you know when you get there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

If you have a backup of your data or can make one I think it would be much easier and less potential issues down the road to reinstall Windows.
Maybe if the Program Files folder is still in the recycle bin you could restore it and be OK, otherwise I think you'll run into problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi,

Yes I did delete the entire "program files" folder. I forgot about the recycle bin.

On this desktop, I have Win10 working. Also NVDA and Narrator allows me to navigate. I also have FireFox and Thunderbird and most of the other apps are in the "program files (x86)" folder.

I cannot do a repair on Jaws if there is no Jaws installed. Unless you can do it with the Jaws 18 downloaded file or DVD.

The question is there a hidden folder with the Jaws 18 setup files that the wizard said was being copied to the hard drive. After the copy progress clicks finish, I'm told that the program is already installed.
I cannot force it to continue the installation.

The "add remove programs" list has Jaws 18 on it, but it is not responsive. It cannot find the program to do the uninstall.

There may be a hidden file folder with a program that would allow a forced install.

My laptop has Win 10 and Jaws 18. Can I just copy the "Freedom Scientific" folder from the laptop to the desktop?

Maybe I can install Jaws 16 or 17.

I'm waiting for the Win 10 version 17 to give me the ability to run it on a USB penn drive with Narrator.

Peter T.










Re: Gmail?

 

The Google Support page for Gmail Keyboard Shortcuts, including how to turn them on or off, is:  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6594?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en 
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Peter,
 
Below is the way FS tech support now recommends to repair Jaws:
From: Adrian Spratt
Hi. I'm writing to explain the new JAWS repair method I learned today from VFO. Previously, I'd taken the file of the currently running JAWS build, put it in the C drive, copied the exact wording into a Windows run dialog, etc.
this procedure failed twice for me today. VFO seems to know about this because when I called, they had me follow the procedure I'll detail below, and it worked. I don't know why it is different, but somehow it is. So, here goes.

First, make sure you have the .exe file on your system for the JAWS build you're running. You can download it from the FS/VFO website.

Unlike before, it doesn't seem to matter where you keep it on your system.

Close all running apps.

Highlight the JAWS .exe file.

Press shift-F10.

Arrow up to "Copy as path." Press enter.

Open the run dialog with Windows key-r.

Press control-v, then spacebar, then / (the forward slash key), then the word "type", spacebar, and then the word "repair."

Let me try that command line a different way. After pressing control-v followed by the spacebar, continue with /type repair

Then press enter.

The process went more smoothly than any JAWS repair I can remember, and it went all the way to the end.

I hope this is useful.
Adrian
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi,

Yes I did delete the entire "program files" folder. I forgot about the
recycle bin.

On this desktop, I have Win10 working. Also NVDA and Narrator allows me
to navigate. I also have FireFox and Thunderbird and most of the other
apps are in the "program files (x86)" folder.

I cannot do a repair on Jaws if there is no Jaws installed. Unless you
can do it with the Jaws 18 downloaded file or DVD.

The question is there a hidden folder with the Jaws 18 setup files that
the wizard said was being copied to the hard drive. After the copy
progress clicks finish, I'm told that the program is already installed.
I cannot force it to continue the installation.

The "add remove programs" list has Jaws 18 on it, but it is not
responsive. It cannot find the program to do the uninstall.

There may be a hidden file folder with a program that would allow a
forced install.

My laptop has Win 10 and Jaws 18. Can I just copy the "Freedom
Scientific" folder from the laptop to the desktop?

Maybe I can install Jaws 16 or 17.

I'm waiting for the Win 10 version 17 to give me the ability to run it
on a USB penn drive with Narrator.

Peter T.



Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

If you have the downloaded instalation file or the JAWS CD you can do a repair. For instance, if the download file was called J18.0.exe and it was in your c:\ folder, then type
"c:\temp\j18.0.exe" /type repair

Note putting the folder in quotes. This is only necessary if the folder name includes spaces,b but it is no harm doing it wherever the instalation file is.

If you have the CD, I presume you would point to the install.exe or setup .exe (whatever is on the CD's root directory).



Take care,

Gerry Ellis

If you don’t know where you’re going,
How will you know when you get there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

If you have a backup of your data or can make one I think it would be much easier and less potential issues down the road to reinstall Windows.
Maybe if the Program Files folder is still in the recycle bin you could restore it and be OK, otherwise I think you'll run into problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi,

Yes I did delete the entire "program files" folder. I forgot about the recycle bin.

On this desktop, I have Win10 working. Also NVDA and Narrator allows me to navigate. I also have FireFox and Thunderbird and most of the other apps are in the "program files (x86)" folder.

I cannot do a repair on Jaws if there is no Jaws installed. Unless you can do it with the Jaws 18 downloaded file or DVD.

The question is there a hidden folder with the Jaws 18 setup files that the wizard said was being copied to the hard drive. After the copy progress clicks finish, I'm told that the program is already installed.
I cannot force it to continue the installation.

The "add remove programs" list has Jaws 18 on it, but it is not responsive. It cannot find the program to do the uninstall.

There may be a hidden file folder with a program that would allow a forced install.

My laptop has Win 10 and Jaws 18. Can I just copy the "Freedom Scientific" folder from the laptop to the desktop?

Maybe I can install Jaws 16 or 17.

I'm waiting for the Win 10 version 17 to give me the ability to run it on a USB penn drive with Narrator.

Peter T.


Re: Gmail?

Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

There is actually a shortcut keystroke feature in Gmail that needs to be toggled on and then standard view tends to be a smoother path IMO. The Google accessibility team actually recommends standard view with the shortcut keys enabled.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

 

If you have a backup of your data or can make one I think it would be much easier and less potential issues down the road to reinstall Windows.
Maybe if the Program Files folder is still in the recycle bin you could restore it and be OK, otherwise I think you'll run into problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi,

Yes I did delete the entire "program files" folder. I forgot about the recycle bin.

On this desktop, I have Win10 working. Also NVDA and Narrator allows me to navigate. I also have FireFox and Thunderbird and most of the other apps are in the "program files (x86)" folder.

I cannot do a repair on Jaws if there is no Jaws installed. Unless you can do it with the Jaws 18 downloaded file or DVD.

The question is there a hidden folder with the Jaws 18 setup files that the wizard said was being copied to the hard drive. After the copy progress clicks finish, I'm told that the program is already installed.
I cannot force it to continue the installation.

The "add remove programs" list has Jaws 18 on it, but it is not responsive. It cannot find the program to do the uninstall.

There may be a hidden file folder with a program that would allow a forced install.

My laptop has Win 10 and Jaws 18. Can I just copy the "Freedom Scientific" folder from the laptop to the desktop?

Maybe I can install Jaws 16 or 17.

I'm waiting for the Win 10 version 17 to give me the ability to run it on a USB penn drive with Narrator.

Peter T.


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Peter Tesar
 

Hi,

Yes I did delete the entire "program files" folder. I forgot about the recycle bin.

On this desktop, I have Win10 working. Also NVDA and Narrator allows me to navigate. I also have FireFox and Thunderbird and most of the other apps are in the "program files (x86)" folder.

I cannot do a repair on Jaws if there is no Jaws installed. Unless you can do it with the Jaws 18 downloaded file or DVD.

The question is there a hidden folder with the Jaws 18 setup files that the wizard said was being copied to the hard drive. After the copy progress clicks finish, I'm told that the program is already installed. I cannot force it to continue the installation.

The "add remove programs" list has Jaws 18 on it, but it is not responsive. It cannot find the program to do the uninstall.

There may be a hidden file folder with a program that would allow a forced install.

My laptop has Win 10 and Jaws 18. Can I just copy the "Freedom Scientific" folder from the laptop to the desktop?

Maybe I can install Jaws 16 or 17.

I'm waiting for the Win 10 version 17 to give me the ability to run it on a USB penn drive with Narrator.

Peter T.


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Whoops sorry, didn't read the whole message.  Try doing a repair of Jaws, & see if that'll help.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

If you deleted a folder, look in the Recycle Bin, & you should be able to restore it from there.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi Peter,

Do you mean to say you deleted the entire Program Files folder?
If so Jaws will not be the only application affected and it is my guess that as we say here, you are up sh** creek in a wire canoe without a paddle. It would be my guess you will have to reinstall Windows and all your applications.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hello,

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
While in the C: drive tree, I accidentally deleted the program files folder.

I tried to install Jaws 18. While the files were being copied, clicks were heard, I got the message that the program was already installed.
The message advised me to uninstall the program from the add remove programs list.

This could not be done. While Jaws 18 was highlighted, there was a chirping warbling noise. The message was that install could not be found.

I noticed that the "program files" folder was there but it was not complete. There was no executable jfw.exe.

I deleted the Freedom Scientific folder from "program files". I then emptied Recycle bin and rebooted.

Installing Jaws 18 again copies files and then tells me that the program is already installed.

Is there a hidden folder with the setup files? Is it possible to find it and delete or run something to continue the setup?

How should I proceed?

Peter T.







Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


If you deleted a folder, look in the Recycle Bin, & you should be able to restore it from there.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hi Peter,

Do you mean to say you deleted the entire Program Files folder?
If so Jaws will not be the only application affected and it is my guess that as we say here, you are up sh** creek in a wire canoe without a paddle. It would be my guess you will have to reinstall Windows and all your applications.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hello,

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
While in the C: drive tree, I accidentally deleted the program files folder.

I tried to install Jaws 18. While the files were being copied, clicks were heard, I got the message that the program was already installed.
The message advised me to uninstall the program from the add remove programs list.

This could not be done. While Jaws 18 was highlighted, there was a chirping warbling noise. The message was that install could not be found.

I noticed that the "program files" folder was there but it was not complete. There was no executable jfw.exe.

I deleted the Freedom Scientific folder from "program files". I then emptied Recycle bin and rebooted.

Installing Jaws 18 again copies files and then tells me that the program is already installed.

Is there a hidden folder with the setup files? Is it possible to find it and delete or run something to continue the setup?

How should I proceed?

Peter T.







Re: recapcha

 

If you use an app you can probably get around all that. I used Craigslist and Kijiji last fall to post an item for sale and did all of it from my iPhone. The Kijiji app is very accessible and I used an app called "Classifieds Pro Free for Craigslist by Impala Studios for Craigslist and it was also very accessible if I remember correctly. When replying to somebody it's almost like using an email app with an Inbox and all that.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 4:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

 

What is especially disturbing is that this captcha problem seems to be getting progressively worse.  As usual, the blindness advocacy groups, whose responsibility it is to address such issues, have their heads buried in the sand, concerned more about Braille literacy and white cane proficiency than web site accessibility. I doubt that you will get anywhere by contactingCraig’s List directly.  Because this is a major web site, why not contact one of the blindness advocacy groups and express your outrage to them over the recaptcha problem and see what kind of response you get?  If they are truly dedicated to blindness advocacy, as they would like us to believe, then they will do something about it.  But, unfortunately, you are more likely to get some kind of lame response that it’s not their problem, blah,blah, blah. As far as Craig’s List failing to comply with the Telecommunications Act of 2010, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has made it quite clear that he intends to pursue a pro-business, anti-consumer agenda, which means that he is highly unlikely to enforce it.  Indeed, he has already taken action to quash net neutrality and government subsidization of Lifeline service for low-income consumers, so he would not seem to be any friend of us struggling blind computer users.

 

Gerald

 

 

From: Mike Ulrich

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:37 AM

Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Good morning all,

I’ve been up against  these stupid captchas and recaptcha anti spam non accessibility issues ever since their inception!

Now I can’t reply to anything for sale, or any other category on Craig’s List!

 

I’ve tried all the tricks in the book, and it’s hit or miss at best. This totally sucks and is quite frustrating for a blind person using screen readers or an IPhone in voice over.

 

So my question to you all is: How can I contact Craig’s List to voice my complaint of their noncompliance with the 21st Century Communication and Video Accessibility Act of 2010 and other legislation?

I think CL’s recaptcha goes through Google, so who do you think I should contact and how would I go about that?

 

Any help is appreciated big time!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 9:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Someone just told me that the I am not a robot by google Captia on my Pharmacy will verify me if I put in my user name and password. Then go into forms mode and make sure I stay in forms mode and after I check the check box I sit and wait ten or fifteen seconds. Then it will say Verified and I won’t need to enter a Captia. I’m not sure if that actually works but I am willing to give it a try since the last time it not only locked me out of my account but all other accounts at the same I P address.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

All these recaptchas totally suck for the blind.

The only one that I’ve seem that a blind person can work without problem, is the one in which you are a asked a math question like: “What is 6 + 6?”. Then there’s an edit box right underneath in which you type in “12”. Then hit enter and bingo, you’re in.

I’ve submitted numerous complaints directly  to these Recaptcha companies, completely explaining everything, but I never get a response and the BS keeps getting crappier!

It’s a never ending chase, the blind pay for steep upgrades to their technology, only to watch the sighted teck go ahead 10 steps!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Totally agree

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

My Pharmacy just went to one which is very difficult to check the box. After I get the box checked the Captia can be visual or audio. Selecting the audio is very difficult because it requires me to select an unlabeled graphic of a headset. Then I select play or download the Captia as an MP3. However, I do not have very long to solve the captia or I have to check the box again and start over. And if I fail to solve the captia too many times I am locked out of my Pharmacy and I am required to call them.

Several days ago, while attempting to refill several prescriptions, I locked myself out because every time I attempted to play the audio captia Jaws would talk over the first number. I kept trying to repeat the audio but I ended up locking myself out of the Pharmacy. I did not want to download the audio or mute Jaws. I just wanted to refill the prescriptions and I had already entered my User name and Password using Jaws. I felt that should have been sufficient.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

André,

          One of the major intentions of the reCAPTCHA was to have the same verification abilities to spurn spam bots and machine logins yet avoid the issues with accessibility that came with Captchas.  They should be read by screen readers and require only that you activate them, much like a button, to verify that you are human.

           I've encountered many of these but not when I was actively using a screen reader at the time.  Apparently there are variants that are much more like old Captchas, but I have yet to encounter them.  All I've hit so far are the boxes/buttons that you have to activate/check that have the label "I am not a robot."

--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Re: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

 

Hi Peter,

Do you mean to say you deleted the entire Program Files folder?
If so Jaws will not be the only application affected and it is my guess that as we say here, you are up sh** creek in a wire canoe without a paddle. It would be my guess you will have to reinstall Windows and all your applications.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Hello,

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
While in the C: drive tree, I accidentally deleted the program files folder.

I tried to install Jaws 18. While the files were being copied, clicks were heard, I got the message that the program was already installed.
The message advised me to uninstall the program from the add remove programs list.

This could not be done. While Jaws 18 was highlighted, there was a chirping warbling noise. The message was that install could not be found.

I noticed that the "program files" folder was there but it was not complete. There was no executable jfw.exe.

I deleted the Freedom Scientific folder from "program files". I then emptied Recycle bin and rebooted.

Installing Jaws 18 again copies files and then tells me that the program is already installed.

Is there a hidden folder with the setup files? Is it possible to find it and delete or run something to continue the setup?

How should I proceed?

Peter T.


Re: recapcha

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Or check out the legislation and legislative body, itself for enforcement provisions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: April 8, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Well I know ACB doesn’t make a real attempt at tackling it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 7:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

 

What is especially disturbing is that this captcha problem seems to be getting progressively worse.  As usual, the blindness advocacy groups, whose responsibility it is to address such issues, have their heads buried in the sand, concerned more about Braille literacy and white cane proficiency than web site accessibility. I doubt that you will get anywhere by contactingCraig’s List directly.  Because this is a major web site, why not contact one of the blindness advocacy groups and express your outrage to them over the recaptcha problem and see what kind of response you get?  If they are truly dedicated to blindness advocacy, as they would like us to believe, then they will do something about it.  But, unfortunately, you are more likely to get some kind of lame response that it’s not their problem, blah,blah, blah. As far as Craig’s List failing to comply with the Telecommunications Act of 2010, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has made it quite clear that he intends to pursue a pro-business, anti-consumer agenda, which means that he is highly unlikely to enforce it.  Indeed, he has already taken action to quash net neutrality and government subsidization of Lifeline service for low-income consumers, so he would not seem to be any friend of us struggling blind computer users.

 

Gerald

 

 

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:37 AM

Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Good morning all,

I’ve been up against  these stupid captchas and recaptcha anti spam non accessibility issues ever since their inception!

Now I can’t reply to anything for sale, or any other category on Craig’s List!

 

I’ve tried all the tricks in the book, and it’s hit or miss at best. This totally sucks and is quite frustrating for a blind person using screen readers or an IPhone in voice over.

 

So my question to you all is: How can I contact Craig’s List to voice my complaint of their noncompliance with the 21st Century Communication and Video Accessibility Act of 2010 and other legislation?

I think CL’s recaptcha goes through Google, so who do you think I should contact and how would I go about that?

 

Any help is appreciated big time!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 9:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Someone just told me that the I am not a robot by google Captia on my Pharmacy will verify me if I put in my user name and password. Then go into forms mode and make sure I stay in forms mode and after I check the check box I sit and wait ten or fifteen seconds. Then it will say Verified and I won’t need to enter a Captia. I’m not sure if that actually works but I am willing to give it a try since the last time it not only locked me out of my account but all other accounts at the same I P address.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

All these recaptchas totally suck for the blind.

The only one that I’ve seem that a blind person can work without problem, is the one in which you are a asked a math question like: “What is 6 + 6?”. Then there’s an edit box right underneath in which you type in “12”. Then hit enter and bingo, you’re in.

I’ve submitted numerous complaints directly  to these Recaptcha companies, completely explaining everything, but I never get a response and the BS keeps getting crappier!

It’s a never ending chase, the blind pay for steep upgrades to their technology, only to watch the sighted teck go ahead 10 steps!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Totally agree

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

My Pharmacy just went to one which is very difficult to check the box. After I get the box checked the Captia can be visual or audio. Selecting the audio is very difficult because it requires me to select an unlabeled graphic of a headset. Then I select play or download the Captia as an MP3. However, I do not have very long to solve the captia or I have to check the box again and start over. And if I fail to solve the captia too many times I am locked out of my Pharmacy and I am required to call them.

Several days ago, while attempting to refill several prescriptions, I locked myself out because every time I attempted to play the audio captia Jaws would talk over the first number. I kept trying to repeat the audio but I ended up locking myself out of the Pharmacy. I did not want to download the audio or mute Jaws. I just wanted to refill the prescriptions and I had already entered my User name and Password using Jaws. I felt that should have been sufficient.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

André,

          One of the major intentions of the reCAPTCHA was to have the same verification abilities to spurn spam bots and machine logins yet avoid the issues with accessibility that came with Captchas.  They should be read by screen readers and require only that you activate them, much like a button, to verify that you are human.

           I've encountered many of these but not when I was actively using a screen reader at the time.  Apparently there are variants that are much more like old Captchas, but I have yet to encounter them.  All I've hit so far are the boxes/buttons that you have to activate/check that have the label "I am not a robot."

--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Re: Gmail?

Tom Behler
 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Gmail?

Tom Behler
 

I'm not sure of the answer to this question, but now I'm confused.

I thought our best choice for accessibility on the g-mail web site was to switch from the standard view, to the HTML view.

If someone could clarify, that would be appreciated.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

so, is any functionality lost by switching from the standard (html) interface to the basic?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 11:46 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


Re: Gmail?

Mario
 

so, is any functionality lost by switching from the standard (html)
interface to the basic?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 11:46 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


Re: recapcha

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Well I know ACB doesn’t make a real attempt at tackling it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 7:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

 

What is especially disturbing is that this captcha problem seems to be getting progressively worse.  As usual, the blindness advocacy groups, whose responsibility it is to address such issues, have their heads buried in the sand, concerned more about Braille literacy and white cane proficiency than web site accessibility. I doubt that you will get anywhere by contactingCraig’s List directly.  Because this is a major web site, why not contact one of the blindness advocacy groups and express your outrage to them over the recaptcha problem and see what kind of response you get?  If they are truly dedicated to blindness advocacy, as they would like us to believe, then they will do something about it.  But, unfortunately, you are more likely to get some kind of lame response that it’s not their problem, blah,blah, blah. As far as Craig’s List failing to comply with the Telecommunications Act of 2010, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has made it quite clear that he intends to pursue a pro-business, anti-consumer agenda, which means that he is highly unlikely to enforce it.  Indeed, he has already taken action to quash net neutrality and government subsidization of Lifeline service for low-income consumers, so he would not seem to be any friend of us struggling blind computer users.

 

Gerald

 

 

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:37 AM

Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Good morning all,

I’ve been up against  these stupid captchas and recaptcha anti spam non accessibility issues ever since their inception!

Now I can’t reply to anything for sale, or any other category on Craig’s List!

 

I’ve tried all the tricks in the book, and it’s hit or miss at best. This totally sucks and is quite frustrating for a blind person using screen readers or an IPhone in voice over.

 

So my question to you all is: How can I contact Craig’s List to voice my complaint of their noncompliance with the 21st Century Communication and Video Accessibility Act of 2010 and other legislation?

I think CL’s recaptcha goes through Google, so who do you think I should contact and how would I go about that?

 

Any help is appreciated big time!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 9:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Someone just told me that the I am not a robot by google Captia on my Pharmacy will verify me if I put in my user name and password. Then go into forms mode and make sure I stay in forms mode and after I check the check box I sit and wait ten or fifteen seconds. Then it will say Verified and I won’t need to enter a Captia. I’m not sure if that actually works but I am willing to give it a try since the last time it not only locked me out of my account but all other accounts at the same I P address.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

All these recaptchas totally suck for the blind.

The only one that I’ve seem that a blind person can work without problem, is the one in which you are a asked a math question like: “What is 6 + 6?”. Then there’s an edit box right underneath in which you type in “12”. Then hit enter and bingo, you’re in.

I’ve submitted numerous complaints directly  to these Recaptcha companies, completely explaining everything, but I never get a response and the BS keeps getting crappier!

It’s a never ending chase, the blind pay for steep upgrades to their technology, only to watch the sighted teck go ahead 10 steps!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Totally agree

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

My Pharmacy just went to one which is very difficult to check the box. After I get the box checked the Captia can be visual or audio. Selecting the audio is very difficult because it requires me to select an unlabeled graphic of a headset. Then I select play or download the Captia as an MP3. However, I do not have very long to solve the captia or I have to check the box again and start over. And if I fail to solve the captia too many times I am locked out of my Pharmacy and I am required to call them.

Several days ago, while attempting to refill several prescriptions, I locked myself out because every time I attempted to play the audio captia Jaws would talk over the first number. I kept trying to repeat the audio but I ended up locking myself out of the Pharmacy. I did not want to download the audio or mute Jaws. I just wanted to refill the prescriptions and I had already entered my User name and Password using Jaws. I felt that should have been sufficient.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

André,

          One of the major intentions of the reCAPTCHA was to have the same verification abilities to spurn spam bots and machine logins yet avoid the issues with accessibility that came with Captchas.  They should be read by screen readers and require only that you activate them, much like a button, to verify that you are human.

           I've encountered many of these but not when I was actively using a screen reader at the time.  Apparently there are variants that are much more like old Captchas, but I have yet to encounter them.  All I've hit so far are the boxes/buttons that you have to activate/check that have the label "I am not a robot."

--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Re: recapcha

Gerald Levy
 

 
What is especially disturbing is that this captcha problem seems to be getting progressively worse.  As usual, the blindness advocacy groups, whose responsibility it is to address such issues, have their heads buried in the sand, concerned more about Braille literacy and white cane proficiency than web site accessibility. I doubt that you will get anywhere by contactingCraig’s List directly.  Because this is a major web site, why not contact one of the blindness advocacy groups and express your outrage to them over the recaptcha problem and see what kind of response you get?  If they are truly dedicated to blindness advocacy, as they would like us to believe, then they will do something about it.  But, unfortunately, you are more likely to get some kind of lame response that it’s not their problem, blah,blah, blah. As far as Craig’s List failing to comply with the Telecommunications Act of 2010, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has made it quite clear that he intends to pursue a pro-business, anti-consumer agenda, which means that he is highly unlikely to enforce it.  Indeed, he has already taken action to quash net neutrality and government subsidization of Lifeline service for low-income consumers, so he would not seem to be any friend of us struggling blind computer users.
 
Gerald
 
 

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: recapcha
 

Good morning all,

I’ve been up against  these stupid captchas and recaptcha anti spam non accessibility issues ever since their inception!

Now I can’t reply to anything for sale, or any other category on Craig’s List!

 

I’ve tried all the tricks in the book, and it’s hit or miss at best. This totally sucks and is quite frustrating for a blind person using screen readers or an IPhone in voice over.

 

So my question to you all is: How can I contact Craig’s List to voice my complaint of their noncompliance with the 21st Century Communication and Video Accessibility Act of 2010 and other legislation?

I think CL’s recaptcha goes through Google, so who do you think I should contact and how would I go about that?

 

Any help is appreciated big time!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 9:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Someone just told me that the I am not a robot by google Captia on my Pharmacy will verify me if I put in my user name and password. Then go into forms mode and make sure I stay in forms mode and after I check the check box I sit and wait ten or fifteen seconds. Then it will say Verified and I won’t need to enter a Captia. I’m not sure if that actually works but I am willing to give it a try since the last time it not only locked me out of my account but all other accounts at the same I P address.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

All these recaptchas totally suck for the blind.

The only one that I’ve seem that a blind person can work without problem, is the one in which you are a asked a math question like: “What is 6 + 6?”. Then there’s an edit box right underneath in which you type in “12”. Then hit enter and bingo, you’re in.

I’ve submitted numerous complaints directly  to these Recaptcha companies, completely explaining everything, but I never get a response and the BS keeps getting crappier!

It’s a never ending chase, the blind pay for steep upgrades to their technology, only to watch the sighted teck go ahead 10 steps!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

Totally agree

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

My Pharmacy just went to one which is very difficult to check the box. After I get the box checked the Captia can be visual or audio. Selecting the audio is very difficult because it requires me to select an unlabeled graphic of a headset. Then I select play or download the Captia as an MP3. However, I do not have very long to solve the captia or I have to check the box again and start over. And if I fail to solve the captia too many times I am locked out of my Pharmacy and I am required to call them.

Several days ago, while attempting to refill several prescriptions, I locked myself out because every time I attempted to play the audio captia Jaws would talk over the first number. I kept trying to repeat the audio but I ended up locking myself out of the Pharmacy. I did not want to download the audio or mute Jaws. I just wanted to refill the prescriptions and I had already entered my User name and Password using Jaws. I felt that should have been sufficient.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: recapcha

 

André,

          One of the major intentions of the reCAPTCHA was to have the same verification abilities to spurn spam bots and machine logins yet avoid the issues with accessibility that came with Captchas.  They should be read by screen readers and require only that you activate them, much like a button, to verify that you are human.

           I've encountered many of these but not when I was actively using a screen reader at the time.  Apparently there are variants that are much more like old Captchas, but I have yet to encounter them.  All I've hit so far are the boxes/buttons that you have to activate/check that have the label "I am not a robot."

--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Accidentally deleted Jaws18, now install stopps...it says that it is already installed?

Peter Tesar
 

Hello,

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.
While in the C: drive tree, I accidentally deleted the program files folder.

I tried to install Jaws 18. While the files were being copied, clicks were heard, I got the message that the program was already installed. The message advised me to uninstall the program from the add remove programs list.

This could not be done. While Jaws 18 was highlighted, there was a chirping warbling noise. The message was that install could not be found.

I noticed that the "program files" folder was there but it was not complete. There was no executable jfw.exe.

I deleted the Freedom Scientific folder from "program files". I then emptied Recycle bin and rebooted.

Installing Jaws 18 again copies files and then tells me that the program is already installed.

Is there a hidden folder with the setup files? Is it possible to find it and delete or run something to continue the setup?

How should I proceed?

Peter T.