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Re: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Jed Barton
 

Hey there, well it says that it's control alt j. However the target box is blank.
Not sure what to make of this.

On 4/13/2017 1:25 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
Hi,

If you're using the same hot key combo in another program, it won't work. When I load a new version of JAWS, for example, I need to go to the earlier version of JAWS and remove the hot key from that version, then go to the new version and define the hot key there.

Of course, you can also use a different hot key. I think someone on this list once mentioned they use the last number of the version for that versions hot key, such as Control Alt 7 for JAWS 17 and Control Alt 8 for JAWS 18.
Hope this helps, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?






Re: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

If you're using the same hot key combo in another program, it won't work. When I load a new version of JAWS, for example, I need to go to the earlier version of JAWS and remove the hot key from that version, then go to the new version and define the hot key there.

Of course, you can also use a different hot key. I think someone on this list once mentioned they use the last number of the version for that versions hot key, such as Control Alt 7 for JAWS 17 and Control Alt 8 for JAWS 18.
Hope this helps, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?


can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

 

The reports of Dennis and Marsha are why I always tell my clients that they need to have another screen reader "in their back pocket" to use when things like this occur, and they do occur, and not just with JAWS.

I cannot count the number of times that I've seen specific software, websites, and whatnot behave perfectly normally with screen readers one, two, and three, but not with screen reader four.

Usually it's a matter of waiting it out until your preferred screen reader does whatever fix is necessary, but when that wait is long, you gotta have a work around.
--
Brian

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Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

Hi
I have tried both threaded and unthreaded. There doesn't seem to be any difference. It seems that Jaws doesn't want to fix the problem just blame thunderbird.

Marsha


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

 

With the change in update paradigm that comes with the "Windows as a Service" philosophy the question, "Should I update?," is moot.   You will update.  You can sometimes choose to postpone for a given period, but you will update.

When it comes to the major updates like Creators Update one should always expect the unexpected, at least a little of it, if you're in the first wave of machines updated.  I'm a professional tech geek so I intentionally forced my machine to update on April 5th so I'd have a leg up on any issues my clients might call about.  There have been no issues of importance at all for me (but I am sighted and don't use a screen reader as my primary interface to the computer) and reports seem to indicate that there have been few, not none, but few, issues for screen reader users as well.

I always encourage folks to wait until their machine is updated via the normal Windows Update process rather than doing what I did, and did only for professional reasons.  There has already been an update to the Creators Update that bumps the dot number on the build number.  You're far better to be on the later phases of roll out, where the early kinks will have been resolved, than to be in the first cohort.  But, if you're in the first cohort my feeling is accept that on the upgrade cycles when it happens.  It's a roll of the dice which machines get grouped into the cohorts during major update roll outs.
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Brian

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Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

dennis
 

also, it doesn't work in jaws 16 and the jaws kercer doesn't work either.


On 4/13/2017 10:01 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I've just confirmed that this is a JAWS issue with unthreaded view, at least using JAWS 18.0, Thunderbird version 52, and Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1703.

It makes no difference whether the Thunderbird window is maximized or not.  If the view is unthreaded JAWS will not read anything in the inbox list of messages.  Switched to threaded it behaves normally.

This behavior is not exhibited in NVDA.  I did not try Window Eyes nor Narrator, as this is enough to confirm that the issue seems to be tied to how JAWS interacts with unthreaded view in Thunderbird.  I would definitely get VFO tech support involved.
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Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

 

I've just confirmed that this is a JAWS issue with unthreaded view, at least using JAWS 18.0, Thunderbird version 52, and Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1703.

It makes no difference whether the Thunderbird window is maximized or not.  If the view is unthreaded JAWS will not read anything in the inbox list of messages.  Switched to threaded it behaves normally.

This behavior is not exhibited in NVDA.  I did not try Window Eyes nor Narrator, as this is enough to confirm that the issue seems to be tied to how JAWS interacts with unthreaded view in Thunderbird.  I would definitely get VFO tech support involved.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

dennis
 

threaded view is the answer. change it to that and it reads fine. with the acception that its now a tree view and not a list view.


On 4/13/2017 8:59 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dennis,

          Are you using threaded view or unthreaded view?   I am having no issues with threaded view and read somewhere yesterday that someone found that switching from unthreaded to threaded view made the screen reader read again.

          I realize this is unsatisfactory if one wants to use unthreaded view normally, but it is a workaround for the period of time until the issue with unthreaded view can be fixed.
--
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Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

 

Dennis,

          Are you using threaded view or unthreaded view?   I am having no issues with threaded view and read somewhere yesterday that someone found that switching from unthreaded to threaded view made the screen reader read again.

          I realize this is unsatisfactory if one wants to use unthreaded view normally, but it is a workaround for the period of time until the issue with unthreaded view can be fixed.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Jacob
 

OK. It works fine here with NVDA if I install v52. Ony JAWS doesn't work. Have you tried to maximize the window? And also try view and layout menu. Since v45 doesn't work for you with both NVDA and JAWS I thik it's a setting in Thunderbird that you need to change.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 14:14 Peter Tesar wrote:
I'm using the latest Jaws 18 and Windows 10 v16.
The same problem is there with NVDA.

Peter T.

On 4/13/2017 7:11 AM, Jacob wrote:
What JAWS version? I use latest JAWS 18 with Thunderbird v45 and it
works fine. I downgrade from v52 to v45 by installing v45 on top of
the existing v52. After that I turn off the autoupdate. Your problem
with v45 is maybe because you're using an older version of JAWS?

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 13:06 skrev Peter Tesar wrote:
I had Thunderbird v38 for a long time. I protected myself by having the
automatic updates turned off.

Recently I thought I would force an update.

I now have Thunderbird v45 and the message lists are silent.
The lists for the other folders are not voiced by JAWS.

I was thinking of forcing an upgrade to v52 but it seems that v52 has
the same problem.

You can still get Jaws to read the contents of the messages by entering
each and then deleting it.
But relying on entering each and moving on to the next is a time
consuming way to navigate.

I don't know how to do a rollback to v38. If I delete V45, reboot and
install v38, I still have V45.

Maybe there is a way to permanently flush v45 from the system before
reinstalling v38.

Peter T.


On 4/13/2017 3:15 AM, Jacob wrote:
Is it Thunderbird v52? I have the same problem here. I haven't find a
way to solve it. I downgrade to Thunderbird v45.xx and turn automatic
updates off.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 09:03 Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions
provided
in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that
when I
tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no
messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list
view"
but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative
screen
reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use
Jaws. I
think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what
it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis









Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That's a good point. Frankly, JAWS' not so subtle pressure to upgrade has always bothered me. Even the allegedly predatory Microsoft doesn't punish me monetarily for passing up a version of Office; I do what suits me. Of course, Office is not so obscenely expensive as to require a maintenance contract either. I know I'll suffer when I eventually leave 16, but it's been a good ride, and I don't have many of the problems reflected here. Yes, it's a small market, bla-bla, but the company is now an international powerhouse, with government contracts galore; it's no little church mouse startup.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

I certainly don't see anything in it that would be of much use to most
of us, however I do fear not being able to apply future patches and so
I did the update.

On 4/12/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I have seen the many notes about this new version of Windows, and today I
received a prompt from Microsoft suggesting I update. Should I? I use
JAWS
17, and I am strictly a consumer level in computer knowledge. I do only
the
usual computer tasks of writing, reading, email, and Internet browsing.
Should I decline the update to Windows Creator?

Your advice would be much appreciated.

Tim Ford






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Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Peter Tesar
 

I'm using the latest Jaws 18 and Windows 10 v16.
The same problem is there with NVDA.

Peter T.

On 4/13/2017 7:11 AM, Jacob wrote:
What JAWS version? I use latest JAWS 18 with Thunderbird v45 and it works fine. I downgrade from v52 to v45 by installing v45 on top of the existing v52. After that I turn off the autoupdate. Your problem with v45 is maybe because you're using an older version of JAWS?

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 13:06 skrev Peter Tesar wrote:
I had Thunderbird v38 for a long time. I protected myself by having the
automatic updates turned off.

Recently I thought I would force an update.

I now have Thunderbird v45 and the message lists are silent.
The lists for the other folders are not voiced by JAWS.

I was thinking of forcing an upgrade to v52 but it seems that v52 has
the same problem.

You can still get Jaws to read the contents of the messages by entering
each and then deleting it.
But relying on entering each and moving on to the next is a time
consuming way to navigate.

I don't know how to do a rollback to v38. If I delete V45, reboot and
install v38, I still have V45.

Maybe there is a way to permanently flush v45 from the system before
reinstalling v38.

Peter T.


On 4/13/2017 3:15 AM, Jacob wrote:
Is it Thunderbird v52? I have the same problem here. I haven't find a
way to solve it. I downgrade to Thunderbird v45.xx and turn automatic
updates off.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 09:03 Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions provided
in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that when I
tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no
messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list view"
but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative screen
reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use Jaws. I
think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what
it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis







Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Jacob
 

What JAWS version? I use latest JAWS 18 with Thunderbird v45 and it works fine. I downgrade from v52 to v45 by installing v45 on top of the existing v52. After that I turn off the autoupdate. Your problem with v45 is maybe because you're using an older version of JAWS?

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 13:06 skrev Peter Tesar wrote:
I had Thunderbird v38 for a long time. I protected myself by having the
automatic updates turned off.

Recently I thought I would force an update.

I now have Thunderbird v45 and the message lists are silent.
The lists for the other folders are not voiced by JAWS.

I was thinking of forcing an upgrade to v52 but it seems that v52 has
the same problem.

You can still get Jaws to read the contents of the messages by entering
each and then deleting it.
But relying on entering each and moving on to the next is a time
consuming way to navigate.

I don't know how to do a rollback to v38. If I delete V45, reboot and
install v38, I still have V45.

Maybe there is a way to permanently flush v45 from the system before
reinstalling v38.

Peter T.


On 4/13/2017 3:15 AM, Jacob wrote:
Is it Thunderbird v52? I have the same problem here. I haven't find a
way to solve it. I downgrade to Thunderbird v45.xx and turn automatic
updates off.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 09:03 Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions provided
in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that when I
tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no
messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list view"
but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative screen
reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use Jaws. I
think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what
it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis





Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Peter Tesar
 

I had Thunderbird v38 for a long time. I protected myself by having the automatic updates turned off.

Recently I thought I would force an update.

I now have Thunderbird v45 and the message lists are silent.
The lists for the other folders are not voiced by JAWS.

I was thinking of forcing an upgrade to v52 but it seems that v52 has the same problem.

You can still get Jaws to read the contents of the messages by entering each and then deleting it.
But relying on entering each and moving on to the next is a time consuming way to navigate.

I don't know how to do a rollback to v38. If I delete V45, reboot and install v38, I still have V45.

Maybe there is a way to permanently flush v45 from the system before reinstalling v38.

Peter T.

On 4/13/2017 3:15 AM, Jacob wrote:
Is it Thunderbird v52? I have the same problem here. I haven't find a way to solve it. I downgrade to Thunderbird v45.xx and turn automatic updates off.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 09:03 Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions provided
in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that when I
tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no
messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list view"
but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative screen
reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use Jaws. I
think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what
it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis



Microsoft Mail

panamt3@...
 

 

 

Is anyone having problems reading emails using JAWS and Microsoft mail app, Windows 10?

I used to be able to arrow to a particular email and hit enter. JAWS would start reading the message automatically. I could arrow thrue the mmessage if I needed to. I have tried removing and reinstalling JAWS again with out any luck. JAWS Key and down arrow usually does work but I’d appreciate any input on this issue and any fixes. This has been going on for a few months even with yesterday’s Windows update.

 

Thanks

 

 

 


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Jacob
 

Is it Thunderbird v52? I have the same problem here. I haven't find a way to solve it. I downgrade to Thunderbird v45.xx and turn automatic updates off.

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2017 04 13 at 09:03 Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions provided
in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that when I
tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no
messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list view"
but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative screen
reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use Jaws. I
think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what
it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis


Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I installed Thunderbird on Windows 7 following the instructions provided in the Freedom Scientific webinar. The problem I'm having is that when I tab into the folder where messages are stored such as the inbox, no messages are displayed in the file list. Jaws does announce "list view" but nothing is listed on the screen. When I tried an alternative screen reader, the file list is displayed, but my preference is to use Jaws. I think something must be set incorrectly in Jaws, but I'm not sure what it could be. Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis
 


Re: Header and Footers Seemingly Inaccessible with JAWS 18 and MS Excel 2016

Debbie April Yuille
 

Thanks.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Header and Footers Seemingly Inaccessible with JAWS 18 and MS Excel 2016

 

Yes

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 20:01, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:

Thanks. So, can I actually do that without actually having to print the worksheet?

 

Debbie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 5:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Header and Footers Seemingly Inaccessible with JAWS 18 and MS Excel 2016

 

Debbie,

 

Here is the way to do this because the way you tried the dialoge is not accessable.

 

From jaws tech team that called me today;

 

In a excel workbook,

 

Do the following,

 

Alt p s p

 

This puts you in the page layout

Now control tab to headders and footers tab

Then arrow down and choose header or fotter and hit enter then you can tab through the same kind of fields like in the dialog box you and I could not access

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: April 11, 2017 3:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Header and Footers Seemingly Inaccessible with JAWS 18 and MS Excel 2016

 

Hello All

 

I’m trying to insert a header into my workbook in MS Excel 2016, however every time I go into the header and footer options, JAWS will not read any text or option at all. Has anyone else also come across this problem and if so, is there a way around it. I’m using JAWS 18 and windows 10 if that’s of any help.

 

Thanks

Debbie


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

Soronel Haetir
 

One thing I have encountered, the Creators update cleared my OS level
mapping of the print screen key to applications. I was able to
re-apply it but something to keep in mind for those that do likewise.

On 4/12/17, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I certainly don't see anything in it that would be of much use to most
of us, however I do fear not being able to apply future patches and so
I did the update.

On 4/12/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I have seen the many notes about this new version of Windows, and today I
received a prompt from Microsoft suggesting I update. Should I? I use
JAWS
17, and I am strictly a consumer level in computer knowledge. I do only
the
usual computer tasks of writing, reading, email, and Internet browsing.
Should I decline the update to Windows Creator?

Your advice would be much appreciated.

Tim Ford






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com
--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com