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Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

 

David,

           Here is what Freedom Scientific has to say about their product line and the Windows 10 Creators Update.  I can't provide information more accurate than from "the horse's mouth."

           From what I've seen so far, and providing you have an update to Creators Update that goes as its supposed to, it's likely that you'll have no idea that you have it as far as how you interact with Windows 10 on a routine basis.  There have been some significant changes that allow this version of Windows 10 to exploit specific features of processing hardware in ways that Windows could not before, and that can result in some significant performance improvements.   I have noticed that my boot up time (and that's with Fast Startup turned off) has decreased very significantly, which is a welcome change.

           There have been some reports of issues with this upgrade screwing up certain device drivers, so if you have a lot of third party components installed on your system I would definitely take the time to visit the support pages for those devices and download the latest drivers for them before your machine upgrades.  This allows you to be ready to reinstall the manufacturer's drivers at a moment's notice should that be necessary.

           A system with 32 GB of RAM and an i7 processor (regardless of generation) should just fly along under Windows 10.  That hardware profile gives Windows 10 way more than adequate "room to run like a gazelle."
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Unable to install required component JAWS run time

Ann Byrne
 

Trying to install JAWS 18 latest version on my student's windows 8.0 machine. After some whirring and clicking and a lot of waiting, I get the message:
Unable to install required component JAWS run time, the process will now end. With of course an okay button. I tried using the JAWS 18 disk, and I tried using a download of yesterday's update. Same message. Any ideas????

thanks,

Ann


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

Mario
 

got it. thanks Brian.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Apr 13, 2017 4:03 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Do I need Windows Creator?

Mario,

The Version number for Creators Update is 1703 (March 2017,
with YY first and MM second, which is the convention based on initial
release date or projected release date) and it will remain 1703 until
the next major update is released.

The current build number is 15063.138. As minor dribs and
drabs get tweaked the dot number (as in dot 138) can and does change.
If there are more substantial changes, but not enough to be of the
"major update" class (e.g. Anniversary Update or Creators Update) the
build number changes.

The version number changes only when major updates occur.
--
*Brian*

Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very
definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Maria Campbell
 

I'm using JAWS 18 and TB 45 with w10 with no issues.

Have TB auto update turned off.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 4/13/2017 3:59 PM, Peter Tesar wrote:
If this problem is going to recur, how do we do a rollback to an earlier TB version?

I used v38 for a long time with the automatic update turned off. Now v45 and v52 have a problem.

Deleting the higher version, rebooting, emptying the recycle bin and installing the older version, still gives you the higher version.

I noticed that there are many hidden folders, some with the word "rollback". Is one of them for Thunderbird? Is there a way to flush your system of any Thunderbird files before reinstalling an older version?

Peter T.


On 4/13/2017 11:01 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I've just confirmed that this is a JAWS issue with unthreaded view, at least using JAWS 18.0, Thunderbird version 52, and Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1703.

It makes no difference whether the Thunderbird window is maximized or not. If the view is unthreaded JAWS will not read anything in the inbox list of messages. Switched to threaded it behaves normally.

This behavior is not exhibited in NVDA. I did not try Window Eyes nor Narrator, as this is enough to confirm that the issue seems to be tied to how JAWS interacts with unthreaded view in Thunderbird. I would definitely get VFO tech support involved.
--
*Brian*

Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Peter Tesar
 

If this problem is going to recur, how do we do a rollback to an earlier TB version?

I used v38 for a long time with the automatic update turned off. Now v45 and v52 have a problem.

Deleting the higher version, rebooting, emptying the recycle bin and installing the older version, still gives you the higher version.

I noticed that there are many hidden folders, some with the word "rollback". Is one of them for Thunderbird? Is there a way to flush your system of any Thunderbird files before reinstalling an older version?

Peter T.


On 4/13/2017 11:01 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I've just confirmed that this is a JAWS issue with unthreaded view, at least using JAWS 18.0, Thunderbird version 52, and Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1703.

It makes no difference whether the Thunderbird window is maximized or not.  If the view is unthreaded JAWS will not read anything in the inbox list of messages.  Switched to threaded it behaves normally.

This behavior is not exhibited in NVDA.  I did not try Window Eyes nor Narrator, as this is enough to confirm that the issue seems to be tied to how JAWS interacts with unthreaded view in Thunderbird.  I would definitely get VFO tech support involved.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.



Re: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

Are you sure that the account that you are using has Administrator privelidges?



Take care,

Gerry Ellis

If you don’t know where you’re going,
How will you know when you get there?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?






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Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Brian, should I ever want to buy this thing, is it available as a disk yet, or is it still a download only?

 

Ted

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

 

Mario,

        The Version number for Creators Update is 1703 (March 2017, with YY first and MM second, which is the convention based on initial release date or projected release date) and it will remain 1703 until the next major update is released.

        The current build number is 15063.138.  As minor dribs and drabs get tweaked the dot number (as in dot 138) can and does change.  If there are more substantial changes, but not enough to be of the "major update" class (e.g. Anniversary Update or Creators Update) the build number changes.

         The version number changes only when major updates occur.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

David Ingram
 

what is this new windows creator and how does it work with jaws?  I  use jaws version 16 and i'm not sure about windows creator and how to use it?  I  have windows 10 but i'm not sure whether i'll get the same speed in terms of system performance or would there be a lot of things that i'll have to do to this computer in order to use it for music production?  These are some questions that I have and i'm not sure how I should approach tuning up my system for music production using windows 10 with 32gb of ram and an i7 processor which is a quad coar system.  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 13, 2017 10:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

With the change in update paradigm that comes with the "Windows as a Service" philosophy the question, "Should I update?," is moot.   You will update.  You can sometimes choose to postpone for a given period, but you will update.

When it comes to the major updates like Creators Update one should always expect the unexpected, at least a little of it, if you're in the first wave of machines updated.  I'm a professional tech geek so I intentionally forced my machine to update on April 5th so I'd have a leg up on any issues my clients might call about.  There have been no issues of importance at all for me (but I am sighted and don't use a screen reader as my primary interface to the computer) and reports seem to indicate that there have been few, not none, but few, issues for screen reader users as well.

I always encourage folks to wait until their machine is updated via the normal Windows Update process rather than doing what I did, and did only for professional reasons.  There has already been an update to the Creators Update that bumps the dot number on the build number.  You're far better to be on the later phases of roll out, where the early kinks will have been resolved, than to be in the first cohort.  But, if you're in the first cohort my feeling is accept that on the upgrade cycles when it happens.  It's a roll of the dice which machines get grouped into the cohorts during major update roll outs.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

 

Mario,

        The Version number for Creators Update is 1703 (March 2017, with YY first and MM second, which is the convention based on initial release date or projected release date) and it will remain 1703 until the next major update is released.

        The current build number is 15063.138.  As minor dribs and drabs get tweaked the dot number (as in dot 138) can and does change.  If there are more substantial changes, but not enough to be of the "major update" class (e.g. Anniversary Update or Creators Update) the build number changes.

         The version number changes only when major updates occur.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: JAWS losing focus?

Maria Campbell
 

Someone is always listening. His name is Eric D'amery.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 4/13/2017 2:00 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
It's been my experience that it reads more during updates in settings with touch cursor. Not my favorite solution but maybe that'd help? I haven't tried it with Narrator or NVDA yet myself.
You say: "If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying to recover/reload" Yes, yes, yes I'd so love this please and thank you. I also love the idea of allowing customers to vote on prioritizing potential fixes but I'm not naïve enough to think any company would ever do it or even give lip service to doing so but it would be an interesting survey to run at least in the name of customer engagement if anyone's listening (smile).

Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, it definitely happens from time to time. I would be very happy if VFO decided not to focus on introducing a bunch of new features which may or may not be useful, but instead made a real effort to make Jaws less problematic in some isitations, here are some of my items:

Responsiveness in Word, Excel, Outlook and other office programs, especially in Outlook
Even better accessibility for OneNote which is starting to get better, but it still needs more work
Improvement with the loosing focus issue
Jaws needs to read more information in Settings, for example when an update is in progress, often you get more information with Narrator and Jaws should be at least as good as that
Better support for the Outlook.com website and Office 365 web apps
If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying to recover/reload itself
Just overall focus on making Jaws a lot more stabil and reliable, once that has been achieved VFO can look at adding some more cool features
Is there some sort of roadmap? I think it would be nice to know what VFO is working on with respect to features or to have a list of features they are looking at and allowing people to vote for them so they can see what users really want to see next.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Hi all,

JAWS has been losing focus for years and, whenever I brought it up with them, they denied it. Now, at least, they admit that there is a problem. In Windows 10, its worse than it ever was. I hope they can get their act together and, anytime soon would be good.

Ron & Danvers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?
Importance: High

The frequency of JAWS crashing and reloading, or losing focus, has dramatically increased. I don't know if it's a matter of still needing to work out how to play with Windows 10 nicely, but so far, trying to work with JAWS and Windows 10 is a great deal more frustrating than it had been in Windows 7 or 8.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Ann,

Are you sure that it's not JAWS crashing, and then reloading?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 06:15
Subject: JAWS losing focus?


It seems to me that JAWS with version 17 and even more with 18,loses
focus more frequently than it used to. Is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks,



















Re: JAWS losing focus?

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
It's been my experience that it reads more during updates in settings with touch cursor. Not my favorite solution but maybe that'd help? I haven't tried it with Narrator or NVDA yet myself.
You say: "If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying to recover/reload" Yes, yes, yes I'd so love this please and thank you. I also love the idea of allowing customers to vote on prioritizing potential fixes but I'm not naïve enough to think any company would ever do it or even give lip service to doing so but it would be an interesting survey to run at least in the name of customer engagement if anyone's listening (smile).

Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, it definitely happens from time to time. I would be very happy if VFO decided not to focus on introducing a bunch of new features which may or may not be useful, but instead made a real effort to make Jaws less problematic in some isitations, here are some of my items:

Responsiveness in Word, Excel, Outlook and other office programs, especially in Outlook
Even better accessibility for OneNote which is starting to get better, but it still needs more work
Improvement with the loosing focus issue
Jaws needs to read more information in Settings, for example when an update is in progress, often you get more information with Narrator and Jaws should be at least as good as that
Better support for the Outlook.com website and Office 365 web apps
If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying to recover/reload itself
Just overall focus on making Jaws a lot more stabil and reliable, once that has been achieved VFO can look at adding some more cool features
Is there some sort of roadmap? I think it would be nice to know what VFO is working on with respect to features or to have a list of features they are looking at and allowing people to vote for them so they can see what users really want to see next.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Hi all,

JAWS has been losing focus for years and, whenever I brought it up with them, they denied it. Now, at least, they admit that there is a problem. In Windows 10, its worse than it ever was. I hope they can get their act together and, anytime soon would be good.

Ron & Danvers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?
Importance: High

The frequency of JAWS crashing and reloading, or losing focus, has dramatically increased. I don't know if it's a matter of still needing to work out how to play with Windows 10 nicely, but so far, trying to work with JAWS and Windows 10 is a great deal more frustrating than it had been in Windows 7 or 8.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Ann,

Are you sure that it's not JAWS crashing, and then reloading?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 06:15
Subject: JAWS losing focus?


It seems to me that JAWS with version 17 and even more with 18,loses
focus more frequently than it used to. Is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks,


Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Very good input, Sieghard. Please send that list to VFO.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:28
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?


Yes, it definitely happens from time to time. I would be very happy if VFO
decided not to focus on introducing a bunch of new features which may or may
not be useful, but instead made a real effort to make Jaws less problematic
in some isitations, here are some of my items:

Responsiveness in Word, Excel, Outlook and other office programs, especially
in Outlook
Even better accessibility for OneNote which is starting to get better, but
it still needs more work
Improvement with the loosing focus issue
Jaws needs to read more information in Settings, for example when an update
is in progress, often you get more information with Narrator and Jaws should
be at least as good as that
Better support for the Outlook.com website and Office 365 web apps
If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some
feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying
to recover/reload itself
Just overall focus on making Jaws a lot more stabil and reliable, once that
has been achieved VFO can look at adding some more cool features
Is there some sort of roadmap? I think it would be nice to know what VFO is
working on with respect to features or to have a list of features they are
looking at and allowing people to vote for them so they can see what users
really want to see next.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Hi all,

JAWS has been losing focus for years and, whenever I brought it up with
them, they denied it. Now, at least, they admit that there is a problem. In
Windows 10, its worse than it ever was. I hope they can get their act
together and, anytime soon would be good.

Ron & Danvers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale
Heltzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?
Importance: High

The frequency of JAWS crashing and reloading, or losing focus, has
dramatically increased. I don't know if it's a matter of still needing to
work out how to play with Windows 10 nicely, but so far, trying to work with
JAWS and Windows 10 is a great deal more frustrating than it had been in
Windows 7 or 8.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Ann,

Are you sure that it's not JAWS crashing, and then reloading?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 06:15
Subject: JAWS losing focus?


It seems to me that JAWS with version 17 and even more with 18,loses
focus more frequently than it used to. Is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks,


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Mario
 

Brian, while changing the view sort to threaded, I find that JAWS does
not read any thing when tabbing into the message list of any folder that
has been created by the user. so, the message list for local folders are
not read. the message list for the inbox, drafts, etc still read as usual.

I am using JAWS 16 and I think this problem also occurs when using NVDA,
so it's not a JAWS 18 only problem. I would imagine users of JAWS 17 are
affected also. yes, it's being worked on and I hope the fix comes out soon.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Apr 13, 2017 11:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

I've just confirmed that this is a JAWS issue with unthreaded view, at
least using JAWS 18.0, Thunderbird version 52, and Windows 10 Home
64-bit Version 1703.

It makes no difference whether the Thunderbird window is maximized or
not. If the view is unthreaded JAWS will not read anything in the inbox
list of messages. Switched to threaded it behaves normally.

This behavior is not exhibited in NVDA. I did not try Window Eyes nor
Narrator, as this is enough to confirm that the issue seems to be tied
to how JAWS interacts with unthreaded view in Thunderbird. I would
definitely get VFO tech support involved.
--
*Brian*

Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very
definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: JAWS losing focus?

 

Yes, it definitely happens from time to time. I would be very happy if VFO decided not to focus on introducing a bunch of new features which may or may not be useful, but instead made a real effort to make Jaws less problematic in some isitations, here are some of my items:

Responsiveness in Word, Excel, Outlook and other office programs, especially in Outlook
Even better accessibility for OneNote which is starting to get better, but it still needs more work
Improvement with the loosing focus issue
Jaws needs to read more information in Settings, for example when an update is in progress, often you get more information with Narrator and Jaws should be at least as good as that
Better support for the Outlook.com website and Office 365 web apps
If Jaws crashes it would be great if there were some way to have some feedback in the form of an occasional beep to show that it is still trying to recover/reload itself
Just overall focus on making Jaws a lot more stabil and reliable, once that has been achieved VFO can look at adding some more cool features
Is there some sort of roadmap? I think it would be nice to know what VFO is working on with respect to features or to have a list of features they are looking at and allowing people to vote for them so they can see what users really want to see next.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Hi all,

JAWS has been losing focus for years and, whenever I brought it up with them, they denied it. Now, at least, they admit that there is a problem. In Windows 10, its worse than it ever was. I hope they can get their act together and, anytime soon would be good.

Ron & Danvers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?
Importance: High

The frequency of JAWS crashing and reloading, or losing focus, has dramatically increased. I don't know if it's a matter of still needing to work out how to play with Windows 10 nicely, but so far, trying to work with JAWS and Windows 10 is a great deal more frustrating than it had been in Windows 7 or 8.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Ann,

Are you sure that it's not JAWS crashing, and then reloading?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 06:15
Subject: JAWS losing focus?


It seems to me that JAWS with version 17 and even more with 18,loses
focus more frequently than it used to. Is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks,


Re: Do I need Windows Creator?

Mario
 

Brian, so what is the version of the update to the Creators update after
it's been installed? last I heard it's something like 1703?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Apr 13, 2017 11:10 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Do I need Windows Creator?

With the change in update paradigm that comes with the "Windows as a
Service" philosophy the question, "Should I update?," is moot. You
will update. You can sometimes choose to postpone for a given period,
but you will update.

When it comes to the major updates like Creators Update one should
always expect the unexpected, at least a little of it, if you're in the
first wave of machines updated. I'm a professional tech geek so I
intentionally forced my machine to update on April 5th so I'd have a leg
up on any issues my clients might call about. There have been no issues
of importance at all for me (but I am sighted and don't use a screen
reader as my primary interface to the computer) and reports seem to
indicate that there have been few, not none, but few, issues for screen
reader users as well.

I always encourage folks to wait until their machine is updated via the
normal Windows Update process rather than doing what I did, and did only
for professional reasons. There has already been an update to the
Creators Update that bumps the dot number on the build number. You're
far better to be on the later phases of roll out, where the early kinks
will have been resolved, than to be in the first cohort. But, if you're
in the first cohort my feeling is accept that on the upgrade cycles when
it happens. It's a roll of the dice which machines get grouped into the
cohorts during major update roll outs.
--
*Brian*

Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very
definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Jed Barton
 

Hey there, well it says that it's control alt j. However the target box is blank.
Not sure what to make of this.

On 4/13/2017 1:25 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
Hi,

If you're using the same hot key combo in another program, it won't work. When I load a new version of JAWS, for example, I need to go to the earlier version of JAWS and remove the hot key from that version, then go to the new version and define the hot key there.

Of course, you can also use a different hot key. I think someone on this list once mentioned they use the last number of the version for that versions hot key, such as Control Alt 7 for JAWS 17 and Control Alt 8 for JAWS 18.
Hope this helps, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?






Re: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

If you're using the same hot key combo in another program, it won't work. When I load a new version of JAWS, for example, I need to go to the earlier version of JAWS and remove the hot key from that version, then go to the new version and define the hot key there.

Of course, you can also use a different hot key. I think someone on this list once mentioned they use the last number of the version for that versions hot key, such as Control Alt 7 for JAWS 17 and Control Alt 8 for JAWS 18.
Hope this helps, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?


can't get shortcut key for jaws to work

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,

OK, this makes no sense at all. Trying to get a hotkey to work with jaws 18. I go to the shortcut, and go to properties, and get to the hot key where i want to define it, hit j, so it says control alt j, then i tab to apply. Windows 10 dings at me and says i need administrative functions to make this change click continue. so i do that, go to ok button, and it doesn't work. Any ideas?


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

 

The reports of Dennis and Marsha are why I always tell my clients that they need to have another screen reader "in their back pocket" to use when things like this occur, and they do occur, and not just with JAWS.

I cannot count the number of times that I've seen specific software, websites, and whatnot behave perfectly normally with screen readers one, two, and three, but not with screen reader four.

Usually it's a matter of waiting it out until your preferred screen reader does whatever fix is necessary, but when that wait is long, you gotta have a work around.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Re: Using Jaws with Thunderbird

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

Hi
I have tried both threaded and unthreaded. There doesn't seem to be any difference. It seems that Jaws doesn't want to fix the problem just blame thunderbird.

Marsha