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moderated Making shortcut to desktop

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi list,

 

Could you please tell me how I can make shortcuts of programmes/apps on desktop?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
IE is still secure and may not even be as nosey as Chrome.
Nothing is as nosy as the Google Chrome browser, on that we agree.

However, IE cannot be considered secure by modern standards, and no matter how often anyone says, "it's secure," there is no one, including Microsoft, that recommends its ongoing use except when it's the only option.  And at this point (and that's not Microsoft's fault) it should never be "the only option."  Organizations that have sites where it still is need to have objections raised.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

Quick check reveals that IE 11 is, as of this writing, still PCI compliant.

But, as writer SteveB_85 noted on answers.microsoft.com topic, Internet Explorer 11 "will not be supported soon"?, ". . . use Internet Explorer to access apps that aren't compatible with Edge or other browsers but the recommendation from Microsoft is now only to use Internet Explorer for compatibility purposes."

And complain loudly when you have had to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

Dan Longmore
 

I understand your concerns, however IE is still secure and may not even be as nosey as Chrome.  Truth is new is not always better.  While I have switched to Chrome and Edge IE is still faithful in critical needs.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

And, seriously, when that occurs loud complaints should be made to the entities in control of those websites.

It is insane to have people forced into using what is well known to be an insecure browser to enter credit card data.  It would not shock me, though I haven't checked, that it could very well be a violation of PCI compliance to allow IE use with credit card information.

Internet Explorer is not secure, period, and it is up to entities handling financially or otherwise sensitive information to get off their duffs and update their sites to use secure and modern browsers.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

And, seriously, when that occurs loud complaints should be made to the entities in control of those websites.

It is insane to have people forced into using what is well known to be an insecure browser to enter credit card data.  It would not shock me, though I haven't checked, that it could very well be a violation of PCI compliance to allow IE use with credit card information.

Internet Explorer is not secure, period, and it is up to entities handling financially or otherwise sensitive information to get off their duffs and update their sites to use secure and modern browsers.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

Dan Longmore
 

Same experience here. IE is the default when other browsers fail. Many state agencies still rely on IE for its broad access.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i agree about i e. but...

there are still some web pages that don't work very well.
i have tried 2 times now to enter my credit card info with safeway with firefox and chrome brave and it refused to except my card. i was able to do it with i e.
neither jaws 2020 nor window eyes would work either, except with i e.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

John,

The following is not aimed at you, but at my frustration with this situation and the IDIOT who wrote that message text that's getting read.

Now Here This: You do NOT need to use IE to complete the U.S. Census online.
I completed it in Brave and know of folks who've done so in Chrome, Firefox, Edge original, and new Chromium-based edge.

This is a case where some incompetent didn't even think twice about what they were writing. Microsoft has been strongly recommending that users abandon IE for years now. To wit:



Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...
(March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer (Feb
2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and
non-expert) opinion that you should not.


--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Census survey

netbat66
 

i had no problem useing firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Binney
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

Hi John,

I did it last night and yes you must use IE. I am still using IE11 for my primary browser. From what I have read it is still secure for now.

Give Auggie hu from me.


Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@...


On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:01 PM, John Doering <John.Doering@...> wrote:





Hello:

Has anyone completed the 2020 census on line at my2020census.gov?

At the top, it asks screen reader users to use the latest version of Internet Explorer and JAWS. I wonder how secure IE is now.

Any thoughts?



Thanks,





John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org



Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated i agree about i e. but...

netbat66
 

there are still some web pages that don't work very well.
i have tried 2 times now to enter my credit card info with safeway with firefox and chrome brave and it refused to except my card. i was able to do it with i e.
neither jaws 2020 nor window eyes would work either, except with i e.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

John,

The following is not aimed at you, but at my frustration with this situation and the IDIOT who wrote that message text that's getting read.

Now Here This: You do NOT need to use IE to complete the U.S. Census online. I completed it in Brave and know of folks who've done so in Chrome, Firefox, Edge original, and new Chromium-based edge.

This is a case where some incompetent didn't even think twice about what they were writing. Microsoft has been strongly recommending that users abandon IE for years now. To wit:



Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ... (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.


--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

Michael Munn
 

hi Mr. Goldfield, I would like to join the meeting. I know a Little bit of this and a little bit of that. I hope I can be an assistance for today's conference.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:17 PM Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

I am willing you to train on Google docs if need me

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anna Givens
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

 

I might join.

This is awesome.

 

Personally, I need training on google docs or all that google crap! Lol

I have very basic JAWS skills but as a somewhat newly blind person I get very frustrated trying to figure out what JAWS is doing. I think when it speaks, I try to imagine how things look or are formatted on a page or screen, and I think that often throws me off because I am trying to compare what I hear to what I imagine is or should be on the screen, so I get quickly frustrated when it is not saying what I think it should.

Not sure if that made sense.

But yeah. Thanks for doing this. Will see how it goes.

I will share it with some people in case they want to join.

 

Anna



On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 The Covid-19 pandemic has forced many of us to spend more time at home. Some of us are now working from home. Some of us may be staying home to stay safe. Others may be at home in order to self-isolate or quarantine. Even before all of this began there have been many opportunities for online training using meeting platforms such as Zoom. Now that more of us are forced to stay in our homes the opportunities for remote training and assistance will likely increase.

A couple of weeks ago I attended my first Ibug conference where participants are encouraged to ask questions and to provide support for one another with their iOS devices. I really liked the format of the conference but I wanted to see a similar opportunity covering topics from a Windows perspective.

I decided that I’d like to host such a conference and this will likely be the first in a series of free, online tech workshops, assuming there is enough interest in such a project.

The first of these workshops is titled, “JAWS, Just Because” and is scheduled for Friday, March 20 at 8:00 PM Eastern time. This conference will allow users of the JAWS screen reader to both ask questions as well as to provide answers to those who use the JAWS screen reader. No question is too basic or too esoteric and it should be stressed that there is no such thing as a stupid question.

For this conference I’m looking for two types of participants. First, anyone with a question regarding JAWS is, of course, welcome. Second, I’m hoping that those who are knowledgeable in the use of JAWS will also consider participating to share knowledge. Due to time constraints we won’t have time to provide lengthy support or to tandem into a user’s machine. Questions which require this type of intervention would best be addressed by Vispero’s technical support.

In order to keep the conference running smoothly I am going to adopt a similar policy which has been successfully used by iBug. Users who wish to ask a question or to provide a response should say their name, as in, “This is John.” At that point please wait to be acknowledged by the host, as in, “Go ahead, John.”

I have some other ideas for similar workshops but would like to hear some of yours so that I can determine the needs that you have as well as the level of interest. With many of us working from home are there specific applications or programs that you might want some assistance with? Programs that come to mind are Slack, Teams, etc. Would there be interest in similar workshops for NVDA users?

I would also like to invite other assistive technology trainers to write to me privately if you’re interested in assisting with any of these workshops. Many of you may have some ideas which I haven’t thought of and you surely have expertise with topics which I do not. I am unable to provide any type of compensation for any assistance you may choose to provide but the point of these workshops is to provide free assistance to those who may be spending more time at home doing work or completing other tasks. This can be a stressful time for many of us. Many kind and patient people assisted me when I was first learning about assistive technology and I just want to pay it forward and give something back to the blindness community, particularly during this time when the need for some tech help may be even greater

Here is the relevant information about the upcoming conference.

 

Topic: JAWS, Just Because

Join our Zoom Meeting via the following link.

https://zoom.us/j/3565857579

 

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

 

One tap mobile

+19294362866,,3565857579# US (New York)

+13126266799,,3565857579# US (Chicago)

 

Dial by your location

 

929 436 2866 US (New York)

        +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)

        +1 301 715 8592 US

        +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)

        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

        +1 253 215 8782 US

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/alWW1tLpC

moderated Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

I am willing you to train on Google docs if need me

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anna Givens
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

 

I might join.

This is awesome.

 

Personally, I need training on google docs or all that google crap! Lol

I have very basic JAWS skills but as a somewhat newly blind person I get very frustrated trying to figure out what JAWS is doing. I think when it speaks, I try to imagine how things look or are formatted on a page or screen, and I think that often throws me off because I am trying to compare what I hear to what I imagine is or should be on the screen, so I get quickly frustrated when it is not saying what I think it should.

Not sure if that made sense.

But yeah. Thanks for doing this. Will see how it goes.

I will share it with some people in case they want to join.

 

Anna



On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 The Covid-19 pandemic has forced many of us to spend more time at home. Some of us are now working from home. Some of us may be staying home to stay safe. Others may be at home in order to self-isolate or quarantine. Even before all of this began there have been many opportunities for online training using meeting platforms such as Zoom. Now that more of us are forced to stay in our homes the opportunities for remote training and assistance will likely increase.

A couple of weeks ago I attended my first Ibug conference where participants are encouraged to ask questions and to provide support for one another with their iOS devices. I really liked the format of the conference but I wanted to see a similar opportunity covering topics from a Windows perspective.

I decided that I’d like to host such a conference and this will likely be the first in a series of free, online tech workshops, assuming there is enough interest in such a project.

The first of these workshops is titled, “JAWS, Just Because” and is scheduled for Friday, March 20 at 8:00 PM Eastern time. This conference will allow users of the JAWS screen reader to both ask questions as well as to provide answers to those who use the JAWS screen reader. No question is too basic or too esoteric and it should be stressed that there is no such thing as a stupid question.

For this conference I’m looking for two types of participants. First, anyone with a question regarding JAWS is, of course, welcome. Second, I’m hoping that those who are knowledgeable in the use of JAWS will also consider participating to share knowledge. Due to time constraints we won’t have time to provide lengthy support or to tandem into a user’s machine. Questions which require this type of intervention would best be addressed by Vispero’s technical support.

In order to keep the conference running smoothly I am going to adopt a similar policy which has been successfully used by iBug. Users who wish to ask a question or to provide a response should say their name, as in, “This is John.” At that point please wait to be acknowledged by the host, as in, “Go ahead, John.”

I have some other ideas for similar workshops but would like to hear some of yours so that I can determine the needs that you have as well as the level of interest. With many of us working from home are there specific applications or programs that you might want some assistance with? Programs that come to mind are Slack, Teams, etc. Would there be interest in similar workshops for NVDA users?

I would also like to invite other assistive technology trainers to write to me privately if you’re interested in assisting with any of these workshops. Many of you may have some ideas which I haven’t thought of and you surely have expertise with topics which I do not. I am unable to provide any type of compensation for any assistance you may choose to provide but the point of these workshops is to provide free assistance to those who may be spending more time at home doing work or completing other tasks. This can be a stressful time for many of us. Many kind and patient people assisted me when I was first learning about assistive technology and I just want to pay it forward and give something back to the blindness community, particularly during this time when the need for some tech help may be even greater

Here is the relevant information about the upcoming conference.

 

Topic: JAWS, Just Because

Join our Zoom Meeting via the following link.

https://zoom.us/j/3565857579

 

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

 

One tap mobile

+19294362866,,3565857579# US (New York)

+13126266799,,3565857579# US (Chicago)

 

Dial by your location

 

929 436 2866 US (New York)

        +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)

        +1 301 715 8592 US

        +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)

        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

        +1 253 215 8782 US

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/alWW1tLpC

moderated Re: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

James Homuth
 

Task manager. The Windows 10 version's a pile; I installed the classic
version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: March 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

How do you find this out???
At 01:35 AM 3/20/2020, you wrote:
Hey all,

So I installed the latest version of JAWS on this laptop 2 days ago.
It's been running overnight now because I'm using it for work, and I'm
noticing something odd. Usually JAWS occupies around 200 MB or so of
RAM, tops. At the minute, it's up around 4 GB of RAM. I mean, I have 16
so that's not a huge issue, but that seems slightly odd.
Anyone else having this problem? This is on Windows 10's latest build.

moderated Re: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

James Homuth
 

Pro, but you’re right, it probably doesn’t matter.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: March 20, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

 

Hi,

 

Not that it matters, but are you using windows 10 home or pro?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

 

Hey all,

 

So I installed the latest version of JAWS on this laptop 2 days ago. It’s been running overnight now because I’m using it for work, and I’m noticing something odd. Usually JAWS occupies around 200 MB or so of RAM, tops. At the minute, it’s up around 4 GB of RAM. I mean, I have 16 so that’s not a huge issue, but that seems slightly odd. Anyone else having this problem? This is on Windows 10’s latest build.

moderated Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

Anna Givens
 

I might join.
This is awesome.

Personally, I need training on google docs or all that google crap! Lol
I have very basic JAWS skills but as a somewhat newly blind person I get very frustrated trying to figure out what JAWS is doing. I think when it speaks, I try to imagine how things look or are formatted on a page or screen, and I think that often throws me off because I am trying to compare what I hear to what I imagine is or should be on the screen, so I get quickly frustrated when it is not saying what I think it should.
Not sure if that made sense.
But yeah. Thanks for doing this. Will see how it goes.
I will share it with some people in case they want to join.

Anna

On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 The Covid-19 pandemic has forced many of us to spend more time at home. Some of us are now working from home. Some of us may be staying home to stay safe. Others may be at home in order to self-isolate or quarantine. Even before all of this began there have been many opportunities for online training using meeting platforms such as Zoom. Now that more of us are forced to stay in our homes the opportunities for remote training and assistance will likely increase.

A couple of weeks ago I attended my first Ibug conference where participants are encouraged to ask questions and to provide support for one another with their iOS devices. I really liked the format of the conference but I wanted to see a similar opportunity covering topics from a Windows perspective.

I decided that I’d like to host such a conference and this will likely be the first in a series of free, online tech workshops, assuming there is enough interest in such a project.

The first of these workshops is titled, “JAWS, Just Because” and is scheduled for Friday, March 20 at 8:00 PM Eastern time. This conference will allow users of the JAWS screen reader to both ask questions as well as to provide answers to those who use the JAWS screen reader. No question is too basic or too esoteric and it should be stressed that there is no such thing as a stupid question.

For this conference I’m looking for two types of participants. First, anyone with a question regarding JAWS is, of course, welcome. Second, I’m hoping that those who are knowledgeable in the use of JAWS will also consider participating to share knowledge. Due to time constraints we won’t have time to provide lengthy support or to tandem into a user’s machine. Questions which require this type of intervention would best be addressed by Vispero’s technical support.

In order to keep the conference running smoothly I am going to adopt a similar policy which has been successfully used by iBug. Users who wish to ask a question or to provide a response should say their name, as in, “This is John.” At that point please wait to be acknowledged by the host, as in, “Go ahead, John.”

I have some other ideas for similar workshops but would like to hear some of yours so that I can determine the needs that you have as well as the level of interest. With many of us working from home are there specific applications or programs that you might want some assistance with? Programs that come to mind are Slack, Teams, etc. Would there be interest in similar workshops for NVDA users?

I would also like to invite other assistive technology trainers to write to me privately if you’re interested in assisting with any of these workshops. Many of you may have some ideas which I haven’t thought of and you surely have expertise with topics which I do not. I am unable to provide any type of compensation for any assistance you may choose to provide but the point of these workshops is to provide free assistance to those who may be spending more time at home doing work or completing other tasks. This can be a stressful time for many of us. Many kind and patient people assisted me when I was first learning about assistive technology and I just want to pay it forward and give something back to the blindness community, particularly during this time when the need for some tech help may be even greater

Here is the relevant information about the upcoming conference.

 

Topic: JAWS, Just Because

Join our Zoom Meeting via the following link.

https://zoom.us/j/3565857579

 

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

 

One tap mobile

+19294362866,,3565857579# US (New York)

+13126266799,,3565857579# US (Chicago)

 

Dial by your location

 

929 436 2866 US (New York)

        +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)

        +1 301 715 8592 US

        +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)

        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

        +1 253 215 8782 US

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/alWW1tLpC

moderated Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

I agree, this step will solve most problems copying passages from webpages while using Chrome. However, I have encountered several websites where I can't copy anything while using chrome. The Washington Post comes to mind, as does the Guardian. I can select text, but nothing happens when I press control-c. In the applications menu, "copy" is greyed out. In these cases, I have to open the same page in another browser, usually IE11, and make the copy there.

A fast way to get to the "copy" option in the JAWS quick settings menu is to type "copy" in the edit field when settings opens.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

Hi there. If you are in Chrome, you will want to change the following setting. Press Insert plus V to access the Chrome Quick Settings. In the search box, type copy. Use the arrow key to find the option that says copy find the options. If it is set to copy content from screen, hit your spacebar once. The option will change to copy from virtual cursor. Use the tab key to move to the OK button and press enter. See if this resolves your issue. Good luck!

On 3/20/20, Abraham Sweiss <abrahamsweiss8@...> wrote:
I do not know what the processes for non-US users to engage with support.

Also hopefully you’ll have better luck than I do. Every time I called,
they tandems into my computer and all of a sudden the copy started to work.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki
<nuno69a@...>
wrote:

Can I call them outside the US? I am willing to do it even now.
BTW, a funny thing has happened. Your message said something along
the lines “We can only report it to support”, right after my TTS
finished reading it I heard a message from Outlook: “Not available
outside the open message”

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham
Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

I agree. Only thing we can do is keep reporting it to support.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki
<nuno69a@...>
wrote:

I don’t like it, honestly. Is there anything we can do about it?
That’s a basic thing that should be fixed.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham
Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

I have the same issue with Firefox.
Think this is a known design flaw with jaws, which they have not been
able to fix.
Would suggest calling support to see if they can provide any help.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
wrote:

Hi list,
Sometimes when in Chrome, I cannot copy the selection to the
clipboard. It happens only with JAWS, and only with Chrome. What shall. I do?


moderated Re: Census survey

Gerald Levy
 


I was able to complete the census questionnaire online using Google Chrome with JAWS 2019 and Windows 7.  In order to access the questionnaire site, you must log in using the 12 character alphanumeric ID code that is printed on the notification you received in the mail.  A few members of another list reported trouble completing the questionnaire online using IE.  If you experience trouble completing the questionnaire online, call 844-330-2020 and explain that you are blind and would like to complete the questionnaire over the phone to avoid a visit from a census taker. Just be prepared for long wait times or disconnects because they are probably seriously shorthanded right now due to the national health crisis.  Everything seems to be in a state of confusion because nobody knows what to expect.  It may be difficult to impossible for the census bureau to obtainan accurate census count under the current circumstances.   Let's all try to stay safe and healthy.


Gerald



On 3/20/2020 2:01 PM, John Doering wrote:

Hello:

Has anyone completed the 2020 census on line at my2020census.gov?

At the top, it asks screen reader users to use the latest version of Internet Explorer and JAWS.  I wonder how secure IE is now.

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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moderated Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

Michael Mote
 

Hi there. If you are in Chrome, you will want to change the following
setting. Press Insert plus V to access the Chrome Quick Settings. In
the search box, type copy. Use the arrow key to find the option that
says copy find the options. If it is set to copy content from screen,
hit your spacebar once. The option will change to copy from virtual
cursor. Use the tab key to move to the OK button and press enter. See
if this resolves your issue. Good luck!

On 3/20/20, Abraham Sweiss <abrahamsweiss8@...> wrote:
I do not know what the processes for non-US users to engage with support.

Also hopefully you’ll have better luck than I do. Every time I called, they
tandems into my computer and all of a sudden the copy started to work.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
wrote:

Can I call them outside the US? I am willing to do it even now.
BTW, a funny thing has happened. Your message said something along the
lines “We can only report it to support”, right after my TTS finished
reading it I heard a message from Outlook: “Not available outside the open
message”

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

I agree. Only thing we can do is keep reporting it to support.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
wrote:

I don’t like it, honestly. Is there anything we can do about it? That’s a
basic thing that should be fixed.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

I have the same issue with Firefox.
Think this is a known design flaw with jaws, which they have not been able
to fix.
Would suggest calling support to see if they can provide any help.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 20, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
wrote:

Hi list,
Sometimes when in Chrome, I cannot copy the selection to the clipboard. It
happens only with JAWS, and only with Chrome. What shall. I do?


moderated Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

David Griffith
 

I am afraid for each address separately though there is an option to never block from senders domain which could include all email addresses from a particular source such as @nhs.uk or something like that.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gezim Rexha
Sent: 20 March 2020 15:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Hi David,

 

Can that fix be applied in general, or must it be done for each address separately?

 

Best regards,

Gezim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

The fix for this problem is to bring up the context menu – go to Junk and select the never block option. This adds the address to your safe senders list and should allow the download of images and prevent the annoying message.

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: 19 March 2020 23:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Hi all,

 

In addition to what was mentioned, while arrowing up and down in Outlook, JAWS says something like ‘if the message is not displayed correctly, click…’. Any solution appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Gezim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Brian, I am having the same problem as Stan. Went through the steps and got back the normal view. Then, and I’m not sure what happened, it reverted back to being arranged by date.

I will go back and go through the steps again. And please don’t snark at me, I do not need it today or any other, for that matter. Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 09:44 AM, Stan Bobbitt wrote:

Excuse me

Sorry, but it wasn't me who ignored content posted hours before, than fixed the issue, then asking for it again.  That's on you.  Read through the topics BEFORE replying.

It's just common netiquette.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

 

moderated Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

Abraham Sweiss
 

I do not know what the processes for non-US users to engage with support.

Also hopefully you’ll have better luck than I do. Every time I called, they tandems into my computer and all of a sudden the copy started to work.

Thanks,abraham 

On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

Can I call them outside the US? I am willing to do it even now.

BTW, a funny thing has happened. Your message said something along the lines “We can only report it to support”, right after my TTS finished reading it I heard a message from Outlook: “Not available outside the open message”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

 

I agree. Only thing we can do is keep reporting it to support.

Thanks,abraham 


On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

I don’t like it, honestly. Is there anything we can do about it? That’s a basic thing that should be fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot copy text in Chrome

 

I have the same issue with Firefox.
Think this is a known design flaw with jaws, which they have not been able to fix.
Would suggest calling support to see if they can provide any help.

 

Thanks,abraham 


On Mar 20, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

Hi list,

Sometimes when in Chrome, I cannot copy the selection to the clipboard. It happens only with JAWS, and only with Chrome. What shall. I do?

moderated Re: Census survey

Don H
 

I very easily completed the census on line using Google Chrome and NVDA.

On 3/20/2020 1:09 PM, Betsy Binney wrote:
Hi John,
I did it last night and yes you must use IE. I am still using IE11 for my primary browser. From what I have read it is still secure for now.
Give Auggie  hu from me.
Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@...

On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:01 PM, John Doering <John.Doering@...> wrote:



Hello:

Has anyone completed the 2020 census on line at my2020census.gov?

At the top, it asks screen reader users to use the latest version of Internet Explorer and JAWS.  I wonder how secure IE is now.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

*John Doering*
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
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moderated Re: Census survey

Loy
 


No, just Birthdays. race and sex.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Census survey

Brian:

That is exactly why I questioned it and thanks for the answer.

Another quick question about the survey.

Do you need social security numbers from persons living in your residence or any other info I may need to gather before trying to  complete the survey?

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

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Mobile:
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

 

John,

         The following is not aimed at you, but at my frustration with this situation and the IDIOT who wrote that message text that's getting read.

Now Here This:  You do NOT need to use IE to complete the U.S. Census online.  I completed it in Brave and know of folks who've done so in Chrome, Firefox, Edge original, and new Chromium-based edge.

This is a case where some incompetent didn't even think twice about what they were writing.  Microsoft has been strongly recommending that users abandon IE for years now.  To wit:

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler        (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...            (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.


--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman