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moderated Windows emoji picker

Tim Ford
 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 

There has to be a benefit involved.
If for example, he thought he was going to lose much more sight, or all of
it, that may have motivated him more.
I think it was probably more beneficial for him to believe that you can do
something that he cannot.
The benefit for sighted trainers may be that they can keep their job.
I know that in Iowa and Nebraska, if new staff does not succeed their first
three months of training with them on, they lose their job.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Shumate" <snowflake122188@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't
even last 30 minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at
the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information,
it
was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
Technology
is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent
of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684











--


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:52 AM, David Diamond wrote:
For the trainer to wear a blind fold it shows whether the dog is indeed guiding them properly or they are in a sense directing the dog.
-
David, in that context, it makes perfect sense.  It's a test of both trainer and trainee where one knows the actual end-user of the trainee has no sight.

My central point is that instant, artificial removal of a sense one has generally has little utility as far as "making someone know what it's like" for someone living, long term, with loss (or never having had) that same sense.   It certainly gives a sense, and an accurate one, of what it's like in the early days of someone who finds themselves having lost a sense very suddenly, which can be useful as a teaching tool, but it's a mistake to believe that what you get from the person so artificially deprived is any sense of what it's like to live with something permanent and over the long term.

I have had a number of people argue that I simply cannot know that it is to be a screen reader user unless I blindfold myself.  And my response is I cannot know what it is to be a screen reader user, period.  If I'm blindfolded, I'm instantly deprived of a sense I use to figure out what's happening in my world normally, including at times with a screen reader (I'd say most times, as I use things like Focus Highlight in NVDA and the analog in JAWS).  My normal modus operandi is as a sighted person, and I cannot and will not ever know, in any meaningful sense, what it is to be blind unless I were to become so.  And when I have to operate in an artificial state of sensory deprivation, that's not representative of "normal life" for those who are constantly in that state in any way.  The degree of frustration and panic may be representative of "a stage," but not of long term living, and that stage is far more fraught than what develops after compensatory skills are developed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


Exactly, the blindfold does not give anyone the experience of being Blind, for the reason you mentioned.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

The school that requires all students to wear a blind fold does this so everyone is on a level playing field.  True instructors can do wear a blind fold, but they can take it off at the end of the day.  Apparently at one school, a trainer took the blind fold off right away because she panicked.  Must be nice to get your sight back and have that ability.  Grin. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


In Nebraska and Iowa and some other states, the state rehab agency makes all new staff spend their first three months of work, in training with blindfolds.
The wind up not being experts in Blindness skills, but fair, and confident in teaching the skills because they know how well they work.
I think that TVI  as well as O&M instructors should be required to do this as well.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Here is a twist, A group of O & M instructors were at a seminare with some of their students.  The power went out and they panicked.  They went so far as to put candles on the rug so they could be guided by the candle light.  One of their students offered to guide them, they declined.  Point?  This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in? I think it is excellent that a teacher of VIPs wants to join a list like this because it gives him or her insight into our world.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.

In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight.

If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.

Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it.

And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

Some don't even last that long, maybe 5 minutes if that. Grin. The trainer I mentioned it was said took the blind fold off after 30 seconds even though she was supposed to keep it on. s

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 10:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't even last 30
minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
> A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day
> at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive
> home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with
> visual information, it was over whelming to her.
>
> -----Original Message----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
> Shumate
> Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
> I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
> Technology is a cool thing.
> I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he
> said after a day he wanted no more to do with it.
> Laura Shumate
> snowflake122188@gmail.com
> Business Phone: 254-300-7667
> Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
> sight.
> > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> > gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
> would
> be no way to police it.
> > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> > problem lister.
> > Glenn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Randy Barnett
> > To: main@jfw.groups.io
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
> >
> >
> > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
> >
> >
> > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
> >
> >
> > I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> > Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> > are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the
Microsoft
> > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> > could see it I would not be calling your department.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
> > Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> > To: main@jfw.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
> >
> > I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> > --
> >
> > Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
> >
> > One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> > the shore for a very long time.
> >
> > ~ André Gide
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Laura Shumate
> snowflake122188@gmail.com
> Business Phone: 254-300-7667
> Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

For the trainer to wear a blind fold it shows whether the dog is indeed guiding them properly or they are in a sense directing the dog.  Some students have washed out at a guide dog school because they see an object such as a lamp post and to the sighted or ones who have residual vision it looks like the dog will run them right into it.  One student was constantly overriding the dog’s directions because he, the student saw the object and decided that the dog was not going to guide him around it.  I never forgot the incident where the person driving me to pick up supplies saw my guide dog and I headed for a cement garbage can at quite a speed, he said,, “I was too far away to yell out anything then your dog just took you around it.  I almost had a heart attack watching the entire thing unfold.” Getting back to screen readers, I do have some residual vision and can see things on the display it is just after about 30 seconds of reading something my eyes get tired, thus just use JAWS instead.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 28, 2021 7:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:40 AM, David Diamond wrote:

This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in?

-
Fear sets in, which is entirely natural, as anyone I've ever known who was sighted and lost it will tell you.

I really don't get how there is not an understanding that sighted O&M teachers can know how to teach skills that they, themselves, are not using moment to moment, because they don't need to.  And when you don't need to do something, constantly, to negotiate your world it doesn't "come naturally" in exception circumstances.

We all operate with the sensory palette that we actually possess, no matter how we came to possess it, and if one of those is suddenly removed due to a temporary circumstance it tends to naturally make one uneasy, regardless of what one may know about compensatory strategies for that loss, even with in-depth knowledge in the abstract.

Think about how it would be for you to suddenly have no hearing by artificial means and have to operate in that way for a couple of hours.  It's not a realistic facsimile of how someone who's deaf actually operates in daily life if they've been deaf for any period of time.  Instant deprivation of a sense puts anyone who's experiencing it way off-kilter, and I'm certain a lot of people here know that all too well.  But that's not representative of what it is to live with it long term, as you adjust and become more skilled.  That's why I don't see why the "let's blindfold 'em" schemes are believed to be helpful or representative of anything other than "the panicked stage of being quickly deprived of a sense you normally depend on."  And I've seen very few panicked people be particularly good at anything.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Mario
 

Debby, to get back into the website where you can navigate as usual, you can press alt+d which puts you into the address bar and then shift+f6.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Debby Hill [mailto:dm-hill@comcast.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 10:14 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Adrian, thanks for the reminder on the system menu. I knew I needed to look at that, but was having brain freeze on how to get there.

Chris, both methods for doing the find actually do find what I am looking for, but to get to the results I have to press F6 and cycle through all of the bars to get back on the webpage with the result. JAWS or edge, I don't know which, gets stuck on the top line of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing will move it from there.

Thanks for all of the help!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect? If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge. I'd call fs if that is the case.



On 1/28/2021 08:14, Debby Hill wrote:
I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no
go! I am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS
says "JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find
feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in
virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to
use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly
large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a
page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither
arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get
to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem
it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop
computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different
braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the
chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control +
insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

























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moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:40 AM, David Diamond wrote:
This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in?
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Fear sets in, which is entirely natural, as anyone I've ever known who was sighted and lost it will tell you.

I really don't get how there is not an understanding that sighted O&M teachers can know how to teach skills that they, themselves, are not using moment to moment, because they don't need to.  And when you don't need to do something, constantly, to negotiate your world it doesn't "come naturally" in exception circumstances.

We all operate with the sensory palette that we actually possess, no matter how we came to possess it, and if one of those is suddenly removed due to a temporary circumstance it tends to naturally make one uneasy, regardless of what one may know about compensatory strategies for that loss, even with in-depth knowledge in the abstract.

Think about how it would be for you to suddenly have no hearing by artificial means and have to operate in that way for a couple of hours.  It's not a realistic facsimile of how someone who's deaf actually operates in daily life if they've been deaf for any period of time.  Instant deprivation of a sense puts anyone who's experiencing it way off-kilter, and I'm certain a lot of people here know that all too well.  But that's not representative of what it is to live with it long term, as you adjust and become more skilled.  That's why I don't see why the "let's blindfold 'em" schemes are believed to be helpful or representative of anything other than "the panicked stage of being quickly deprived of a sense you normally depend on."  And I've seen very few panicked people be particularly good at anything.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby Hill
 

Adrian, thanks for the reminder on the system menu. I knew I needed to look at that, but was having brain freeze on how to get there.

Chris, both methods for doing the find actually do find what I am looking for, but to get to the results I have to press F6 and cycle through all of the bars to get back on the webpage with the result. JAWS or edge, I don't know which, gets stuck on the top line of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing will move it from there.

Thanks for all of the help!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect? If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge. I'd call fs if that is the case.



On 1/28/2021 08:14, Debby Hill wrote:
I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no
go! I am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS
says "JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find
feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in
virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to
use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly
large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a
page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither
arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get
to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem
it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop
computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different
braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the
chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control +
insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby














moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Adrian Spratt
 

A way you can confirm if a window is maximized is by going into the system menu with alt-space. Here, you arrow up or down through a few options, one of which is maximized.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go.

Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to maximize the window on startup of edge. No go.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby,

Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Mario
 

I don't believe it does. an alternate way to maximize is to press alt+spacebar x.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Debby Hill [mailto:dm-hill@comcast.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 9:50 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go.

Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not
sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to
maximize the window on startup of edge. No go.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby,

Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the
page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a
page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says
"JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature
using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc
mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large
webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems
that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up
or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6
to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it
should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and
changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using
usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium
browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F
instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby
























.


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Chris Hill
 

Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect?  If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge.  I'd call fs if that is the case.

On 1/28/2021 08:14, Debby Hill wrote:
I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says
"JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature
using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc
mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large
webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems
that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up
or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6
to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it
should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and
changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using
usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium
browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F
instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby













moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby Hill
 

Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go.

Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not
sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to
maximize the window on startup of edge. No go.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby,

Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the
page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a
page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says
"JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature
using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc
mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large
webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems
that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up
or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6
to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it
should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and
changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using
usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium
browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F
instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Adrian Spratt
 

Debby,

Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi Mark,

 

I’m having somewhat similar problems with JAWS 2021, and I also end up reverting to 2020.

 

Regarding messages with tables, I suggest opening up a message, any message, and pressing JAWS key+v to open JAWS quick settings. Type “table” into the search field, and then arrow down through the options. Actually, I’ve just checked my notes of previous posts that have worked for me, and I’ll copy them here:

 

Bill white. Try opening Outlook. Press JAWS key plus V for Quick Settings. In the search box, type table detection

Uncheck this option, TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

See if this allows your email to be read correctly.

Another answer. If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  

 

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moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Michael Mote
 

Hi Debbie. I am sure you have already tried this, but are you sure that your browser is maximized. Windows plus up arrow should do it for you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

 

Hi all,

 

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

 

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

 

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

 

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby Hill
 

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says
"JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature
using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc
mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large
webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems
that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up
or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6
to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it
should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and
changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using
usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium
browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F
instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Mario
 

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual
pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly
large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a
page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither
arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get
to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars
until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is
time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is
happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop
computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different
braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the
chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control +
insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

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