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Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Maria Campbell
 

Come on. We should have choices, like anyone else.

Security products are not being forced to be made accessible.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:32 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Maria,
Here is how the market works. If an antivirus is not accessible, don't buy
it. They are who are missing the opportunity to sale you something. It is
not the accessibility mistake, it is their choice to make a product
accessible or not. You are who have the money that all of them want, but
they don't have what you want. Then your choices are to use the software
that is free, and that is fully accessible. What else you want?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

I know that, but if I wanted to purchase a product, most, if not all are not
accessible.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Maria,
Windows defender is fully accessible, and it is free.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web
development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto
this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can
they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most
part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to
make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved
with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started
accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am
not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all
of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often
great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who
can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any
more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will
develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with
these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets
older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was
almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had
no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a
phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see
well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but
of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be
important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap
forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that
in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we
all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.
I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.
lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in
small
things, it does not exist at all.
On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W























Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Pablo Morales
 

Maria,
Here is how the market works. If an antivirus is not accessible, don't buy
it. They are who are missing the opportunity to sale you something. It is
not the accessibility mistake, it is their choice to make a product
accessible or not. You are who have the money that all of them want, but
they don't have what you want. Then your choices are to use the software
that is free, and that is fully accessible. What else you want?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

I know that, but if I wanted to purchase a product, most, if not all are not
accessible.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Maria,
Windows defender is fully accessible, and it is free.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web
development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto
this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can
they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most
part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to
make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved
with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started
accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am
not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all
of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often
great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who
can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any
more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will
develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with
these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets
older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was
almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had
no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a
phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see
well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but
of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be
important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap
forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that
in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we
all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.
I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.

lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in
small
things, it does not exist at all.
On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W





















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Maria Campbell
 

We should not have only one choice.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:29 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
I know that, but if I wanted to purchase a product, most, if not all are not accessible.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Maria,
Windows defender is fully accessible, and it is free.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.
I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.

lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.
On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W




















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Pablo Morales
 

Yes Sieghard, it is fully accessible. I remove all antivirus software from
what ever computer I use and enable windows defender.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Is it not accessible? I haven't used a third party application probably in 8
or 10 years, but Windows Defender seems to work fine on its automatic
schedule and while I rarely find the need to actually open it I just did and
Jaws had no issues with reading the various areas of the application as I
tabbed through it, I can do a quick or full scan etc. What are the problems
you have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W
















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Maria Campbell
 

I know that, but if I wanted to purchase a product, most, if not all are not accessible.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 5:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Maria,
Windows defender is fully accessible, and it is free.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.
I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.

lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.
On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W




















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Pablo Morales
 

Maria,
Windows defender is fully accessible, and it is free.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling
they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they
acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development
and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this
bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web
developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they
make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20
years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W
















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Pablo Morales
 

I would like to add one more thing.
Companies are understanding that they are going to sale more products, if
they can increase the number of customers, inserting disability customers to
the list. I am totally blind, and if I going to buy a sound system, and I
see that the sound system that I want has no way to be used by a blind user.
Well, I will not buy it. But if another company is able to let me use their
sound system using my smart phone, then I will get that sound system, no
matter if it is more expensive. Here is where the opportunity cost plays an
important roll.
Companies are understanding that today more disability people is going to
school, more disability people is been productive, and it means that they
have money in their pockets. Business want that money, so they are looking
the way to sale us something. It will be through the accessibility of their
products.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling they
are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they acquired is
in the business of trying to promote accessible web development and I think
it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this bandwagon.
They know that the more websites are made accessible by web developers and
the more there are standards being used, the better can they make Jaws to
work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20 years
between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W








Re: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

Gerald Levy
 

The Captcha Be Gone site appears to be up again, so give it a try.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: N K Shackelford
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

I just went to what was supposed to be the site for this Captcha Be
Gone, and the page cannot be displayed. Does anyone have a good link
to download this?

On 5/7/17, paul lemm <paul.lemm@sky.com> wrote:
Although I don't have a web site with a capture to try, I tried using it
earlier this week in the most recent version of Firefox and its definitely
not working., in fact if you try any of the web visem shortcut keys none of
them work any longer. It must be a fairly recent change though as I did
use it successfully last month, shame this is gone as it’s a tool I often
use, definitely hope it is fixed

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: 07 May 2017 06:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

Could somebody provide a website with a captcha? I hate them when they show
up, but can't find one right now to try Webvisum. I use Firefox 53.0.2 and
could have sworn not long ago I successfully used Webvisum.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

oh, by the way, I know because I emailed James 2wo or three times about
this.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:11 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

there is, but that applied to when Firefox reached version 43. and
incidentally, the unsigned Web Visum was just basically signed by James
Scholes so WV was revived. and the Mozilla/Firefox ADO team/developer
signed and updated WV, so there are two signed versions; 0.92 and
0.95...now that FF reached version 53, FF requires extensions to use the
web API rather than the addon API. right now WV is still available thru
FF's addon manager, but that will change when FF reaches version 57 on
November 14 this year.

all we can do is to urge the Mozilla/Firefox ADO team/developers to
retool Web Visum to make use of the web extension API and hope WV lives
again.

James hasn't got the time, know how, or inclination since CAPTCHA be
Gone is available.

if you don't want to wait and are ready to bite the bullet, the best bet
is to purchase and setup CAPTCHA be Gone to solve those visual CAPTCHAs
on websites who still use them.

Rumola hasn't been updated since 2014, so who knows if it still works.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Barnett [mailto:randy@soundtique.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:42 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

I thought there was a updated version with a digital signature that
allows it to work now.
here is some info from Brian I be leave.

If you do not already have a Webvisum account, which is free, you must
request an invitation to get one

either here:http://www.webvisum.com/main/invitationrequest, or by asking
someone you know who already has an account to log in and generate an
invitation for you.The latter technique will probably get you a faster
response.

The WebVisum invitation request is a 3-field form asking for your name,
e-mail address, and that you enter a comment of some sort in the third
field.

After getting the invitation you register here:

http://www.webvisum.com/en/main/register

Apparently, the developers of Webvisum finally decided to release a
digitally signed version of this add-on and updated the version number
to 0.9.5.You can get it here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webvisum/

yet it does not turn up in an add-ons search on “WebVisum” (regardless
of whether you mix case or not).

A programmer named James Scholes made a version of the Webvisum Firefox
add-on that is digitally signed so that newer versions of Firefox can
install it that’s based on the version 0.9.2.

See the article entitled, */Webvisum CAPTCHA Solver Returns to Firefox
<http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142>/*, on
blindbargains.com for full details.

The direct download link for his XPI install file is:
http://jscholes.net/webvisum-0.9.2-fx.xpi


m

On 5/6/2017 1:50 PM, Mario wrote:
unfortunately, Firefox 53 does not allow Web Visum to work. although a
portable version of Firefox 45.8 is the last version that will allow Web
Visum to work.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 4:41 PM EST
To:main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to capture code on web page that have no audio challenge

Webvisum only works with Firefox. Go tohttps://www.webvisum.com/ you
will have to both create an account with them and install the plug-in.

On 5/6/17, Adekoya Rasak<rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

I stumbled on a website and I need to fill the code which is a
challenge. it has no audio challenge. How can I go about it?

I was once told webvisum. how do I install it? which browser does it work
with?

Please help.

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Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

paul lemm
 

hi,

well said Sieghard, although I always think there is room for improvement ,
I think it's amazing what accessibility leaps forward have been made in the
last 10 years, I think about all the appts on my phone to read documents,
apps to photograph objects and be told what they are, even software that
will tell you what's in a picture or how old someone is in a picture,
there's the seeing AI glasses Microsoft are working on that will even go as
far as telling you someones age and expression, huge increase in the amount
of audio books and audio described movies , yes we may be a little behind
what some sighted people have access to , but I think it's amazing how much
work big companies are putting into accessibility , yes its still got a long
way to go but it definitely feels like progress and I do believe apple and
Steve jobbs had a lot to do with how much accessibility has improved in this
time and I hope we continue to see accessibility move forward in this
direction.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: 07 May 2017 21:04
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling they
are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they acquired is
in the business of trying to promote accessible web development and I think
it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this bandwagon.
They know that the more websites are made accessible by web developers and
the more there are standards being used, the better can they make Jaws to
work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites.
They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web
accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part
are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an
organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make
their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with
consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8
years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply
because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google
and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility
departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not
surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of
these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great
rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can
push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I
am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I
believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more
and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop
to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is
required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty
sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these
companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as
they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older
and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for
accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with
technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and
early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their
late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost
60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no
problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8
years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer
and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely
capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone
call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56,
Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well
enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the
accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of
course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the
issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I
really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important
by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20 years
between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward
accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in
another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all
look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own
self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be
darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have
huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless
connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing
technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply
integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is
developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of
technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W








Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

 

Is it not accessible? I haven't used a third party application probably in 8 or 10 years, but Windows Defender seems to work fine on its automatic schedule and while I rarely find the need to actually open it I just did and Jaws had no issues with reading the various areas of the application as I tabbed through it, I can do a quick or full scan etc. What are the problems you have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites. They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8 years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost 60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8 years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56, Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20 years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office 365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W
















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Maria Campbell
 

OK. Whew!


So how about someone make virus protection accessible?


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 4:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites. They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8 years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost 60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8 years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56, Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20 years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office 365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W















Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

 

I think VFO as Pablo said has some good leadership and I have a feeling they are thinking ahead. It sounds to me like this organisation they acquired is in the business of trying to promote accessible web development and I think it is very encouraging for a company like VFO to jump onto this bandwagon. They know that the more websites are made accessible by web developers and the more there are standards being used, the better can they make Jaws to work with said standards in accessibility.
One example of what is possible is shown by canadian government websites. They are committed to be accessible and just about all of them follow web accessibility standards, have accessibility statements and for the most part are fully accessible and easy to navigate. This means that if an organisation, in this case the canadian government, makes a decision to make their websites accessible it is apparently possible and can be achieved with consistancy and a high degree of success.
Apple started the entire out of the box accessibility experience just 8 years ago and I think some pretty good advancements have been made simply because pretty much all of the other big players (Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft) have followed Apple's example and have started accessibility departments where a team of people specifically works on the issue. I am not surprised that sometimes there is a stumble or even a step back since all of these large organisations consist of many departments, there is often great rivalry between teams and sometimes outright pissing contests to see who can push through their agenda and a relatively small team like accessibility I am sure is still considered relatively unimportant by other teams. But I believe that now that this door has been opened it can't be closed any more and in time accessibility will continue to improve, technology will develop to consider accessibility from the ground up so that whatever work that is required wil simply be part of the development. One reason why I am pretty sure this is happening is the fact that many in leading positions with these companies are people who themselves may benefit from this accessibility as they get older, things like visual impairments as the population gets older and older will be more common and there will simply be a greater need for accessibility and those who need it will be people who grew up with technology unlike people like my parents who are now in their mid 70's and early 80's and who did not have this technology until they were in their late 50's at best. I taught my Mom how to use a computer when she was almost 60 and bought her an iPad when she was almost 70, because of this she had no problem buying and using an iPhone last year. My Dad, however, is almost 8 years older and he was never interested when my Mom first got her computer and now at 82 he has no interest and little understanding and he's barely capable of tapping the large button on my Mom's iPhone 6S Plus when a phone call comes in.
Now take people like Tim Cook or Zuckerberg, the former is now 56, Zuckerberg is not even 43, but you can bet that if they ever can't see well enough any more to use technology when they are 80 will want to have the accessibility in place to do so. In Cook's case this is 20 years away but of course several of these important people may also simply be exposed to the issue because family or friends close to them may have disabilities and I really think that accessibility at this point is considered to be important by most of them.
Lastly, consider how relatively little advancemens were made in the 20 years between say the late 80's and 2008/2009 and how much of a leap forward accessibility has taken in the last 7 or 8 years. I guaranty anybody that in another 10 years when we get close to reaching the next 20 year mark we all look back and shake our heads. Maybe we won't quite jump into our own self-driving electric cars in 10 years to drive to work, but we might be darn close. We have incredibly powerful processing capabilities, we have huge and inexpensive storage and we have fast and reliable wireless connections which are only getting faster. All of this is maturing technology which will make it possible for accessibility to be more deeply integrated.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office 365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Just as two examples, They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W








Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

Office 2013 is a kludge, to me, because it seems to be thrown together with features that are no longer even close to being uniform across the applications and with changes that don't make sense.
For instance, in Word's spell checker, JAWS no longer consistently lands on the misspelled word, and reading the word-in-context fails most of the time.
More often than not, I end up using the alt+shift+l option to list misspellings.
In addition, to select a correct spelling option, one simply presses the letter "c," not alt + c. In Outlook, however, one still presses Alt+ the appropriate letters, e.g., "c" for correction and "g" to ignore.
Why would the commands have changed between the two applications unless pieces were thrown together without regard for consistency?
The ribbon options have also changed for no apparent reason. Now, using track changes, the various display options have, mostly, nonsensical names. The terms are less descriptive, but they do pretty much the same things. The legal blackline functionality has now changed for no explicable reason. Instead of comparing the current document against another one, one has to compare two independently saved files. This adds keystrokes or mouse clicks for no reason.
I don't have Word 2016. So, I cannot comment on it. I would hope, however, that with three additional years, some of the more stupid quirks would be fixed.
I fear, however, that even more stupid ones were introduced.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

Ed, could you expand on why Word 2013 is a kind of kluge? and would you suggest to use Word 2016, or stay with 2010, and why?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marquette, Ed [mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:24 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

I would be reluctant to try JAWS 15 with Windows 10. FS claimed substantial changes were made in JAWS 16 to make it work with Windows 10.
JAWS 18 has its problems, but JAWS 18 did, for the most part, fix the screw-ups in track change recognition in JAWS 16 and 17.
It isn't completely fixed yet, but at least one can tell when something has been deleted and something has been added to the main body of text.
In JAWS 16 and 17, that was broken, with JAWS mislabeling text.
Track changes still doesn't work in footnotes, but there is still a huge improvement.
Except for track change recognition, I see no reason to progress past JAWS 17. You should be just fine with Word 2010. In fact, I would skip past Word 2013, which is a kind of kluge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

It's my understanding that JAWS 16, the last release, is the first JAWS that works with windows 10.
At 08:37 AM 5/7/2017, you wrote:
Hello,

Currently I have Windows 7, Jaws 15, and MS Word 2010 on an HP laptop.

I will be getting a Dell laptop with an I5 processor, 8 gb of RAM, and Windows 10 Pro with the plan to stay with Jaws 15 and MS Word 2010.

Can anybody tell me if this combination will work well together? Also, is there a huge difference between Jaws 15 vs Jaws
18 regarding the capability of what I'm able to do?

I work from home and want to make sure that I have a setup that will work well for at least several years without major problems or issues.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Laura







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Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

 

I agree with Bill, might as well get with the program and learn Windows 10 which really is not a big learning curve in my opinion from Windows 7. Yes, you need at least Jaws 16 upgraded to the latest version, but once again, eventually you do have to upgrade and maintaining a Jaws home software maintenance agreement for $100 or $120 every two years in my opinion is not that big of a burdon, most people spend more than that on coffee in a couple months.
I have Windows 10 Creator's update running on a 5-year old laptop and also on a more or less brandnew fairly high-end laptop and don't experience any of the frequent crashing issues you mention, Randy, in fact, currently I experience more problems on two of my Windows 7 computers at work which goes to show that whether one has issues or not depends hugely on each individual situation and installation. Overall I would say Windows 10 is faster and more stabil than Windows 7 any day.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

Yes, and hopefully in 3yres, win 10 accessibility will improve and Jaws will be more stable. I have frequent pauses and crashes right now on two different machines.
Office 2013 runs better on my win 7 machine with Jaws 18 than it does on win 10. I have win 7 on my business machine and win 10 on two other machines...
On 5/7/2017 10:02 AM, Bill White wrote:
Only problem is that in three years, Windows 7 will no longer be supported.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 9:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

If this is for work I would stick with win 7. The learning curve and added expense of jaws 18 aren't worth the pain you will go through with win 10.









Re: jaws and kindle;

Soronel Haetir
 

They say it is with jaws 18 but it requires that the publisher allows
it to work and none of the kindle content I have is so marked, even
though I have plenty that works with the kindle accessibility version.

On 5/7/17, david <davidmac1957@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all;
Is it possible to read books with kindle reader using jaws?


       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Tom Behler
 

Exactly, because I have to say that I'm experiencing more and more
difficulty that appears to be related to Jaws not keeping up with Office
365, which I currently use.

I'm not saying this to complain; I'm just noting it as an
increasingly-significant reality that we all face.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of keeping
up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W








Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

You're exactly right Maria. The blind are always playing catch up. 3 steps
forward, and 2 steps back!
Damn shame indeed!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of
keeping up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box,
preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small
things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm
providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises
throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W








Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Yes, and hopefully in 3yres, win 10 accessibility will improve and Jaws will be more stable. I have frequent pauses and crashes right now on two different machines.
Office 2013 runs better on my win 7 machine with Jaws 18 than it does on win 10. I have win 7 on my business machine and win 10 on two other machines...

On 5/7/2017 10:02 AM, Bill White wrote:
Only problem is that in three years, Windows 7 will no longer be supported.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 9:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws, windows & MS Word combination

If this is for work I would stick with win 7. The learning curve and added expense of jaws 18 aren't worth the pain you will go through with win 10.








Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Maria Campbell
 

They might be very smart, but what we need is developers capable of keeping up with, or driving accessibility of technology, out of the box, preferably.


lucky1inct@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.

On 5/7/2017 1:06 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W







Re: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

Pablo Morales
 

This guys are very smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group

So what do you guys and gals think this means to us?
VFO has acquired the Pacielo Group, the software accessibility firm providing website and application compliance solutions to enterprises throughout the world:
.?
http://bit.ly/2qtVQ8W