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Re: Vocalizors and their people

Sharon
 

I'd marry Daniel I think if he were real.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John Cribbs
of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY the
way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian, you
know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult is
set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use any
of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented voices
on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and Australian male,
voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy. Everyone's mileage
will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I use
with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly when
it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word levels to be
remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a lot
of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution
is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Tony
 

I don't have a problem with drivers disappearing. In my case the default output device changes from time to time. I finally figured out that if it quits talking, plug into another output device.

This started happening after a Dell update. Their tech removed some of the excess drivers and assured me it can't happen again. It did.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 7 VS win 10

That would be very frustrating. I heard using USB headphones can get you out of a situation like that by at least getting jaws talking to you so you can reinstall your sound card drivers.
On 5/24/2017 1:49 PM, Bill White wrote:
The one thing I've noticed with my Windows 10 is that every now and then, my sound drivers mysteriously disappear, and someone from my computer store must go into my computer remotely and reinstall all the sound drivers again. The last time this happened, all I was doing was to update JAWS to the latest update. I was using the .exe file, not the update option in JAWS.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 7 VS win 10

Hi, I have been using win 10 for a couple of months now. I am running on the latest generation hardware and I dont see any real improvement over win 7. Actually my perceived acessibility is grater in win 7. Programs and Jaws play nicer together and I dont have to deal with Edge at all. Is this just me or do any of you have a simular experience?
Just trying to get a feel for others experiences. :)









Re: Jaws find and find next

Don H
 

My confusion was that in the Jaws help documentation it shows Jaws key F3 as the find next command when in fact it is only F3 when using it in a web browser. Beginning to think that the documentation for Jaws is somewhat lacking but also know that keeping the documentation current is a major task in itself.

On 5/24/2017 7:29 PM, Chris G wrote:
Hi,
From what I have seen, the JAWS find and find next commands work well in Firefox and Chrome as well as Internet Explorer.
Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next
Hi, Don. When using Internet Explorer 11, CONTROL plus F works fine for the find command, and F3 works well for the Find Again command. I don't know which browser you are trying to use, but maybe there is a problem with your Windows 10, or maybe you are using another browser besides IE11 which doesn't work well with the F3 Find Again command.
Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next
Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I
understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F.
I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well
when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if
you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for
searching a web page.


Re: Quicken

Mario
 

Chris, I assume you use MT? is it better to use it with the built in
voicing feature or turn it off and use a screen reader like JAWS or NVDA?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris G [mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:34 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Hi Robin,
What about something like Money Talks from APH?
http://tech.aph.org/mt_info.htm
It is a pretty accessible program and sounds like it may do what you want.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
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https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while
actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer
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downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
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Facebook: mysticaccessempower


-------- Original Message --------
From: Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:07 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Keep us posted on how you get along with Q 2017.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Thanks to Les and Stan. That sounds about like the access I had with
Window Eyes. Quicken is offering a 60-day money back guarantee on
trying Quicken 2017 and they say they've revamped the interface, which
could go either way on accessibility. I lost a year's worth of Quicken
files due to a computer crash last summer, so I'm going to start fresh
and maybe given Quicken 2017 a try. I tried the Cash Manager software
someone else mentioned and didn't have the patience to figure it out; it
was not intuitive. Like Les, I'm mainly tracking spending categories
for my accountant and our family budgeting.





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Les
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Hi Robin,

I'm using it for downloading of transactions into various accounts. You
can tab through the check registries, but often, double entries are read.
Accessibility needs lots of work. As mentioned, Intuit sold the Quicken
product to Quicken itself. The web site is quicken.com. They provide
support, but it depends on who you get when you call. I use it now
because I want to categorize transactions for tax purposes for our
accountant. If there was another viable option, I'd take it. I will
probably add investment accounts to my accounts list, something I don't
think other programs support. Cash Management had some potential, but
they didn't support the Quicken format, and there was poor follow-up
from their contact when I approached them about this issue. Every
package I know of supports the Quicken format, so that was
disappointing. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Anyone using JAWS with Quicken? I'll be moving to JAWS from
Window-Eyes, which has some level of accessibility with the personal
Quicken.







Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@key.com





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Re: Win 7 VS win 10

 

Mario,

         I can't answer your question.  The links I post are direct download links for MS-Word documents that reside on my Google Drive.  In any browser when I activate them what pops up is the "Save" dialog that allows you to navigate to wherever you want to save the document and save it.

         These have been the same "forever" now and the behavior has been 100% consistent when I test it under Firefox, Chrome, Edge, or IE11.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Mario
 

hey Brian, I tried to get the document from the link. it opens Internet
Explorer and JAWS does ask what do I want to do, but I cannot get to
those choices by pressing alt+n or f6. plus the downloads manager is
automatically opened when JAWS says the message. so I copied the address
and pasted it into the address bar of Internet Explorer, but when I
pressed enter, I got an HTTP 400 Bad Request message. Firefox gave the
same message. so what's up with that?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:18 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 7 VS win 10

Bill,

Take a look at:

Preventing Windows Update from Updating Device Drivers (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnORnNvTldhSzJFY00
)

It's the only workaround I know of, and I'm not 100% certain that it
works like it did in the early Versions of Windows 10, but it can't hurt
to try.
--
*Brian* Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution
is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Quicken

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

Hi Robin,
What about something like Money Talks from APH?
http://tech.aph.org/mt_info.htm
It is a pretty accessible program and sounds like it may do what you want.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500)
Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower

-------- Original Message --------
From: Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:07 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Keep us posted on how you get along with Q 2017.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Thanks to Les and Stan. That sounds about like the access I had with Window Eyes. Quicken is offering a 60-day money back guarantee on trying Quicken 2017 and they say they've revamped the interface, which could go either way on accessibility. I lost a year's worth of Quicken files due to a computer crash last summer, so I'm going to start fresh and maybe given Quicken 2017 a try. I tried the Cash Manager software someone else mentioned and didn't have the patience to figure it out; it was not intuitive. Like Les, I'm mainly tracking spending categories for my accountant and our family budgeting.





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quicken

Hi Robin,

I'm using it for downloading of transactions into various accounts. You can tab through the check registries, but often, double entries are read.
Accessibility needs lots of work. As mentioned, Intuit sold the Quicken product to Quicken itself. The web site is quicken.com. They provide support, but it depends on who you get when you call. I use it now because I want to categorize transactions for tax purposes for our accountant. If there was another viable option, I'd take it. I will probably add investment accounts to my accounts list, something I don't think other programs support. Cash Management had some potential, but they didn't support the Quicken format, and there was poor follow-up from their contact when I approached them about this issue. Every package I know of supports the Quicken format, so that was disappointing. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken

Anyone using JAWS with Quicken? I'll be moving to JAWS from Window-Eyes, which has some level of accessibility with the personal Quicken.







Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@key.com





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Re: Jaws find and find next

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

Hi,
From what I have seen, the JAWS find and find next commands work well in Firefox and Chrome as well as Internet Explorer.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
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Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next

Hi, Don. When using Internet Explorer 11, CONTROL plus F works fine for the find command, and F3 works well for the Find Again command. I don't know which browser you are trying to use, but maybe there is a problem with your Windows 10, or maybe you are using another browser besides IE11 which doesn't work well with the F3 Find Again command.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next

Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I
understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F.
I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well
when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if
you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for
searching a web page.


Re: system tray

Pablo Morales
 

Are you working on a laptop?
Maybe the F11 should be enable pressing the function key?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: system tray

The help file regarding Jaws keystrokes says that either Jaws key F11 or control shift F11 is supposed to read all the items in the system tray.
It simply doesn't work. If either is used you will get a list of two items when in fact in my case there is eight items in the system tray.
How often does FS check to see if their keystrokes really work?


locked Re: Moving forward.

James Homuth
 

To assist in that process, as folks appear reluctant to let these threads
die there much deserved natural death, the offending threads are about to be
closed. Any further new threads of this nature and their authors will find
themselves the newest members of the moderation club.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David &
his pack of dogs
Sent: May-24-17 7:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Moving forward.

I personally think we have beaten this topic to death and it is time to move
forward. Yes, it can be frustrating to read messages that have little to do
with the subject line. But, guess what, it happends on all lists. So,
let's just acknowledge it and move forward with other topics.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Please accept my heart felt condolences.
On 5/24/2017 1:10 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
One thing, Tim, I think all of us on the list would want to tell you
we are sorry for your loss. I thought of that last thing last night -
oh, I didn't respond to Tim's message. It is sad to lose a younger
person and really unfortunate right at a time of a wedding. I am sure
that a lot of people are heart broken.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim
Ford
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree. I note that only a
small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting,
probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and
appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use
more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines. I have said
my peace!



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this



And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes.
since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my
previous post.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this

Hi James,



I will contact you in the future. In the past, when I did my
occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the
administrator. Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened,
although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than
simple respect for other people's time and effort. I have been a list
moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from
grumpy people like me! Frankly though, I think this is such a large
membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few
individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office
email class. They said to make the subject line descriptive so the
recipient could decide whether they needed to read it. They also said
to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could
then decide to break off and move on.



Tim Ford



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this



While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two
threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long
as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the
thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit
more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such,
unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.



In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list
administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative
decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would
like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to
accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those
interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that
decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list
at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled
accordingly.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this

Hi Folks,



My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am. A significant
number of discussion threads on this list recently have either
meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally
correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject. Many of
us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use
the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read. All of us
should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add
to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like
this one "Do not have liquids when listening to this"





Thanks,

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet"
with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!
Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work.


locked Re: Moving forward.

David & his pack of dogs
 

I personally think we have beaten this topic to death and it is time to move forward. Yes, it can be frustrating to read messages that have little to do with the subject line. But, guess what, it happends on all lists. So, let's just acknowledge it and move forward with other topics.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Please accept my heart felt condolences.
On 5/24/2017 1:10 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
One thing, Tim, I think all of us on the list would want to tell you
we are sorry for your loss. I thought of that last thing last night -
oh, I didn't respond to Tim's message. It is sad to lose a younger
person and really unfortunate right at a time of a wedding. I am sure
that a lot of people are heart broken.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim
Ford
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree. I note that only a
small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list do any posting,
probably well below 5%, and the 95% would greatly benefit and
appreciate from the tiny burden and courtesy of asking those 5% to use
more specific, meaningful, and up to date subject lines. I have said
my peace!



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this



And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes.
since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming anything, see my
previous post.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this

Hi James,



I will contact you in the future. In the past, when I did my
occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you note from the
administrator. Frankly I think the guidelines need to be tightened,
although all I am asking for should be considered as nothing more than
simple respect for other people's time and effort. I have been a list
moderator, and would not do so again, because of getting notes from
grumpy people like me! Frankly though, I think this is such a large
membership list that we need as a community to ask those very few
individuals to simply follow the basic rules I learned in my office
email class. They said to make the subject line descriptive so the
recipient could decide whether they needed to read it. They also said
to explain up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could
then decide to break off and move on.



Tim Ford



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this



While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or two
threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent days. So long
as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I see no problem with the
thread's continuation. While the subject line could stand to be a bit
more informative, there is no list policy requiring it. As such,
unless it begins to cause problems, I will not mandate a change.



In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list
administration be brought to me directly. If an administrative
decision needs to be made, I will make that decision. If you would
like to have a part in making that decision, I have been known to
accept interested parties as list moderators - provided those
interested parties are not solely interested in simply making that
decision. If administrative issues continue to be brought to the list
at large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled
accordingly.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids when
listening to this

Hi Folks,



My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am. A significant
number of discussion threads on this list recently have either
meaningless, as with this one, or subject lines that were originally
correct, but the thread has gone far away from that subject. Many of
us just cannot keep up on a list like this without being able to use
the subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read. All of us
should make it our responsibility to edit a subject line when we add
to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject line like
this one "Do not have liquids when listening to this"





Thanks,

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet"
with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!
Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary work.


is should I remove it accessible with jaws?

marvin kotler
 

Good afternoon list; Marv here.  Have a question regarding a program.  The program is called should I remove it and it supposedly it helps you clean up your pc.  I was wondering is this program accessible with jaws? if so, I would like to hear about it.  Thanks in advance.
 


Re: safe mode

Don H
 

The latest version of Window Eyes will work in safe mode. I have used it.

On 5/24/2017 5:08 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Unless something has drasticly changed between windows 7 and 10, no
screenreader will work in safe mode. This is because without extensive
modification, Windows does not load audio drivers in safe mode. So while the
screenreader may load, you very likely won't get anything out of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: May-24-17 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: safe mode
Window Eyes will work in safe mode.
On 5/24/2017 4:38 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
does anybody know if jaws or any other screen reader will work in
win10 safe mode?
thanks
timelord09@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: safe mode

James Homuth
 

Unless something has drasticly changed between windows 7 and 10, no
screenreader will work in safe mode. This is because without extensive
modification, Windows does not load audio drivers in safe mode. So while the
screenreader may load, you very likely won't get anything out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: May-24-17 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: safe mode

Window Eyes will work in safe mode.

On 5/24/2017 4:38 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
does anybody know if jaws or any other screen reader will work in
win10 safe mode?
thanks
timelord09@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: cursors in jaws

Pablo Morales
 

Insert + Z is to toggle the quik navigation only, and this keystroke only
works on editing text.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Tim, I have been reading the manual a lot. If I read it correctly there are
two ways. The number pad mine is key to times quickly, or insert and Z.
Then it appears that all of the movement keys are going to be related to
that curser and either using the arrow keys or the number pad arrow keys
that will be the perspective talking to you. If I have read any of it right.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where
nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser?

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Tim,
I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it
acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around
the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using
the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the
other two alone.




I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you
find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible
cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level
JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does
that sound accurate?

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform
a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure
that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor.

On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the
material below? I find steps to activate each of the other listed
cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.
Please explain, I am very curious to check this out! I have used JAWS
since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and
capabilities.



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws



Hi Don,



About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.
These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often
directly linked with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving
through options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As
you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you
press. If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC
Cursor highlights the currently selected object. The PC Cursor is
activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a different
cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer The JAWS Cursor is linked to
mouse pointer functions in Windows and other applications. It is used
to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar
information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is
moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics
the functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when
entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of
frames in a document, and the number of links in the frame. You can
switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by alt tags in
the HTML code.



Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to
view information. It works like the mouse cursor but can not be seen
on screen or effect objects. Therefore you can not use the NumPad /
(left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object. It is useful to
read information without disturbing the mouse cursor. It is also
useful to determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over
an object.

It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.



Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws



I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface. If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS. I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them. Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: cursors in jaws

Pablo Morales
 

The invisible cursor is used for scripting. It is a cursor that is not the
Pc cursor, and either the jaws cursor, so this cursor doesn't create events
on any control. On some apps or web pages the mouse cursor activate some
kind of actions like open menus, or dialogs with information. We don't want
to enable those things, then we use the invisible cursor. However it is not
the best way to move the cursors around when we are writing scripts, but it
is very helpful when we know where to find information, so pressing a
keystroke, we can ask jaws to move the invisible cursor to an specific
place, read that area, and go back and activate the Pc cursor again.
All of this without any visual change.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Sounds very interesting though, just for those tough situations where
nothing else has worked. How do I start and stop the invisible curser?

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

Tim,
I am by far and away no expert, but window eyes had one of these two and it
acted like a mouse only you can't click with it. You can only read around
the screen anywhere the mouse could go. So you might use it instead of using
the virtual PC curser or the mouse pointer to look around while leaving the
other two alone.




I believe and I could be wrong, but if while using the invisible cursor you
find something you want you can route the jaws/mouse cursor to the invisible
cursor so you could click if needed. Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the explanation! Since I am simply a regular non-technical level
JAWS users, it sounds like the invisible curser has nothing for me? Does
that sound accurate?

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws

The invisible cursor is for use in scripts, it allows script code to perform
a cursor operation without moving any of the user cursors. I'm not even sure
that there are keystrokes that deal with the invisible cursor.

On 5/22/17, Tim Ford <ttford@gmail.com> wrote:
How does one activate the invisible cursor, or am I mis-reading the
material below? I find steps to activate each of the other listed
cursers, but no such activation step listed for the invisible curser.
Please explain, I am very curious to check this out! I have used JAWS
since 1989, and have never tried nor understood its function and
capabilities.



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursors in jaws



Hi Don,



About JAWS Cursors, below all 4 of them are explained.
Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.
These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often
directly linked with Windows cursors.

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes
This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and
applications.
This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving
through options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons. As
you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you
press. If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC
Cursor highlights the currently selected object. The PC Cursor is
activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a different
cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer The JAWS Cursor is linked to
mouse pointer functions in Windows and other applications. It is used
to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar
information. The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is
moved, and you therefore have access to information in an application
window that is beyond the scope of the PC Cursor. To activate the JAWS
Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics
the functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when
entering an HTML document. The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of
frames in a document, and the number of links in the frame. You can
switch between frames, and JAWS reads graphics labeled by alt tags in
the HTML code.



Invisible Cursor

The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse cursor that is visible on screen.
The invisible cursor can be moved around just like the JAWS cursor to
view information. It works like the mouse cursor but cannot be seen
on screen or effect objects. Therefore you cannot use the NumPad /
(left mouse
click) or NumPad * (right mouse click) on an object. It is useful to
read information without disturbing the mouse cursor. It is also
useful to determine colors or whatever might change when the mouse is over
an object.

It will not cause ToolTips to pop up.



Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM

Subject: cursors in jaws



I am trying to do my best in learning JAWS under the help and training
sections listed in the JAWS user interface. If I understand it
correctly there three cursor modes in JAWS. I can find no help topics
discussing them and how to use them. Can someone lead me in the right
direction to learn all about cursors in Jaws.
Thanks






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: safe mode

Don H
 

Window Eyes will work in safe mode.

On 5/24/2017 4:38 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
does anybody know if jaws or any other screen reader will work in win10 safe mode?
thanks
timelord09@comcast.net
There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: safe mode

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Your best bet would be to start Windows 10 in Safe Mode, then, if you have the Windows 10 Creators Update, use Windows Key plus CONTROL Plus ENTER to start Narrator, and see if it operates in Safe Mode.

 

If you don’t yet have the Creators Update, use Windows Key plus ENTER to start Narrator.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Vandervest
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: safe mode

 

does anybody know if jaws or any other screen reader will work in win10 safe mode?

thanks

 

   

timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


safe mode

William Vandervest
 

does anybody know if jaws or any other screen reader will work in win10 safe mode?
thanks
 
   
timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: Accessible Software

John Covici
 

For quickbooks you need the scripts at myblindspot.org to use. There
are screens which even with those scripts, qb is hard/not usable.

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:17:45 -0400,
Miranda Brown wrote:

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Hello Everyone,

I am new to the group and have some questions J

Does anyone use JAWS with Quickbooks?

Does anyone use JAWS with the PSPP statistical software?

Thank you

Miranda Brown

Executive Administrative Assistant

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