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Mouse Echo and Mouse Tracking?

Shannon
 

Good morning,

What exactly is the Mouse Echo designed for? If there is a JAWS curser isn’t that the mouse? Does not the JAWS curser read what it lands on? Why would you need another mouse reading feature?

And whatever this does is the same thing as in NVDA  called Mouse Tracking, is that correct?

Thanks shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Hi,

Already does as part of JAWS 18 via mouse echo.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, does anyone know if JAWS has the equivalent of NVDA's mouse tracking feature in the pipeline?  I don't think that Window-Eyes had this, either, but I've used that screen reader very little.

I find the mouse tracking feature particularly invaluable for those using touch screen laptops.
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Re: Mouse Echo Layer

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Is this a new feature in 18?

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer

 

Mine says mouse echo when I press the keystrokes you mentioned, but that is as far as I took it.

Jaws 18 Windows 10 latest builds.

Cheers

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 16, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer

 

Hi David,

 

I read about this feature also and have been meaning to try it. However, while I can find Mouse Echo in the Settings Centre when default settings are loaded, the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by E does not say anything, e.g. it is not like Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by O which says “OCR” or Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by Shift+H which says “Speech History Cleared”.

Shouldn’t it say “Mouse Echo On” or “Mouse Echo Off”?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer

 

Hi Bill,

The Mouse echo feature, when it is turned on with the key command you just said, enables one to use a mouse or the touch pad on your laptop and JAWS will say what you move the mouse pointer over. It works pretty well, and it allows you to move the mouse pointer around and here what you are moving it over so you can use the mouse and click just like a sighted person. NVDA has had this feature built into it for a long time. With JAWS, the mouse echo feature does not play any tones like NVDA does to let you know where the pointer is on the screen, but you can navigate the screen pretty well with this feature in JAWS. When you are done using the Mouse echo, just use the same key command Insert+Space bar and then e to turn it off. I have it set to say words as the mouse moves around the screen.

Take care!

David Moore

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From: Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse Echo Layer

 

Can anyone direct me as to where to find more information on what the Mouse Echo Layer command does, INSERT plus SPACE BAR, then the letter E?

 

I want to know what it enables, and how to use the feature it enables.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

 


Re: Putting Keys back the way they were

David Moore
 

Hi,

Here is what you want.

Press Windows+R to open the run dialog. Type the following just like I type it:

jaws18 /default

Press enter and JAWS will come up with all factory defaults. You do not do anything to your settings by doing this. It is a way to start JAWS without your settings. If your version is not 18, just type the JAWS version you have in the phrase I gave you.

David Moore

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From: Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Putting Keys back the way they were

 

I'm not sure whether this will help you, but in the settings menu

invoked by jaws key plus V there is an option to return to the last

changed settings. I'm not entirely sure what it does, but it may help

you diagnose which changes messed things up.

 

Kim

 

On 5/16/17, brian albriton <cocanut50@...> wrote:

> There use to be something called change back to factory defaults or

> something like that. We probably haven't seen it since many moons and jaws

> ago.

> Is there an equivalent to that now? I've got some keystroke conflicts and

> can't figure out what I goofed up so I want to go back to the way things

> were before I started messing around.

> All the best, Brian

> Brian Albriton

> iPhone 2136103315

> cocanut50@...

 

 

--

Kimberly

 

 

 


Re: standard user and jaws

Dave...
 

No idea. Not sure you've saved your changes, methinks.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 13:01
Subject: standard user and jaws


why is it that no jaws settings can be changed when running as a standard
user?
i can do this with window eyes.
this is a serious problem for me.
i do not log on as a administrator to block most viruses from installing
themselves
i tried changeing the jaws icon to run as administrator but with this both
jaws
and the ease of access center runs at the same time.
even so i muted all of the function keys and they show there indeed in mute
mode but the still speak.
i can make these changes logged in as administrator and the work fine. but
not
as a standard user.


There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.


MS Word 2010/Thank you

Laura Richardson
 

Thank you all very much for your input …… Very helpful and much appreciated.

 

Laura

 


Copying information from 1 computer to another

Ann Byrne
 

One of the programs I use with my student has a non-standard highlight. With a lot of cussing and fussing I was able to reassign the highlight indicator to reference the foreground and background colors of the program so that JAWS spoke the text on the screen. when I put the stinker on a new computer, however, I was unable to locate the text in order to tell JAWS about the colors. How can I copy the information from the old JAWS/computer? I have looked at Explore my Settings, personalized settings, and any number of other clever things, but can't find a sneaky little JAWS file that applies itself to the program I tweaked. Oh, where, oh, where, has that stinkin' highlight reference gone????

Much thanks,

Ann


Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

It does take a lot of time. I have been using it for 13 years and still don't know a lot, just finally learned from this list how the touch cursor works. I tried it; it did work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Hi Shannon!

Ask away! I really feel for you guys just checking out JAWS for the first time. It has a lot of bells and wistles, but it takes a long time to learn it all LOL!

David Moore

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From: Shannon <mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.



Thanks. For that it was actually helpful. And may make all the difference for me. That feature and learning what Ican and can not configure myself will help me figure which direction to go.

Thanks again

Shannon

Sent from my iPhone


On May 17, 2017, at 4:32 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com <mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

If you have JAWS version 15 or above, you have the touch cursor. That cursor can get you to many more controls on a page or in a program than the invisible cursor can. The invisible cursor only works as well as the JAWS cursor, and for me, the JAWS cursor does not work at all on many web pages or in many programs. The touch cursor is like using your finger on a touch screen to navigate. You do not even need a touch screen on your device for this to work. Just press shift+numpad plus to turn it on and press the numpad plus twice to go back to the PC cursor. On a laptop, press shift+caps lock+semicolon to turn it on, and press caps lock+semicolon twice to turn it off. You go back to the PC cursor when turned off. This touch cursor in JAWS, allows you to navigate apps, just like you would with your finger. When on, just press your arrow keys. Right arrow is like swiping right for example. This is how you can use your keyboard with JAWS to navigate many environments, not just apps. I want you all to know that if you are switching to JAWS.

David Moore

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From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.



Hi,

Old days as in early 2010’s (shows what happens if I don’t keep up with certain details of screen readers from time to time…). Perhaps I didn’t think of that as I was too used to touch cursor, UWP and what not these days…

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.



Old days? Far as I know it still exists. LOL



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May-17-17 5:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Hi Joseph and all.

Hi,

Ah yes, forgot about that from the old days…

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Hi Joseph and all.





There’s a sixth cursor for JAWS, and that’s the invisible cursor. It’s used to read info on the screen without having to move other cursors.



Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi,

For JAWS to do OCR on a PDF document, press Insert+Space bar, then press the two letters O D.

David Moore

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From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



What is the JAWS command for PDF, please? Thanks.



Bye for now,



Carolyn





-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On

Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:39 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



I'm still using 16 (which may reduce the value of my input),

and have used it on 2010, 2013, and 2016. The JAWS cursors

function like mouse buttons, and allow you to go outside

the typing area, where angels sometimes fear to tread.





As for the learning curve, take it as you need it. focus

on the basic tutorial, which will tell you everything you

need to get started. Learn fancy features as you need them.

It's a really slick program with good ergonomics, and runs

with a huge program library





When you need it, you'll love the PDF functionality, which,

when combined with the recent PDF-friendly features in

Office, puts real power on your desktop. Many, if not most,

offices use this versatile format, and it'll probably mean

you will not have to purchase the full-blown Acrobat

program, which will save either you or your employer a

nickel or two.





Ted





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On

Behalf Of Michael Mote

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:59 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns





Hi Shannon! JAWS offers a lot of helpful training materials

that are free. To locate these, navigate to the JAWS Window

by pressing either Alt Tab or Insert plus the letter J.

Insert is also the 0 key on the number pad on a regular

desktop keyboard, provided that your num lock setting is set

to off. Once you are there, press Alt plus the letter H to

bring up the help menu. Then you can use the arrow keys to

find the training option. Press enter to open this menu.

You should land in a table of contents for all of the

training materials. Depending on how JAWS was installed on

your system, you can either select the particular module you

are wanting to read, or download it. You can use the arrow

keys to navigate through the page, and find all of the

choices. I hope this is helpful for you. Good luck! I

know that being a new JAWS user can be very overwhelming at

first. I was there and I haven't forgotten how confusing it

was for me. I urge you to go through these training

modules. They will be very helpful to you. They are guided

as well with audio to listen to, if you don't want to read

the information.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns





Good morning,



I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many

conversions from WindowEyes.



I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned

about what it can and cannot do.



I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to

go through, and that is only one of my concerns.



I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few

things mentioned by others concern me.



I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel

all the time.



I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that

true? That would be a deal breaker for me.



I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also

use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle

the queries?



I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the

MS Databases.





Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different

email profiles set up and I need access to them.



Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or

buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as

WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom

scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.



The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I

can't tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of

cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and

something called Mouse overlay?



Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can

I read the screen with the mouse?





Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to

configure it I can't tell what I can and can't do.



I can tell that many functions of the accounting program,

and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do

not behave well and most likely are going to require special

custom scripts.



Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if

Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing

the web?



If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?



Thanks for your time.



Shannon


Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Mine doesn’t make a sound when opened either.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

That just plays a sound if a message is received it use to make a sound when opened now it doesn’t

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

1. Open Outlook.

2. Type F followed by T for Options.

3. You should be on General options when Options opens.

4. Arrow down to Mail.

5. TAB nine times. There should be a button which says Play a Sound checkbox. If it is unchecked, press SPACE to check it.

6. TAB to the OK button, and press ENTER.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

That just plays a sound if a message is received it use to make a sound when opened now it doesn’t

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

1. Open Outlook.

2. Type F followed by T for Options.

3. You should be on General options when Options opens.

4. Arrow down to Mail.

5. TAB nine times. There should be a button which says Play a Sound checkbox. If it is unchecked, press SPACE to check it.

6. TAB to the OK button, and press ENTER.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

1. Open Outlook.

2. Type F followed by T for Options.

3. You should be on General options when Options opens.

4. Arrow down to Mail.

5. TAB nine times. There should be a button which says Play a Sound checkbox. If it is unchecked, press SPACE to check it.

6. TAB to the OK button, and press ENTER.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

 

Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


turning sounds on in office 2010

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


Re: MS Word 2010

 

Does anybody still have Jaws 17? I have long ago stopped using Office 2010, but I'm curious about what Tim said that he could not read the contents of cells in an Excel spreadsheet with Jaws 17, I believe he said he was using Office 2010 on a Windows 10 computer. I wonder if something else is going on or if Jaws 17 really does not read Excel content in this scenario but Jaws 18 does.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Word 2010

 

I'm not Brian, but, yes, they will work well together. I am using them on this computer.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: MS Word 2010

 

Brian,

 

Just to reassure myself and make sure I understand correctly …… Will Windows 10 Pro, Jaws 18 and MS word 2010 work well together without any major issues?

 

Laura

  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Word 2010

 

Laura,

          The extended support end date for the Microsoft Office 2010 Service Pack 2 (which all of us should have by now if we have Office 2010, or will have not long after loading a fresh copy) is October 13, 2020.   (See:  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/13615)

           End of support for Office 2010 should have little to nothing to do with whether a screen reader will work with it so long as said screen reader will work under "the old Windows paradigm" meaning if it's compatible with Windows 7 or earlier.

           It is highly unlikely that screen reader support for Windows 7 will end before its sundown date in 2020 and, given the embedded base of Windows 7 and that many will still be using it, it may go after that.  I doubt that the code that supports "the old pre-universal-apps" Windows application programs (termed Desktop Apps under Windows 10) is going to go away for a very, very long time because those programs are not going away any time soon and there are still many that are under development that show no signs of rushing to become an universal app anytime soon.

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how to get Jaws 18 to speak what radio button is checked automatically

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, is there a way to get Jaws 18 to Automatically say 3 radio button checked as an example.  It does this in Jaws 15 but in 18 it says radio button checked.  Thanks for your help.


Re: standard user and jaws

 

Actually, I believe you can get around this issue as a standard user if you have JAWS set up to not keep user profiles (or whatever these get called, my 40-minute mode is currently past its 40 minutes) in the installation directory.  The issue comes if a standard user tries to write data to one of the Windows directories, and the default location for JAWS is under the Program Files hierarchy.

I could swear that there is a way at setup to designate an alternate storage location for the user profile, but it's been too long since my last install for me to say this with anything approaching certainty.
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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: standard user and jaws

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,David,

 

That is nothing at all to do with JAWS. It is to do with organisations not wanting users to make changes to their computers that make the computers vulnerable to malware threats and to ensure that IT support knows what they are likely to encounter if they are asked to resolve a problem. They lock you out from making changes.

 

If you need access to update JAWS on your system, then you need to make a case to your IT Support or to your boss. If you live in the U.S. there is plenty of legislation to support your requirements.

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: standard user and jaws

 

Hi,

When I used JAWS at work, I could not even make a hot key for it without the administrator doing it. I did not realize that Window-Eyes let a standard user make these changes. I am so sorry, but you can not make hardly any changes to JAWS as a standard user, you can change the rate or volume and such, but that is about it. You cannot get into quick settings and make many changes in there at all.

That is not right. I had to use JAWS at work at practically factory settings LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: standard user and jaws

 

why is it that no jaws settings can be changed when running as a standard user?

i can do this with window eyes.

this is a serious problem for me.

i do not log on as a administrator to block most viruses from installing

themselves

i tried changeing the jaws icon to run as administrator but with this both jaws

and the ease of access center runs at the same time.

even so i muted all of the function keys and they show there indeed in mute

mode but the still speak.

i can make these changes logged in as administrator and the work fine. but not

as a standard user.

 

 

There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.

You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

 

 

 

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: MS Word 2010

 

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 04:20 pm, Gerry Ellis wrote:
I suggest that a good way to improve your efficiency using MS Office in general is to spend a lot of time learning keyboard alternatives.

This goes well beyond just MS Office.  I strongly encourage my clients to figure out, based on the work they're currently doing and any time new "repetitive" tasks start entering the picture, that they should take the time to create a personal "greatest hits list" of the keyboard shortcuts for the tasks they need to do in the programs they're needing to do them.   It is just so much faster and, ultimately, less frustrating than constantly navigating to a control, whether that be via menu or ribbon. 
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Re: MS Word 2010

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi, Laura,

 

I use that combination together every day at home and it works very well. I use the same at work except that i use Windows 7 and it also works very well. It works particularly well with Excel.

 

I suggest that a good way to improve your efficiency using MS Office in general is to spend a lot of time learning keyboard alternatives.

 

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Word 2010

 

Brian,

 

Just to reassure myself and make sure I understand correctly …… Will Windows 10 Pro, Jaws 18 and MS word 2010 work well together without any major issues?

 

Laura

  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Word 2010

 

Laura,

          The extended support end date for the Microsoft Office 2010 Service Pack 2 (which all of us should have by now if we have Office 2010, or will have not long after loading a fresh copy) is October 13, 2020.   (See:  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/13615)

           End of support for Office 2010 should have little to nothing to do with whether a screen reader will work with it so long as said screen reader will work under "the old Windows paradigm" meaning if it's compatible with Windows 7 or earlier.

           It is highly unlikely that screen reader support for Windows 7 will end before its sundown date in 2020 and, given the embedded base of Windows 7 and that many will still be using it, it may go after that.  I doubt that the code that supports "the old pre-universal-apps" Windows application programs (termed Desktop Apps under Windows 10) is going to go away for a very, very long time because those programs are not going away any time soon and there are still many that are under development that show no signs of rushing to become an universal app anytime soon.

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Re: standard user and jaws

David Moore
 

Hi,

When I used JAWS at work, I could not even make a hot key for it without the administrator doing it. I did not realize that Window-Eyes let a standard user make these changes. I am so sorry, but you can not make hardly any changes to JAWS as a standard user, you can change the rate or volume and such, but that is about it. You cannot get into quick settings and make many changes in there at all.

That is not right. I had to use JAWS at work at practically factory settings LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: standard user and jaws

 

why is it that no jaws settings can be changed when running as a standard user?

i can do this with window eyes.

this is a serious problem for me.

i do not log on as a administrator to block most viruses from installing

themselves

i tried changeing the jaws icon to run as administrator but with this both jaws

and the ease of access center runs at the same time.

even so i muted all of the function keys and they show there indeed in mute

mode but the still speak.

i can make these changes logged in as administrator and the work fine. but not

as a standard user.

 

 

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Re: Hi Joseph and all.

 

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 03:50 pm, David Moore wrote:
it takes a long time to learn it all LOL!

 I say the following without a bit of snark, and not with the intention of discouraging anyone:  No one ever learns them all.

JAWS is, to me, very much like any program of your choosing in the Microsoft Office suite.  I don't know of a single person who knows all the features of any single one of these, let alone all of them.  As programs expand to become "grand unified" it becomes impossible for any user to learn it all.

That being said, you don't need to learn it all.  Just like in spoken language, there is a core that is used for 90+ percent of what you do.  You learn the esoterica if or when you need it. [And that applies to all screen readers and any complex piece of software.  Full mastery simply is not possible for everything they can do.  Testing groups in development houses tend to be split into groups that focus on a specific feature set or small range of feature sets.]
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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.