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Re: Anyone with a good experience using One note.

 

It is actually not bad at all now on the iPhone, I just wish it were more accessible on the PC with Jaws, here it is also useable, but not as much as a like and with as much speed as I would like.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 5:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Anyone with a good experience using One note.

I tried it about a year ago and found it pretty much unusable.

On 5/17/17, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello friends,

I just installed microsoft office 2016 and it comes with one note.
anyone here with competence experience using it with jaws? if yes, any
tutorial on it.

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Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

Mario
 

after Word is running, press alt+f then t for options.
up or down arrow to the advanced category.
shift+tab 15 times to "Provide feedback with sound check box".
press the space bar to check it if it isn't already.
then press tab 15 times to, and space bar on the OK button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dennis L [mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

How do you enable it through word

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail



On May 18, 2017 10:33:07 AM "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

oh, I read your original question and the following responses. I think
that event was removed probably thru a monthly office patch. someone
else from a different ML had a similar question like yours.

BTW, researching how to enable feedback with sound articles mention to
use Word or Excel, and to enable feedback with sound, but it may not
matter if you did it thru Outlook.
as long as you're getting sound when events happen like when new mail
comes in, you're set.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dennis L [mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:11 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

I have them installed

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail



On May 18, 2017 9:59:20 AM "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dennis, Bill, and anyone else, do you have the office sounds pack
installed? go to microsoft, search for it, and install it. it takes a
work around to install them, because it's not as simple as running an
executable. reason being, MS did not properly update the extraction
process in the executable to recognize that office 2010 has been installed.
the easier way is to simply use 7zip to extract the contents of the
sound pack executable, go to the folder that holds the extracted files,
and run the MSI file. I suppose you could use any other utility that can
extract from an executable but I haven't tried anything else.

the sounds should be installed before activating their use in office
2010 programs.

hth

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

Mine doesn't make a sound when opened either.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010



That just plays a sound if a message is received it use to make a sound when
opened now it doesn't



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010



1. Open Outlook.

2. Type F followed by T for Options.

3. You should be on General options when Options opens.

4. Arrow down to Mail.

5. TAB nine times. There should be a button which says Play a Sound
checkbox. If it is unchecked, press SPACE to check it.

6. TAB to the OK button, and press ENTER.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010



Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


Re: turning sounds on in office 2010

Mario
 

after Word is running, press alt+f then t for options.
up or down arrow to the advanced category.
shift+tab 15 times to "Provide feedback with sound check box".
press the space bar to check it if it isn't already.
then press tab 15 times to, and space bar on the OK button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dennis L [mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

How do you enable it through word

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail



On May 18, 2017 10:33:07 AM "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

oh, I read your original question and the following responses. I think
that event was removed probably thru a monthly office patch. someone
else from a different ML had a similar question like yours.

BTW, researching how to enable feedback with sound articles mention to
use Word or Excel, and to enable feedback with sound, but it may not
matter if you did it thru Outlook.
as long as you're getting sound when events happen like when new mail
comes in, you're set.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dennis L [mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:11 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

I have them installed

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail



On May 18, 2017 9:59:20 AM "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dennis, Bill, and anyone else, do you have the office sounds pack
installed? go to microsoft, search for it, and install it. it takes a
work around to install them, because it's not as simple as running an
executable. reason being, MS did not properly update the extraction
process in the executable to recognize that office 2010 has been installed.
the easier way is to simply use 7zip to extract the contents of the
sound pack executable, go to the folder that holds the extracted files,
and run the MSI file. I suppose you could use any other utility that can
extract from an executable but I haven't tried anything else.

the sounds should be installed before activating their use in office
2010 programs.

hth

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010

Mine doesn't make a sound when opened either.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010



That just plays a sound if a message is received it use to make a sound when
opened now it doesn't



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: turning sounds on in office 2010



1. Open Outlook.

2. Type F followed by T for Options.

3. You should be on General options when Options opens.

4. Arrow down to Mail.

5. TAB nine times. There should be a button which says Play a Sound
checkbox. If it is unchecked, press SPACE to check it.

6. TAB to the OK button, and press ENTER.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: turning sounds on in office 2010



Hi, how do you turn sounds on in office 2010?


Re: Office 365

Alan Robbins
 

I think we simply need to embrace and work out issues as they arise. I deal with the same thing with JAWS and IOS

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Oh, I understand completely, Mike.

The thing is, though, that Microsoft is increasingly moving toward subscription services like Office 365. So, eventually, systems like Office 2010 are going to become obsolete and no longer supported.

I find myself railing aginst this trend more and more, because of its potentially serious accessibility implications for us, but I'm not quite sure what the best alternative really is at this time.

Will be interesting in the coming years, for sure.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Tom, this is the biggest reason I never signed up for MS 365. I've stayed with Office 2010 because I can use it easly and don't have to worry about newer versions and there lack of accessibility with JAWS.
Just my 1.96 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office 365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Re: Office 365

Alan Robbins
 

I'm in the same boat, but eventually we will need to shift to a more current version. On a road trip now but contemplating going to Office 365 upon my return. I feel at some point we need to stay current

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Tom, this is the biggest reason I never signed up for MS 365. I've stayed with Office 2010 because I can use it easly and don't have to worry about newer versions and there lack of accessibility with JAWS.
Just my 1.96 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office 365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 08:31 am, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I’ll bet a nickel I’ve been using  PC’s longer than the last twit to whom I spoke, but there’s one in every crowd.

When it comes to technical support in general my observation over the course of decades is that far too many who are sitting behind those phones are neither technically proficient nor supportive.

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Re: Office 365

Tom Behler
 

Oh, I understand completely, Mike.

The thing is, though, that Microsoft is increasingly moving toward subscription services like Office 365. So, eventually, systems like Office 2010 are going to become obsolete and no longer supported.

I find myself railing aginst this trend more and more, because of its potentially serious accessibility implications for us, but I'm not quite sure what the best alternative really is at this time.

Will be interesting in the coming years, for sure.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Tom, this is the biggest reason I never signed up for MS 365. I've stayed with Office 2010 because I can use it easly and don't have to worry about newer versions and there lack of accessibility with JAWS.
Just my 1.96 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office 365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I agree with Dave, but that’s a little like saying “Except for that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”.  Convenient CR, in conjunction with recent editions of Office, is a powerful tool.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Agreed. Part of the reason I'm holding off on switching to 18, even though I'm authorized to use it, is exactly as stated right here. I've been on 14 since it came out. I'll likely be on 14 until I move to some later version of Windows, at which point 14 will do me more harm than good. I've played around with 18, but really, nothing's caught my attention.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: May-17-17 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Tim,

 

Very well stated message to VFO. I am a JAWS user since version 3.5. I would much rather have seen improvements in stability over the new features that have been rolled out since version 14. Most of the new features don't impress me, or encourage me to invest time in learning how to best use them. Except for Convenient OCR, all those past features would be gladly surrendered in favor of basic stability and repairs to ongoing access issues.

 

Thank you for your message to VFO.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Ford

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 00:14

Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

All good points. 

 

My proposal, boiled down to its essence, is that FS should develop a new version that is back to basics, is as stable, responsive, and functional as can reasonably be done, for the relatively narrow set of tasks that average JAWS users ever do.  All the focus of adding complicated new features is fine for the power users, and charging them  more seems justifiable.

 

However, the JAWS “Professional” version is nothing more than activating the components necessary for large office systems, citric, etc.  I even learned that the unlocking key is the only difference between the two versions, so FS is selling as a premium pro version a software program that is exactly the same as the less expensive version. 

I understand that screen reader software development involves a relatively small target audience, and the profit factor is a major issue.  That said, a major re-structuring on how screen readers are developed seems now due.

 

  For us basic users, give us one that does what we need, does it well, and does not suddenly go silent or  lock up.  Make it available to all those currently using a properly registered copy of JAWS, regardless of how old a version, charge a reasonable one-time fee, and provide a quality overall JAWS experience.  For the vast majority of us JAWS users, several generations of JAWS has failed to provide that experience. 

 

I would quit using JAWS right now if it were not for the fact that I hate having to learn a new set of commands.  I do only what is or becomes necessary, and I imagine  aa lot of us share that attitude.

 

Tim Ford

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

I guess it depends on whether or not FS/VFO still feels up to supporting older versions of JAWS. I know back when it was Henter Joyce (yeah, I've been around that long), they used to backport potentially major fixes to older JAWS versions. It also depends, I'd imagine, on your definition of an older version. I can see VFO deciding, for instance, okay we'll apply this fix to JAWS 18 and 17, but not 16. And if like me you're still on 14, I can see you being quite reasonably out of luck.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: May-17-17 2:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

I agree. On Outlook 2013 with JAWS 17, new email notifications were not read. With JAWS 18, the email notifications were then read. I feel that an upgrade for that is not fair to the end user as it's not a special innovative feature... Sometimes, I wonder...

 

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On May 16, 2017, at 10:53 PM, Tim Ford <ttford@...> wrote:

Dear FS Support,

Before I begin, please note that I have also posted this email to a JAWS users list since the broader issue I raise applies to the JAWS community as a whole.

This email is a bit long, but I feel the points made below are important, enough that your top executive team should review the issues involved, to decide which priorities are most important.

Normally, I would have been happy to report to you that I had figured out a solution to a JAWS problem I previously reported to you, so that the information would be available to others.  However, after reading your email below, I did a bit of further testing of that File Explorer problem you say is fixed in version 18.  (My plan was to try NVDA.)  However, I decided to first give JAWS one more try, in part to refresh my memory on the matter.  With JAWS 17, I got to the trouble point, where JAWS was finding only the first of the usual 3 buttons, retry, skip, cancel.  (The problem is explained below.)  However, as I was on the retry button, something in the back of my mind caused me to try the right arrow key, instead of the usual tab key.  There were the 2 missing buttons! 

Windows 10 seems to make regular use of the arrow keys in situations where a tab used to be the process of navigating to all the buttons.  (This is hard on us JAWS users who, like myself, have for some 25 years have the tab key drilled into us as being a primary navigation step for accessing Windows operating system  components such as File Explorer.  (I will hopefully remember in the future to try the arrow if the tab does not do what it used to do, but I digress.) 

It concerns me, and should concern you, that you did not know this, apparently concluding that JAWS Version  17 was, and was to remain, broken in regard to this File Explorer common function.  Instead, you just steered me to a new version, with no mention of the dollar cost involved.  Since my email included my JAWS serial number, you could have taken the few seconds it would take to run my number and find out whether my existing paid license covered Version 18; it does not.

My JAWS license extends only to Version 17, and I have the latest of that.  Mentioning only a solution that involves having to pay for yet another upgrade is something your company should contemplate as the financial burden it is.  For an individual, JAWS is far and away the most expensive license of anything we have, and the impact is magnified by having to pay for expensive new versions.  I do not need JAWS 18; there is nothing in version 18 I would have found useful!

A basic issue like this one, broken buttons that had worked fine for all these years, qualifies in my mind as being something you would in good conscious want to fix for customers, no extra charge, and not just for customers who desire the latest.  Goodness, you are going to take a company position that unless the customer pays for the absolute newest version, they cannot expect any solutions to basic flaws?  Version 17 is now old and obsolete and not worthy of fixing basic bugs?  Sounds like the approach Microsoft is currently being roasted over with the world wide ransomware. 

Here is my overall point/recommendation.  Based upon seeing thousands of emails complaining about JAWS 18, I believe the best long-term corporate policy is for you to stop adding new features, which invariably end up breaking something else, and come up with a new and extremely stable and functional version.  I would pay a modestly reasonable  fee for that, and I believe others would as well. 

You could sell the idea as a solution/response to the bad example Microsoft has set in its withholding of the patch that would have stop that huge ransomware attack that happened this week.  Show how software customers should be treated!  Stand up and admit that all the advances came at the expense of stability of the basic JAWS product.

In closing, I also want to point out that you have not resolved my previously-reported issue where Excel 2010 does not work with JAWS and Windows 10; JAWS is completely silent and unable to read the contents of a cell; only the menus work.  I contacted Microsoft’s Accessibility Office They recommended and installed/configured NVDA on my computer, as a work-around until JAWS was fixed.  They remotely installed and set up NVDA for me, and it reads those Excel cells just fine. 

Thank you for considering my points.  I appreciate that my suggestions involve what would be a radical notion in the computer software industry, but as demonstrated by the evidence of Microsoft’s culpability, a new approach that would serve as a leading example, seems timely.

Sincerely,

Tim Ford

From: VFO Technical Support [mailto:support@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:55 PM
To: ttford@...
Subject: re: Windows Explorer, skip button not recognized by JAWS.

Dear Tim

Thank you for contacting VFO technical support.

It appear this issue is addressed in the JAWS® screen reading software version 18.0 release. I recommend downloading the latest release of the JAWS 18.0 software from the link below and see if the issue persist.

•  JAWS 18.0.2740  64-bit English  - April 2017

http://jaws18.vfo.digital/27403299B4/J18.0.2740enu-x64.exe

•  JAWS 18.0.2740  32-bit English  - April 2017

http://jaws18.vfo.digital/27403299B4/J18.0.2740enu-x86.exe

Be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this matter when replying to this message so that we might better assist you.

Regards,

[name removed by Tim Ford for privacy of the individual support employee who sent this note.]

VFO™ | Technical Support Specialist

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 727-803-8600

support@vfo-groupcom

www.vfo-group.com

The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFO™. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments.

From: Tim Ford [mailto:ttford@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 12:38 AM
To: VFO Technical Support <support@...>
Subject: Windows Explorer, skip button not recognized by JAWS.

Dear Support,

I am running the latest version of Windows 10, Creator edition, and the latest JAWS 17 update.

When in Windows explorer, if I select one or more files, then try either delete or shift delete, the skip button is not available.  In folders such as \windows\prefetch, there are often 1-3 files to which this pertains.  I try JAWS in review mode, but the button is not spoken.  I tried the OCR approach by pressing the layered command to read the screen, and although JAWS did say it completed the OCR, the skip button is visible only when I arrow up and down.  But I cannot arrow left or right, in either JAWS review or OCR curser mode, to try and press the button.  The above are obviously just my playing around, and the button should be visible to JAWS in routine operation.  Please advise.

Tim Ford

JAWS #18178


Re: Office 365

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Tom, this is the biggest reason I never signed up for MS 365. I've stayed with Office 2010 because I can use it easly and don't have to worry about newer versions and there lack of accessibility with JAWS.
Just my 1.96 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office 365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

When we first started teaching Windows to talk here at the cabinet, DFB in Kentucky was promoting JAWS.  At that time, it was basic transportation, but stable, and that was 20 years ago.  I’d like to explore NVDA in some depth, but  may not find the time in the immediate future.

 

Re:  tech support, overall it has been really strong, but I have noticed a slight tendency toward condescension in some newer personnel.  I’ll bet a nickel I’ve been using  PC’s longer than the last twit to whom I spoke, but there’s one in every crowd.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Just for a tiny bit of perspective from someone who was once "on the other side" as a software developer it is unrealistic to expect any software maker to support a given version of something "in perpetuity."  Now, mind you, that's not to say that say, three or four of the most recent versions of a piece of software such as JAWS should not be simultaneously maintained, as I believe they should.  As many have pointed out, they're not seeking the new "bells and whistles" that are perpetually being added not only to JAWS, but to almost any piece of software you can name that's under active maintenance.   Freedom Scientific (now VFO) has historically been using "upgrade to the new version" as their fix for everything for as long as I've been tutoring JAWS.  What's worse, and I've experienced it more than once, is that there have been instances where the new version breaks existing functionality in specific circumstances and how that escaped testing is beyond me.

The long and the sort of it is that there are now very serious and very good competitors to JAWS that are available at little or no cost, depending on whether they ship with the OS you're using or not.  If I had my druthers the state agency for which I do most of my tutoring would have transitioned to one of those several years ago, but getting any bureaucracy to change is a long, slow proposition.  At the individual level it need not be and for certain alternatives the learning curve is not particularly steep.
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numbering in lists, etc.

Carol Smith
 

Hi,

Is there a way to get Jaws to say the item number in a list such as email 32 of 345? I currently have no idea as to how many more email messages I have to go through this morning, grin. Thank you.

Carol


Re: Office 365

Tom Behler
 

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office 365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Office 365

Don H
 

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks


Re: standard user and jaws

James Homuth
 

That's not a JAWS thing. That's a permissions thing. JAWS settings, per user, are stored in .ini, .jcf and etc files under the %appdata% folder, as they've always been. Any setting you change that differs from the default, all users setting, gets written to your own personalized copy of those files. Therefore, if you don't have permission to write to your own %appdata% folder, or the JAWS folder inside that one, then those settings won't save. At that point, you get to explain to your employer why that is an absolutely braindead permissions policy and could they please pick up a fresh clue.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: May-17-17 7:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: standard user and jaws

Hi,

When I used JAWS at work, I could not even make a hot key for it without the administrator doing it. I did not realize that Window-Eyes let a standard user make these changes. I am so sorry, but you can not make hardly any changes to JAWS as a standard user, you can change the rate or volume and such, but that is about it. You cannot get into quick settings and make many changes in there at all.

That is not right. I had to use JAWS at work at practically factory settings LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: standard user and jaws

 

why is it that no jaws settings can be changed when running as a standard user?

i can do this with window eyes.

this is a serious problem for me.

i do not log on as a administrator to block most viruses from installing

themselves

i tried changeing the jaws icon to run as administrator but with this both jaws

and the ease of access center runs at the same time.

even so i muted all of the function keys and they show there indeed in mute

mode but the still speak.

i can make these changes logged in as administrator and the work fine. but not

as a standard user.

 

 

There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.

You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

 

 

 

 


Re: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

James Malone
 

I’ll test this out again, but when sending this message, I got a error message about headers for my email server. It had something to do with this message.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Vandervest
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

 

 

timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

James Malone
 

I did get a message after sending it saying that Outlook couldn’t update the headers.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

 

Yes they are.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Vandervest
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

 

 

timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

James Malone
 

Yes they are.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Vandervest
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

 

 

timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: Mouse Echo Layer

Mario
 

ok, thanks.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND [mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:21 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse Echo Layer

It doesn't work until JAWS 18.

Pam


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Mario
[mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer

like Ted, I'm using JAWS 16 and insert+spacebar e doesn't announce
anything. following up with the choices doesn't make a difference, not
even the windows ding.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse Echo Layer

Interesting, Bill. I tried it a while ago, and it said nothing. Maybe
I should follow up with one of the choices, or look at the help file.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer

No, I think it has been in JAWS since at least JAWS 16.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer


Bill, the mouse Echo command is only for JAWS 18, right?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:55 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse Echo Layer

Hi again, Sieghard. One other item I will mention is that under the JAWS
context menu, which I reach by using the keystroke INSERT plus the
letter J, then open basic settings. The first setting,

Tutor messages, announce menu and control help radio button checked. If
you use one of the other settings in this dialogue, you will not get all
the control announcements. This might be the reason for INSERT plus
SPACE BAR, E not echoing correctly.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Hi Bill and Joseph,



I am using Jaws 18.0.2740 which is the latest built.

When I press Jaws Key+Spacebar I hear the little tone it makes, then
when I press “e” Jaws simply echos “e”. As I said, if I do “O” it does
correctly say OCR.

I am using intermediate verbocity, but I did consider this already and
changed it to beginner and it makes no difference.

Not sure why it doesn’t properly say what the keystroke is, but as I
said, it’s not a big deal and at this point it’s not worth it for me to
spend more time trying to figure it out especially since pressing any
other key in the sequence does what it is supposed to do and the action
is properly spoken, e.g. on, off, characters, words, lines.

.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Hi,

Or perhaps, what verbosity level are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Which version of JAWS are you running when you encounter this behavior
of JAWS not saying

“Mouse Echo Layer?”



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Thanks Bill, if I follow the Jaws Key+Spacebar and E with one of the
letters you mention Jaws will say on, off, character, word or line, it
just does not say the initial “Mouse Echo Layer”, not sure why that is
because when I do the layered command for OCR it will say “OCR” before I
press any of the secondary commands like d for documents, s for screen
etc. Not a big deal, at least I can turn it on or off and set the echo
to try this out.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Hi, Sieghard. Your JAWS is not working as expected. When I do the command:

INSERT plus SPACE BAR, then the letter E, my JAWS says:

Mouse Echo Layer



It expects one of the following commands:

C for character,

W for word,

L for line,

P for paragraph,

O for on or off,



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Hi David,



I read about this feature also and have been meaning to try it. However,
while I can find Mouse Echo in the Settings Centre when default settings
are loaded, the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by E does
not say anything, e.g. it is not like Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by O
which says “OCR” or Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by Shift+H which says
“Speech History Cleared”.

Shouldn’t it say “Mouse Echo On” or “Mouse Echo Off”?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mouse Echo Layer



Hi Bill,

The Mouse echo feature, when it is turned on with the key command you
just said, enables one to use a mouse or the touch pad on your laptop
and JAWS will say what you move the mouse pointer over. It works pretty
well, and it allows you to move the mouse pointer around and here what
you are moving it over so you can use the mouse and click just like a
sighted person. NVDA has had this feature built into it for a long time.
With JAWS, the mouse echo feature does not play any tones like NVDA does
to let you know where the pointer is on the screen, but you can navigate
the screen pretty well with this feature in JAWS. When you are done
using the Mouse echo, just use the same key command Insert+Space bar and
then e to turn it off. I have it set to say words as the mouse moves
around the screen.

Take care!

David Moore

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Windows 10



From: Bill White <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Mouse Echo Layer



Can anyone direct me as to where to find more information on what the
Mouse Echo Layer command does, INSERT plus SPACE BAR, then the letter E?



I want to know what it enables, and how to use the feature it enables.



Thank you.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com















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Re: How did my subject get this way? RE: Hi Joseph and all.

 

It's known as "operator error."   I've made plenty of operator errors in my decades working with these silicon miracles/nightmares!
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Re: testing, ar my messages getting thru?

 

Yes.  Your message did "hit the group."
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        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.