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Re: help with verbalizing items

netbat66
 

when you do this with the function keys and insert do these changes save? or do you have to go into the settings menu to save the changes?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with verbalizing items

Hi, Carol. If you press the INSERT or JAWS key as it is sometimes called by JAWS users, with the number two on the numbers row, you can change whether JAWS echos back characters, words, or nothint at all. If it is set to echo words, the word will be spoken right after pressing the space bar, or a punctuation key.

As to setting numbers to be spoken as single digits, this setting is under JAWS Settings, INSERT plus six on the number row. Then navigate down to Text Processing, and change the setting to single digits, controlled by synthesizer. That should allow speaking of single digits.

I hope this helps you.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: help with verbalizing items

In Window-Eyes, it was possible to have words spoken after pressing
space or punctuation or the spacebar. It was also possible to have each
digit of a number spoken immediately when typed, such as 123 being
echoed as 1 2 3. Is this possible with Jaws? Also, I read earlier that
someone had asked if there was a way to get Jaws to stop saying alt
tab. If that question was answered, I did not see a reply. Of course,
I have gone through over 300 email messages today, and it is very
possible I might have overlooked the reply. So, I am asking again,
grin. Thanks.

Carol


Re: help with verbalizing items

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Carol. If you press the INSERT or JAWS key as it is sometimes called by JAWS users, with the number two on the numbers row, you can change whether JAWS echos back characters, words, or nothint at all. If it is set to echo words, the word will be spoken right after pressing the space bar, or a punctuation key.

As to setting numbers to be spoken as single digits, this setting is under JAWS Settings, INSERT plus six on the number row. Then navigate down to Text Processing, and change the setting to single digits, controlled by synthesizer. That should allow speaking of single digits.

I hope this helps you.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: help with verbalizing items

In Window-Eyes, it was possible to have words spoken after pressing
space or punctuation or the spacebar. It was also possible to have each
digit of a number spoken immediately when typed, such as 123 being
echoed as 1 2 3. Is this possible with Jaws? Also, I read earlier that
someone had asked if there was a way to get Jaws to stop saying alt
tab. If that question was answered, I did not see a reply. Of course,
I have gone through over 300 email messages today, and it is very
possible I might have overlooked the reply. So, I am asking again,
grin. Thanks.

Carol


Don't worry, tab is alive and well.

Tim Ford
 

I was the one who posted that to which you refer, but I was referring to just one situation.  I found that if I kept tabbing, I would miss 2 of the 3 buttons in this particular group.  I just happened to discover that when I tabbed to the first button in the group, tabbing again took me past the group.  Instead, when I was on the first button, 3 of them in a row, the right arrow key was needed.  Other than that, tab is still a primary navigation key.

 

Tim Ford

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of p tusing
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Loss of tabbing in Windows 10?

 

Hi,

A  few  days ago, some one stated that in Windows10 and JAWS 17 or 18 ? the use of the tab is replaced by the arrow keys.

Seriously? I do not use Windows 10 but wish to bring this up.

 

Amazing! I remember a thread from years ago about the need to maintain left-handed key usage to help avoid

Carpel tunnel problems as in over use and  over emphasis  of the right hand.

Keeping left-handed keystrokes divides  the stress more equally among the  hands.

And that is really important as one ages.

 

If what one wrote  is “true” then

It is stupid to lose the  tabbing ability  as in my opinion using the tab key

Takes my left hand barely off the keyboard as it is a shorter distance and spares the right hand while tabbing.

 

 

If this is true, and we could change it to get the tabbing back,

We should insist with V F O  for the above reasons.

 

Please would some one respond as nonstop typing really puts the stress on the right hand and there are real long term implications.

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 


Loss of tabbing in Windows 10?

p tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,

A  few  days ago, some one stated that in Windows10 and JAWS 17 or 18 ? the use of the tab is replaced by the arrow keys.

Seriously? I do not use Windows 10 but wish to bring this up.

 

Amazing! I remember a thread from years ago about the need to maintain left-handed key usage to help avoid

Carpel tunnel problems as in over use and  over emphasis  of the right hand.

Keeping left-handed keystrokes divides  the stress more equally among the  hands.

And that is really important as one ages.

 

If what one wrote  is “true” then

It is stupid to lose the  tabbing ability  as in my opinion using the tab key

Takes my left hand barely off the keyboard as it is a shorter distance and spares the right hand while tabbing.

 

 

If this is true, and we could change it to get the tabbing back,

We should insist with V F O  for the above reasons.

 

Please would some one respond as nonstop typing really puts the stress on the right hand and there are real long term implications.

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 


help with verbalizing items

Carol Smith
 

In Window-Eyes, it was possible to have words spoken after pressing space or punctuation or the spacebar. It was also possible to have each digit of a number spoken immediately when typed, such as 123 being echoed as 1 2 3. Is this possible with Jaws? Also, I read earlier that someone had asked if there was a way to get Jaws to stop saying alt tab. If that question was answered, I did not see a reply. Of course, I have gone through over 300 email messages today, and it is very possible I might have overlooked the reply. So, I am asking again, grin. Thanks.

Carol


Re: Office 365

Jim Fettgather
 

The only problems that I have had with Jaws and Office 365 is with
Outlook 2016, because of course, I was automatically upgraded to
Office 2016.
I have duplicated this behavior on four computers.
Jaws 18, Outlook 2016, when you press enter to read a message, Jaws
begins to read the message, then interrupts itself in the middle of
the message by announcing the number of links, and then will resume
reading the message, or start from the beginning.
Turning off the Link count announcement still results in disrupted
reading of messages, and all preview and other panes have been
completely turned off.
Neither Freedom Scientific or Microsoft Disability Answer Desk had a
resolution to this problem, but I find this highly unsatisfactory.
All other Office 2016 programs seem to work fine, but this issue with
message reading in Outlook 2016 is a real show stopper, at least for
me.

On 5/18/17, Alan Robbins <alan1057@me.com> wrote:
I think we simply need to embrace and work out issues as they arise. I deal
with the same thing with JAWS and IOS

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Oh, I understand completely, Mike.

The thing is, though, that Microsoft is increasingly moving toward
subscription services like Office 365. So, eventually, systems like Office
2010 are going to become obsolete and no longer supported.

I find myself railing aginst this trend more and more, because of its
potentially serious accessibility implications for us, but I'm not quite
sure what the best alternative really is at this time.

Will be interesting in the coming years, for sure.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Tom, this is the biggest reason I never signed up for MS 365. I've stayed
with Office 2010 because I can use it easly and don't have to worry about
newer versions and there lack of accessibility with JAWS.
Just my 1.96 cents worth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

Don:

For the most part, I would say that Jaws works reasonably well with Office
365, and particularly with Word and Outlook.

However, I do find that when Office 365 is updated (which turns out to be
fairly frequently), certain functions that used to work properly no longer
do. One recent example in this regard has been the ability to effectively
navigate and edit e-mail groups in Outlook. For some reason, the usual
arrow and other key commands don't seem to work as well as they once did.

I'll be interested in the thoughts of others.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Does Jaws work well with Microsoft Office 365? Mostly concerned about how
well it would work with Word and Outlook.
Thanks



















jfw sounds

William Vandervest
 

    is there a way to setup startup and shutdown sounds in jaws 18?
 
 
timelord09@...

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd


Re: numbering in lists, etc.

William Vandervest
 

i have the same question
using win 10 1703 and windows live mail with jfw 18
thanks





timelord09@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 07:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: numbering in lists, etc.

Hi,

Is there a way to get Jaws to say the item number in a list such as
email 32 of 345? I currently have no idea as to how many more email
messages I have to go through this morning, grin. Thank you.

Carol


Turning off speech for modifier keys

Scott Wheat
 

Hello all,

 

How do I turn off speech for modifier keys? For example when I press alt-tab, ctrl-tab or windows-d etc. I don’t want to hear it.

I know I have seen this somewhere, but now can’t find it.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Scott

 


iTunes Keyboard Shortcuts, Full List & URL

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Here y'all go:

iTunes Keyboard Shortcuts
 
 
iTunes for Windows: iTunes keyboard shortcuts
 
You can use keyboard shortcuts to quickly accomplish many tasks in iTunes. To find the shortcuts for common commands, look in the iTunes menus, or use
the table below as a reference.
 
Many items in the iTunes window (for example, songs and column headings) also have shortcut menus that let you do tasks quickly. To see a shortcut menu,
right-click the item.
 
To turn on full keyboard navigation, choose Edit > Preferences, click General, and select “Enable full keyboard navigation.”
 
Some screen readers override keyboard combinations built into iTunes; check the screen reader documentation for instructions on customizing key combinations.
 

Play music, video, and more
 
table with 2 columns and 14 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Start or stop playing the selected song
 
Space Bar
 
Play the currently selected song
 
Enter
 
Move forward or backward within a song
 
Control–Alt–Right Arrow or Left Arrow
 
Listen to the next or previous album in a list
 
Shift–Right Arrow or Left Arrow
 
Go to the next or previous song in a list
 
Left Arrow or Right Arrow (or click the Skip Forward or Skip Backward controls in the upper-left corner of the iTunes window)
 
Show the currently playing song in the list
 
Control-L
 
When a song is playing, play the next song in a list
 
Right Arrow
 
When a song is playing, play the previous song in a list
 
Left Arrow
 
Increase the volume
 
Control–Up Arrow
 
Decrease the volume
 
Control–Down Arrow
 
Mute the sound (song keeps playing)
 
Control–Alt–Down Arrow
 
Go to the next or last chapter (if available)
 
Control–Shift–Right Arrow or Left Arrow
 
Stream audio file at a specific URL to iTunes
 
Control-U
table end
 
Create and manage playlists
 
table with 2 columns and 6 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Create a new playlist
 
Control-N
 
Create a playlist from a selection of songs
 
Control-Shift-N
 
Create a new Smart Playlist
 
Control-Alt-N
 
Refresh the Radio list (when Radio is selected)
 
F5
 
Refresh a Genius Playlist (when the playlist is selected)
 
F5
table end
 
Manage your iTunes library and media files
 
table with 2 columns and 13 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Add a file to your music library
 
Control-O
 
Show where a song file is located
 
Control-R
 
Select the search field
 
Control-F
 
Edit the name of the currently selected item
 
F2
 
Undo your last typing change while still in edit mode
 
Control-Z
 
Cut the selected song’s information or artwork
 
Control-X
 
Copy the selected song’s information or artwork
 
Control-C
 
Paste the selected song’s information or artwork
 
Control-V
 
Choose artwork for the selected video
 
While the video is playing, Control-click the movie, and choose Set Poster Frame
 
Select or deselect all the songs in a list
 
Control-click the checkbox next to a song
 
Select all the songs in the list
 
Control-A
 
Deselect all the songs in the list
 
Control-Shift-A
table end
 
Change what you see
 
table with 2 columns and 13 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Switch to the MiniPlayer
 
Control-Shift-M
 
Enter or exit full-screen view
 
Control-Shift-F
 
Open the song or CD Info window for the selected song or CD
 
Control-I
 
In the Info window, see the info for the next or previous song in the list
 
Alt-N or Alt-P
 
See more options when a visual effect is showing
 
Press ?, then press the indicated key to use an option (not all visual effects support this)
 
Close the iTunes window
 
Control-W
 
Show or hide the Column Browser
 
Control-B
 
Turn the visualizer on or off
 
Control-T
 
Switch between viewing visual effects using the entire screen or in the iTunes window (when visualizer is on)
 
Control-Shift-F
 
Open the View Options window for the selected source
 
Control-J
 
Expand or collapse all the triangles in the Radio’s Stream list
 
Control-click a triangle
 
Refresh source list
 
F5
table end
 
Find items in the iTunes Store
 
table with 2 columns and 7 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Go to the next page in the iTunes Store
 
Control–Right Bracket ( ] )
 
Go to the previous page in the iTunes Store
 
Control–Left Bracket ( [ )
 
Check for new podcast episodes (when Podcasts is selected)
 
F5
 
Initiate a search in the iTunes Store (from anywhere in iTunes)
 
Type in Search field and press Shift-Return
 
Open the Store menu
 
Alt-S
 
Check for app updates (when Apps is selected)
 
F5
table end
 
Other shortcuts
 
table with 2 columns and 6 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Prevent iPod, iPhone, or iPad from automatically syncing when you connect it to your computer
 
Control-Shift as you connect the device to your computer (hold the keys down until the device appears in the iTunes window)
 
Open iTunes Preferences
 
Control-Comma
 
Eject a CD
 
Control-E
 
Open iTunes in “safe mode” (without external plug-ins)
 
Control-Shift (while opening iTunes)
 
Interrupt the current process (burning a CD, syncing, converting a file, and so on)
 
Control-Break
table end
 
Full keyboard navigation commands
 
table with 2 columns and 4 rows
Action
 
Shortcut
 
Select the next control
 
Tab
 
Click the currently selected control
 
Enter
 
Open or close the selected item’s disclosure triangle
 
Left Arrow or Right Arrow, or + and - on the numeric keypad
table end
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: JAWS scripts

Soronel Haetir
 

Jaws doesn't really have an equivalent to WE apps. Jaws scripting is
really only meant for making existing programs usable, not for
implementing entirely new functionality. And as far as I am aware
there is no central location for finding third-party jaws scripts.

On 5/19/17, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
So with Window eyes you had aps that you could download and install. Is
it the same thing with jaws scripts? Where can I learn more about scripts?
Thanks



--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


JAWS scripts

Don H
 

So with Window eyes you had aps that you could download and install. Is it the same thing with jaws scripts? Where can I learn more about scripts?
Thanks


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

David Moore
 

Hi,

I use VLC media player, and it is very accessible with the touch cursor like you said. It will play any video or audio that I can thinkof, and easily play blue ray movies. VLC rocks, and it is open source which I love. There even add ons to do even more with it. Go VLC Media player over any other!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Oops, sorry.  VLC is a really cool open-source media player and a program that can make use of the touch cursor.  It just may be the best player on the market, commercial or otherwise.

 

Ted

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:28 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi Ted,

With all the new terminology that I am learning, could you tell me what you

mean by (see VLC)?

There are so many different things in JAWS and the feature names are not

familiar to me. I get lost in all the new words.

 

ThanksShannon

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted

(CHFS DMS)

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:22 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

I Believe the tabs also work (see VLC).  It shows controls you can't see any

other way.  Wish it knew what they were!

 

Ted

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

There are two touch cursor navigation modes: basic and advanced. The basic

mode will let you navigate controls within an app (left and right arrows),

while advanced mode will let you navigate through object hierarchy/GUI

element tree structure.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:45 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used

in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual

touch screen.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: "Shannon" <shannon@...>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM

Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

 

> Bill,

> This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are

> there but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.

> I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The

> arrow keys and the number pad  tab and shift tab move this guy around

> but I heard the numpad say something about rotering through different

> kinds of controls.

> I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other

> things I know are there? They are different from the ones it did find?

> Mostly it found buttons and headers.

> Thanks for the info.

> Shannon

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Mario

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow

> keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

> -------- Original Message --------

> From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

> 1.       Open the program you want to navigate.

> 2.

> Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop

> layout,

> SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON

> Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to

> navigate between the various controls. When you find a control you

> want to activate, press SPACE BAR.

> Bill White

> Billwhite92701@...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Shannon

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs

> that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have

> buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl

> Tab or arrow key reachable.

> To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

> Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what

> perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It

> never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad

> for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a

> mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

> Thanks

> Shannon

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Randy Barnett

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the

> default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and

> arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer

> with the arrow keys.

> this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor

> was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first

> two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started

> using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it

> sounds once you have used them for a wile.

> On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

> That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

> So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser

> Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

> Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can

> not worry about it. I don't have one of those.

> Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most

> likely, I don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal

> with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same

time.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Joseph Lee

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Hi,

> At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the

> latest release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going

> to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later

> JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to

> use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are

> also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality

> such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has

> received mixed reviews.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Shannon

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Randy ,

> You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid

> to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

> Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

> Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version

> coming out? Creator?

> Oh boy!

> Thanks

> Shannon

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Randy Barnett

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10

> is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But

> to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.

> On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

> I am running windows 8.1.

> I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I

> don't like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if

> it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the

> programs mentioned. Don't really  know which is the culprit.

> Thanks

> Shannon

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Randy Barnett

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing

> most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my

> preference and most business's still use it.

> On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

> Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Shannon

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

> Good morning,

> I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions

> from WindowEyes.

> I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what

> it can and cannot do.

> I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through,

> and that is only one of my concerns.

> I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things

> mentioned by others concern me.

> I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

> I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true?

> That would be a deal breaker for me.

> I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a

> daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

> I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

> Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email

> profiles set up and I need access to them.

> Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be

> clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that

> feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time

> keeping software programs.

> The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't

> tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A

> virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse

> overlay?

> Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read

> the screen with the mouse?

> Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I

> can't tell what I can and can't do.

> I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the

> three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well

> and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

> Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even

> do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

> If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

> Thanks for your time.

> Shannon

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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Ted,

         If it's reasonably easy to describe how and when you use the touch cursor when using VLC I'd love to hear about it.  This is an area of JAWS that I still don't feel entirely comfortable with, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

          Real life examples, even if they're really simple ones, tend to illustrate concepts and points so much better than thousands of pages of abstract discussion does.
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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Oops, sorry. VLC is a really cool open-source media player and a program that can make use of the touch cursor. It just may be the best player on the market, commercial or otherwise.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi Ted,
With all the new terminology that I am learning, could you tell me what you
mean by (see VLC)?
There are so many different things in JAWS and the feature names are not
familiar to me. I get lost in all the new words.

ThanksShannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

I Believe the tabs also work (see VLC). It shows controls you can't see any
other way. Wish it knew what they were!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi,
There are two touch cursor navigation modes: basic and advanced. The basic
mode will let you navigate controls within an app (left and right arrows),
while advanced mode will let you navigate through object hierarchy/GUI
element tree structure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used
in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual
touch screen.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon" <shannon@bartchroofing.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are
there but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The
arrow keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around
but I heard the numpad say something about rotering through different
kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other
things I know are there? They are different from the ones it did find?
Mostly it found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop
layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to
navigate between the various controls. When you find a control you
want to activate, press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs
that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have
buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl
Tab or arrow key reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It
never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad
for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a
mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the
default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and
arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer
with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor
was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first
two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started
using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it
sounds once you have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser
Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can
not worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most
likely, I don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal
with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same
time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the
latest release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going
to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later
JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to
use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are
also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality
such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has
received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid
to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10
is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But
to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I
don't like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if
it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the
programs mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing
most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my
preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions
from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what
it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through,
and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true?
That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a
daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email
profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be
clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that
feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time
keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't
tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A
virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse
overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read
the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I
can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the
three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well
and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even
do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon





















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Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I didn’t say anything like that.  That observation was for the list.  His supercilious attitude (as though I just rode into town on a head of cabbage) was uncalled for, but, as I said, there’s one in every crowd.  He’s not typical of the folks I’ve worked with over the years.  Then again, it may have been a bad day; we all have them.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Ted,

 

I think it is not uncommon that we speak to tech support agents that are much younger than us and have of course not been using computers as long. That however does not mean they don’t know more or can’t help with specific problems. You do of course run into some which seem to be not too knowledgeable and as far as I am concerned that is primarily a training issue, but if you call with the attitude that you have been using a PC longer and know more than you might as well not call, do the research about whatever problem you have and fix it yourself. I have been helped in a big way by Microsoft Accessibility as well as by Jaws support and other support lines on numerous occasions, if I feel I am talking to somebody who isn’t competent or willing to try his or her best I just hang up and call back or maybe ask for a higher level of support.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

When we first started teaching Windows to talk here at the cabinet, DFB in Kentucky was promoting JAWS.  At that time, it was basic transportation, but stable, and that was 20 years ago.  I’d like to explore NVDA in some depth, but  may not find the time in the immediate future.

 

Re:  tech support, overall it has been really strong, but I have noticed a slight tendency toward condescension in some newer personnel.  I’ll bet a nickel I’ve been using  PC’s longer than the last twit to whom I spoke, but there’s one in every crowd.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Just for a tiny bit of perspective from someone who was once "on the other side" as a software developer it is unrealistic to expect any software maker to support a given version of something "in perpetuity."  Now, mind you, that's not to say that say, three or four of the most recent versions of a piece of software such as JAWS should not be simultaneously maintained, as I believe they should.  As many have pointed out, they're not seeking the new "bells and whistles" that are perpetually being added not only to JAWS, but to almost any piece of software you can name that's under active maintenance.   Freedom Scientific (now VFO) has historically been using "upgrade to the new version" as their fix for everything for as long as I've been tutoring JAWS.  What's worse, and I've experienced it more than once, is that there have been instances where the new version breaks existing functionality in specific circumstances and how that escaped testing is beyond me.

The long and the sort of it is that there are now very serious and very good competitors to JAWS that are available at little or no cost, depending on whether they ship with the OS you're using or not.  If I had my druthers the state agency for which I do most of my tutoring would have transitioned to one of those several years ago, but getting any bureaucracy to change is a long, slow proposition.  At the individual level it need not be and for certain alternatives the learning curve is not particularly steep.
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Re: decaccess 32

Tony
 

That was a great unit. The only problem I had was that if the data stream to them wasn't done carefully they would lock up. As I remember it took a reboot to get them synced again.
My last one had been repaired a couple of times and had wires hanging out of it when I quit using it.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decaccess 32

Hi,
As far as I know, this synth is not available for JAWS any longer despite being a supported synthesizer as part of the JAWS synthesizer and braille manager. I tried calling FreedomScientific about this a few years back as this is my favorite synth too and they do not sell an authorization for it any longer.
The only solution to this I have found is to obtain a DecTalk Express hardware synth if you can find one. These usually appear from time to time online.


On 5/19/17, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
As everyone knows we all get used to our favorite syn. For me I used
Decaccess32 with window eyes. Is this syn available for Jaws?
I am a total newbee with Jaws but so far I like it. Can't wait to
learn all its ins and outs.
Thanks




Re: web page search

Jonas Voll
 

Control; + F
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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:49 PM
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Subject: web page search

With a web page open, is there a way to search for a word and automatically move to that place on the page?
Thanks




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Re: Anyone with a good experience using One note.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Didn't a former member of this list market a set of scripts for that program?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Anyone with a good experience using One note.

It is actually not bad at all now on the iPhone, I just wish it were more accessible on the PC with Jaws, here it is also useable, but not as much as a like and with as much speed as I would like.


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Subject: Re: Anyone with a good experience using One note.

I tried it about a year ago and found it pretty much unusable.

On 5/17/17, Adekoya Rasak <rasakadekoya@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello friends,

I just installed microsoft office 2016 and it comes with one note.
anyone here with competence experience using it with jaws? if yes, any
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Re: web page search

Maria Campbell
 

Press control plus f, type your word, press enter and you will be on the word.

A key combo never to forget.


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On 5/19/2017 3:49 PM, Don H wrote:
With a web page open, is there a way to search for a word and automatically move to that place on the page?
Thanks