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Re: running a dos program

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I found out years ago that some DOS programs don't run well in a DOS window, so I can't say whether or not the Motorola software will work. However, as indicated, full command capability remains. I still use it when I want something quick and easy.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: running a dos program

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Carol Smith
 

Actually, I never gave it any thought, but with Window-Eyes and Excel, the coordinates are spoken first, the contents next and information about the dell, money, date, etc. are spoken afterward.

Carol

On 6/8/2017 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) wrote:
I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I got my first real spreadsheet training around 1990. Over the years, I used Artic Business Vision, VOS, ASAP, and, of course, JAWS. Far as I can remember, cells have always been announced the same way; guess I never gave it much thought until now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario,
After doing all of this and rearranging a few lines.
I deleted the entire script entry.
Guess what happened?
Not a thing!
Without that stuff in there it still says the contents and then the coordinates.
So the answer must be tied to something else.
Shannon
P.s.
I copied all of the jaws excel script into note pad for back up before I did anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

yep, same issue I'm having.

at the end of one of Tom's replys, he mentioned about a setting in JAWS.
I wonder if he meant the Cell verbosity, which in my case, it's set to
contents and coordinates. but changing it to contents only is not
practical. these are the only choices for cell verbosity. maybe there's
another setting to adjust?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 4:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Hi all,
I gave up intrying to over think it and just did a cut and paste.
At first it would not save. I got some sort of error.
Then I read Joseph's message below and learned about compialing. I did
the whole thing over cut and pasted what Tom provided.
I did the ctrl S and I was told it compiled.
But it still is reading the contents and then the coordinates.
It didn't change the behavior.
Here is what I pasted.
Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
EndIf
EndScript
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Hi,
Was the script compiled at all? You need to compile the script
(Control+S) before it takes effect.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom, I followed along but the coordinates are still announced after the
contents. I don't understand why does it not work for me, might I have
to do a repair of JAWS?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 3:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

We are moving the line from between the endIF statements to before the

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

statement.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Correction: if I understood, there’s no line to delete, just insert.

Ted

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

I’ve been following this, as I haven’t done any cookbook mods to a
script for a good while. I think Tom is inserting the line “SayCell()”
immediately prior to “*if CellReadingVerbosity” . . ., and that makes
the change. If all else fails, try using cut-and-paste, to avoid
mistyping. Delete the original line, and paste from the clipboard.*

**

*Ted*

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Actually Richard gives a good response.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:47 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Tom,

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in
the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

I have no idea at all what the ! () && have to do with anything so I
don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to
*readCellContentsAndCoordinates *Which is the default choice

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say
*readCellCoordinatesANDContents*

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

Thanks a lot

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers
me How to customize it?

Ok, I will give this a go.

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “*Script SayCell()” with
out the quotes *

*Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the
following *

**

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

**

*You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so
that it is before *

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

**

*That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the
file.*

*When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws
automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal
folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up
any new or modified scripts.*

*To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter
S. Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close
the script manager. *

Your changes will take effect immediately.

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal
folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good
to go.

Regards

Tom Bisset

**

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me
How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing
about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this
without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up
first, that would be very useful.

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey
with this.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.

regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Bissett, Tom
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

*Script SayCell()*

*If OnSpreadSheet()*

*&& !OnFormulaBar() then*

* SayCell()*

* if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then*

* SayActiveCellCoordinates()*

* Endif*

*; SayCell()*

*EndIf*

*EndScript*

I commented out the line

* SayCell()*

*And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above *

Regards

Tom Bisset

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not
how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced
settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again

Shannon

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.

2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3. Hit enter.

4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Shannon
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.

Thanks

Shannon














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Re: Making English the only language?

Tyler Spivey
 

These are languages in Windows.

I assume you're on Windows 10. Try this to remove extra languages:
1. Press windows+i to open Settings.
2. tab and find Time & language in the list. Press enter.
3. Find Region & language, press enter.
4. in the list of languages, press enter on one and remove it by pressing the Remove button.

On 6/6/2017 8:14 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
I know this question has probably been already asked and answered but,
how do I make English the only language in JAWS? Here is what I’m
encountering. When I copy a product code or, activation number,then try
to exit, I hear, “control,alt,F4. The only way to fix this is to go
into the language menu, control spacebar and cycle through the 3
languages, latin American, French and U S. I should mention this only
happens when I use my right hand to exit, using the left, it is fine.
How do I fix my foul up in settings.


Re: running a dos program

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi Sieghard meant to say Jed not yourself
Apologies.
Michelle


Re: running a dos program

Soronel Haetir
 

Umm, you only need an admin cmd prompt if you intend to run admin-only
actions. There are plenty of things you can do with a normal-user
prompt.

On 6/7/17, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@wideband.net.au> wrote:
Hi there Sieghard

What about command prompt to access this you will need to open it with admin
privileges. "
Michelle

Sent from Michelle's iPhone

On 8 Jun 2017, at 10:10 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command
prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it
sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they
actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can
give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally
ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.








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Re: A program that duplicates what is on the screen?

Soronel Haetir
 

If you are using remote assistance over anything but a local network
sound is simply very likely to be delayed. I am not aware of any way
to improve this. (The jaws remote access option gets around this
problem by sending accessibility events rather than audio and having
the audio then rendered on the client system, but this is not
practical for most remote assistance situations as it requires jaws on
both ends of the connection).

Even switching to lower quality voices isn't likely to help as by the
time the sound information is being sent it has already been rendered
to a full-quality audio stream.

On 6/7/17, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Jim says that same thing, that he can't see what I'm talking
about or what he hears JAWS saying.

Best From,

Carolyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A program that duplicates what is on the screen?

Here is my problem. When phoning Microsoft disability help
line, what JAWS is reading out to me is different to what
they are seeing on my laptop screen. I know JAWS is about
15 seconds behind the instruction I am given by the help
desk. But, they can't see the problem I am having because
as a sighted person explained to me, "David, I have no idea
where you are on the screen." She was sitting next to me,
Microsoft was doing a remote access. The specific problem?
Setting up a VPN. The server says I am not connected yet
the person at Microsoft could not see that problem and had
no idea what I was talking about. What screen readers read
out is not the same as what the sighted see. Is JAWS
capable of duplicating what the sighted see on the computer
screen? It's maddening when you have a problem and the
sighted cannot see it. It could also be as simple as, the
person at Microsoft can't see what is under their own nose.
Who, knows.






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Re: running a dos program

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi there Sieghard

What about command prompt to access this you will need to open it with admin privileges. "
Michelle

Sent from Michelle's iPhone

On 8 Jun 2017, at 10:10 am, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Any version of Windows including Windows 10 will give you a command prompt, just type "cmd" into the run command.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: running a dos program

Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah it sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that can give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's totally ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such a program.






Re: Programming Language

Soronel Haetir
 

Not just any program, the needed information needs to be available
somehow and not all programs give even this much.

The scripting language is for situations where the information is
available, just not in the usual way (else jaws would have picked up
on whatever is to be read with no additional work).

On 6/7/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
JAWS includes a programming language that allows it to be customized to
work with any Windows application. This programming language is commonly
referred to as JAWS Scripting and is a programming language that is
proprietary to JAWS. It is sometimes called JSL.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 1:54 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming
language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net
language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type
(it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible
programs with basically no additional work on the part of the
programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which
requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString
function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS
where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by screenreaders
like
JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I may have to learn? I could
be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of language codes that should be
implemented, like how JAWS recognizes the browser of the Windows Operating
Systems, for example, that which is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like
to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus
Johnson, but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons,
checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just
write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: running a dos program

Soronel Haetir
 

And note that if the programs are actually DOS based (that is 16-bit
programs) and you are running a 64-bit version of windows you are
going to have to jump through some major hoops. With 64-bit windows
you can not run 16-bit programs natively, you have to use a 32-bit
virtual machine.

cmd.exe looks a lot like DOS but it is most definitely _not_ DOS.

On 6/7/17, Vaughan Dodd <vdodd001@vodafone.co.nz> wrote:
Yes: but you need to be something of an old style dos operator. There
are many commands still available for assisting with system maintenance
but documentation as to what those commands are and what they do is hard
to find.

I can recall having a persistent Outlook error which was solved by
running a utility only available from the command prompt.

I suspect that JFW will behave similarly to Window-Eyes - that is - no
form of review or customisation. You command - and you get!

Vaughan.



On 6/8/2017 1:10 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know just how close to this you can get with Windows now days,
but
are you able to do anything with the command prompt?
Have a look at any book or tutorial on Microsoft PowerShell.







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Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Richard Turner
 

Off that page is one just for Skype. It too has a 30 day free trial. Here is the link to that page.

https://applian.com/replay-telecorder/


HTH,
Richard




Noun: trumpery
1. (informal) statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense
2. Ornamental objects of no great value
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On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:07 PM, HH. Smith Jr. <teos1@islands.vi> wrote:

Hi,

I use the applian suite at:

https://applian.com/windows/

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Total Recorder can record a skype call, I don't know if it records video of
the call, however.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:22:52 -0400,
Mich Verrier wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] hi you can use skype
recorder all though i don?t know how to use it how ever i have herd of it.
from Mich.
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Hello All,

I have the latest version of Skype, the auto update gave me a new version
a few days ago. I am running JAWS 17, latest version, and Windows 10 with
all the latest updates.

I have an important Skype call coming up as soon as Friday, and I was
wondering if there is a JAWS accessible way of recording the call,
including the video of the other participants, and play it back? If there
is a non-accessible way that involves a sighted person clicking something,
please let me know that as well and I will make the necessary arrangements
to have someone here to do that. Lastly, can I set up Skype to record all
calls without me having to manually start each time? Please advise, and much
thanks.

Tim Ford

--
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How do
you spend it?

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covici@ccs.covici.com







Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

I use the applian suite at:

https://applian.com/windows/

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Total Recorder can record a skype call, I don't know if it records video of
the call, however.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:22:52 -0400,
Mich Verrier wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] hi you can use skype
recorder all though i don?t know how to use it how ever i have herd of it.
from Mich.
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can I record a Skype conversation with JAWS?

Hello All,

I have the latest version of Skype, the auto update gave me a new version
a few days ago. I am running JAWS 17, latest version, and Windows 10 with
all the latest updates.

I have an important Skype call coming up as soon as Friday, and I was
wondering if there is a JAWS accessible way of recording the call,
including the video of the other participants, and play it back? If there
is a non-accessible way that involves a sighted person clicking something,
please let me know that as well and I will make the necessary arrangements
to have someone here to do that. Lastly, can I set up Skype to record all
calls without me having to manually start each time? Please advise, and much
thanks.

Tim Ford

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici
covici@ccs.covici.com


Problem solved, kind of

David & his pack of dogs
 

I did some poking around and managed to activate my PIA VPN without the Microsoft help line assistance. In a way, it was as I thought.  The agent just didn’t look around that much.  Actually when I suggested we go to the Private internet access website to try and activate it, he didn’t seem that interested and stood on the idea of nothing was wrong. Now, on to the next problem.  Smile.    


Re: running a dos program

Vaughan Dodd
 

Yes: but you need to be something of an old style dos operator. There are many commands still available for assisting with system maintenance but documentation as to what those commands are and what they do is hard to find.

I can recall having a persistent Outlook error which was solved by running a utility only available from the command prompt.

I suspect that JFW will behave similarly to Window-Eyes - that is - no form of review or customisation. You command - and you get!

Vaughan.

On 6/8/2017 1:10 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know just how close to this you can get with Windows now days, but
are you able to do anything with the command prompt?
Have a look at any book or tutorial on Microsoft PowerShell.




Re: running a dos program

Jason White
 

Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know just how close to this you can get with Windows now days, but
are you able to do anything with the command prompt?

Have a look at any book or tutorial on Microsoft PowerShell.


Re: running a dos program

Carol Smith
 

I don't know just how close to this you can get with Windows now days, but are you able to do anything with the command prompt? Might it be possible to load a version of DOS from there?

On 6/7/2017 6:10 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,

OK, this may seem like i'm going back to the dark ages, and OK, yeah
it sure is. I have to program some radios, and typical motorola they
actually have some dos software. Is there any sort of program that
can give me a dos prommpt so i can run the software? If not, that's
totally ok. Figured i would ask, if jaws 18 would even run with such
a program.



Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Yes. There is a delay. That is why the only way I can
figure, and I'm a little minus mediocre on the tech scale,
but if when you are in one of them, Press Windows-Tab, which
will put the open one on the Taskbar. Then go into the other
one. Then you can see-saw back and forth with Alt-Tab.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws

I know that. That wasn't the question.

You can't alt-tab between then and there is a delay when
toggling back and forth with the control1 and control2
commands.



Thanks anyway.



Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerry Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws



Hi,



Once you are in the inbox or calander in Outlook, hit
Control and 1 for the inbox and Control and 2 for the
calander. Works out of the box.







Take care,



Gerry Ellis



If you don't know where you're going,

How will you know when you get there?



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Outlook Calendar and Jaws



AS someone who is having to make the switch from Window-Eyes
to Jaws, one of the things I most valued with Window-Eyes
was the ability to use a hotkey to pop up the Outlook
Calendar in a separate window so I could alt-tab between my
inbox and the calendar.



Does Jaws have anyway to do this?





Thanks,

Richard






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Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Well, and I don't think you can Alt-Tab back and forth,
unless you pressed Windows-M and put one of them on the
Taskbar. Then you would have them open and could go back and
forth.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Kimberly Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws

This only works if you are using traditional versions of
outlook. If you are using Outlook 360 as part of your job
this does not work.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerry Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Calendar and Jaws



Hi,



Once you are in the inbox or calander in Outlook, hit
Control and 1 for the inbox and Control and 2 for the
calander. Works out of the box.







Take care,



Gerry Ellis



If you don't know where you're going,

How will you know when you get there?



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Outlook Calendar and Jaws



AS someone who is having to make the switch from Window-Eyes
to Jaws, one of the things I most valued with Window-Eyes
was the ability to use a hotkey to pop up the Outlook
Calendar in a separate window so I could alt-tab between my
inbox and the calendar.



Does Jaws have anyway to do this?





Thanks,

Richard






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Re: Pasting into a command window

Scott Wheat
 

Bill,

 

Thanks! That works!

 

Scott

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pasting into a command window

 

Hi, Kevin. Use ALT plus C to copy what you want in the clipboard. Then when you are ready to paste into the commandline:

1. Press ALT plus SPACE.

2. ARROW down to the EDIT submenu and press ENTER.

3. ARROW down to PASTE, and press ENTER.

 

The contents of the clipboard will now be pasted into the commandline.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pasting into a command window

 

Would alt control V for the paste dialog be of assistance?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Wheat
Sent: June 7, 2017 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Pasting into a command window

 

Hello,

 

Using JAWS 18, how can I paste the clipboard contents into a command window.

You can not simply press ctrl-v. Also, you can’t hit the context key and get a menu and select paste.

When using WindowEyes, I could route the mouse pointer to the upper left or upper right corner of the window, press the key for a right click which would bring up the context menu and then you select edit and paste.

I can not figure out how to do this with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Scott

 


Re: Pasting into a command window

Scott Wheat
 

Thanks for the suggestion, unfortunately, it does not work.

 

Scott

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pasting into a command window

 

Would alt control V for the paste dialog be of assistance?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Wheat
Sent: June 7, 2017 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Pasting into a command window

 

Hello,

 

Using JAWS 18, how can I paste the clipboard contents into a command window.

You can not simply press ctrl-v. Also, you can’t hit the context key and get a menu and select paste.

When using WindowEyes, I could route the mouse pointer to the upper left or upper right corner of the window, press the key for a right click which would bring up the context menu and then you select edit and paste.

I can not figure out how to do this with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Scott