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Re: Facebook and messaging

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

I have success with using messanger on the Facebook page although I use the computer version not mobile—I’m assuming that’s what you mean by M.facebook or however you put it? If you’re using JAWS, you should be able to just hit enter on your keyboard after going to messager and you can scroll through your messages. They’re listed in a table thing where the person’s message appears on the left column and some checkbox or something is in the right. I’ve found that if you click the person’s message, about twice—press enter and then spacebar, you’ll be on that person’s message. You can then do anything you want like viewing the messages in the conversation, going into the actions and either archiving/deleting/doing other stuff—this takes some work arounds but I’ve got that covered too. If you want to delete a message, you can hit enter or space on the action thing, arrow down to delete, and press enter again. However, to get into where you can delete things or archive them, you have to tab and arrow righyt to your selection before pressing space. It’s a bit of a pain, but that’s what I’ve seen to work so far. Need any more help, feel free to e-mail this list.

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

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From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Facebook and messaging

 

Is there anyone using the m.facebook page, who has success with
messaging?  I don't have much success, and the messenger page more often
than not crashes when I try to open it after someone has sent me a
message.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.



--

lucky1inct@...
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.


 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I’d like to know two, Brian.  It shows a lot of buttons and at least 3 boxes that were heretofore not visible; wish I knew what they were.  This actually harks back to a discussion we were having about a year ago.  I guess I could try entering, but there’s no telling what I’m entering on.  This is supposed to be the fully-enabled version with Blu-ray support and resume.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Ted,

         If it's reasonably easy to describe how and when you use the touch cursor when using VLC I'd love to hear about it.  This is an area of JAWS that I still don't feel entirely comfortable with, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

          Real life examples, even if they're really simple ones, tend to illustrate concepts and points so much better than thousands of pages of abstract discussion does.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Now you guys see where I was going last week. As I said then, there's one in every crowd.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Just thought I provide a quick update that I solved my problem without Jaws tech support, should have probably done so right away instead of spending 10 minutes on the phone argueing with this lady about how long Jaws has been around. In the end I simply decided to completely uninstall Jaws, I removed shared components since I don't have Openbook or anything like that installed, also removed all user settings after first exporting a backup copy. Then I reinstalled Jaws and before I imported my settings again I tried Sage 50 and another of my retail applications which wouldn't read and all was working as before. I then imported my settings and everything was still working fine. I have no idea what had gone wrong before, but it seems to be fixed.
When I tried to move the Jaws cursor down to the bottom of the screen before and it didn't seem to go there I used the Alt+NumPad Delete command to see where my Jaws cursor was located and it said vertically it was at "14" and it was stuck there. I made sure it was set to "unrestricted" but nothing I did made a difference. Oh well, in the end that only took about 15 or 20 minutes at the most so not too bad.
I just love it when sometimes these tech support people think everybody they talk to is a moron who has no clue and they try to convince you that this can't, in this case, possibly be a problem of Jaws, it must be because the application was updated and has changed or whatever. I told her I was running the 2014 version of Sage 50 because it works well and there have been no updates to it in almost 4 years, I have not changed anything on this PC except installing the Jaws 18.0.2740 update which she of course said couldn't possibly be the problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Oh, Brian, thank you for these words! I once called Freedom Scientific Tech support and got one visually equipped person who could immediately help me because he could see what was going on. I later had a problem with the WordFinder program (a translation dictionary tool) for which JAWS wasn't working too efficiently. I called Freedom Scientific and got a tech support assistant who, from what I could tell, was not visually equipped. I explained that, perhaps, a sighted person would be more able to see what JAWS should be showing and wasn't, and provide helpful feedback as to what I could do to have it work better. The woman got very huffy, obviously deeply insulted. I told her there was a reason for my asking for a sighted assistant, implying no slur to blind tech support people, but to a situation where sight might be helpful, and there was no need to get huffy. Obviously, she was not impressed...



Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

It is the great lie to believe that sight may not be important or critical in solving certain problems quickly and efficiently.

I have been, and probably will be, castigated for stating that but it's true.

Stating the above says nothing, positive or negative, about the competence of someone who's blind or visually impaired. What it does say is that you sometimes face the choice of taking forever to get through something that someone who sees literally sees in real time. When dealing with a primarily visual medium it only makes sense to take that into account when you're in a bind that you need to get out of as promptly as possible.

There is no shame, and no weakness, implied in asking for the most effective assistance one can get in any given situation where one needs it. If one has the luxury of time, and wants to learn something for the sake of learning it, then go methodically plowing through it (and this applies regardless of whether you have vision or not). But if I'm in a work situation and I need something resolved that sight would most likely make faster, it is absolutely not the job of technical support to treat the request as though it were a personal aspersion and they should, in fact, know this themselves if they've been at the job for more than a brief period of time.
--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I know at least one guy who created an early DOS screen reader, so he could maintain his chosen vocation as a programmer.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VFO Tech Support, was: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 04:27 pm, Randy Barnett wrote:

I do most anything I need too but you are right there is no doubt that sight helps and is critical in some situations.

Thank you very much for reflecting back what I had tried to communicate.  It makes me confident that I hit my target.

This is definitely not about encouraging dependence or questioning an individual's abilities.  It's really is a tool to situation feature matching exercise when time is of the essence. 

As an aside, it's been interesting to me over time as I've read folks who are blind and who are computer programmers.  Having been one I would never, ever have thought that this would be possible while retaining one's sanity at the same time.  I was wrong, and it's fascinating to see both the similarities and differences in how the whole task is approached depending on an individual's sensory palette.
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Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: beeps in thunderbird

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

You should be able to read TB messages with the PC cursor and you wont get the beeps.

On 5/21/2017 6:15 PM, Don H wrote:
Posted a question regarding some short beeps while reading a message in Thunderbird. I find that if I open quick settings with Jaws key v under touch cursor options there is a use sounds. I unchecked this and the beeps went away. As a newbe I don't know what this use sounds options is used for. Should I leave the use sounds checked for some reason beyond my current knowledge of Jaws?
Thanks


Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Pablo Morales
 

Yes, but we are able to disable the Kurzweil speech. Really jaws is muted, but it is still active in the computer. If you press alt + tab to go to another app, jaws is unmuted and gets muted again as soon the cursor or focus is back on Kurzweil. The Kurzweil voice is good, but make a little bit slow the process working on Kurzweil, I have been trying to turn off the Kurzweil voice, something that is possible, but I have not been able to unmute jaws on Kurzweil. I know that is Kurzweil who mutes jaws, but looks like Kurzweil take the audio driver control and return it back to jaws when the focus moves out of Kurzweil.
Any way, thank you so much,

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

Hi again, Pablo,

The suggestion for Kurzweil will not work. Jaws is turned off and since Kurzweil uses the insert key, it can't be used to activate Jaws. Maybe someone else has the correct answer. It might be that there is a way to stop the Jaws functions from being turned off before the program loads.

Carol


On 5/20/2017 9:46 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:
You can press insert + space bar, then s to toggle speech off or on.
I am trying to do the opposite of what you want to do. I am wondering how did you do to make jaws speak on Kurzweil?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: silencing Jaws during self-voicing programs

How do I get Jaws to stop speaking while running programs that have their own speech? For example, Kurzweil has a Jaws built-in way to take care of this. I would like to play my BlindGamers games without having to shut Jaws down completely. Can this be done? Thanks.

Carol









Re: beeps in thunderbird

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Don. When using the Touch Cursor, you need the sounds to know when focus has been gained with the Space Bar. I would leave "Use Sounds" on so you will have an easier time using the Touch Cursor.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: beeps in thunderbird

Posted a question regarding some short beeps while reading a message in
Thunderbird. I find that if I open quick settings with Jaws key v under
touch cursor options there is a use sounds. I unchecked this and the
beeps went away. As a newbe I don't know what this use sounds options
is used for. Should I leave the use sounds checked for some reason
beyond my current knowledge of Jaws?
Thanks


Re: little beeps while reading

Carol Smith
 

Strictly a guess, but it might be sounds for every time Jaws passes a capital letter.

On 5/21/2017 8:44 PM, Don H wrote:
Running JAWS 18 on a win 10 64 bit system and using Thunderbird as my Email client. I have the vocalizer 2 Tom high set as my syn. As Jaws is reading a Email I hear a slight beep noise throughout the reading of the mail message. Any clues regarding what is causing this?
Thanks



Re: most responsive syn

Mike Rogers
 

I used Tom for years, but now I'm using Vocalizer Nathan. I like it better.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sun, 21 May 2017 17:34:29 -0500
"Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:

Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high.
Thanks.


beeps in thunderbird

Don H
 

Posted a question regarding some short beeps while reading a message in Thunderbird. I find that if I open quick settings with Jaws key v under touch cursor options there is a use sounds. I unchecked this and the beeps went away. As a newbe I don't know what this use sounds options is used for. Should I leave the use sounds checked for some reason beyond my current knowledge of Jaws?
Thanks


Re: returning to default settings

Carol Smith
 

Thank you. That sounds like a great idea. I am currently back to "space" alt'tab, etc. I haven't had time enough to play with the settings today. I have been swamped with email. Pfew!

Carol

On 5/21/2017 4:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Once you have returned to the default settings and have made some basic changes like maybe with voice rate and pitch you might want to save these by performing a settings export. You do this from the Jaws > Utility > Import/Export. This way if something gets messed up you could simply import this backup and you would at least not have to start totally from scratch. As you go along you can make another backup as long as you know all settings work and are as you want them. Especially if you custom label any graphics or define custom dictionary entries it is nice to get these back.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some changes were before I started, grin. Now that I have a little better handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin.
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over? Thank you.

Carol






Re: returning to default settings

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Isn't it a joy now that settings are retained with JAWS updates? It hasn't been long ago when we had to reset them with every upgrade.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to default settings

Once you have returned to the default settings and have made some basic changes like maybe with voice rate and pitch you might want to save these by performing a settings export. You do this from the Jaws > Utility > Import/Export. This way if something gets messed up you could simply import this backup and you would at least not have to start totally from scratch. As you go along you can make another backup as long as you know all settings work and are as you want them. Especially if you custom label any graphics or define custom dictionary entries it is nice to get these back.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some changes were before I started, grin. Now that I have a little better handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin.
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over? Thank you.

Carol


Re: most responsive syn

Jason White
 

Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most
responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom
high.

That's what I'm using too, and it's responsive enough for daily use. I'm
running the new version released for JAWS 18, not the old 1.x version.


Re: returning to default settings

Carol Smith
 

Cute!

Go Cubbies!

Carol


On 5/21/2017 3:49 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Charge?!  They charge me to be on the list!  LOL  LOL 
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: returning to default settings

Thanks again, Mike.  I will try this now and let you know what happens.  How much do you charge for all this extra help, LOL?

Carol
On 5/21/2017 1:58 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
I got this awhile back, but the steps should still work:
From: Freedom Scientific
 
Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific Support.
 
You might try resetting your JAWS user settings. This has been known to fix issues of this type.
To set JAWS to the defaults:
 
If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.
 
1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.
 
2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.
 
3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking for and press enter.
 
4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.
 
5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.
 
6. Press control+A to select all settings then  hold down the shift key  and press the delete key.
 
7. Restart JAWS.
 
If you continue to have issues, please let us know. Please provide your JAWS serial number and we will escalate this issue to our development department.
 Grant Downey
Technical Support Specialist
Freedom Scientific
E-mail Support: support@...
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:58 AM
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some
changes were before I started, grin.  Now that I have a little better
handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory
default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin. 
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over?  Thank you.

Carol






little beeps while reading

Don H
 

Running JAWS 18 on a win 10 64 bit system and using Thunderbird as my Email client. I have the vocalizer 2 Tom high set as my syn. As Jaws is reading a Email I hear a slight beep noise throughout the reading of the mail message. Any clues regarding what is causing this?
Thanks


Re: returning to default settings

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Just a note to add to what Sieghard has said.  This feature is currently only available in Jaws 18, & not earlier versions.  But you can save your settings in earlier versions by copying your ENU folder & saving it somewhere accessible.
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: returning to default settings

Once you have returned to the default settings and have made some basic changes like maybe with voice rate and pitch you might want to save these by performing a settings export. You do this from the Jaws > Utility > Import/Export. This way if something gets messed up you could simply import this backup and you would at least not have to start totally from scratch. As you go along you can make another backup as long as you know all settings work and are as you want them. Especially if you custom label any graphics or define custom dictionary entries it is nice to get these back.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some changes were before I started, grin.  Now that I have a little better handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin. 
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over?  Thank you.

Carol








Re: most responsive syn

Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...>
 

I'm using Deck-talk Express and it is really responsive.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: most responsive syn

Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most
responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom
high.
Thanks.


most responsive syn

Don H
 

Would like to get some opinions regarding which is the best and most responsive syn to use with JAWS I am currently using the vocalizer Tom high.
Thanks.


Re: returning to default settings

Carol Smith
 

Thanks again, Mike.  You have once again come to my rescue. 



Take care,


Carol


On 5/21/2017 1:58 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
I got this awhile back, but the steps should still work:
From: Freedom Scientific
 
Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific Support.
 
You might try resetting your JAWS user settings. This has been known to fix issues of this type.
To set JAWS to the defaults:
 
If you are using any third party scripts, back them up first.
 
1. Press the windows logo key to open the Start Menu.
 
2. Press the letter P for Programs or go to the all programs sub-menu.
 
3. Press the letter J till you come to the JAWS version you are looking for and press enter.
 
4. Press Enter on Explore JAWS.
 
5. Down arrow to explore my settings and press Enter.
 
6. Press control+A to select all settings then  hold down the shift key  and press the delete key.
 
7. Restart JAWS.
 
If you continue to have issues, please let us know. Please provide your JAWS serial number and we will escalate this issue to our development department.
 Grant Downey
Technical Support Specialist
Freedom Scientific
E-mail Support: support@...
Take care, Mike.
Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:58 AM
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some
changes were before I started, grin.  Now that I have a little better
handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory
default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin. 
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over?  Thank you.

Carol





Re: returning to default settings

 

Once you have returned to the default settings and have made some basic changes like maybe with voice rate and pitch you might want to save these by performing a settings export. You do this from the Jaws > Utility > Import/Export. This way if something gets messed up you could simply import this backup and you would at least not have to start totally from scratch. As you go along you can make another backup as long as you know all settings work and are as you want them. Especially if you custom label any graphics or define custom dictionary entries it is nice to get these back.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to default settings

OK, I have gotten tired of playing around without knowing what some changes were before I started, grin. Now that I have a little better handle on how things work, I would like to set Jaws back to the factory default settings so I can start playing around with them again, grin.
How do I do this, or should I uninstall Jaws and start over? Thank you.

Carol