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Re: Accessible Software

John Covici
 

For quickbooks you need the scripts at myblindspot.org to use. There
are screens which even with those scripts, qb is hard/not usable.

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:17:45 -0400,
Miranda Brown wrote:

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Hello Everyone,

I am new to the group and have some questions J

Does anyone use JAWS with Quickbooks?

Does anyone use JAWS with the PSPP statistical software?

Thank you

Miranda Brown

Executive Administrative Assistant

1Touch Project

*

info@1touchproject.com

418 Leffler St

West Burlington, IA 52655

Office: 319-208-1683

Mobile: 319-759-8980

www.1touchproject.com

www.facebook.com/1touchproject

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--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: data tables - associating the data cell with the header

util091@...
 

What am I trying to accomplish?   I have this government 508 checklist and there has to be an association between the data cells and the headers.    I spent the better part of 2 days using the table editor and associating the header cell IDs and it didnt make one bit of difference.

Further more, how is a blind person supposed to place the cursor in the header row?


Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

My drivers aren’t being updated. The store looked at that. The drivers just become uninstalled, and all the keys associated with the drivers in the registry disappear.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 7 VS win 10

 

Bill,

         Take a look at:

         Preventing Windows Update from Updating Device Drivers

It's the only workaround I know of, and I'm not 100% certain that it works like it did in the early Versions of Windows 10, but it can't hurt to try.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Jaws find and find next

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

This will be the case in a document, but if you try to use JAWS Key plus F3 on a web page with Internet Explorer, what you will get is the Vertual Features list, where you can choose from
Anchors List
Block Quotes List,
Buttons list
Check Boxes list
Controls (Selectable ARIA, combo, lists and trees) List
Divisions list
Edit boxes list
Form Fields list, etc.

Try just F3 while in the Web browser, and see if it doesn't work a little better.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws find and find next

My confusion is if you use the Jaws search for command function under
utilities it says that the find next command is jaws key F3 not F3.

On 5/24/2017 3:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. When using Internet Explorer 11, CONTROL plus F works fine for the find command, and F3 works well for the Find Again command. I don't know which browser you are trying to use, but maybe there is a problem with your Windows 10, or maybe you are using another browser besides IE11 which doesn't work well with the F3 Find Again command.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next

Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I
understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F.
I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well
when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if
you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for
searching a web page.










Re: Win 7 VS win 10

 

Bill,

         Take a look at:

         Preventing Windows Update from Updating Device Drivers

It's the only workaround I know of, and I'm not 100% certain that it works like it did in the early Versions of Windows 10, but it can't hurt to try.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: Jaws find and find next

Don H
 

My confusion is if you use the Jaws search for command function under utilities it says that the find next command is jaws key F3 not F3.

On 5/24/2017 3:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. When using Internet Explorer 11, CONTROL plus F works fine for the find command, and F3 works well for the Find Again command. I don't know which browser you are trying to use, but maybe there is a problem with your Windows 10, or maybe you are using another browser besides IE11 which doesn't work well with the F3 Find Again command.
Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next
Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I
understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F.
I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well
when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if
you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for
searching a web page.


Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Douglas C. DeCamp
 

I have been using Win 10 for about 5 months now and am much happier than with my old Win 7 system. Some critical web applications I use had become mostly unusable under win 7, but now work well on my Win 10 system. At least for me, navigation and search are also much faster and more convenient. I am incredibly happy with Win 10. The learning curve took a while because I also upgraded to Office 16 , but once I got going all is fine. I would never willingly go back to Win 7.
Just my personal experience!
--hth---

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 7 VS win 10

Hi, I have been using win 10 for a couple of months now. I am running on the latest generation hardware and I dont see any real improvement over win 7. Actually my perceived acessibility is grater in win 7. Programs and Jaws play nicer together and I dont have to deal with Edge at all. Is this just me or do any of you have a simular experience?
Just trying to get a feel for others experiences. :)


Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

That would be very frustrating. I heard using USB headphones can get you out of a situation like that by at least getting jaws talking to you so you can reinstall your sound card drivers.

On 5/24/2017 1:49 PM, Bill White wrote:
The one thing I've noticed with my Windows 10 is that every now and then, my sound drivers mysteriously disappear, and someone from my computer store must go into my computer remotely and reinstall all the sound drivers again. The last time this happened, all I was doing was to update JAWS to the latest update. I was using the .exe file, not the update option in JAWS.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 7 VS win 10

Hi, I have been using win 10 for a couple of months now. I am running on the latest generation hardware and I dont see any real improvement over win 7. Actually my perceived acessibility is grater in win 7. Programs and Jaws play nicer together and I dont have to deal with Edge at all. Is this just me or do any of you have a simular experience?
Just trying to get a feel for others experiences. :)








Re: Win 7 VS win 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

The one thing I've noticed with my Windows 10 is that every now and then, my sound drivers mysteriously disappear, and someone from my computer store must go into my computer remotely and reinstall all the sound drivers again. The last time this happened, all I was doing was to update JAWS to the latest update. I was using the .exe file, not the update option in JAWS.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 7 VS win 10

Hi, I have been using win 10 for a couple of months now. I am running on the latest generation hardware and I dont see any real improvement over win 7. Actually my perceived acessibility is grater in win 7. Programs and Jaws play nicer together and I dont have to deal with Edge at all. Is this just me or do any of you have a simular experience?
Just trying to get a feel for others experiences. :)


Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Michael Mote
 

Both the application and the file are residing on the local hard drive.  He’s using Eloquence for his speech synthesizer. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee, Amanda *
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

 

Hi Mike,

 

Is the spreadsheet local as well as the Excel application itself.  I have noticed that whenever JAWS is accessing an application or file across a network, that it can become really bogged down.  Also, if it’s local to this user, then how large is the spreadsheet and I’m sure that this is obvious to you, but how is the hard drive access and performance?  Whichever synthesizer is in use as well might likewise affect responsiveness.   

 

Kind regards,

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

 

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 


Win 7 VS win 10

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Hi, I have been using win 10 for a couple of months now. I am running on the latest generation hardware and I dont see any real improvement over win 7. Actually my perceived acessibility is grater in win 7. Programs and Jaws play nicer together and I dont have to deal with Edge at all. Is this just me or do any of you have a simular experience?
Just trying to get a feel for others experiences. :)


Re: Accessible Software

Alyssa <lyssassong@...>
 

SPSS is fully inaccessible. Even with scripts, it barely works. I was supposed to use it for a class. I ended up having a lab assistant.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miranda Brown
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessible Software

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am new to the group and have some questions J

Does anyone use JAWS with Quickbooks?

Does anyone use JAWS with the PSPP statistical software?

 

Thank you

 

Miranda Brown

Executive Administrative Assistant

1Touch Project

info@...

418 Leffler St

West Burlington, IA 52655

Office: 319-208-1683

Mobile: 319-759-8980

www.1touchproject.com

www.facebook.com/1touchproject

 

Donate your Car to 1Touch Project! Donate your car, boat, truck, RV, Jet Ski or snowmobile to 1touch Project  and receive a tax deduction. This no cost, no hassle process begins when you contact our fundraising partner, Donation Line LLC at 877-227-7487. Make sure to ask for our extension 3192. Or you can click here http://www.donationline.com/newvehicle_donation_form.shtml?n=Onetouch%20Project to donate online now!

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Vocalizors and their people

Mario
 

don't know. it may be a synthesized voice, although I heard it might be
a variation of Vocalizer Thomas.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brenda [mailto:bjnite@windstream.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn’t it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might’ve died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY the
way, I believe Caren’s already married to Lee—another Australian, you
know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That’s our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I’ve had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that’s all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult is
set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how ‘bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I’m personally a
fan of Vocalizer’s Karen, but reading at my speed means I can’t use any
of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented voices
on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and Australian male,
voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy. Everyone's mileage
will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I use
with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly when
it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word levels to be
remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a lot
of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution
is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.











.


locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Please accept my heart felt condolences.

On 5/24/2017 1:10 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
One thing, Tim, I think all of us on the list would want to
tell you we are sorry for your loss. I thought of that last
thing last night - oh, I didn't respond to Tim's message. It
is sad to lose a younger person and really unfortunate right
at a time of a wedding. I am sure that a lot of people are
heart broken.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree. I note that
only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list
do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would
greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and
courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific,
meaningful, and up to date subject lines. I have said my
peace!


Tim Ford



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this


And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes.
since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming
anything, see my previous post.


James,

List Admin


________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this

Hi James,


I will contact you in the future. In the past, when I did
my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you
note from the administrator. Frankly I think the guidelines
need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be
considered as nothing more than simple respect for other
people's time and effort. I have been a list moderator, and
would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy
people like me! Frankly though, I think this is such a
large membership list that we need as a community to ask
those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules
I learned in my office email class. They said to make the
subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide
whether they needed to read it. They also said to explain
up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could
then decide to break off and move on.


Tim Ford


From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this


While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or
two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent
days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I
see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the
subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there
is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to
cause problems, I will not mandate a change.


In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list
administration be brought to me directly. If an
administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that
decision. If you would like to have a part in making that
decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as
list moderators - provided those interested parties are not
solely interested in simply making that decision. If
administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at
large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled
accordingly.


James,

List Admin


________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids
when listening to this

Hi Folks,


My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am. A
significant number of discussion threads on this list
recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or
subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread
has gone far away from that subject. Many of us just cannot
keep up on a list like this without being able to use the
subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read. All
of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject
line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject
line like this one "Do not have liquids when listening to
this"



Thanks,

Tim Ford



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this


On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a
spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet"
with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!
Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary
work.


locked Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

One thing, Tim, I think all of us on the list would want to
tell you we are sorry for your loss. I thought of that last
thing last night - oh, I didn't respond to Tim's message. It
is sad to lose a younger person and really unfortunate right
at a time of a wedding. I am sure that a lot of people are
heart broken.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please keep the subject line up to date.

Maybe we can leave it as agreeing to disagree. I note that
only a small fraction of the nearly 700 members on this list
do any posting, probably well below 5%, and the 95% would
greatly benefit and appreciate from the tiny burden and
courtesy of asking those 5% to use more specific,
meaningful, and up to date subject lines. I have said my
peace!



Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this



And in an ideal world, we'd have all attended those classes.
since we didn't, and since it's presently not harming
anything, see my previous post.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this

Hi James,



I will contact you in the future. In the past, when I did
my occasional subject line changes, I often got a thank you
note from the administrator. Frankly I think the guidelines
need to be tightened, although all I am asking for should be
considered as nothing more than simple respect for other
people's time and effort. I have been a list moderator, and
would not do so again, because of getting notes from grumpy
people like me! Frankly though, I think this is such a
large membership list that we need as a community to ask
those very few individuals to simply follow the basic rules
I learned in my office email class. They said to make the
subject line descriptive so the recipient could decide
whether they needed to read it. They also said to explain
up at the very beginning enough so that the reader could
then decide to break off and move on.



Tim Ford



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Please change the subject line! Do not have
liquids when listening to this



While this is a discussion list, I have had to close one or
two threads down for getting too far off the rails in recent
days. So long as we're mindful of the topic of the list, I
see no problem with the thread's continuation. While the
subject line could stand to be a bit more informative, there
is no list policy requiring it. As such, unless it begins to
cause problems, I will not mandate a change.



In future, I would strongly advise issues regarding list
administration be brought to me directly. If an
administrative decision needs to be made, I will make that
decision. If you would like to have a part in making that
decision, I have been known to accept interested parties as
list moderators - provided those interested parties are not
solely interested in simply making that decision. If
administrative issues continue to be brought to the list at
large, you will be in violation of list policies and handled
accordingly.



James,

List Admin



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: May-23-17 7:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Please change the subject line! Do not have liquids
when listening to this

Hi Folks,



My gosh, a I know I am sounding grumpy, but I am. A
significant number of discussion threads on this list
recently have either meaningless, as with this one, or
subject lines that were originally correct, but the thread
has gone far away from that subject. Many of us just cannot
keep up on a list like this without being able to use the
subject line to decide if it is a note we want to read. All
of us should make it our responsibility to edit a subject
line when we add to a thread if it is appropriate to change.

Also, please do not even initiate a thread with a subject
line like this one "Do not have liquids when listening to
this"





Thanks,

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
wrote:

God forbid we enjoy ourselves while working on a
spreadsheet.

If you can enjoy yourself "while working on a spreadsheet"
with any inducement then you're a better person than I am!
Excel (and it's analogs) are the very definition of weary
work.
--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit


Re: Vocalizors and their people

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi again, Brenda. I misspoke again. His name is:
Jon Briggs

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

Yep, Bill, so...who is the voice behind Alex or whoever the Siri male
voice is?
Brenda

On 5/24/2017 3:41 PM, Bill White wrote:
I think what she is asking is, not the name they give the male voice of
Ceri, but who was the male who did the voiceOvers for the male Ceri, as did
Susan Miller for the female voice.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Malone
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

I think its Alex.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY
the way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian,
you know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult
is set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use
any of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented
voices on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and
Australian male, voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy.
Everyone's mileage will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I
use with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly
when it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word
levels to be remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a
lot of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the
Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon
which great things have been and still will be built. Many things
that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are
allowed under it.




















Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Try repairing office... On 5/24/2017 12:24 PM, Michael Mote wrote:

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 



Re: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

Lee, Amanda * <amanda.lee@...>
 

Hi Mike,

 

Is the spreadsheet local as well as the Excel application itself.  I have noticed that whenever JAWS is accessing an application or file across a network, that it can become really bogged down.  Also, if it’s local to this user, then how large is the spreadsheet and I’m sure that this is obvious to you, but how is the hard drive access and performance?  Whichever synthesizer is in use as well might likewise affect responsiveness.   

 

Kind regards,

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Big problem with JAWS and Excel.

 

Good afternoon everyone!  I’m working with a client who is having major problems with an Excel spreadsheet.  The problem occurs when he is making edits to cells within the spreadsheet.  JAWS will stop responding, and then try to reload.  Still, he is not able to navigate through the spreadsheet.  Eventually, he has to close Excel by going into the task manager, and closing it that way.  This is hampering his work.  We have performed a JAWS repair, with no luck.  We have contacted MS accessibility, and they say they are able to navigate through the spreadsheet, with JAWS still running.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to resolve this one.  He is running the current build of JAWS 18 that was released on Monday of this week.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 


Re: Vocalizors and their people

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

They call him John J.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

Yep, Bill, so...who is the voice behind Alex or whoever the Siri male
voice is?
Brenda

On 5/24/2017 3:41 PM, Bill White wrote:
I think what she is asking is, not the name they give the male voice of
Ceri, but who was the male who did the voiceOvers for the male Ceri, as did
Susan Miller for the female voice.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Malone
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

I think its Alex.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brenda
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizors and their people

so who is male Siri?


On 5/24/2017 2:30 PM, Mario wrote:
as I know, Karen is Karen Jacobsen of Australia and Daniel is John
Cribbs of England. BTW, Siri is Susan Bennet of Alabama.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vocalizors and their people

Hello,
Wouldn't it be cool if we actually knew these people as they
originally wer/are? However, some/most might've died out but left heir
recordings to use for voices with JAWS/decktalk and other things. BY
the way, I believe Caren's already married to Lee-another Australian,
you know? This is just my opinion.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)<mailto:ted.lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

That's our girl! Hope Colleen never finds out.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Ulrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Are you talking about Karen from Australia?
Man, I've had some big time fun writing scripts for her to say!
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL!

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

How about slowing down your listening speed? LOL. The JAWS diffult
is set to 15, slower then snails.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, pilgrim, how 'bout The duke reading your shopping list oh, how I
wish I could write that in Winterset, Iowa dialect)! I'm personally a
fan of Vocalizer's Karen, but reading at my speed means I can't use
any of them, except Eloquence, for very long.

Ted

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Do not have liquids when listening to this

Well, "sexy" is in the ear of the beholder, that's for sure.

I've found some of the "foreign" (for the United States) accented
voices on Garmin, particularly one of the British female and
Australian male, voices to be rather mellifluous and somewhat sexy.
Everyone's mileage will, of course, vary,

I don't find, for instance, the SAPI voice "Microsoft David" that I
use with NVDA "sexy" but I do find it, in many instances, particularly
when it's reading through something at beyond the letter or word
levels to be remarkably lifelike in most instances.

Not knowing the synthesizers that various people are using it's
impossible to suggest generic ways to search for a "sexy" voice for
them, but I'd be willing to bet that someone has created them, even if
they're not commercially available, but it's a matter of finding them.
Inflection, breathiness (or lack thereof), and vowel duration are a
lot of what get's tagged as "sexy" when you think about voices in real
people that are described as sexy. These are parameters that it's
possible to control in a speech synthesizer.

It would be an absolute riot to create a "femme fatale" or the male
counterpart thereof synthesized voices for use with anything, screen
reader or not. I don't think that anyone would use the most "over the
top" versions for any period of time, but they could make for great
entertainment value over a short term.

--
Brian Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit



Many are under the gross misapprehension that the
Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon
which great things have been and still will be built. Many things
that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are
allowed under it.




















Re: Jaws find and find next

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Don. When using Internet Explorer 11, CONTROL plus F works fine for the find command, and F3 works well for the Find Again command. I don't know which browser you are trying to use, but maybe there is a problem with your Windows 10, or maybe you are using another browser besides IE11 which doesn't work well with the F3 Find Again command.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws find and find next

Running Win 10 64 bit Creator edition and latest version of Jaws. I
understand the find command to be either Control F or insert Control F.
I also under the find next command to be Insert F3. This works well
when in a word document however the find next insert F3 does not work if
you are searching a web page. Is there another find next command for
searching a web page.