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Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

So if I wanted to help someone I am able to do that at no cost ?   How would I use tandom?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

 

Very minor clarification here. Tandem is free in JAWS. Tandem direct costs extra. The main difference of course being Tandem direct doesn't go through FS/VFO's servers first, and the method of actually establishing a connection is different. Most useful if you're doing work on an internal network. I paid for the feature, but I can't honestly recall ever using it.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: May-17-17 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Hi Tim and all.

 

Before I go into my response to what you wrote, I’ll state that you have every right to your opinions.  It may be just we have to agree to disagree.

 

I’d like to address two points in your email, Tim.

 

The first one is that Windows 10 changed how to access information in the file explorer dialogue.  This isn’t a JAWS problem.  JAWS is reading the dialogue correctly.  Instead of JAWS being the faulty part of this issue, I’d say it’s a Microsoft issue.  I have no idea why Windows 10 changed its method of working with the file explorer.  Also, another thing that’s strange on my PC running the latest JAWS and Windows 10 is the Windows Explorer dialogue is the last item in the windows dialogue.  Instead of using WINDOWS+TAB to open the dialogue of tasks, then hitting RIGHT ARROW to get to the dialogue, you hit LEFT ARROW to find it, select it, hit WINDOWS+TAB again then press ENTER to get focus to the dialogue.  Perhaps VFO could change things to work the way they used to, but for me I have no problem with how things work.  Ribbons are another example.  JAWS does have the option to make the ribbon behave like the old menu structure, but for me I might as well learn how ribbons work.  I haven’t seen other screen reader manufacturers add this feature to their software.

 

The second area where we may have to agree to having differences in opinions is the cost of SMAs for JAWS, and that it’s more expensive than other screen readers.  I own both Window-Eyes and JAWS.  For personal reasons I prefer JAWS.  Window-Eyes wasn’t as stable as JAWS, so it’s what I use.  I could be wrong with my information, but I believe that an SMA for Window-Eyes is $100 per SMA, the same price as a pro SMA for JAWS.  You can get a home SMA for JAWS for less than what was available for Window-Eyes.  Before folks start thinking I’m happy with all that VFO has done, I think that the company should give the features available forWindow-Eyes the same as JAWS.  I don’t know if this is still true, but I think you have to pay for the tandem option in JAWS, and it was free in Window-Eyes.  As I said, I could have that information wrong, but I do know that in the past Window-Eyes offered things that you would pay for in JAWS.

 

That’s my opinion on things.  You have every right to disagree with me.  As I said, I have both Window-Eyes and JAWS on my PC.  I’m pleased VFO will transfer SMAs from Window-Eyes to JAWS.We’ll have to see what happens.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: MS Word 2010

Mario
 

Brian, why do the other editions of Office (Home and Business 2010, Home
and Student 2010, etc.) have an expiration date of 2012?

and the expiration for Service Pack 2 has a note that "Support ends 12
months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the
product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first."?

does that mean if there is a Service Pack 3 that is released before
10/13/20, the expiration for SP3 is 10/13/21?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:04 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: MS Word 2010

Laura,

The extended support end date for the Microsoft Office 2010
Service Pack 2 (which all of us should have by now if we have Office
2010, or will have not long after loading a fresh copy) is October 13,
2020. (See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/13615
( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/13615 ) )

End of support for Office 2010 should have little to
nothing to do with whether a screen reader will work with it so long as
said screen reader will work under "the old Windows paradigm" meaning if
it's compatible with Windows 7 or earlier.

It is highly unlikely that screen reader support for
Windows 7 will end before its sundown date in 2020 and, given the
embedded base of Windows 7 and that many will still be using it, it may
go after that. I doubt that the code that supports "the old
pre-universal-apps" Windows application programs (termed Desktop Apps
under Windows 10) is going to go away for a very, very long time because
those programs are not going away any time soon and there are still many
that are under development that show no signs of rushing to become an
universal app anytime soon.

--
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is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great
things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely
Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer with the arrow keys. this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it sounds once you have used them for a wile.

On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy… What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not worry about it. I don’t have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can’t tell you or most likely, I don’t have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest release which is Creators Update), but that’s not always going to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 



Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

This actually makes it five:

  • PC cursor: system focus, caret movement and so on.
  • JAWS cursor: mouse manipulation and screen review.
  • Mouse echo: JAWS speaking content under the mouse as the mouse moves.
  • Virtual PC cursor: used for web browsing.
  • Touch cursor: ability to move between controls that cannot be navigated to via the keyboard and/or mouse. This is not limited to tablets – it can be used on desktops and use of this cursor is essential in Windows 10 and universal apps (ask me offlist if you have questions about what universal apps are).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy… What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not worry about it. I don’t have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can’t tell you or most likely, I don’t have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest release which is Creators Update), but that’s not always going to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 


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Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

I should have read this before replying to the last message.
I just might do that.
Can't get worse can it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon, why not call the Microsoft Disability Helpdesk (800-936-5900)
to upgrade the computer for you. it's still free for users who need/use
adaptive technology. Windows 8.1 qualifies for the upgrade.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:43 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get
Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is
better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair
it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don't
like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was
Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs
mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most
tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference
and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from
WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it
can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and
that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That
would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily
basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles
set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked
by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that feature
everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping
software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't tell, but
it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a
JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the
screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I can't
tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three
programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most
likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do
the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

I can? How do I do that? Maybe it would be better than this?

I have it on my own laptop but it is not loaded with work stuff so I don’t know if things behave better on that platform or not?

Thanks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

You can still get win 10 for free.
On 5/17/2017 11:43 AM, Shannon wrote:

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 

 


Re: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

This is happening because the graphics are labeled. Not descriptively but labeled all the same. The only way to stop this is to set graphics to none.

On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Tony wrote:
Have you set Jaws to labelled graphics only?

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Yes, this happens for me if I open a .rar file in 7-zip.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Hey guys,
Curious if anyone has seen this, not sure what it is. In 1 of my programs, i am going to open a file. Si i go to file open, and find the location. As i'm arrowing up and down my file list, before every file, it says sever graphics, something like graphic 244, graphic 212, as an example. It's really annoying, any ideas what it could be?

Thanks,
Jed












Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy… What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can not worry about it. I don’t have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can’t tell you or most likely, I don’t have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest release which is Creators Update), but that’s not always going to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 


Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

James Homuth
 

Very minor clarification here. Tandem is free in JAWS. Tandem direct costs extra. The main difference of course being Tandem direct doesn't go through FS/VFO's servers first, and the method of actually establishing a connection is different. Most useful if you're doing work on an internal network. I paid for the feature, but I can't honestly recall ever using it.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: May-17-17 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Hi Tim and all.

 

Before I go into my response to what you wrote, I’ll state that you have every right to your opinions.  It may be just we have to agree to disagree.

 

I’d like to address two points in your email, Tim.

 

The first one is that Windows 10 changed how to access information in the file explorer dialogue.  This isn’t a JAWS problem.  JAWS is reading the dialogue correctly.  Instead of JAWS being the faulty part of this issue, I’d say it’s a Microsoft issue.  I have no idea why Windows 10 changed its method of working with the file explorer.  Also, another thing that’s strange on my PC running the latest JAWS and Windows 10 is the Windows Explorer dialogue is the last item in the windows dialogue.  Instead of using WINDOWS+TAB to open the dialogue of tasks, then hitting RIGHT ARROW to get to the dialogue, you hit LEFT ARROW to find it, select it, hit WINDOWS+TAB again then press ENTER to get focus to the dialogue.  Perhaps VFO could change things to work the way they used to, but for me I have no problem with how things work.  Ribbons are another example.  JAWS does have the option to make the ribbon behave like the old menu structure, but for me I might as well learn how ribbons work.  I haven’t seen other screen reader manufacturers add this feature to their software.

 

The second area where we may have to agree to having differences in opinions is the cost of SMAs for JAWS, and that it’s more expensive than other screen readers.  I own both Window-Eyes and JAWS.  For personal reasons I prefer JAWS.  Window-Eyes wasn’t as stable as JAWS, so it’s what I use.  I could be wrong with my information, but I believe that an SMA for Window-Eyes is $100 per SMA, the same price as a pro SMA for JAWS.  You can get a home SMA for JAWS for less than what was available for Window-Eyes.  Before folks start thinking I’m happy with all that VFO has done, I think that the company should give the features available forWindow-Eyes the same as JAWS.  I don’t know if this is still true, but I think you have to pay for the tandem option in JAWS, and it was free in Window-Eyes.  As I said, I could have that information wrong, but I do know that in the past Window-Eyes offered things that you would pay for in JAWS.

 

That’s my opinion on things.  You have every right to disagree with me.  As I said, I have both Window-Eyes and JAWS on my PC.  I’m pleased VFO will transfer SMAs from Window-Eyes to JAWS.We’ll have to see what happens.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: The answer is not to tell us that buying a new version of JAWS is the proper solution.

Kevin Minor
 

Hi Tim and all.

 

Before I go into my response to what you wrote, I’ll state that you have every right to your opinions.  It may be just we have to agree to disagree.

 

I’d like to address two points in your email, Tim.

 

The first one is that Windows 10 changed how to access information in the file explorer dialogue.  This isn’t a JAWS problem.  JAWS is reading the dialogue correctly.  Instead of JAWS being the faulty part of this issue, I’d say it’s a Microsoft issue.  I have no idea why Windows 10 changed its method of working with the file explorer.  Also, another thing that’s strange on my PC running the latest JAWS and Windows 10 is the Windows Explorer dialogue is the last item in the windows dialogue.  Instead of using WINDOWS+TAB to open the dialogue of tasks, then hitting RIGHT ARROW to get to the dialogue, you hit LEFT ARROW to find it, select it, hit WINDOWS+TAB again then press ENTER to get focus to the dialogue.  Perhaps VFO could change things to work the way they used to, but for me I have no problem with how things work.  Ribbons are another example.  JAWS does have the option to make the ribbon behave like the old menu structure, but for me I might as well learn how ribbons work.  I haven’t seen other screen reader manufacturers add this feature to their software.

 

The second area where we may have to agree to having differences in opinions is the cost of SMAs for JAWS, and that it’s more expensive than other screen readers.  I own both Window-Eyes and JAWS.  For personal reasons I prefer JAWS.  Window-Eyes wasn’t as stable as JAWS, so it’s what I use.  I could be wrong with my information, but I believe that an SMA for Window-Eyes is $100 per SMA, the same price as a pro SMA for JAWS.  You can get a home SMA for JAWS for less than what was available for Window-Eyes.  Before folks start thinking I’m happy with all that VFO has done, I think that the company should give the features available forWindow-Eyes the same as JAWS.  I don’t know if this is still true, but I think you have to pay for the tandem option in JAWS, and it was free in Window-Eyes.  As I said, I could have that information wrong, but I do know that in the past Window-Eyes offered things that you would pay for in JAWS.

 

That’s my opinion on things.  You have every right to disagree with me.  As I said, I have both Window-Eyes and JAWS on my PC.  I’m pleased VFO will transfer SMAs from Window-Eyes to JAWS.We’ll have to see what happens.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Mario
 

Shannon, why not call the Microsoft Disability Helpdesk (800-936-5900)
to upgrade the computer for you. it's still free for users who need/use
adaptive technology. Windows 8.1 qualifies for the upgrade.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shannon [mailto:shannon@bartchroofing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:43 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get
Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is
better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair
it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don't
like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was
Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs
mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most
tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference
and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from
WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it
can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and
that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That
would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily
basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles
set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked
by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that feature
everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping
software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't tell, but
it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a
JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the
screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I can't
tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three
programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most
likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do
the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon


Re: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Tony
 

Have you set Jaws to labelled graphics only?

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Yes, this happens for me if I open a .rar file in 7-zip.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: saying graphic as i arrow up and down a file list

Hey guys,
Curious if anyone has seen this, not sure what it is. In 1 of my programs, i am going to open a file. Si i go to file open, and find the location. As i'm arrowing up and down my file list, before every file, it says sever graphics, something like graphic 244, graphic 212, as an example. It's really annoying, any ideas what it could be?

Thanks,
Jed


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

You can still get win 10 for free.

On 5/17/2017 11:43 AM, Shannon wrote:

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 



Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the latest release which is Creators Update), but that’s not always going to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn’t. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 

 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10 is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.

On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 



Re: From Window-Eyes to JAWS

Maria Campbell
 

I wish you the very best of luck.  I could never get used to the difference between JAWS and WindowEyes, after being a Jaws user for a very long time.


lucky1inct@...
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small things, it does not exist at all.
On 5/17/2017 1:40 PM, Stanley Haupt wrote:

I decided to take advantage of the offer from the VFO Group. This email list and the documentation for JAWS should help me to learn and use this screen reader.

 



Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Hi,

Another variable to consider: which Window-Eyes version are you coming from? If it’s less than 9, chances are that you may need to do some learning.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon

 


Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Shannon
 

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I don’t like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the programs mentioned. Don’t really  know which is the culprit.

 

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010.  It can surf the web fine.


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

 

Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through, and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true? That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.

 

Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be clicked by the mouse or a “HotSpot” feature as WE did/does? I use that feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can’t tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read the screen with the mouse?

 

Since I am new and don’t know how it works and how to configure it I can’t tell what I can and can’t do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn’t like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon