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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

John Covici
 

Aira is sighted assistance by phone check out https://aira.io for more
information. I use it all the time, costs money, but would not be
without it.

On Sun, 03 May 2020 14:16:16 -0400,
Brian Vogel wrote:

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On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 01:44 PM, John Covici wrote:


I had to use Aira in the recovery step, but it did work!!
And what, precisely is Aira?   Sighted assistance.

That's an excellent variant, but it is still sighted assistance.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss



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moderated Re: Emojis

Bill White
 

Hi, Maria. All you have to do is:

 

1. Go to the document or webpage into which you want to paste the emoji.

2. Make sure you are actually in the edit field.

3. Open the emoji panel with WinKey plus period or semicolon.

4. Find the emoji you want to paste into the edit field.

5. Press the ENTER key.

 

Pressing the ENTER key while an emoji is selected will paste the emoji into the document or edit field.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Emojis

 

Thanks, David.  Now all I need is to know how to use them.  Some people are really good with them.  I can open them on the desktop, but not on the m.facebook page, where I might want to play with them.  Any place that teaches that sort of foolish stuff?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/3/2020 7:24 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Maria.

Pressing the Windows key along with either the period or the semicolon key invokes the emoji panel, at least with Windows 10 build 1909. I don't understand why Microsoft uses both key combinations.

In the event that someone is using Leasey, which is a third party piece of software to add functionality to JAWS, you can press the Leasey key followed by shift-ctrl-E which brings up an easy to navigate list of emoji characters.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/3/2020 7:19 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis?  Thanks.


moderated jaws 2020

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi, had no issues since 2020 was released. Works fine.

Marvin.


moderated Re: Emojis

Maria Campbell
 

Thanks, David.  Now all I need is to know how to use them.  Some people are really good with them.  I can open them on the desktop, but not on the m.facebook page, where I might want to play with them.  Any place that teaches that sort of foolish stuff?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 5/3/2020 7:24 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Maria.

Pressing the Windows key along with either the period or the semicolon key invokes the emoji panel, at least with Windows 10 build 1909. I don't understand why Microsoft uses both key combinations.

In the event that someone is using Leasey, which is a third party piece of software to add functionality to JAWS, you can press the Leasey key followed by shift-ctrl-E which brings up an easy to navigate list of emoji characters.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 5/3/2020 7:19 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis?  Thanks.



moderated Re: Emojis

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Maria.

Pressing the Windows key along with either the period or the semicolon key invokes the emoji panel, at least with Windows 10 build 1909. I don't understand why Microsoft uses both key combinations.

In the event that someone is using Leasey, which is a third party piece of software to add functionality to JAWS, you can press the Leasey key followed by shift-ctrl-E which brings up an easy to navigate list of emoji characters.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 5/3/2020 7:19 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis?  Thanks.



moderated Emojis

Maria Campbell
 

What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis?  Thanks.


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Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I couldn't have said it as well as Brian did. Macrium Reflect is what I use to do my full system image backups of my Windows 7 PC. I run an older version 6.3 of Macrium but it gets the job done.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Tom,

           There are a number of options.   I am going to qualify what follows with:  I am only interested in accessibility with regard to taking the backup, not doing the recovery.  I have been in a long recent discussion about this and there is nothing short of "extreme geek measures" I am not willing to take, and I doubt most would be able to take, to make a recovery process accessible.  Screen readers run under operating systems, and during a recovery you do not actually have a full-blown Windows instance running.  That's what you're trying to recover.  I fully expect that if recovery is necessary a sighted assistant will be as well.  If anyone can present a backup and recovery suite that is fully accessible, on both ends, even if it's just for taking a system image and later recovering it, I'm all ears.  So far no one has.

            Macrium Reflect Free is not 100% accessible, but it is entirely accessible for setting up a system image recovery then using that setup on-demand to take the actual image.  For myself, I always do a full system image, as those are the fastest to recover from.  You need to take (as you said you do) user data backups between your full system image backups if you're generating enough new files that you'd want to commit hara-kiri were you to lose them and/or have to do the work to re-create them.

Using Macrium Reflect Free with a Screen Reader

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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Now there is a common Tech response to blame the hardware no matter how new or pristine condition it is in.
No, it's not.   There could be issues with JAWS, but certainly not the ones you are claiming there are that have caused catastrophic failures and interactions with the underlying OS in a way that damages it.

You can attack me all you like, but yours is the textbook example of something being wrong that's idiosyncratic to the machine in question.  Whether that's a fault in the hardware, a corruption in the OS itself, or something else is open to question.  But your experience is utterly uncharacteristic, and it's time that you recognized it as such rather than ranting that JAWS is the root of all evil.  That position just does not hold up to even cursory scrutiny nor the vast majority experience.  That matters.

And this will be my last word on this, as I know only too well the truth contained in this quotation:

It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

          ~ Jonathan Swift (1667 - 1745), Irish essayist, novelist, & satirist
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Richard Turner
 

According to Wikipedia, Ken is correct:

Quicken

Personal finance management tool


Quicken is a personal finance management tool developed by Quicken Inc. (formerly part of Intuit, Inc.). On March 3, 2016, Intuit announced plans to sell Quicken to H.I.G. Capital; terms of the sale were not disclosed.


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 3, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io <kenchernack@...> wrote:

Good morning.
I do not think what you wrote about ownership of QB and Quicken is correct.

QuickBooks is owned by Intuit.
It is focused for the business marketplace.

Quicken, was bought by an equity group a couple of  years ago, is owned by Quicken, or whatever they call themselves.
I believe it is still highly compatible with QB.
I use Quicken, with sighted assistance at times, and it is fine for my situation.

HTH,
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

I don't know that you would want Quickbooks - it's made by Adobe Systems, the same folks who make Quicken. QB is for small businesses and probably costs more than Quicken.


Why not try googling for the APHB product Money Talks. It sounds like it would meet your needs.

On 5/2/2020 1:22 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
I got a page not found with that link. Trying quickbooks.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni, here's the solution that might be what you're looking for:

Money Talks is a completely accessible bank account management
software package developed by American Printing House (APH). This
software package offers the user a simple and effective means of
recording and maintaining accurate information for a variety of
accounts. The user can import and use electronic banking information
to reconcile accounts, remember the last workspace used in the
program, emboss or print the check register in a variety of formats,
and print many types of bank checks. Can be used with a screen reader or with its own self-voicing feature.

https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fshop.aph.org%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FProduct_MoneyTalks%3ABank&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C8c00e0aedc244fd70ed108d7efa508ce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637241364396584924&amp;sdata=M9wcxI4cWwESiUMVtsi5SsAtKs9wKZUyAmqCgw6%2Fbzg%3D&amp;reserved=0
AccountManagementSoftware_1146012P_10001_11051

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jenni Kent [mailto:jennipalmer@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible!
quicken sure was not.
Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work,
and although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be
more accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

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Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my
online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it
actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just
weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to
operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent
off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program
is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's
with nvda and jaws
2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what
a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said
there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.
Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know
of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank
automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken
wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I
am not happy right now.

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.





Jennifer Kent

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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Rick Mladek
 

Now there is a common Tech response to blame the hardware no matter how new or pristine condition it is in. The software here, JAWS, is not keeping up with the software it is to be working with, be it MS OS to apps as Office or others as Netflicks etc. How can a Company continue to charge for annual upgrades if they do not offer a completely functional product? This is a Jaws issue and you cannot blame any other for no, what is wrong with the product may not effect all the same but the said product/software should have most if not nearly all bugs killed before put on the so-called shelf to be sold.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:08 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I muse as well if this is not the proverbial trying to put a square peg in a round whole?

I have said, again and again, on multiple venues:  Most issues are idiosyncratic to the machine on which they are occurring.

I've been in the computer business since the 1980s, and when any given piece of software has a bug (be it major or minor) this appears on virtually every machine on which it is installed.  I say virtually because it depends on the end user doing something that invokes the actual buggy code; if they don't, everything will look perfect for them.

But most people are simply not willing to accept that there is very likely something wrong at their end.  And this is all the more true when uncharacteristic behaviors keep repeating themselves.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:08 PM, David Diamond wrote:
I muse as well if this is not the proverbial trying to put a square peg in a round whole?
I have said, again and again, on multiple venues:  Most issues are idiosyncratic to the machine on which they are occurring.

I've been in the computer business since the 1980s, and when any given piece of software has a bug (be it major or minor) this appears on virtually every machine on which it is installed.  I say virtually because it depends on the end user doing something that invokes the actual buggy code; if they don't, everything will look perfect for them.

But most people are simply not willing to accept that there is very likely something wrong at their end.  And this is all the more true when uncharacteristic behaviors keep repeating themselves.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

David Diamond
 

Well myself I’ve not had any problems yet.  Of course I’m running the latest version of office and JAWS.  I muse as well if this is not the proverbial trying to put a square peg in a round whole? Or the backyard computer repairman who have the idea of “If it doesn’t fit, bang it hard and it will.”   


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 04:14 PM, David Griffith wrote:
By the way the claim that you would only want an image restore in the case of catastrophic failure is I think a strange claim.
Well, I guess it will have to be that.  I've already given the one common exception case.  You've given one other semi-common one (restoring from an image when things get slow and you don't want to try to figure out why).

I've been in this business since the 1980s now, and I can count on less than one hand the number of times most recoveries have been the result of something other than some sort of catastrophic failure.

Also, I'll make what you're sure to call another strange claim:   The vast majority of Windows users do not separate out their OS and user data on to separate physical disks (or even logical disks).  So most full system images, which include the user data for all users contained within that system, are definitely not as small as yours are.  You're the exception case here.
 
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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Cornelius
 

So far what I did was to download the setup from the website. Don't quite trust the update file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional
addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the
post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Ken Chernack
 

Good morning.
I do not think what you wrote about ownership of QB and Quicken is correct.

QuickBooks is owned by Intuit.
It is focused for the business marketplace.

Quicken, was bought by an equity group a couple of years ago, is owned by Quicken, or whatever they call themselves.
I believe it is still highly compatible with QB.
I use Quicken, with sighted assistance at times, and it is fine for my situation.

HTH,
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

I don't know that you would want Quickbooks - it's made by Adobe Systems, the same folks who make Quicken. QB is for small businesses and probably costs more than Quicken.


Why not try googling for the APHB product Money Talks. It sounds like it would meet your needs.

On 5/2/2020 1:22 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
I got a page not found with that link. Trying quickbooks.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni, here's the solution that might be what you're looking for:

Money Talks is a completely accessible bank account management
software package developed by American Printing House (APH). This
software package offers the user a simple and effective means of
recording and maintaining accurate information for a variety of
accounts. The user can import and use electronic banking information
to reconcile accounts, remember the last workspace used in the
program, emboss or print the check register in a variety of formats,
and print many types of bank checks. Can be used with a screen reader or with its own self-voicing feature.

https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_MoneyTalks:Bank
AccountManagementSoftware_1146012P_10001_11051

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jenni Kent [mailto:@lightsrage]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible!
quicken sure was not.
Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work,
and although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be
more accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my
online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it
actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just
weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to
operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent
off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program
is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's
with nvda and jaws
2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what
a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said
there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.
Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know
of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank
automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken
wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I
am not happy right now.

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.





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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Marty Hutchings
 

Using the latest JAWS 2020 with Windows 7, Firefox, Office 2007 and Windows Live Mail and very little problems. I don't like the thought of upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 360 after hearing of all of the problems, but I know that I have to some time soon. It is just the financial barrier that is keeping me back from joining in on all of the problems that you all seem to be having. What Fun! LOL



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Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

It would be interesting to know, in general, how many of us have actually used jaws 2020 without problems?
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday 3 May 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Are you installing from the website, or first downloading the file and using the file to execute the installation? Installing from the file is safer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the
post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated WhatsApp App on Desktop

Cornelius
 

Hi all,
If there is anyone using WhatsApp desktop on a regular bases, how do you invoke the reply and forward function with JAWS?
Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Thank you.
 
 


moderated JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

Cornelius
 

Hi all,
Regarding the latest update to JAWS2020, I found out there is an extra tasks called RemoteSupportUI running on task manager.
There is no option to set it to not run, and running extra tasks like that for someone who does not, and will not use remote support on a JAWS Home licence is a waste of resources, not to mention that JAWS has already have so many tasks needed to run.

I am still hopeful that one day there will be a way to trim the features of JAWS during installationand remove those extras that not everyone need.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

David Griffith
 

I hesitate to enter the discussion again in case I provoke Brian into one of his threatened screams which seems a strangely emotional response.

Specifically  in relation to the points made the clone of your OS can  be surprisingly small, in the Snapshot case between 20-30GB in my case – although I have all my data on separate drives from my SSD.

By the way the claim that you would only want an image restore in the case of catastrophic failure is I think a strange claim. I don’t know why developers would include the feature if this was true.

I have several times re-imaged Windows from within a bootable Windows for many different reasons.

  1. Sometimes Windows has just slowed up for indeterminable reasons. Rather than dive into reasons why it is simpler to go back to a known clean working image.
  2. On one occasion I had a company unfortunately non responsive over an activation difficulty – again  restoring re-instating my image sorted this issue.
  3. On another occasion my main media player started not working properly despite un-install and re-install. Again a quick 20 minute re-instatement of my image sorted this.
  4. Finally on thankfully only the one occasion I managed to have a Trojan on my machine that neither ESET Smart Security nor Malwarebytes was able to remove. There were masses of instructions online on how I had to go into Safe mode etc to get rid of it but again I simply used Snapshot to go back to a clean install which removed the issue quickly.

 

However if there is truly a solution which provides support for catastrophic failure as helpfully suggested earlier I like others would be keen to investigate this as it could be a money saver avoiding the need to employ sighted help.

 

David Griffith

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: 03 May 2020 19:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

How much space do you need to store the full system backup? I know this depends on what you have on your disk but just for example, say you are using just under 500GB.

 

Marie

 

From: David Griffith

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 



On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Glenn / Lenny
 


That is why I like my solution, Win PE and 7Zip.
You can zip it up to any drive, even a thumb drive as a single ZIP file, and unzip it with Win PE onto a new drive if you want, or over the top of your old system if it has damaged files.
No ffuss, no muss.
Like I mentioned before, this system I'm using now was unzipped onto a new drive and booted up with no problems.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

For those considering using a cloned drive as a backup solution (and there's nothing wrong with that provided you re-clone when there have been either changes to your system you wouldn't want to have to make again or a significant influx of new user data you would not want to (or, in the case of photos and some audio, be able to) reproduce) make sure that you have a drive that is plug-and-play as a replacement for the main system drive of the system being cloned.

I have seen a couple of sad cases where people were cloning to external backup drives, and when they needed a quick way to get back on their feet again, realized that their clone would have to be cloned to a different drive that was plug-and-play compatible for the one that has failed.
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