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moderated Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Shan Noyes
 

Hi:

 

 

I’m using the latest version of outlook.

 

And the commands are:

 

Alt o give you the folder ribbon. You can cursor down and left and right to get to the item you want or

 

Alt o then d f is for delete folder

Alt o then m f for move folder

 

Note if you create folders unless you change the setting they will be created inside the folder that you happen to be in at the time of the command.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

 

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Hi,

 

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

 

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

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moderated Re: Edge question

Mario
 

I agree.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don Walls [mailto:donwalls@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 9:14 PM
Subject: Edge question
I find it disappointing that when Brian has merely stated a reality,
that all of us have to deal with change in tech, that others respond
with mean-spirited criticisms and put-downs.  Brian frequently responds
to listers’ problems with thoughtful, helpful responses, and I
appreciate his generous contributions.
Don
*From:* Randy Barnett
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:42 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Edge question

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of
experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out.
Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared
to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.

On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of
people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do
this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of
the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t
like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely
uncalled for.

I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.
That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all
of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it
goes along. You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does
anyone else.

Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related
forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into
outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and
carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as
though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to
overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Sharon Ballantyne
 

Hi,

 

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

 

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne


moderated Re: Copying Selected Text

Richard Turner
 

Temporary place marker, control+windows+k

Go to the end of the area you want to copy, or to the beginning if you started at the end.

Press insert+space, then m.

Then, press control+c.

Go where you want to paste and hit control+v.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Selected Text

 

Have you tried using temporary place markers, and the layer command select from marker to current position, *then copying?

 


moderated Re: Copying Selected Text

Dale Heltzer
 

Have you tried using temporary place markers, and the layer command select from marker to current position, *then copying?

 


moderated Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Richard B. McDonald
 

Thanks Shirley!  Well, at least it’s not just me!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Richard,

 

I am also having a problem with Firefox crashing. It only recently began happening. I’m running JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. Today, I tried Edge again after preferring Firefox. And to my happy surprise, it seems to be working much better for me. I’m more inclined to stick with Edge.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Yes, here as well.  I think it came with a new version of firefox.  It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

 

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats.  Firefox will crash immediately.

 

 

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot.  I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richie

 


moderated Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

paul lemm
 

Hi everyone,

 

thanks everyone for your replies. It’s a shame it doesn’t seem like there is a built in feature/setting to turn it on permanently. Still the ability to turn of the display is still a handy feature and who knows maybe they’ll add in a permanent setting in some later version. at least there is a layered keystroke  so it’s at least nice and easy to just turn on/off . Mario, I did see your reply/suggestion, I was really just hoping for a straight forward setting in Jaws somewhere, I’m not really sure how  to amend the auto start commands in Jaws and I don’t want to accidently break jaws 😊 since I mainly use my desktop  and only use the laptop occasionally (where screen shade would be used) I’ll just stick with manually turning the feature on/off, but thank you for your suggestion

 

Paul Lemm

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 07 July 2020 19:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

 

Hi Paul,

 

To the best of my knowledge, no it can't be turned on permanently.  For others that are unfamiliar with this Jaws feature it's explained below.

 

Note:  This feature is only available with Jaws2018 & Newer, running Windows 10.  I'm not sure, but possibly Windows 8.1 as well.
 
 Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by F11 or Printscreen both toggle screen curtain on and off.
 
The screen shade setting does not appear in the Jaws Settings Center and is only accessible through the layered  keystroke feature or, Jaws quick settings. 
 
 The layered keystroke feature is when you  hold down the Insert key then press down the spacebar, let up on both keys, then press a third key to perform
a particular task.
 
 In this case the layered keystroke to turn the, Screen Shade, On or Off task is below: 
 
 Hold down the Insert key, then press down the spacebar, now let up on both keys, and tap either the, Print Screen, key,  or the, F11 key.
 
 With each press of this keystroke sequence you will hear Jaws report either, Screen shade on or, Screenn shade off. 
 
 Since the Jaws screen shade feature isn't available in the Settings Center, and can be only accessed by the 2 ways mentioned above, here's the way to
check its current setting through Jaws quick settings: 
 
 BTW,  whether you're in Explorer or a program, the screen shade setting is found in the General Options category of Jaws quick settings. So, when, in
or on, most places of your computer press, Insert + V, to open Jaws quick settings. 
Down arrow until you hear Jaws report, General Options, and if Jaws reports that it's closed right arrow to open. 
 Now continue down arrowing until you hear Jaws report, Screen Shade, either checked or unchecked.  Pressing the spacebar will toggle this setting on &
off, checked being, On, and unchecked being, Off. 
 
 If you make a settings change for this setting or others, then tab to the, Okay button, press enter to save your settings changes & close quick settings. 
 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 7:56 AM

Subject: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

 

Hi everyone,

 

I recently discovered Jaws has a screen shade function which turns off the display of  your PC. It seems to be a temporary option however, as every time I restart my PC I have to reenable screen shade. I have tried both the layered key stroke and setting  screen shade through quick settings , but as mentioned both seem to only activate  jaws screen shade until I boot down my laptop. Does anyone know is there a way of setting jaws so screen shade is always on?

 

Paul Lemm


moderated Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

paul lemm
 

Hi Shan,

how NVDA get round this with their equivalent feature (screen curtain), is
that it doesn't turn on the screen curtain feature until the desktop has
fully loaded , that way if there are any issues at start up the screen is
still turned on, it only turns off once NVDA and the desktop screen are
fully loaded.

Paul Lemm

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: 07 July 2020 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

As a developer and one who has supported users, I can understand why the
screen shade item has been set to have to be turned on. If it was a
permanent setting what would happen is it would end up generating calls.
Because people would have their jaws starting up with the screen shade
enabled, and then say something happened on start up of jaws. The screen
would be blank. And there are a lot of users who would just ask a sighted
person can you see what's happening. Well the answer would be nothing
because the screen would be blank.


So from a support point of view it is better that it isn't an always on
feature.

Have a good day everyone.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario via
groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

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I was thinking, perhaps it would be possible to add the appropriate command
to the autostart function in the myextensions.jss file and hopefully it will
compile successfully. this way, screen curtian will be invoked everytime
JAWS is loaded or restarted.

the alternative would be is to turn the monitor off, but a laptop doesn't
have a power button or a way to turn it off. although I could be wrong, I
don't think so.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 2:18 PM
Subject: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade Hi Paul, To the best of my
knowledge, no it can't be turned on permanently. For others that are
unfamiliar with this Jaws feature it's explained below.
Note: This feature is only available with Jaws2018 & Newer, running Windows
10. I'm not sure, but possibly Windows 8.1 as well.

Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by F11 or Printscreen both toggle screen
curtain on and off.

The screen shade setting does not appear in the Jaws Settings Center and is
only accessible through the layered keystroke feature or, Jaws quick
settings.

The layered keystroke feature is when you hold down the Insert key then
press down the spacebar, let up on both keys, then press a third key to
perform a particular task.

In this case the layered keystroke to turn the, Screen Shade, On or Off
task is below:

Hold down the Insert key, then press down the spacebar, now let up on
both keys, and tap either the, Print Screen, key, or the, F11 key.

With each press of this keystroke sequence you will hear Jaws report
either, Screen shade on or, Screenn shade off.

Since the Jaws screen shade feature isn't available in the Settings
Center, and can be only accessed by the 2 ways mentioned above, here's the
way to check its current setting through Jaws quick settings:

BTW, whether you're in Explorer or a program, the screen shade setting
is found in the General Options category of Jaws quick settings. So, when,
in or on, most places of your computer press, Insert + V, to open Jaws quick
settings.
Down arrow until you hear Jaws report, General Options, and if Jaws reports
that it's closed right arrow to open.
Now continue down arrowing until you hear Jaws report, Screen Shade,
either checked or unchecked. Pressing the spacebar will toggle this setting
on & off, checked being, On, and unchecked being, Off.

If you make a settings change for this setting or others, then tab to
the, Okay button, press enter to save your settings changes & close quick
settings.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please
everybody.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* paul lemm via groups.io <mailto:paul.lemm=sky.com@groups.io>
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2020 7:56 AM
*Subject:* Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

Hi everyone,

I recently discovered Jaws has a screen shade function which turns off the
display of your PC. It seems to be a temporary option however, as every
time I restart my PC I have to reenable screen shade. I have tried both the
layered key stroke and setting screen shade through quick settings , but as
mentioned both seem to only activate jaws screen shade until I boot down my
laptop. Does anyone know is there a way of setting jaws so screen shade is
always on?

Paul Lemm






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moderated Re: Copying Selected Text

Abraham Sweiss
 

If fire fox is being used, the copy command works sporadically.
Switching to chrome, the copy works consistently.


Thanks,abraham 

On Jul 2, 2020, at 6:38 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:


You should first of all check that you are set to copy with the Virtual cursor in Jaws. Press Jaws V in your web browser and type copy in the search field.
Make sure that the copy is not for all formats etc but for virtual cursor.


Otherwise it  is possible that the web site you are on does not want you to copy text directly and is blocking copy. The only way around this I am aware of is to use Speech history.
Jaws plus space then H for history.
Here you can copy whatever Jaws has been reading.
David G.

On 2 Jul 2020, at 23:22, Ed Culpepper <eculpepper1@...> wrote:


I am having difficulty copying selected text to my clipboard. Jaws 2020 tells me that I have selected text with the keystroke Control-Shift + right arrow. When I use Control + c to copy the selected text nothing happens. This occurs on webpages and eBook texts read with Thorium reader. Select and copy commands work as accustomed in Office 2016 applications. How can I copy selected text from webpages, eBooks, etc.? I must be missing a simple keystroke.
Many thanks for any assistance. 
 
J Edward Culpepper, PhD
Huntsville, Alabama
 


moderated Re: Edge question

Klaus Vielhauer
 

Hello Madison


control + l works reliably with the new chromium Edge

Control + d creates a favorite.


kKlaus

On 7/7/2020 7:47 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi all,
Using Jaws 2018, the latest Edge and Windows 10 can someone please tell me how
to get to the address bar so that I can select and copy it so that I can send it
to someone? I know how to do it with Internet Explorer, but I know that I can't
rely on IE forever. Any help is much appreciated!! Thanks
Madison



moderated Re: Getting to attachments/Problem solved

Bill White
 

It turned out that laura's document has two file extensions. They are
xxxx.pdf.drf. Drf documents want to open with an app that renders photos.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Law
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting to attachments/Problem solved

Hi Laura, just because it is a pdf file does not make it unreadable. Yes,
some pdf files are scanned documents, which need OCR, and later versions of
JAWS tell you this when you open them. The other problem could be the
security settings in Adobe reader, if these aren't set right, all you get
when trying to read a pdf is JAWS saying blank, blank. I cant remember what
the settings are called, but if this is what you are getting I will find
them for you. I have also heard that Word 2019 will OCR a scanned pdf, do
you have word 2019?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2020 12:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Getting to attachments/Problem solved

Thank you to everyone for your input and suggestions with this issue. Your
help is greatly appreciated. It is insert a, not alt a to get to
attachments.



I now can get to those attachments but I can't read them because they are in
PDF format and not a word document. More learning to do on my end (heavy
sigh).



Laura




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moderated Re: Getting to attachments/Problem solved

Andrew Law
 

Hi Laura, just because it is a pdf file does not make it unreadable. Yes, some pdf files are scanned documents, which need OCR, and later versions of JAWS tell you this when you open them. The other problem could be the security settings in Adobe reader, if these aren't set right, all you get when trying to read a pdf is JAWS saying blank, blank. I cant remember what the settings are called, but if this is what you are getting I will find them for you. I have also heard that Word 2019 will OCR a scanned pdf, do you have word 2019?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2020 12:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Getting to attachments/Problem solved

Thank you to everyone for your input and suggestions with this issue. Your help is greatly appreciated. It is insert a, not alt a to get to attachments.



I now can get to those attachments but I can't read them because they are in PDF format and not a word document. More learning to do on my end (heavy sigh).



Laura




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moderated Re: Edge question

Don Walls
 

I find it disappointing that when Brian has merely stated a reality, that all of us have to deal with change in tech, that others respond with mean-spirited criticisms and put-downs.  Brian frequently responds to listers’ problems with thoughtful, helpful responses, and I appreciate his generous contributions.
 
Don
 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question
 

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out. Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.

 

On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Randy Barnett
 

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out. Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.


On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

David Moore
 

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Randy Barnett
 

Maria He wont even use a PC with the monitor off to even have a clue what it is like for us and he does this on all the blind lists... Just ignore him that is what i had to do...

On 7/7/2020 4:45 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

 

Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 

Brian, I am old, blind, and not terribly tech savvy.  You are sighted, much younger and much more tech intuitive than me.  Change doesn't come easy, so please stop being so glib about a state you may not really understand.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 06:32 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
That certainly works but what a far cry from the ease of creating favorites in IE.
Indeed, but IE's method died out, except under IE, a very, very long time ago.  Much like the Outlook Express concept of identities (I think that's what they called it) died, too.

Each and every one of us has suffered through the loss of certain features we've loved as time marches on.  Learning to let go tends to make one far less stressed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Shirley Tracy
 

Richard,

 

I am also having a problem with Firefox crashing. It only recently began happening. I’m running JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. Today, I tried Edge again after preferring Firefox. And to my happy surprise, it seems to be working much better for me. I’m more inclined to stick with Edge.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Yes, here as well.  I think it came with a new version of firefox.  It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

 

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats.  Firefox will crash immediately.

 

 

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot.  I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richie