Date   

More Office help docs.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

This very useful page is devoted to 'How-To' tutorials and best practices documents for both using Microsoft Office for Windows if you are using adaptive technology and how to create accessible documents:
http://bit.ly/2wlZwJo


List Rules, Sun, 10/1/17 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

When:
Sunday, 1 October 2017
12:00am to 1:00am
(GMT-04:00) America/New York

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

OK, FF gets to stay. :)
If you get this you have to go to default programs and select another browser then go into FF and then the box can be unchecked. and the hot key issue fixed itself after a reboot.

On 9/30/2017 8:47 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
No have the latest Jaws 18 build. If making itself the default browser and not allowing me to uncheck the box that is allowing it to do this is the new norm it is getting uninstalled.

On 9/30/2017 8:42 PM, Dave... wrote:
Again, JAWS 18 latest version indicates that it is needed to work with
Firefox 57 and later. Is that possibly your issue?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 20:35
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS


In the new version when I use alt + t then O it just closes the menus I
have to arrow to options then hit enter. Also the always check if
FireFox is the default browser checkbox is checked and is greyed out or
as Jaws puts it. unavailible So it constantly makes itself the default
browser it doesnt even ask... Anyone else getting this?
On 9/30/2017 7:20 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
What is the enterprise version of Firefox, and how does it differ from the
regular version?

Thanks for any details.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if
I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are
we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps
loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome
to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended)
8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will
stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

No have the latest Jaws 18 build. If making itself the default browser and not allowing me to uncheck the box that is allowing it to do this is the new norm it is getting uninstalled.

On 9/30/2017 8:42 PM, Dave... wrote:
Again, JAWS 18 latest version indicates that it is needed to work with
Firefox 57 and later. Is that possibly your issue?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 20:35
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS


In the new version when I use alt + t then O it just closes the menus I
have to arrow to options then hit enter. Also the always check if
FireFox is the default browser checkbox is checked and is greyed out or
as Jaws puts it. unavailible So it constantly makes itself the default
browser it doesnt even ask... Anyone else getting this?
On 9/30/2017 7:20 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
What is the enterprise version of Firefox, and how does it differ from the
regular version?

Thanks for any details.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if
I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are
we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps
loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome
to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended)
8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will
stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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View the list's information and change your settings at
http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Dave...
 

Again, JAWS 18 latest version indicates that it is needed to work with
Firefox 57 and later. Is that possibly your issue?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@soundtique.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 20:35
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS


In the new version when I use alt + t then O it just closes the menus I
have to arrow to options then hit enter. Also the always check if
FireFox is the default browser checkbox is checked and is greyed out or
as Jaws puts it. unavailible So it constantly makes itself the default
browser it doesnt even ask... Anyone else getting this?
On 9/30/2017 7:20 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
What is the enterprise version of Firefox, and how does it differ from the
regular version?

Thanks for any details.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if
I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are
we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps
loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome
to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended)
8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will
stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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View the list's information and change your settings at
http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

In the new version when I use alt + t then O it just closes the menus I have to arrow to options then hit enter. Also the always check if FireFox is the default browser checkbox is checked and is greyed out or as Jaws puts it. unavailible So it constantly makes itself the default browser it doesnt even ask... Anyone else getting this?

On 9/30/2017 7:20 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
What is the enterprise version of Firefox, and how does it differ from the
regular version?

Thanks for any details.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Tom Behler
 

What is the enterprise version of Firefox, and how does it differ from the
regular version?

Thanks for any details.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Cristóbal
 

Another option people may consider is using the enterprise version of
Firefox. It updates less frequently. In fact, I may consider doing this if I
find out some of my most used add-ons aren't compatible with V-57. I'm
currently on V-55.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: Screen recording/capturing.

Natalia Voegele
 

Hi Ron and Ed,

Thank you both very much for your suggestions. I looked at Zoom and it doesn't seem to be exactly what I need. It seems it is for recording meetings. I'm not needing to record meetings, at this point, just the video of the screen I am viewing, plus audio of Jaws. Additionally, I need to be able to record myself talking, so I may talk about bugs, on the page. However, I will definitely keep it in mind, if I ever need to record meetings, it may be a great solution. And Ron, I have not taken a look at Debut as of yet, but I will do so now. Thank you so much!
Natalia


Re: say cap

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

One time I set mine to say caps, drove me nuts. I have my caps set on 40 or 50 percent, forget, but pretty high pitched. I really can tell when something is or is not capitalized. I guess it could be set as high as, say 60 percent or more.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: say cap

Hi Mark,
Try the following, but the steps below aren't complete because of the various options you get after making changes to a scheme

1. Open the Settings Center with, Jaws / Insert key + 6, on the number row, & press, control, shift + D, to open Settings Center default all applications 2. Arrow down to Speech & Sound Schemes, right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Modify Schemes...., & press the spacebar to open. Don't press enter here! Pressing enter will close the Settings Center. Also make note of what scheme is highlighted as the default scheme.
4. Tab to, edit selected scheme button, & press the spacebar.
5. You should be on the, General Page / tab so, control + tab to the Misc.
page / tab, & tab 1 time into the list of options.
Arrow down to, Cap Speak text Using SingleCapVoice,
tab 1 time to a list of choices, arrow up / down to, Speak Item checked.
Now you'll have to choose what you want to do, modify, save, create new....
by tabbing through the dialogues & making your choices.
It might take some experimentation because you'll need to Apply / Okay a few times in order to make this the default or whatever you choose to do with this altered / changed scheme. I'm sorry I can't make these steps more complete, but my personal choices could be different than your own, so that's why I said it will take some experimentation.

Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Furness <mailto:flintman57@gmail.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: say cap


I need to know how to make jaws 2018 say “cap” when reading a document that has capital letters. I am Having trouble hearing pitch change



Thank you for your help!!!

Mark F.



Mercy without repentance is license


Re: say cap

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Mark,
Try the following, but the steps below aren't complete because of the
various options you get after making changes to a scheme
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Jaws / Insert key + 6, on the number row,
& press, control, shift + D, to open Settings Center default all
applications
2. Arrow down to Speech & Sound Schemes, right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Modify Schemes...., & press the spacebar to open.  Don't
press enter here!  Pressing enter will close the Settings Center.  Also make
note of what scheme is highlighted as the default scheme.
4. Tab to, edit selected scheme button, & press the spacebar.
5. You should be on the, General Page / tab so, control + tab to the Misc.
page / tab, & tab 1 time into the list of options.
 Arrow down to, Cap             Speak text           Using SingleCapVoice,
tab 1 time to a list of choices, arrow up / down to, Speak Item checked.
Now you'll have to choose what you want to do, modify, save, create new....
by tabbing through the dialogues & making your choices.
It might take some experimentation because you'll need to Apply / Okay a few
times in order to make this the default or whatever you choose to do with
this altered / changed scheme.  I'm sorry I can't make these steps more
complete, but my personal choices could be different than your own, so
that's why I said it will take some experimentation.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: say cap

I need to know how to make jaws 2018 say “cap” when reading a document that has capital letters. I am Having trouble hearing pitch change

 

Thank you for your help!!!

Mark F.

 

Mercy without repentance is license

 


Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Bill.

I just checked, and my Firefox 52 is set to never check for updates.

In light of the new problems people are having, I think I'm going to leave
it this way for now.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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say cap

Mark Furness
 

I need to know how to make jaws 2018 say “cap” when reading a document that has capital letters. I am Having trouble hearing pitch change

 

Thank you for your help!!!

Mark F.

 

Mercy without repentance is license

 


Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. We are talking about Firefox version 56.0.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Tom Behler
 

Bill and all.

I'm sorry for coming in late to this thread, but what Firefox version are we
talking about here?

I currently have version 52.0 32-bit installed.

One very anoying problem I have with this version is that Jaws keeps loosing
focus, and I constantly have to hit my tab key to re-gain focus.

I also used to have more frequent Firefox crashes, but that issue seems to
have settled down somewhat.

Again, I'm interested in the problematic version discussed in this thread.
I think I've turned Firefox updates off, but will check to be sure.

All of these issues with Firefox are making me want to try Google Chrome to
see if it's any better, but I haven't taken the leap yet.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended) 8.
Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this is
unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

What you do is the following.

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press ALT plus T for Tools.
3. Press O for Options.
4. Tab until you hear, Find an Option.
5. In the edit box, type Update.
6. Tab until you hear how Firefox is currently updating. It will probably
say, Automatically Install Updates.
7. Down Arrow to, Never Check For Updates. It will say (not recommended)
8. Tab to, Use a background service to Install Updates, and make sure this
is unchecked.
9. Press CONTROL plus W to close the Options window.

Firefox will now no longer update itself.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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McDonald
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Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Not in the latest version. There isnt an advanced anymore. I wont be keekeeping this version...

On 9/30/2017 11:58 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
In Firefox, general, options and then advanced. It's in one of those tabs. I
never have mine to set to automatically update for reasons like this.


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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
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Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Cristóbal
 

In Firefox, general, options and then advanced. It's in one of those tabs. I
never have mine to set to automatically update for reasons like this.

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McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:46 AM
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Subject: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

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Re: "New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I went to see if I could find the answer for you in FF. Well what I found is that FF Has decided to make itself the default browser and the box for check to see if FF is your default browser is greyed out. Jaws says "unavailable".
I didnt see an option to stop auto updates. didn't look too hard as it is getting uninstalled if this is the new way of doing things for FF.

On 9/30/2017 11:45 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

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"New" Firefox incompatibility with "Old" JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

According to the below, new versions of Firefox won't work with older
versions of JFW. So, how do you tell Firefox *not* to update itself?

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:24 AM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

Firefox 57 also named "quantum" is getting a new rendering engine which
replaces Gecko. It is supposed to be twice as fast.
Apparently this will also have screen reader implications I assume
especially where they do not use the accessibility API and instead access
the page directly... Time will tell but when changing engines, it will not
surprise me to see a lot of stuff break.
Travis


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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@freelists.org
Subject: [jawsscripts] Firefox incompatibility with JAWS?

According to the latest JAWS release notes, most of JAWS versions will stop
working with Firefox 57 and newer. I had not seen any reference to this
before. Can anybody provide details? Are there any scripting implications
for this? I just started getting a Get*XML set of routines working with an
Internet application I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
TIA

Jonathan


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