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Re: Getting the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant in update cue?

John Covici
 

Office updates are always out of band, i.e. they don't come with the
regular updates, but on a weekly basis, approximately.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:14:59 -0400,
Ashleigh Piccinino wrote:

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Hello,

Is there a way for me to have the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant for Office 365 to automatically install its updatea/can I somehow put it in the update cue? I don’t use this software … yet, but whenever I should/if I should, I
don’t want to have to wait for the update to take place first.

Thanks,

Ashleigh Piccinino

P.S. not an emergency, just thought it’d be easier to automatically update this/noticed it’s somehow not in Windows update?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

David,

I’m using the JAWS virtual ribbons but did find where you were talking about. Seems to take one to the same place regardless if in Word, excel, etc. Anyway, mine is set to automatically update so I guess anytime there is one pushed out
I’ll get it.

Al

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Hello;

To check whether there’s update for office 2016,

1, open MSWord,

2, now, press alt+f=file,

3, d=account,

4, r=update.

So the keystrokes should be,

Alt+f/d/r.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Ashley,

Yes, I asked too. When I go to my update history, last entry is from 8/15

Al

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Not finding where that update might’ve taken place. No big deal, though; just wanted to know where you guys found that out.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: george b
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Hello,

I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late.

Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for now for Windows 7.
On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with Jaws 18.

I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g. Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as August 28, 2017,
August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to include the week day.

I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017.

I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash, but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017 and Excel did not crash.

I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields, added them up and everything was fine.

I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7 PC which also
has my Sage 50 accounting software on it.

Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the other Windows 7
computers on the network and to let me save to my main file storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have been using since it was
Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program screen where you select whether you
want to use the General ledger, do bank reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the
General journal, 6 times for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and
definitely not what I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which
is only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I should
do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the expensive scripts for it.
Those last few weeks have been a real mess. Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks.

Regards,

Sieghard

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici
covici@ccs.covici.com


Getting the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant in update cue?

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Hello,

     Is there a way for me to have the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant for Office 365 to automatically install its updatea/can I somehow put it in the update cue? I don’t use this software … yet, but whenever I should/if I should, I don’t want to have to wait for the update to take place first.

Thanks,

Ashleigh Piccinino

P.S. not an emergency, just thought it’d be easier to automatically update this/noticed it’s somehow not in Windows update?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

David,

 

I’m using the JAWS  virtual ribbons but did find where you were talking about. Seems to take one to the same place regardless if in Word, excel, etc. Anyway, mine is set to automatically update so I guess anytime there is one pushed out I’ll get it.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

Hello;

To check whether there’s update for office 2016,

1, open MSWord,

 

2, now, press alt+f=file,

 

3, d=account,

 

4, r=update.

 

So the keystrokes should be,

Alt+f/d/r.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

Ashley,

 

Yes, I asked too. When I go to my update history, last entry is from 8/15

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

Not finding where that update might’ve taken place. No big deal, though; just wanted to know where you guys found that out.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: george b
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

 

Hello,

 

I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late.

Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with Jaws 18.

I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g. Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to include the week day.

I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017.

I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash, but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017 and Excel did not crash.

I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields, added them up and everything was fine.

I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7 PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it.

Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess. Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 


Re: Invisible menu?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

No, I just ignore it as best I can. Alt tab or windows M usually fixes it. It doesnt preceed a Jaws crash for me.

On 8/31/2017 3:34 AM, rickp47@... wrote:
Do you have any idea what it is or  how to prevent it? I'm getting it at work and sometimes JAWS crashes right after it happens



jaws 18 and McAfee

rickp47@...
 

I'm using JAWS 18 in Windows 7 Enterprise and I'm experiencing JAWS crashing in between (proprietary) applications. The main app is within IE11 and the app that I transition to Chrome based. JAWS does announce "leaving menus" sometimes, but not all the time, and, of course, jaws doesn't always crash. The company uses McAfee and I'm wondering if this is the culprit. I've heard of it happening before. I'm not sure I can have the McAfee "turned off" while I test this theory since we're live in the network. Anybody hear of this scenario?.


Re: Invisible menu?

rickp47@...
 

Do you have any idea what it is or  how to prevent it? I'm getting it at work and sometimes JAWS crashes right after it happens


changing Email

Don H
 

Having two products from FS including Jaws and Open Book I have recently changed my Email provider.  I see nothing on the VFO web page to update your info.  Anyone know where to update your info?

Thanks


Re: Office 2016

 

I used to use them, but have gotten away from it and instead learned how to properly navigate the ribbons without using the virtual ribbon. This for me has the advantage that I can more easily relate to what sighted people tell me and what you read if you look something up online and it also means I can use the shortcuts for common tasks I always do.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

Ward,

 

Yes, I like the virtual ribbons as well. However, that said, the only PC’s I use are those with JAWS so they are always available. If I had to use PC’s without JAWS and other screen readers I probably would take the time to learn the ribbons natively.

 

Best

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some.  Was for me.

Ward

 

On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:

Ah thanks, these pages are very helpful, I found lots of key commands.

 

Any advice for learning more about windows 10 and JAWS 18?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane

 


Re: Word 2016 and Jaws 18

Bob Hicks
 

thanks

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 2016 and Jaws 18

 

Sounds like its not backwards conpadible.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Hicks
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word 2016 and Jaws 18

 

I have a file I created here at work in Word 2013.  I tried to work on the file at home using Word 2016 on/at home in Word 2016.  I have installed the office converter patch.  I can make changes on the file at home, but when I bring it to work the changes I saved at home are not there.  What gives?  thanks

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 


Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Alan Robbins
 

It became extremely sluggish once yesterday, but going to task manager, ending the task, then relaunching seemed to be ok. Hope I don't have to do that too often.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

...sounds like MS has fixed their previous update.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Tracy" <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 09:42
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing


I forgot to add that I had an easier time of using the combo box at my bank
and on my email program as well. Does anybody know why? Was that part of the
same update?

Shirley

---- Shirley Tracy <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

=============
Yes, I'm so happy! I don't even know why I tried Excel this morning, but it
was working fine. I can't tell you how good this is, whatever the changes
brought it about.
Ever since my husband's stroke, I'm the one who handles our finances and
does the banking account. It's frustrating not to be able to keep a balance.

Shirley Tracy

---- george b <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote:

=============
There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Hello,

I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late.
Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I
think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on
Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for
now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with
Jaws 18.
I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates
which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g.
Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as
August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the
date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to
include the week day.
I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to
crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at
the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017.
I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash,
but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017
and Excel did not crash.
I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields,
added them up and everything was fine.
I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure
how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am
delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7
PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it.
Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other
ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new
Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the
other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file
storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on
that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have
been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my
Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use
the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program
screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank
reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal
etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I
have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times
for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an
invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have
to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what
I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off
by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then
have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is
only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually
change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade
all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I
should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this
accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of
Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the
expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess.
Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing
and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks.

Regards,
Sieghard


Re: Office 2016

Alan Robbins
 

Ward,

 

Yes, I like the virtual ribbons as well. However, that said, the only PC’s I use are those with JAWS so they are always available. If I had to use PC’s without JAWS and other screen readers I probably would take the time to learn the ribbons natively.

 

Best

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some.  Was for me.

Ward

 

On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:

Ah thanks, these pages are very helpful, I found lots of key commands.

 

Any advice for learning more about windows 10 and JAWS 18?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane

 


Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Dave...
 

...sounds like MS has fixed their previous update.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Tracy" <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 09:42
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing


I forgot to add that I had an easier time of using the combo box at my bank
and on my email program as well. Does anybody know why? Was that part of the
same update?

Shirley

---- Shirley Tracy <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

=============
Yes, I'm so happy! I don't even know why I tried Excel this morning, but it
was working fine. I can't tell you how good this is, whatever the changes
brought it about.
Ever since my husband's stroke, I'm the one who handles our finances and
does the banking account. It's frustrating not to be able to keep a balance.

Shirley Tracy

---- george b <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote:

=============
There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing

Hello,

I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late.
Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I
think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on
Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for
now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with
Jaws 18.
I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates
which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g.
Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as
August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the
date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to
include the week day.
I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to
crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at
the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017.
I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash,
but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017
and Excel did not crash.
I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields,
added them up and everything was fine.
I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure
how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am
delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7
PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it.
Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other
ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new
Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the
other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file
storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on
that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have
been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my
Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use
the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program
screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank
reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal
etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I
have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times
for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an
invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have
to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what
I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off
by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then
have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is
only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually
change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade
all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I
should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this
accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of
Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the
expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess.
Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing
and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks.

Regards,
Sieghard


Re: Questions on Kodi 17.4.

George Gray
 

Please do so.

Thanks.

On 8/30/17, Shane clark <hshaneclark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

You can get Kodi 16.1 from kodi.tv/downloads.

I can send the link to the screenreader.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 30, 2017 2:34:49 PM "ratshtron" <northstarr1950@gmail.com> wrote:

hmmm, where one get a copy of 16.1? thanks.


Legend has it that on Tuesday 8/29/2017 04:08 PM, Chris said:
----------------------------------------
Its the same here with 17.4 crashes still

Went back to 16.1 as that still works ok

Maybe when the addon is updated it will work possibly???


From: <mailto:hshaneclark@gmail.com>Shane clark
Sent: 29 August 2017 21:49
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Questions on Kodi 17.4.

Hello everyone,

Would anyone happen to possibly know, if Kodi 17.4 is accessible with
Windows 10 and the screen reader that comes with Kodi? I know it's
accessible with Windows 10, but when I try to install 17.3 and use it
with
the Kodi screen reader, every time the screen reader begin speaking, Kodi
crashed. So I was just wondering if anybody may have already installed
the
latest version of Kodi, and tried it out?

Thanks, Shane.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com





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--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
Cabarete/Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA


Re: Questions on Kodi 17.4.

Shane clark
 

Hi,

You can get Kodi 16.1 from kodi.tv/downloads.

I can send the link to the screenreader.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On August 30, 2017 2:34:49 PM "ratshtron" <northstarr1950@gmail.com> wrote:

hmmm, where one get a copy of 16.1? thanks.


Legend has it that on Tuesday 8/29/2017 04:08 PM, Chris said:
----------------------------------------
Its the same here with 17.4 crashes still

Went back to 16.1 as that still works ok

Maybe when the addon is updated it will work possibly???


From: <mailto:hshaneclark@gmail.com>Shane clark
Sent: 29 August 2017 21:49
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Questions on Kodi 17.4.

Hello everyone,

Would anyone happen to possibly know, if Kodi 17.4 is accessible with
Windows 10 and the screen reader that comes with Kodi? I know it's
accessible with Windows 10, but when I try to install 17.3 and use it with
the Kodi screen reader, every time the screen reader begin speaking, Kodi
crashed. So I was just wondering if anybody may have already installed the
latest version of Kodi, and tried it out?

Thanks, Shane.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com





----------------------------------------




Re: Office 2016

D
 

Hey Tom,

 

 

If you download them will you send them to me as well?  I will share them with other coworkers-thanks.

 

I am also interested in knowing how to better format documents so they are appealing with good layout-any advice on this as well?

 

Thanks everyone for your input, you are an awesome support!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

Hi

Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010.  Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it.  So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. 

  
My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results.

Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. 

Thanks,

 

Tom

 

 
Sent from my iPhone 7


On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane


Re: Office 2016

Ann Byrne
 

There is at least one JAWS seminar on Office 2016.  Well done.  Free.
Go to JAWS
help
web resources
free webinars
 

From: Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Office 2016

Hi
Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010.  Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it.  So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. 
  
My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results.
Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. 
Thanks,

Tom


Sent from my iPhone 7

On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane


Re: Office 2016

Ward Dudley
 

The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some.  Was for me.

Ward


On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:

Ah thanks, these pages are very helpful, I found lots of key commands.

 

Any advice for learning more about windows 10 and JAWS 18?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane



Re: Office 2016

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Mostly you just need to search alot. :)

On 8/30/2017 5:04 PM, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi
Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010.  Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it.  So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. 
  
My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results.
Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. 
Thanks,

Tom

 
Sent from my iPhone 7

On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane



Re: Office 2016

Tom Lange
 

Hi
Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010.  Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it.  So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. 
  
My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results.
Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. 
Thanks,

Tom

 
Sent from my iPhone 7

On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane


Re: Office 2016

D
 

Ah thanks, these pages are very helpful, I found lots of key commands.

 

Any advice for learning more about windows 10 and JAWS 18?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2016

 

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane


Re: Office 2016

Jason White
 

A few suggestions:

 

Microsoft have very good lists of keystrokes available for all of their Office applications. These can be found on their Web site. Just make sure you locate the references for the correct version of each of the programs (i.e., the Windows 2016 version).

 

You can find some of what you need by navigating and familiarizing yourself with the ribbons. However, some functions are found deep within multiple layers of dialogs. You can try the Alt+q command within Microsoft Word, Outlook and possibly other MS-Office programs, which lets you search the available functionality by entering key words. If this doesn’t help, I often find that it’s faster to perform a Web search using my preferred search engine to find an article describing what I’m looking for than it is to locate it within the complex menu structures of Microsoft Office applications.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this group and new to JAWS 18 & Office 2016.  I am needing tutorials or guides to get me up and running on these. I was using 2010 with JAWS 15 so I have a lot to learn J

 

Thanks much for any information you can share with me,

 

Diane