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moderated Re: Lost system tray icons

 

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/48681

It's the same settings for making the icons appear on the taskbar versus not.  And if you have them set to appear, and they're not there, you need to check if the processes/programs that should be running that make them appear are actually doing so (but that's not likely to be necessary).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: creating footnotes

Justin Williams
 

Maybe you can try copying formatting. 

Copy your document into a blank document.

 

Then, go to your original document, the one with the footnotes.

 

Hit control a,

then shift control c,

then shift control v.

 

the control a is to ensure you copy the formatting for the entire document.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: creating footnotes

 

Hello, I’m using windows10, Jaws2020 and word 2016. I have a document with footnotes. I selected all and then copy. I then pasted the document into another document. When I pressed the windows key and the semi-colon none of the footnotes showed up. I then decided to just create the footnotes. I went into references and then insert footnote and entered the footnote. I then pressed shift f5. The footnote shows up on the screen. In the document I copied from the footnotes don’t show. Two questions...is there a way to copy so the footnotes are pulled? Or how do I create a footnote so it doesn’t show up on the screen when Jaws gets to the bottom of the page? Thanks, Kevin


moderated creating footnotes

kevin meyers
 

Hello, I’m using windows10, Jaws2020 and word 2016. I have a document with footnotes. I selected all and then copy. I then pasted the document into another document. When I pressed the windows key and the semi-colon none of the footnotes showed up. I then decided to just create the footnotes. I went into references and then insert footnote and entered the footnote. I then pressed shift f5. The footnote shows up on the screen. In the document I copied from the footnotes don’t show. Two questions...is there a way to copy so the footnotes are pulled? Or how do I create a footnote so it doesn’t show up on the screen when Jaws gets to the bottom of the page? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Lost system tray icons

Don Mauck
 

Anyone know how I can get my system tray repopulated? I’ve only six items and I’ve gone through settings and I am out of ideas.

 

 

Regards:

 

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office |  (APO)

 

303.334.4184

Don.mauck@...

 


moderated JAWS 2021 Beta

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
 

Hi friends,

 

Has anyone noticed with the new version that when in Google Chrome and navigating a web page with the down arrow, JAWS seems to skip over bland lines and not say anything automatically?

 

 

 

 

 

Steven Hicks

Servicedesk 2 Team Leader

Tel:  01209 318620.

Mobile:  07393 792548.

EMail:  Steven.Hicks@...

 



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moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Mike B
 


I think what you want to change is your Speech and Sounds scheme.  Which one you want to use, I don't know but, it's a pretty easy task to switch schemes, steps below.
While in Word press, Insert, Alt + S, to open a list of schemes but, make note of which one that's highlighted so you can go back to it if you need to.
 
Arrow up and down and pick one you want to try and press enter.  Sometimes turning off Jaws and restarting is necessary to make the change take affect.
 
There are several schemes to pick from but, it shouldn't take very long to experiment with them to get an idea what they're all about just for future reference.  These schemes are availble for all programs if you ever feel the need to experiment with another program.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Hello, If you hold down the insert key and then press f1 twice,  JAWS should bring up its documentaation for the current application. Also, JAWS does have a tool that looks for font changes extra spaces and afew other things. I can't remember the exact tool name but I believe it can be enabled with INSERT space followed by a. 
HTH!



On Nov 10, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdressage@...> wrote:



Hello,

I am working on college papers but the feedback I’m getting includes font changes, parenthesis, etc. Is there a setting in JFW 2021 that will assist me more independently edit my papers?

Thank you,

Vaughn


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Hello, If you hold down the insert key and then press f1 twice,  JAWS should bring up its documentaation for the current application. Also, JAWS does have a tool that looks for font changes extra spaces and afew other things. I can't remember the exact tool name but I believe it can be enabled with INSERT space followed by a. 
HTH!



On Nov 10, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdressage@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

I am working on college papers but the feedback I’m getting includes font changes, parenthesis, etc. Is there a setting in JFW 2021 that will assist me more independently edit my papers?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn


moderated Re: Searching the JAWS Group Archive

 

Believe it or not, Groups.io has made searching the group archive easier than it once was as far as plowing through search results goes, so I have updated the document, Searching the JAWS Group Archive (MS-Word format)

Both JAWS and NVDA are mentioned in this document, because a NVDA user new to JAWS might be using NVDA for their searches, and vice versa.

My problem is that I really cannot know what "table traversal method" any given individual might use and prefer, so I don't get really specific on that aspect.  I have never received any feedback (which I'd appreciate either on this topic or by using the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message to reply to me privately) from anyone, so if you use them and find something that you found difficult to follow or have other suggestions for improvement please share them.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Reg clean pro and Jaws scripts

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi List


Michelle Stevens here


Does anyone have tips to nevigate round RegClean Pro.  The buttons do not work with Jaws 20200824.  Running windows 64 bit Windows 10 latest updates.


Warmest wishes frtom Aus


moderated Windows 10 20 H2, Favourites gone from Edge Chromium After Updating

Nermin
 

Hi all,


the subject pretty much says it all.


I had a ton of favourites saved in a folder that had been previously imported from Firefox. Out of a habit, I saved every link in that particular folder, since it contained most of my everyday links.

I am so frustrated now!

Edge gave me its usual "Hello, welcome, and let's start to make your life better" screen where I was presented with various customisation options, and I closed out of that dialogue since I had previously gone through the entire process.

Also from my first launch of Edge on after the update, all the instructions were in English.


Now, I don't want to hear anything about backups, incremental this, and possible future strategies.

I just want to know if there's a way of retrieving my favourites that Microsoft nuked in the update process??

A file, folder, registry entry, whatever, where my old favourites might be stored?


I tried contacting MS through their disability helpline using Be My Eyes to no avail, since something is either wrong with the app or on their end.

Calling in directly isn't really possible unless I want to spend a ton of money on an international call.


Any thoughts?


Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

 

Vaughn,

           What follows is both lecture and attempt to help, and the lecture is a part of that attempt.

           From what you've written, I am guessing that you may have recently gone blind and be very new to JAWS or any screen reader.  I have some "rules" you need to follow that will make your life much, much easier when dealing with all things computer related under Windows 10, or any operating system really.

Rule 1.  When you are trying to get a specific thing to occur, particularly if uncertain, take the time to think about what should be controlling that specific thing.  You gave an excellent example, getting Word Count or determining the font currently in use.   There will be three levels that will always be involved for you to think about, but only one of the three is going to be responsible for "the thing" no matter what it is.
                     a) Windows 10
                     b) Your Screen Reader
                     c) Your application program (word processor, web browser, software updater utility, etc., etc., etc.)

In this case, before I answer (and I'm sure you probably know it now), which of those three is most likely to handle the word count and font information:  the application program, in this case MS-Word.  So if you're looking for documentation regarding keyboard shortcuts to get this information, you'd want to do web searches on Microsoft Word Keyboard Shortcuts.  And Microsoft is great about documenting keyboard shortcuts for every program it produces in detail.  Click through on this link for a DuckDuckGo.com web search on MS-Word Keyboard Shortcuts and I will be shocked if the first result for you isn't the same as it is for me:  

Keyboard shortcuts in Word - Office Support
along with a long list of third party "cheat sheets" on MS-Word keyboard shortcuts.  If you search that page on Font, the first thing you hit under the Formatting Characters section is for bringing up the Font Dialog with either one of these two shortcuts:  CTRL+D or CTRL+SHIFT+F.
A DuckDuckGo web search on "Word 2016" Word Count keyboard shortcut returns the following as its first result: 

Is there a keyboard shortcut for word count?

which has the magic shortcut: CTRL+SHIFT+G for bringing up the Word Count dialog.

Web searches for a specific program, the specific thing you're trying to do, and the phrase "keyboard shortcut" generally take you straight to documentation with exactly that in it.

Every screen reader has documentation regarding its own keyboard shortcuts, and that particular documentation is not only downloadable, but is generally available in the Help menu for your screen reader.  I'm not running JAWS on this machine and I don't remember the keyboard shortcut sequence to bring up the JAWS help menu, but I know they have something in it with regard to the screen reader keyboard shortcuts as I've brought up same many times when working with clients.  That document opens in your web browser and is quite a bit more comprehensive in what it gives you.

Essentially, if you know the thing you're trying to do is likely controlled by Windows 10, web searching on "Windows 10" plus what it is you're trying to do plus the phrase "keyboard shortcut" is likely to find it.  Substitute JAWS for Windows 10 when it's a screen reader function of JAWS, or the program name as appropriate when it's the application.  This is absolutely the fastest way to find this information independently when you're in a hurry.

Rule 2:  If you didn't find what you were looking for, review rule one and try one of the other "levels" to look at if you think you may have chosen the incorrect one the first time around.

Rule 3:  If Rule 1 and Rule 2 come up empty, ask here or elsewhere.

Because you say you are new to Windows 10, you may be interested in also joining the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group:

and/or the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group:

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Van Lant, Robin
 

Vaughn,

While I have not really developed my skills in this area, I think you may be looking to use a sound scheme in JAWS that will help you hear font changes while you review your paper. If you are simply having the problem of turning in your papers with accidental use of various fonts, you can always do a final font attribute change at the end of your paper. That is, you could finish typing the paper, then go back and select all text and select the font size and style you want.  You may need to subsequently format any section headings, but at least you know all the font is unified.  One of my frustrations with Word is that it will sometimes change my default font if I use a bulleted list in a document. I havent’ figured out a way to stop this behavior yet, so I know to go back at the end and select all text and reset it to the font I want.

 

If your problem is that you are asking for others to edit your papers and they are doing so by changing font color or style or making parenthetical notes to you, you might want to use a sound scheme to have JAWS alert you to each change.  Alternatively, you can tell them to use the Track Changes feature in Word so you can move from one edit to the next. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Font changes, etc. setting

 

Hello,

 

I am working on college papers but the feedback I’m getting includes font changes, parenthesis, etc. Is there a setting in JFW 2021 that will assist me more independently edit my papers?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn

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moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Vaughn Brown
 

Hi Brian and fellow listers,

 

Thank you for the feedback. Yes, I am using MS Word and will take you up on your advice on using an available template. JFW and Win. 10 are new to me and I appreciate your inputs. Is there a manual in JFW menu where I can look up key commands? For example there are specific key commands for word count and font. The JFW help using insert H seems to generate the more basic commands.

 

Thank you, again!

 

Vaughn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Font changes, etc. setting

 

Vaughn,

            You'd need to be a lot more specific about the nits they're picking in order to get a focused answer.  That being said, I would ask what font face and point size is wanted as a starting point.  And if all of your papers are to be delivered to individuals and departments who dictate that font then I'd edit your Normal.dotm file (details later, if needed) so that any blank document you open will default to having it from the get-go.

             Word includes the Styles feature, and if you are told which of the various Styles they'd prefer you use, you could activate that before starting the paper and the various fonts, sizes, indents, outline/bullet styles, etc., will conform to that Style.

             It's the parentheses part I really can't answer, as they will be presented in whatever font you're using.  Now if the issue is they want different delimiters at different times, e.g. square brackets, curly braces, and the like then they need to make clear under what circumstances each is wanted, or refer you to something like the Chicago Manual of Style or other formatting reference that reflects what's being asked for.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

 

Jaffar was wise to point out that this really is a "word processor thing," not a "screen reader thing," per se.

All of my earlier comments, though focused on MS-Word, are applicable to the analogous constructs in other Word processors as well.
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi Baughn.  I don't think jaws on it's own can help you much with your situation.  What you need to do is to get to know your Word Processor, depending on which you are using of course.  Having said all that, I'm no expert with using jaws, but getting your word processor, whether it be Microsoft word or some other word application to do what you want, will help you a great deal.  At the end of the day, Jaws is a screen reader and will reproduce as speech, what you output to your screen.  Cheers!

On 11/11/2020 5:29 am, Vaughn Brown wrote:

Hello,

 

I am working on college papers but the feedback I’m getting includes font changes, parenthesis, etc. Is there a setting in JFW 2021 that will assist me more independently edit my papers?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn


moderated Re: Font changes, etc. setting

 

Vaughn,

            You'd need to be a lot more specific about the nits they're picking in order to get a focused answer.  That being said, I would ask what font face and point size is wanted as a starting point.  And if all of your papers are to be delivered to individuals and departments who dictate that font then I'd edit your Normal.dotm file (details later, if needed) so that any blank document you open will default to having it from the get-go.

             Word includes the Styles feature, and if you are told which of the various Styles they'd prefer you use, you could activate that before starting the paper and the various fonts, sizes, indents, outline/bullet styles, etc., will conform to that Style.

             It's the parentheses part I really can't answer, as they will be presented in whatever font you're using.  Now if the issue is they want different delimiters at different times, e.g. square brackets, curly braces, and the like then they need to make clear under what circumstances each is wanted, or refer you to something like the Chicago Manual of Style or other formatting reference that reflects what's being asked for.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Font changes, etc. setting

Vaughn Brown
 

Hello,

 

I am working on college papers but the feedback I’m getting includes font changes, parenthesis, etc. Is there a setting in JFW 2021 that will assist me more independently edit my papers?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn


moderated Re: the dictation software built into Win10

 

Like most things, Microsoft documents this pretty well:  

Use dictation to talk instead of type on your PC

Also, you can use the web search engine of your choosing, and put in exactly what's between the square brackets, [+"Windows 10" Speech Recognition Dictation] and you get scads of tutorials about this.  I can't know who might like which tutorial, but they're targeted.  It even returns documents with the equivalent of keyboard shortcuts documents for voice commands.

--

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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the dictation software built into Win10

Joseph Hudson
 

Oh I have a USB mic that's no problem. I'm using that connected to my Mac right now. The computer I'm gonna be using is loaded up in a car and going to the computer hospital sometime this afternoon to get a quote. To get windows 10. Already got the "upgrade my jaws, and have money set aside for that.

On Nov 9, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Ashleigh Piccinino <apiccinino@outlook.com> wrote:

I don’t have a mike hooked up to my computer though, so it wouldn’t help anyway. It seemed good when I used it before, though/would really help me with writing papers and things/would help someone who couldn’t use a keyboard. I thought the hotkey was windows h but that doesn’t seem to be the case any more. I can’t get that to work with Word.
On Nov 8, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
You can give the software a spoken "wake up" command. Or you can use key stroke. At the moment the command to come out of sleep mode eludes me.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 1:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the dictation software built into Win10

So once you enable it which keystroke do you use to activate it when you actually need to dictate something? I will be upgrading to Windows 10 here in a few days and this would be great to know as I'm not a great typist.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:

Hank,
In Windows 10:
Go to “Settings”
Go to “Ease of Access”
Tab once to get to list of items under “ease of Access”
Arrow down to “Interaction”
This will give you a list of four items The top one is Speech Tab over
to the list of items to set up Speech Dictation.
Here you can turn on dictation and make other selections.
There are other options which you can access from this screen or under the “Time & Language” area in settings. This also has a ”speech” settings area.

You can leave dictation on or allow for sleep until you call for it.

Hope this helps.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank
William Merchant
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the dictation software built into Win10


Good morning,

How does a person go about activating and when done exiting this built into Win10 dictation software and from wherre can maybe a person find a tutorial on using this dictation software with jaws? Any help I can maybe get with this would be so very much appreciated! Much thanks in advance for any possible help.







Kindest regards,

Hank


From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: dictation software

Hi,
I like the built in Speech Dictation in Windows 10. Like the Word “Dictate” add in it is just a basic program but responds well and is pretty accurate.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James
Rinehart
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: dictation software

Hello everyone,

I have a client who wishes to use some dictation software with JAWS. We have tried the new Dictate add-in with Word and JAWS. It works reasonably well, but seems to lack some of the “bells and whistles” like literal numbers or word and correction. But for get thoughts on a page and going back and “cleaning up, it is a good choice.

I get very mixed reviews on Dragon Naturally speaking and JAWS. I read everything from it works well to they don’t play nice together and it is difficult to set up.

Wondering about experiences anyone may have had trying to use Dragon with JAWS. My person is running JAWS 2020, and Office 365 on a Windows 10 computer. If it does work what do we have to do to make it so? Also a question of a headset mic vs tabletop. My client doesn’t care for headsets, but if a must have, a recommendation for a reasonably priced one.

Thanks

Jim

James Rinehart, MA, ATP, CWDP
Assistive Technology Specialist

4740 Kingsway Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46205

P 317.466.1000 x2527 • F 317.466.2000
jrinehart@eastersealscrossroads.org

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Was wondering if anyone has knowledge if Spark Instant Messenger is compatible with JAWS 2018?

Thanks

Jim Rinehart














moderated Re: the dictation software built into Win10

Randy Barnett
 

Dictation and speech recognition or the same thing. When your computer reads text to you with a voice that speaks that is a speech sensitizer. When the computer listens to use speak that is speech recognition.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 10, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@twc.com> wrote:

Wait a minute, Windows speech that's not what my question was about. I think in this case I will be using the Cortana I think of speech speech is something that is reading you information.
On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Jim Fettgather <jimfettgather@gmail.com> wrote:

I have successfully used the Windows Key and H to toggle windows speech recognition on and off.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the dictation software built into Win10

So once you enable it which keystroke do you use to activate it when you actually need to dictate something? I will be upgrading to Windows 10 here in a few days and this would be great to know as I'm not a great typist.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:

Hank,
In Windows 10:
Go to “Settings”
Go to “Ease of Access”
Tab once to get to list of items under “ease of Access”
Arrow down to “Interaction”
This will give you a list of four items
The top one is Speech
Tab over to the list of items to set up Speech Dictation.
Here you can turn on dictation and make other selections.
There are other options which you can access from this screen or under the “Time & Language” area in settings. This also has a ”speech” settings area.

You can leave dictation on or allow for sleep until you call for it.

Hope this helps.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the dictation software built into Win10


Good morning,

How does a person go about activating and when done exiting this built into Win10 dictation software and from wherre can maybe a person find a tutorial on using this dictation software with jaws? Any help I can maybe get with this would be so very much appreciated! Much thanks in advance for any possible help.







Kindest regards,

Hank


From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: dictation software

Hi,
I like the built in Speech Dictation in Windows 10. Like the Word “Dictate” add in it is just a basic program but responds well and is pretty accurate.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Rinehart
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: dictation software

Hello everyone,

I have a client who wishes to use some dictation software with JAWS. We have tried the new Dictate add-in with Word and JAWS. It works reasonably well, but seems to lack some of the “bells and whistles” like literal numbers or word and correction. But for get thoughts on a page and going back and “cleaning up, it is a good choice.

I get very mixed reviews on Dragon Naturally speaking and JAWS. I read everything from it works well to they don’t play nice together and it is difficult to set up.

Wondering about experiences anyone may have had trying to use Dragon with JAWS. My person is running JAWS 2020, and Office 365 on a Windows 10 computer. If it does work what do we have to do to make it so? Also a question of a headset mic vs tabletop. My client doesn’t care for headsets, but if a must have, a recommendation for a reasonably priced one.

Thanks

Jim

James Rinehart, MA, ATP, CWDP
Assistive Technology Specialist

4740 Kingsway Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46205

P 317.466.1000 x2527 • F 317.466.2000
jrinehart@eastersealscrossroads.org

eastersealscrossroads.org








--
Was wondering if anyone has knowledge if Spark Instant Messenger is compatible with JAWS 2018?

Thanks

Jim Rinehart








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