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moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Mike B
 

Howdy again Marty,
 
Okay for Windows 7 do the following:
 
Windows 7:
1. Press the Windows key to open the Start menu.

2. Navigate to, Submenu Programs or All Programs, and press enter.

3. Navigate with tapping the letter, J, until you get to your Jaws version.
 
4. Open the context menu with the applications key, or, Shift + F10, navigate to, SendTo , press enter, down arrow to, Desktop create shortcut, and press enter.  You'll now have a, Jaws2020, shortcut icon on the desktop.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Thanks Mike.  I failed to mention that I am still using Windows 7, so it does not recognize the shell:appsfolder.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
Hi Marty,
 
To create a desktop shortcut for Jaws2020 try the following:
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, and type in what is below, read character by character, to make sure you type it correctly and press enter.
shell:appsfolder
2. Tap the letter, J, until Jaws reports Jaws2020.

3. Press the, applications key, or, Shift + F10, to open the context menu.
4. Up or Down arro to, Create shortcut, and press enter.  You'll get a dialogue stating that a shortcut can't be created here, and would you like to create
a shortcut on the desktop instead?  Press the spacebar on the Yes button and wham bam your Word shortcut icon will be on the desktop.
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
OK,  I have just deleted my JAWS 2020 short cut from my desk top.  I then went to Start All Programs JFW 2020 JAWS and hit the Context menu.  I did not find a Create Desktop shortcut option, so I went to Properties Shortcut Tab and entered J for the shortcut key.  I then tabbed to Apply then hit OK.  Then I exited JAWS 2020 and pressed Control+Alt+J and it worked after a few seconds.  Now, I do not have a desktop shortcut for JAWS 2020 and none of my other desktop shortcuts work, but the hot key combo works to restart JAWS.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

I also wonder if you might solve the problem by first deleting the JAWS shortcut from your desktop. Next, copy a new shortcut from the start menu to the desktop and reassign a shortcut key to the newly copied shortcut.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/17/2020 7:06 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

Thanks Mike.  I failed to mention that I am still using Windows 7, so it does not recognize the shell:appsfolder.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
Hi Marty,
 
To create a desktop shortcut for Jaws2020 try the following:
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, and type in what is below, read character by character, to make sure you type it correctly and press enter.
shell:appsfolder
2. Tap the letter, J, until Jaws reports Jaws2020.

3. Press the, applications key, or, Shift + F10, to open the context menu.
4. Up or Down arro to, Create shortcut, and press enter.  You'll get a dialogue stating that a shortcut can't be created here, and would you like to create
a shortcut on the desktop instead?  Press the spacebar on the Yes button and wham bam your Word shortcut icon will be on the desktop.
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
OK,  I have just deleted my JAWS 2020 short cut from my desk top.  I then went to Start All Programs JFW 2020 JAWS and hit the Context menu.  I did not find a Create Desktop shortcut option, so I went to Properties Shortcut Tab and entered J for the shortcut key.  I then tabbed to Apply then hit OK.  Then I exited JAWS 2020 and pressed Control+Alt+J and it worked after a few seconds.  Now, I do not have a desktop shortcut for JAWS 2020 and none of my other desktop shortcuts work, but the hot key combo works to restart JAWS.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

I also wonder if you might solve the problem by first deleting the JAWS shortcut from your desktop. Next, copy a new shortcut from the start menu to the desktop and reassign a shortcut key to the newly copied shortcut.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/17/2020 7:06 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Richard Turner
 

If I may chime in here, Marie's point was you don't just get storage for your money with Microsoft 365, you also get the entire Office Suite of programs.
Dropbox just gives you storage.
So, it depends what you want/need.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:41 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:



I think I paid including taxes $159 for 3 Tbs of storage with drop box.  Using Marie’s logic, $120 for 1 Tb per user and you can have 5 different users is still the best bang for your buck. Strictly mathematically it is $120 for 5 Tbs of storage.   


moderated Re: jaws with internet controls.

 

Sometimes turning off the virtual cursor and using tab to go through the elements on a page can help. Apart from that I recommend Synology NAS devices as the accessibility of their web interface is reasonably good

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws with internet controls.

 

Hi,

 

I have several nas devices on my network with different web interfaces.

The buffalo link station is particularly inaccessible.

There are various button controls on it, depending on what you are doing.

With jaws, there seems to be no way to activate them.

I have tried:

Using the “enter” key.

Pressing “spacebar”.

Routing pc to jaws and left-clicking.

Same thing but right-clicking.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how these controls might be accessed?

Buffalo say that they are addressing this, but i wont hold my breath.

I have tried it with jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update).

Most likely, whoever developed the interface didn’t label anything.

It also doesn’t seem to matter what browser is being used.

I have tried:

Internet explorer, edge (latest version), google chrome (latest version) and brave.

 

pat

 


moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Mike B
 

Hi Marty,
 
To create a desktop shortcut for Jaws2020 try the following:
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, and type in what is below, read character by character, to make sure you type it correctly and press enter.
shell:appsfolder
2. Tap the letter, J, until Jaws reports Jaws2020.

3. Press the, applications key, or, Shift + F10, to open the context menu.
4. Up or Down arro to, Create shortcut, and press enter.  You'll get a dialogue stating that a shortcut can't be created here, and would you like to create
a shortcut on the desktop instead?  Press the spacebar on the Yes button and wham bam your Word shortcut icon will be on the desktop.
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

OK,  I have just deleted my JAWS 2020 short cut from my desk top.  I then went to Start All Programs JFW 2020 JAWS and hit the Context menu.  I did not find a Create Desktop shortcut option, so I went to Properties Shortcut Tab and entered J for the shortcut key.  I then tabbed to Apply then hit OK.  Then I exited JAWS 2020 and pressed Control+Alt+J and it worked after a few seconds.  Now, I do not have a desktop shortcut for JAWS 2020 and none of my other desktop shortcuts work, but the hot key combo works to restart JAWS.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

I also wonder if you might solve the problem by first deleting the JAWS shortcut from your desktop. Next, copy a new shortcut from the start menu to the desktop and reassign a shortcut key to the newly copied shortcut.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/17/2020 7:06 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

David Diamond
 

I think I paid including taxes $159 for 3 Tbs of storage with drop box.  Using Marie’s logic, $120 for 1 Tb per user and you can have 5 different users is still the best bang for your buck. Strictly mathematically it is $120 for 5 Tbs of storage.   


moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

 

Marie,

 

You are actually getting 2TB of space for about $120 per year with Dropbox. Not that this overrides your argument but it's best to quote the correct facts.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

 

If you think about it, One year of DropBox with 1TB is around $120. You can get a one year subscription to Office 365 which you can share with family members. Each member can install on five systems and each one gets their own 1TB of One Drive space. In addition, as long as you are subscribed you get all updates to all the Office programs.

It's not rocket science!

On 7/17/2020 11:22 AM, David Diamond wrote:

I believe with an outlook or Hotmail account you get 5 Gs free of one drive space.  Not bad if you don’t need it.  Myself I ran out of the 5 Gs rather quickly as basically everything in my drop box is in my one drive now. 


moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

OK,  I have just deleted my JAWS 2020 short cut from my desk top.  I then went to Start All Programs JFW 2020 JAWS and hit the Context menu.  I did not find a Create Desktop shortcut option, so I went to Properties Shortcut Tab and entered J for the shortcut key.  I then tabbed to Apply then hit OK.  Then I exited JAWS 2020 and pressed Control+Alt+J and it worked after a few seconds.  Now, I do not have a desktop shortcut for JAWS 2020 and none of my other desktop shortcuts work, but the hot key combo works to restart JAWS.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

I also wonder if you might solve the problem by first deleting the JAWS shortcut from your desktop. Next, copy a new shortcut from the start menu to the desktop and reassign a shortcut key to the newly copied shortcut.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/17/2020 7:06 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 
I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Mike B
 


Personally, mine have never failed when pinned to the Taskbar.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

its easier to use the Windows 1, etc. or to tap windows and type a couple letters when you have programs that start with the same letter.
Of course, it's easiest if the standard hotkeys from the desktop worked the way they do without Jaws.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:


If you have a desktop icon for your JAWS or any ap, just hit Windows D and hit the first letter of the ap that you wish to open.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

Everyone experiencing this, please contact Freedom Scientific.

Changing the icon name does nothing for me, no desktop shortcuts work.

This is not true for everyone, but for those of us for whom it is true, it is a pain in the butt!

I now either use the Windows 1 through 0 keys for programs pinned to the task bar, or I tap the Windows Key and type enough of the name to get a match and hit enter.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

I too have had no joy with desktop shortcuts ever since installing JAWS 2020.  It is not only the JAWS hot key that doesn’t work, but all of my short cuts that quit working.

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:06 AM

Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

From a fellow sufferer of this bug, I’m guessing she is running Jaws 2020 on Windows 10, or 2019 on Windows 10.  I reported this bug last year to FS and discovered that only a few people had this issue.

Eric Damery did a tandem session with me and he could observe it on my machine, this  was still with Jaws 2019.

They thought they had solved it in 2020, which did work fine for about 4 days.

Then, I lost the ability to use the shortcuts I had created.

So, I switched to using the pin to task bar, I think it is called, where Windows Key plus 1 launches the first program in the order pinned, etc.

I am the only user of this machine, I have admin rights up the ying yang, yet, they do not seem to know what causes this.

This is a Del Inspiron  57 something or other, laptop.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:23 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Hi all,

I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?

Any assistance is appreciated.

Thanks,

David    


moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

David Goldfield
 

I also wonder if you might solve the problem by first deleting the JAWS shortcut from your desktop. Next, copy a new shortcut from the start menu to the desktop and reassign a shortcut key to the newly copied shortcut.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/17/2020 7:06 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

David, I just removed Malware Bites a few days ago, and still no joy. It all stopped working when I put the free JAWS 2020 on my computer. I have made sure that the previous versions of JAWS do not have a short cut key set.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

I seriously doubt that what I'm about to suggest is the cause of the
problem. However, as I encountered similar issues a while ago I'll just
throw this out there. Is the consumer having this problem using the
commercial Malware Bytes program?

I encountered similar issues which, in my case, was caused by or at
least had something to do with running the commercial version of
Malware Bytes along with Kaspersky Antivirus. I did not wish to remove
Kaspersky but removing Malware bytes solved the problem.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 7/17/2020 1:04 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i get this sometimes. and i have to go into the properties and the shortcut will be there but will not work until i put it back to none, click on ok to save it and re set it back to control alt j again. then it will start working again.

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost. Doublecheck in
properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter. This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay. sometimes you get an error message saying that only
an administrator can make this change. Okay the message, then you
can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to
be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

Hi all,



I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?



Any assistance is appreciated.



Thanks,

David








moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Richard Turner
 

its easier to use the Windows 1, etc. or to tap windows and type a couple letters when you have programs that start with the same letter.
Of course, it's easiest if the standard hotkeys from the desktop worked the way they do without Jaws.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:


If you have a desktop icon for your JAWS or any ap, just hit Windows D and hit the first letter of the ap that you wish to open.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

Everyone experiencing this, please contact Freedom Scientific.

 

Changing the icon name does nothing for me, no desktop shortcuts work.

This is not true for everyone, but for those of us for whom it is true, it is a pain in the butt!

 

I now either use the Windows 1 through 0 keys for programs pinned to the task bar, or I tap the Windows Key and type enough of the name to get a match and hit enter.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

I too have had no joy with desktop shortcuts ever since installing JAWS 2020.  It is not only the JAWS hot key that doesn’t work, but all of my short cuts that quit working.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:06 AM

Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

From a fellow sufferer of this bug, I’m guessing she is running Jaws 2020 on Windows 10, or 2019 on Windows 10.  I reported this bug last year to FS and discovered that only a few people had this issue.

Eric Damery did a tandem session with me and he could observe it on my machine, this  was still with Jaws 2019.

They thought they had solved it in 2020, which did work fine for about 4 days.

Then, I lost the ability to use the shortcuts I had created.

So, I switched to using the pin to task bar, I think it is called, where Windows Key plus 1 launches the first program in the order pinned, etc.

 

I am the only user of this machine, I have admin rights up the ying yang, yet, they do not seem to know what causes this.

This is a Del Inspiron  57 something or other, laptop.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:23 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

Hi all,

 

I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?

 

Any assistance is appreciated.

 

Thanks,

David    

 


moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Mike B
 

Hi Adrain,
 
Why not go with, J2020, just to cut down on what you have to listen to?  And with subsequent version shortcuts you or someone else has on their desktop, J19, J2018....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

I skipped past several messages on this topic and so I don't know if this suggestion was also made.

I used to have the problem of the disappearing control-alt-j shortcut until an FS tech support guy told me to rename the icon. Ever since, I've added the word "shortcut" in the icons for every version of JAWS on my desktop. I'm trying to remember if I created the control-alt-j shortcut before or after renaming the icon. I'm guessing I do that first.

Example: JAWS 2020 shortcut

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open
>JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open
>NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and
>she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the
>problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or
>something like that? If so, what do you do?
>
>
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>







moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

If you have a desktop icon for your JAWS or any ap, just hit Windows D and hit the first letter of the ap that you wish to open.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS
 

Everyone experiencing this, please contact Freedom Scientific.

 

Changing the icon name does nothing for me, no desktop shortcuts work.

This is not true for everyone, but for those of us for whom it is true, it is a pain in the butt!

 

I now either use the Windows 1 through 0 keys for programs pinned to the task bar, or I tap the Windows Key and type enough of the name to get a match and hit enter.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

I too have had no joy with desktop shortcuts ever since installing JAWS 2020.  It is not only the JAWS hot key that doesn’t work, but all of my short cuts that quit working.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:06 AM

Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

From a fellow sufferer of this bug, I’m guessing she is running Jaws 2020 on Windows 10, or 2019 on Windows 10.  I reported this bug last year to FS and discovered that only a few people had this issue.

Eric Damery did a tandem session with me and he could observe it on my machine, this  was still with Jaws 2019.

They thought they had solved it in 2020, which did work fine for about 4 days.

Then, I lost the ability to use the shortcuts I had created.

So, I switched to using the pin to task bar, I think it is called, where Windows Key plus 1 launches the first program in the order pinned, etc.

 

I am the only user of this machine, I have admin rights up the ying yang, yet, they do not seem to know what causes this.

This is a Del Inspiron  57 something or other, laptop.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:23 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

 

Hi all,

 

I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?

 

Any assistance is appreciated.

 

Thanks,

David    

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2020: Speech and Sounds Manager/Editing a Scheme: What Happened to the HTML Tab?

David Goldfield
 

As a follow-up I contacted FS tech support about this question. The HTML tab was removed because newer browsers are not able to provide JAWS with the same level of information and so I gather that the options in the HTML list might not be as well supported.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 7/16/2020 6:10 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
When editing a speech and sounds scheme there used to be an HTML tab right before the last Misc tab. I've noticed that this tab is gone in the latest build of JAWS 2020. Does anyone know if this is a bug or if it was deliberately removed?


moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Well, I only use Windows Defender and have the issue; so you are right, that isn't the cause in my case.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:32 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

I seriously doubt that what I'm about to suggest is the cause of the problem. However, as I encountered similar issues a while ago I'll just throw this out there. Is the consumer having this problem using the commercial MalwareBytes program?

I encountered similar issues which, in my case, was caused by or at least had something to do with running the commercial version of MalwareBytes along with Kaspersky Antivirus. I did not wish to remove Kaspersky but removing Malwarebytes solved the problem.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

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On 7/17/2020 1:04 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i get this sometimes. and i have to go into the properties and the shortcut will be there but will not work until i put it back to none, click on ok to save it and re set it back to control alt j again. then it will start working again.

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in
properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only
an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you
can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to
be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

Hi all,



I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?



Any assistance is appreciated.



Thanks,

David













moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Van Lant, Robin
 

My guess is that, while JAWS can read the cell contents to you, the cell width is actually not wide enough to show all the text you typed visually.  I’ve had this before when printing handouts for people.  Unfortunately, I cannot find a verbosity setting in JAWS to turn on a notification.  I used to have a setting turned on that would say “Clipped” when the text was cut off, but I wonder if that was back when I used Window Eyes, because I’m not finding a setting to toggle for that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

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moderated Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

David Goldfield
 

I seriously doubt that what I'm about to suggest is the cause of the problem. However, as I encountered similar issues a while ago I'll just throw this out there. Is the consumer having this problem using the commercial MalwareBytes program?

I encountered similar issues which, in my case, was caused by or at least had something to do with running the commercial version of MalwareBytes along with Kaspersky Antivirus. I did not wish to remove Kaspersky but removing Malwarebytes solved the problem.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 7/17/2020 1:04 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i get this sometimes. and i have to go into the properties and the shortcut will be there but will not work until i put it back to none, click on ok to save it and re set it back to control alt j again. then it will start working again.

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS

Sometimes that keystroke seems to get lost.  Doublecheck in
properties that it is still assigned.
1. Go to the desktop.
2. Locate the JAWS icon, do not press enter.
3. Press alt+enter.  This should give you properties.
4. Tab to shortcut, and be sure it is set to ctrl+alt+j.
5. Tab to okay.  sometimes you get an error message saying that only
an administrator can make this change.  Okay the message, then you
can okay the change.
6. While still on the JAWS icon, press alt+enter again and check to
be sure it worked.

Good luck!

At 08:23 AM 7/17/2020, you wrote:

Hi all,



I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt J to open JAWS, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt N to open NVDA. I know that it is set correctly in JAWS shortcut Properties and she has admin privileges, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?



Any assistance is appreciated.



Thanks,

David







moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 05:44 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
I tried to open a PDF file in Word 2016 the other day, but I got a message requiring a subscription fee
Then something is wrong with your Office 2016 install.  This has been standard, non-subscription functionality since Office 2013 (I think, it may be as far back as 2010, but I don't think so).

I have Office 2016 and can open PDFs from within Word with no nags whatsoever beyond the warning (for which I have intentionally not checked the Don't show this message again checkbox) that Word will reformat the PDF file and the result may not be absolutely exact.

I can also bring up the context menu for a PDF file and choose Word from the apps in the Open with item.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Mich Verrier
 

PDF to txt is the program that comes to mind from Mich


On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts thme to word.

 

I can't remember the name.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss