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moderated Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Richard Turner
 

Try Insert+6 on the number row.

Control+shift+d for default all applications, then search for indentation.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

 

I made some progress. CAPS + V to bring up quick settings. Then search for indentation. There is a setting for it to ignore indentation. However, it has to be configured for each application, it seems. I'm not sure why.


moderated Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Mark
 

I made some progress. CAPS + V to bring up quick settings. Then search for indentation. There is a setting for it to ignore indentation. However, it has to be configured for each application, it seems. I'm not sure why.


moderated how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Mark
 

I've been tweaking my Speech and Sound Schemes and I'm not sure if I messed something up. It now seems to describe if it is left, right, centred, etc. justified. I don't ever remember this being spoken before.  I did change the Voice Aliases associated with the indentation rules in my new scheme, but even when I try an pre-configured scheme, I'm still hearing the indentation description.  Any ideas about how I can turn that bit of description off? 


moderated Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Daniel,

 

There are a few commands for which the Insert and Caps Lock keys are not substitutable in laptop mode. Insert J to get to the JAWS menus is one of them, so you must hit Insert J, not Caps Lock J. Other keystrokes where you must use the Insert key are Insert W to get Windows keystroke help and Insert H to get JAWS keystroke help.

 

David


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Richard Turner
 

Jaws 2020 is supposed to have his free scripts by default.
Good luck.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for Zoom?

thanks, richard. that's what I would have expected. Also, insert+h gives me no hotkey list. I think I downloaded some free basic scripts from Brian Hartgen some time ago. I wonder if they are replacing the native JAWS scripts.

I will tinker a bit and see.


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Ann Byrne
 

thanks, richard. that's what I would have expected. Also, insert+h gives me no hotkey list. I think I downloaded some free basic scripts from Brian Hartgen some time ago. I wonder if they are replacing the native JAWS scripts.

I will tinker a bit and see.


moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Ann Byrne
 

Maybe.

1. Open Excel options, alt+f, then t.
2. Arrow down through the categories to advanced.
3. Tab to "allow editing in cells" and be sure it is *not checked.

Good luck!


moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Alan Robbins
 

Bob,

I had this problem a long time ago, the below fixed it, give it a look:

1. Have Excel open.
2. Press “alt+f” to open the file menu then press “t” for the options.
3. Press “control+tab” until the focus is on the “Advanced” options page.
4. Press “alt+e” to toggle the “Allow editing directly in cells”
option. Ensure that this is unchecked.
5. Press “enter” to save the changes.
Editing cell contents should now work again.
Note that in turning this setting off, does change things slightly for visual users:
• With editing directly in cells enabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the cell itself. Text which would flow out of the cell flows to the right, then to lines below. Cells covered by this text are hidden while this happens. Text in the edited cell is coloured to highlight cell references and parenthesis.
• With editing directly in cells disabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the formula bar above the worksheet. Colouring of formula elements is also done in the formula bar rather than the cell while editing.
Only text which fits in the cell is visible in the cell while the formula is being edited.

I hope this helps,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:36 PM
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Hopefully someone has run into this as well. When I open a cell with F2, unless it is a small number or maybe 2 words in a cell, I can't read by characters. When I use the arrow keys Jaws says blank unless I am on the line with text and it will read the whole cell at once. But I can't navigate to the text.

I copied the workbook and opened it on my work computer and I'm fine. I opened settings for Jaws and both computers have the same settings checked.

I've had a couple people from FS tandem in and they couldn't find anything that would fix the problem.

Thanks for any help


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Richard Turner
 

Running Jaws 2020, and Zoom, insert q for me says:

Zoom Software settings. zChatUI.dll, z C h a t U I . d l l

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Scripts for Zoom?

when in Zoom, insert+q says default settings, z-chatUI.dll. Are these Zoom settings, I hope?

Thx


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

Are you running the Public Beta of JAWS 2021? Or, JAWS 2020?

And/or, did you purchase the Pro Scripts from Brian Hartgen?

My guess is that that is the Zoom Scripts. I can not fully answer that
question as I'm using the Pro Scripts from Brian Hartgen and I get a
different result. Answer my questions and maybe someone else will answer. As
I understand it, Brian Hartgen provided Freedom Scientific/Vispero in the
2019 with the free scripts for Zoom. If you are running an earlier version
of JAWS before 2019, you can get those free scripts from Hartgen.org.

Milton

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Scripts for Zoom?

when in Zoom, insert+q says default settings, z-chatUI.dll. Are these Zoom
settings, I hope?

Thx


moderated Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Debby Hill
 

Hi Daniel,

This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS laptop layout.

I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this works.

I hope this helps.

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel


moderated Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Mike B
 


Check to make sure your caps lock key is set to be used as the Jaws key.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:24 AM
Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from
the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j,
the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use
that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is
different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel






moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

NFB Lab 4
 

Try moving down column A. Then using insert up arrow to read each line. Some of the smaller spreadsheets make it easier to understand that way.


On Sep 19, 2020, at 1:12 AM, Bob Kennedy <intheshop@...> wrote:



As far as being able to compete with a sighted user, the quick answer is no. You can get close if you have a fantastic memory and can remember all of the Jaws commands for reading. Don't mean to be discouraging, I'm being honest, which a lot of people don't like.
On Friday, September 18, 2020, 12:42:14 PM EDT, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:


Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Mark
 

Oops, I should have wrote CAPS + I improved things.


moderated Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Bob Kennedy
 

Hopefully someone has run into this as well. When I open a cell with F2, unless it is a small number or maybe 2 words in a cell, I can't read by characters. When I use the arrow keys Jaws says blank unless I am on the line with text and it will read the whole cell at once. But I can't navigate to the text.

I copied the workbook and opened it on my work computer and I'm fine. I opened settings for Jaws and both computers have the same settings checked.

I've had a couple people from FS tandem in and they couldn't find anything that would fix the problem.

Thanks for any help


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Bob Kennedy
 


As far as being able to compete with a sighted user, the quick answer is no. You can get close if you have a fantastic memory and can remember all of the Jaws commands for reading. Don't mean to be discouraging, I'm being honest, which a lot of people don't like.

On Friday, September 18, 2020, 12:42:14 PM EDT, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:


Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Glenn / Lenny
 

I've never appreciated sighted people thinking that tasks need to be done at the speed of light.
I find it annoying when sighted people think I need help if it takes me 10 seconds longer to find a door for example.
Likewise, what is so important about being able to see what a file is about half a minute faster than a Blind person's technique.
some sighted people speed-read, and I believe that they don't absorb the information as well as a typical reader.
And some Blind folks can read Braille or synthetic speech faster than sighted people can read print.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Mike,

 

Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous.  As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet.  However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself.  No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person.  For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.

 

Greg

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Greg Daniel
 

Mike,

 

Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous.  As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet.  However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself.  No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person.  For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.

 

Greg

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Scott Pearl
 

Whether the below way is as fast as a sighted person, Idon’t know. There may be other ways to figure out quickly the content of a spreadsheet you’re not familiar with but the below way is how I like to do it.

Typically, I will just start pressing control with the arrow keys to start navigating regions. I’m looking for how big this spreadsheet actually is. If it only goes out for a few regions, this method will be extremely quick. But if there are dozens or hundreds of regions, then after awhile I will use the go to key to go to the edge of the spreadsheet and then control left arrow or control up arrow to get to the last populated cell. There are key combinations that JAWS has to tell you which cells are populated but they don’t help me as I think very spatially and to see what’s at the far right of a spreadsheet, it’s more difficult for me to conceptualize it when I had to press down arrow to get there.

I’ve gotten fairly quick at the above steps and I can typicaly pick up how big a large spreadsheet is in about 10-15 seconds. It’s probably not as fast as a sighted person can get that information by just looking at the screen but it works for me.

Once I’ve gotten my boundaries I begin looking at how they have it laid out. Where are column and row headers, formulas, inserted data and so on.

Again, there are other methods and keystrokes that JAWS has of getting this information but if you’re one who needs to think spatially by pressing the arrow keys with control, this method has worked for me.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike

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