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moderated Re: One drive

Tom Behler
 

I thought you might be able to determine this via the usual alt enter command for properties.

 

However, I just tried it, and the command doesn’t give the needed information.

 

Am now curious myself.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 1:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: One drive

 

How can a person determine how much space is remaining using One Drive.

 

Steve


moderated Which version of Microsoft Teams works better with JAWS?

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

 

I’ve had a bad experience with the Microsoft Teams app, and was wondering if the web one is better? At least this time I have the keyboard shortcuts, so that’ll help no matter which one I use.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin and Jilly


moderated Re: gmail folder pain question

Madison Martin
 

That doesn't seem to work...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: April 16, 2021 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail folder pain question

If you are using the standard view (where j/k move up/down the list of messages), then pressing the left arrow button while in the list of messages should bring up the folder list.
I’m not sure how this is done in the HTML view.


On Apr 16, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how to maximize my folder pain on the gmail website
and have it stay that way? I'm trying to do something but it's not
showing up and someone on another list (which clearly isn't for screen
reader users) suggested that I maximize my folder pain. I'm using latest Jaws and Edge. Thanks
Madison






moderated Logitech K860 Wireless Ergonomic keyboard for computers and smart phones

Richard Turner
 

Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

 

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go back to an ergonomic keyboard.

So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better ergonomic keyboards.

 

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.

Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.

I'll start with the negatives.

 

Cons:

1.  No applications key.

2.  Only one Windows key on the left.

3.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.

4.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.

5.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the ergonomics of the thing.

6.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

 

Pros:

1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for feet in the back.

2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.

3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.

4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.

5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.

6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.

The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making it a 9 pack.

It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing this in Word on my computer.

7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.

8.  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it would also be a pro.

 

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout that involves the missing or extra keys.

 

ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the top left key:

Escape

F1

f2

f3

f4

f5

f6

f7

f8

f9

f10

f11

f12

The Function Toggle

Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.

Device 1

Device 2

Device 3

Calculator key

Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't identify).

I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.

  Scroll lock key, with another symbol but the letters SC on it.

Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.

* Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace key.

 

The first row where the space bar is located is laid out like this:

Control Key

Windows/Options Key

Alt/Command Key

Spacebar with the split in the middle

Alt/Command Key

Function key, which also seems to have the word Options, probably for Mac usage.

Control Key

Then your standard arrow keys followed by the standard numpad.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: gmail folder pain question

Cohn, Jonathan
 

If you are using the standard view (where j/k move up/down the list of messages), then pressing the left arrow button while in the list of messages should bring up the folder list.
I’m not sure how this is done in the HTML view.

On Apr 16, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how to maximize my folder pain on the gmail website and have
it stay that way? I'm trying to do something but it's not showing up and someone
on another list (which clearly isn't for screen reader users) suggested that I
maximize my folder pain. I'm using latest Jaws and Edge. Thanks
Madison






moderated Re: Jeff: trying to subscribe to the programming list

Mario
 

if the address Jaffar posted didn't work, try:

program-l-request@freelists.org

Put "subscribe" in the subject line.
Reply to the confirmation message by clicking on the link in the e-mail you'll get. Check the boxes on the page that comes up, and you'good to go to being able to ask questions.

On 4/16/2021 4:25 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi.  Pardon my carelessness.  The subscription address should be:
program-l+subscribe@freelists.org
Try and let me know if it works.  Cheers!
On 17/4/2021 4:20 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hi List,

Someone suggested to subscribe to the programming list. I have the e-mail address below,

program-l@freelists.org <mailto:program-l@freelists.org>

Do I need to do anything special to get signed up to this list

Anyone know lists for website design, building, and accessibility testing?

Thanks,

Jeff


moderated Re: [External] : VPN

Don Mauck
 

What VPN program are you using?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan McManomy via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 10:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: [External] : VPN

 

Hello does anyone know how to make a VPN using jaws?

thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


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moderated VPN

Ryan McManomy
 

Hello does anyone know how to make a VPN using jaws?

thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 




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moderated Outlook Calendar over flow

Don Mauck
 

Hi, I’ve had this issue with my calendar where if I have more than two events on a certain day, I get the following message from JAWS and I cannot get to the next appointment for that day.

Message:  Overflow Button navigates to: Tuesday, April 27, 2021, from 12:00am to Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:00am

I’m using Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.12527.21504 any suggestions would be appreciated.


moderated Re: Jeff: trying to subscribe to the programming list

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Pardon my carelessness.  The subscription address should be:

program-l+subscribe@...

Try and let me know if it works.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 4:20 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hi List,

Someone suggested to subscribe to the programming list. I have the e-mail address below,

program-l@...

Do I need to do anything special to get signed up to this list

Anyone know lists for website design, building, and accessibility testing?

Thanks,

Jeff

 


moderated Re: Is visual studio accessible?

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi Anne.  Visual studio is definitely accessible.  however, the only edition of visual studio that is free is the community edition.  Visual studio itself is an IDE which stands for Integrated Development Environment.  If your student wants to learn c/c++, then he/she will have to choose the c/c++ compiler and tools as part of the visual studio download because they don't come with the visual studio download automatically.  Feel free to ask if there are more questions.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 3:59 am, Ann Byrne wrote:

My student wants to study programming.  can he expect to be able to use visual c++?  Is that the same as visual studio?  Is the latter accessible?  Is it still possible for a blink to program?  In which languages?

thanks,

Ann





moderated Jeff: trying to subscribe to the programming list

Jeff Lukacsena
 

Hi List,

Someone suggested to subscribe to the programming list. I have the e-mail address below,

program-l@...

Do I need to do anything special to get signed up to this list

Anyone know lists for website design, building, and accessibility testing?

Thanks,

Jeff

 


moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Thanks, I think I will join.  I do use puTTY and WinSCP, but do run into issues from time to time.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 4:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

 

I would.  There are people in there   who are qualified and able to help you.  If you are remoting into a linux system with windows, you could use a SSH client.  Putty is a good windows to Linux SSH client.  I am sure there are a few more, but I don't specialize in this, so can't be of much help to you.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 3:48 am, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:

Jaffar,

 

Would you recommend this list for someone in my situation, where most of the issues I encounter relate to using JAWS with remote servers?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

 

Might I recommend you to join the program-l@... programming list?

we are a group of blind and low vision programmers from over the world, helping each other to answer questions and gather programming resources to upgrade our skills and knowledge.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 2:45 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hello List,

Just curious if there are any computer programmers, website design, accessibility testers, or coders on this list.

I’m looking for resources to learn. Please share.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

Jaffar Sidek
 

I would.  There are people in there   who are qualified and able to help you.  If you are remoting into a linux system with windows, you could use a SSH client.  Putty is a good windows to Linux SSH client.  I am sure there are a few more, but I don't specialize in this, so can't be of much help to you.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 3:48 am, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:

Jaffar,

 

Would you recommend this list for someone in my situation, where most of the issues I encounter relate to using JAWS with remote servers?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

 

Might I recommend you to join the program-l@... programming list?

we are a group of blind and low vision programmers from over the world, helping each other to answer questions and gather programming resources to upgrade our skills and knowledge.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 2:45 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hello List,

Just curious if there are any computer programmers, website design, accessibility testers, or coders on this list.

I’m looking for resources to learn. Please share.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Is visual studio accessible?

Soronel Haetir
 

Visual studio is very accessible (and has been for years), though it
may well be confusing to the novice programmer simply due to the
number and kinds of options the interface presents.

On 4/16/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My student wants to study programming. can he expect to be able to
use visual c++? Is that the same as visual studio? Is the latter
accessible? Is it still possible for a blink to program? In which
languages?

thanks,

Ann






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moderated Re: Is visual studio accessible?

Chris Hill
 

Visual Studio is accessible to a large extent.  Easy to use, not really.  Programming for the blind is definitely possible, but a lot of it is visual, and getting hired has always been the trick part.

On 4/16/2021 14:59, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student wants to study programming.  can he expect to be able to use visual c++?  Is that the same as visual studio?  Is the latter accessible?  Is it still possible for a blink to program?  In which languages?

thanks,

Ann





moderated Is visual studio accessible?

Ann Byrne
 

My student wants to study programming. can he expect to be able to use visual c++? Is that the same as visual studio? Is the latter accessible? Is it still possible for a blink to program? In which languages?

thanks,

Ann


moderated Re: create a system image.

James Bentley
 

Hi Dave,

 

*Dave said in part:

When you use the I F W restore utility in a Talking Windows Preinstall Environment, the window with all the options I mentioned in my previous message, plus, all the other options, are displayed in a list box, in its own window, and you can use the UP and DOWN arrow keys to highlight each option, and tap the SPACE BAR, to check or uncheck each item.

 

Dave, I apparently misunderstood your post.

 

I was under the impression that you was without any back and recovery options that are user friendly to the visually impaired.

 

I now see that you have a workable solution.  Of course, experiment and have fun with IFW all that you want.

 

Cheers,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hello James:

 

When I got to the window with the "Start" button in it, I did not use the JAWS cursur to navigate the screen. I will use the I F W boot disk again, and this time, I will do what you suggest, and report back.

 

Yes I did select an existing image backup to restore from my external USB drive. I went through all the prompts, right up to the "Start" button, which, if I had pressed it, the restoration process would have started, and it would have overwritten the existing partitions on the system drive, which I did not want to happen.

 

When you use the I F W restore utility in a Talking Windows Preinstall Environment, the window with all the options I mentioned in my previous message, plus, all the other options, are displayed in a list box, in its own window, and you can use the UP and DOWN arrow keys to highlight each option, and tap the SPACE BAR, to check or uncheck each item.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hello Dave,

 

I’m glad that you got a chance to experiment with IFW.  But, if you are using a tried and true method of restoring your system after a possible catastrophic  failure  then it sounds like you already have all that you need.

 

However, It seems to me that since you did not test IFW in a real life situation IFW may never have got a chance to display some of the items in its menus that you say are missing.

 

Or, when you got to the place where the window was missing, Root Jaws to PC and arrow down and see the settings that you missed.  Hit the space bar on every thing that you want to check.  I always select byte by byte verification.

 

Features like swiping the drive before writing to the disk begins,  a completion alarm and turning off the PC when restoration has been finished and much much more are all right there when using Jaws.

 

I have used IFW for several years now for making image backups and doing image restorations.

 

Every single one of the items that you are concerned about are absolutely there.  Did you have a previously created IFW image for example, on a USB drive available for restoration?  Maybe IFW needed to see that.

 

Do you have access to a spare not important PC for an actual complete trial run?

 

Sorry for all of the questions but I was originally under the impression that you did not have a working solution for making and restoring your backed up images.  If you have a tried and true working method  that your are comfortable with, then that might be your best bet.

 

You take care,  and the best of luck,

 

James B 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

The computer I am using is running the latest version of Windows 10, with the latest updates, JAWS 2021.

 

Following your last post, I used the I F W create recovery boot disk. I chose to save the .ISO file to the route folder of drive J. I use Power ISO, to load the files onto a thumb drive. I plugged the thumb drive into my laptop and press the power button, and waited. After about 3 minutes, I pressed CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator., and sure enough, the program was launched and  started in the usual window.

 

I launched Image for Windows, and tabbed to the list of options and chose "restore". I tapped the DOWN ARROW, until the Normal restore function was selected. I then selected the drive and path to where the backup file I wanted to use was located. I then selected all the partitions on the drive. As the system drive is the only internal drive, it was chosen by default. I was then presented with the Start button, to begin the restoration of the image, to the C drive. As I did not wish to overwrite the current version of the Windows operating system, I closed the program.

 

This is all well and good, if you are prepared to accept all the settings which have been predetermined by the manufacturer, and which, in all probability,, will be perfectly satisfactory for most users, however, there is a very important window, which is left out, when you use the I F W create recovery boot disk, that is, the window, which contains many very important options, such as verifying the image before it is restored; verifying the image byte-for-byte before  the image is restored; wiping free space after the image has been restored; restarting the computer when the restoration process has been completed successfully; etc. This window is displayed immediately before the window which contains the "Start" button which starts the restore process.

 

When you use the I F W Restore utility within Windows or, you use the utility within a session using a Talking Windows Preinstall Environment, the windows I mentioned toward the end of the previous paragraph, is displayed.

 

The I F W create recovery boot disk is a very good way to restore an image but, for me, the exclusion of the options window, is a distinct disadvantage, so I think I will stay with the tried and tested method that I have always used, to restore a system image backup to a computer's system drive.

 

Image for Windows, is very accessible, using Narrator.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 1:08 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hello Dave,

 

No, I did not have to do any thing to put Narrator on the boot disk.

 

As I remember, after booting up off of the boot disk, you turn Narrator on exactly the same way that you do with Windows.

 

 

Control+Windows Key+Enter.

 

And in my case, I use a USB thumb drive instead of a disk on two different Windows10 laptops.

 

When I purchased Image for Windows, years ago, I was told that it could be used on five PC’s.

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

When you used the I F W create recovery boot disk, did you have to check a check box, to include NVDA to start, during the utilities boot process?

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hello Dave,

 

I wasn’t even aware that an IFW PE existed.  I do not see that in my version of IFW but there is so much stuff there, I do not doubt it.

 

But, in my post, I was referring to the IFW create recovery boot disk.  This comes with the Image for Windows software.  This is not a WinPE.  It is however, a utility, more specifically, a recovery utility that came with my IFW.  It absolutely does include Narrator which allows a blind person to do a complete image restore without a Win10PE or any other utilities or software.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA  and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Jaffar,

 

Would you recommend this list for someone in my situation, where most of the issues I encounter relate to using JAWS with remote servers?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

 

Might I recommend you to join the program-l@... programming list?

we are a group of blind and low vision programmers from over the world, helping each other to answer questions and gather programming resources to upgrade our skills and knowledge.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 2:45 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hello List,

Just curious if there are any computer programmers, website design, accessibility testers, or coders on this list.

I’m looking for resources to learn. Please share.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: any programmers or website designers or coders on this list

Jaffar Sidek
 

Might I recommend you to join the program-l@... programming list?

we are a group of blind and low vision programmers from over the world, helping each other to answer questions and gather programming resources to upgrade our skills and knowledge.  Cheers!

On 17/4/2021 2:45 am, Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

Hello List,

Just curious if there are any computer programmers, website design, accessibility testers, or coders on this list.

I’m looking for resources to learn. Please share.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 

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