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moderated Re: help changing my password

Mario
 

are you using Windows 10 or 7?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Amir Shah [mailto:4amir.shah@gmail.com]
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 12, 2021, 3:07 PM
Subject: help changing my password
hi my name is amir shah, can somebody help refreshing my memory how do I
change the password on the computer with jaws 2021 thanks.


moderated help changing my password

Amir Shah
 

hi my name is amir shah, can somebody help refreshing my memory how do I change the password on the computer with jaws 2021 thanks.


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

JM Casey
 

If you have adobe acrobat pro and use its OCR feature, I find that works really well, though the process tends to cause the computer to become unresponsive while it is working.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: March 12, 2021 07:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

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      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

James,

I don’t know that there are any particular tricks with poorly designed PDF files.

If you have a PDF where Jaws stops reading after a page, you could try the page down command which may tell you the author locked it into 1 page at a time, though I guess you could check the reading settings.

If I just need to read the information, I will also try importing it into Word.

The reality is there are still lots of very badly designed PDF files and other than just coping with it, contact the author and letting them know it needs to be made screen reader accessible is about all you can do.

Sometimes, that even works.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 4:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

--

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

Jim

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Scott Pearl
 

Brian,

This is a good resource, thank you. Do you know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR? Are there advantages?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

There are still scads of image scanned PDFs out there that are unlikely to be OCR converted by the people sending them around.

See my post from 2018 on the NVDA Group entitled:  Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs

The advice still stands and the steps are screen reader agnostic, as the shortcuts involved are for PDF-Xchange Viewer.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

Have you tried using Google chrome to open your pdf’s.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Jasmine Kotsay
 

You may want to try Abbyy Fine Reader

On Mar 11, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:



Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

--

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

--

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

 

If you have the most current version of JAWS, the OCR feature is probably the best thing for quick and fast reading of PDF‘s.

 

You can find find information on the Freedom Scientific website on how to use the OCR in JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

--

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


moderated Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

--
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moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mario
 

oh yes, I understand now.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 9:47 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi Mario,

If you look in the address bar of your browser you can see your URL address. Sometimes the URL begins with "http" (= Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or "https" (HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure). If you see the "https" your connection between the site and your browser is secure that means it's encrypted.

This is important if you want to send some data to the web and don't want others to read them.

I think Freedom Scientific combined the announcement of the secure state to forms mode because if there's a form you might send the data in the web. Therefore it's good to know. Unluckily there's no announcement if you use the sound and this is the reason I changed this and added the script so you can get this information by pressing a hot key.

Udo


Am 11.03.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>:

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo













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moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Anita, 

to change the setting, either hearing sounds or let JAWS speak forms mode, you can do this steps: 

  • Press JAWS+6 to open Settings Manager
  • type the word "sound"
  • Use cursor down key till you hear "Enable Sound Notifications"
  • Press space key to check or uncheck this setting 
  • Leave the dialog by pressing OK button 

Hope this helps, good luck 
Udo 

Am 11.03.2021 um 14:03 schrieb Anita <braille775@...>:

Hi, 
How does one modify settings for Forms Node? I am still new to Jfw.
Thanks,
Anita


On Feb 28, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Laura Shumate <snowflake122188@...> wrote:

Hi there,
If you go into Forms Mode and then hit escape it will say forms mode
off and then If the Auto Forms Mode setting is set, you will hear the
Tones if your setting for the speech Dpesm't say it is on or off the
tones do help.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@...







moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mario,

If you look in the address bar of your browser you can see your URL address. Sometimes the URL begins with "http" (= Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or "https" (HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure). If you see the "https" your connection between the site and your browser is secure that means it's encrypted.

This is important if you want to send some data to the web and don't want others to read them.

I think Freedom Scientific combined the announcement of the secure state to forms mode because if there's a form you might send the data in the web. Therefore it's good to know. Unluckily there's no announcement if you use the sound and this is the reason I changed this and added the script so you can get this information by pressing a hot key.

Udo

Am 11.03.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>:

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo







moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Anita
 

Hi, 
How does one modify settings for Forms Node? I am still new to Jfw.
Thanks,
Anita


On Feb 28, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Laura Shumate <snowflake122188@...> wrote:

Hi there,
If you go into Forms Mode and then hit escape it will say forms mode
off and then If the Auto Forms Mode setting is set, you will hear the
Tones if your setting for the speech Dpesm't say it is on or off the
tones do help.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@...






moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mario
 

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all, 

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound feedback on forms mode. 

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk: 


Have fun
Udo 

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