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moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Mark
 

Hi Glenn and Bill,

Caps + L did improve things. Thank you. However, I don't think it's repeating the Tutor and Message Voice, which is sometimes helpful to hear a second or third time. Does JAWS have a reputation for having a reasonable logic amidst its apparent inconsistencies? 

Sincerely,

Mark


moderated Re: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

Mark
 

Hello David. Yes, I can install Voice Profiles.  I've made a new one called Evening Reading. Thank you. I'll also set up a new Speech and Sound scheme.
I don't really have a good grasp of the synthesizers or how they are different from the Voices that we can download. Can you tell me about that?


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Mark Fisher
 



Hi

When you first enter the workbook, you can use JAWS Key+F1 to provide some basic information about what is in each tab such as the amount of cells with data, size of the data ranges and any JAWS customising that has been done on the spreadsheet. You can move between the tabs and execute this command in each tab. Whilst not ideal, it gives you a starting point.

A good practice to get into and to advise others to do is to create a Notes tab at the front of the workbook to describe what's in the workbook and each tab especially if its a complicated workbook. This also helps when others are trying to follow the steps of what people have done to create the workbook. I use this to describe briefly what's in each tab and also where the data came from. It may take a few minutes longer when setting up the workbook but makes everything easier for people coming into the workbook for the first time whether they can see or not.

Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated Re: Beta

Mike B
 

Hi Pastor Gil,
 
After you...
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
Now use first letter navigation, press the letter, T, 2 or 3 times and you should land on the Table grid checkbox.
 
Now tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, then tab to, apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, okay, press enter to save / close.
 
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:44 AM
Subject: Beta

Hi Mike,

I couldn''t find table grid check box.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Dropbox Password Manager

 

I haven't tried the Dropbox password manager which is available to those with Dropbox Plus accounts. I'd recommend you try KeePass and KeePass Touch for iOS which you can have for a combined investment of 99 cents. I'm sure you can import your 1Password entries into KeePass.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:17:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Dropbox Password Manager
 
Has anyone tried the new password manager from Dropbox yet and if so is it accessible with JAWS? If it has worked well with JAWS do you know how well it works with Voiceover on an IOS device? I realize my second question is off topic but right now I’m paying for both Dropbox Plus and the 1Password password manager and I wouldn’t mind dropping 1Password.


moderated Beta

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Hi Mike,

I couldn''t find table grid check box.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Jim Fettgather
 

I would use the jaws command
Control shift D to place all the cells  with data in a list.

Sent from my jPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Excel and JAWS Question

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

David Griffith
 

Yes this is easily done as long as you have set up the Profiles.

Simply press Jaws Keys plus control and S for speech profile and you can cursor down the list of available profiles and press enter on the one you want.

 

Shout back if you need help setting up the Profiles. In my view Jaws should do this automatically for each voice installed but  will not do so. You will get the option to change to each main synthetiser group automatically but you will have to save a profile for say each Vocaliser Expressive voice in Jaws separately if you want it to appear in the list with this keystroke. This is tedious to set up but pretty straightforward when you know how.

 

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mark
Sent: 18 September 2020 10:17
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

 

Does anyone have experiences with changing JAWS voices or voice profile according to your mood? For example, reading in the evening it might be nicer to have an evening voice profile with softer tones and slower speed. I imagine the same could apply between switching things up to read a poem versus a work email. Perhaps it also requires having a custom Speech and Sound Scheme for each mood too.  I'm not sure how best to approach that, or even if others have been down this same road. It would be ideal to switch things for moods with only a couple of keyboard commands.

 


moderated Beta

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Thanks Mike.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Beta

Maria Campbell
 

You could merge your settings from one version to another.  That way you could keep your previous settings in the next version. 


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On 9/18/2020 1:31 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Pastor Gil,
 
I don't run Outlook, but this is something to try that has worked for others.
 
 Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.  Insert + 6, on the number row for Settings Center and press, Control, Shift + D, for Settings Center default all applications.
 
 Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.
 
 
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
 
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, or use first letter navigation, and uncheck this.
 
Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Beta

Well, in Outlook if there is a group of messages, JAWS starts at the bottom of the list instead of at the top.

When I am on the desk top, jaws says selected and then unselected over and over.

Also in Outlook when I am in my inbox Jaws says table view.  It never did that before.

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Beta

 

Can you share with the group why?

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Beta

 

I have gone back to Jaws 2020 until the next beta comes out.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Express-Scripts website to refill prescriptions

Van Lant, Robin
 

Anyone else an Express-Scripts user for prescriptions?  I have refilled on their website before, but they redesigned it since my last refill and now I cannot get to where I need to refill.  It appears (from

the bit of remaining vision I have) that they have made it like tabs across the page and I think I see drop down arrows that expand when you click on the tab. JAWS read the tabs as buttons and says menu expanded, but it also goes into forms mode and then I cannot navigate I tried using the JAWS cursor and I’m not sure if it did anything or not.  Also, even when it says an in-page link for available refills, I cannot find anything refreshing in the main area to show my prescriptions.  So frustrated.  I filled in a complaint on the feedback form, but wondering if anyone else is a user and can test it, too. 

 

I am using latest JAWS 202 and Google Chrome.

 

I guess I’ll call an AIRA agent to help me navigate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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moderated Dropbox Password Manager

Phillip Gross
 

Has anyone tried the new password manager from Dropbox yet and if so is it accessible with JAWS? If it has worked well with JAWS do you know how well it works with Voiceover on an IOS device? I realize my second question is off topic but right now I’m paying for both Dropbox Plus and the 1Password password manager and I wouldn’t mind dropping 1Password.


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Glenn / Lenny
 


I've used that in a combo box many times.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Hi, Glenn. These commands will repeat a line, but they won't repeat the label for a combo box or the descriptive text for an edit box, which is what Mark was looking for.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

 

Does not say word or say line not work?

These are the oldest of Jaws commands.

Using the insert pad, it is insert + 5 or insert + 8.

Or if using laptop layout, caps lock K or I.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:56 AM

Subject: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

 

Is there a keyboard command to have the PC Cursor repeat itself?  With the Virtual PC cursor, there are reading commands that repeat the same line or word, like JAWS + H.  But sometimes I don't quite hear what the PC cursors is saying, like when describing an interface element, like a combo box.  My only strategy at this point is to tab away and then tab back. But it feels like there should be a single command to repeat what was said.


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Bill White
 

Hi, Glenn. These commands will repeat a line, but they won't repeat the label for a combo box or the descriptive text for an edit box, which is what Mark was looking for.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

 

Does not say word or say line not work?

These are the oldest of Jaws commands.

Using the insert pad, it is insert + 5 or insert + 8.

Or if using laptop layout, caps lock K or I.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:56 AM

Subject: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

 

Is there a keyboard command to have the PC Cursor repeat itself?  With the Virtual PC cursor, there are reading commands that repeat the same line or word, like JAWS + H.  But sometimes I don't quite hear what the PC cursors is saying, like when describing an interface element, like a combo box.  My only strategy at this point is to tab away and then tab back. But it feels like there should be a single command to repeat what was said.


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Glenn / Lenny
 


Does not say word or say line not work?
These are the oldest of Jaws commands.
Using the insert pad, it is insert + 5 or insert + 8.
Or if using laptop layout, caps lock K or I.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:56 AM
Subject: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Is there a keyboard command to have the PC Cursor repeat itself?  With the Virtual PC cursor, there are reading commands that repeat the same line or word, like JAWS + H.  But sometimes I don't quite hear what the PC cursors is saying, like when describing an interface element, like a combo box.  My only strategy at this point is to tab away and then tab back. But it feels like there should be a single command to repeat what was said.


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Mike B
 


You can also use Jaws speech history.  Press the layered keystroke Jaws Key+Spacebar followed by, H, for, History, to read any error messages or any other messages that the Jaws might have read and you didn't quite catch.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

I think that the closest thing that we have to a command to speak the last utterance is the insert-tab hotkey. In many cases this keystroke may do what you want. In situations where it does not you can press insert-space, followed by the letter H to bring up the speech history.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 9/18/2020 4:56 AM, Mark wrote:
Is there a keyboard command to have the PC Cursor repeat itself?  With the Virtual PC cursor, there are reading commands that repeat the same line or word, like JAWS + H.  But sometimes I don't quite hear what the PC cursors is saying, like when describing an interface element, like a combo box.  My only strategy at this point is to tab away and then tab back. But it feels like there should be a single command to repeat what was said.


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

David Goldfield
 

I think that the closest thing that we have to a command to speak the last utterance is the insert-tab hotkey. In many cases this keystroke may do what you want. In situations where it does not you can press insert-space, followed by the letter H to bring up the speech history.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 9/18/2020 4:56 AM, Mark wrote:

Is there a keyboard command to have the PC Cursor repeat itself?  With the Virtual PC cursor, there are reading commands that repeat the same line or word, like JAWS + H.  But sometimes I don't quite hear what the PC cursors is saying, like when describing an interface element, like a combo box.  My only strategy at this point is to tab away and then tab back. But it feels like there should be a single command to repeat what was said.


moderated Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Kevin Minor
 

Hi Steve.

I installed the Vocalizer that you listed in your message, but I don't know how to get JAWS to detect the three voices I installed.

Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi John,

Disclaimer: We do sell it, but I do know it will do what you want.

Here's a link to the seven day trial. If you then want to buy it, hit the Buy link from inside the app itself:-

https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.comproom.co.uk%2Fdownloads%2FVocalizerForWindows_ComputerRoom-Setup.exe&;amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce2bd1118fca04f71a72908d85bb28ebd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637360169736355722&amp;sdata=fwvdIlR9nxlnvtDpfzHrcasN%2FjO%2FJIHXS34ltyQwaiU%3D&amp;reserved=0

I hope this helps.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 17 September 2020 09:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I want it to read exactly as it is, I am a human and I can actually convert!! And I still get abreviations even though I have them off in Jaws, so how do I turn them off in Vocalizer -- do I need their driver and where do I get it if so?


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 03:48:42 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

Dates is a different matter.

Tom is a US synth, so it is going to read dates in US style. For example, 11/09 is the 11th of September in the UK, but would be read by Tom as the 9th of November.

Note: it is only the US that have dates upside down. 😊

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 16 September 2020 20:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

And you should see what Tom does with dates! Its awful and there is no dictionary entry that would solve it.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:56:29 -0400,
Richard Turner wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] All I can say now is
that the Tom voice does not say good.
I loaded Nathan to check, and yes, Nathan says good.
If entering gd in the dictionary and then g d with a space between them in the replacement doesn't work, then it is the Nathan voice being stubborn and not honoring the Jaws setting.



Richard
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm using the Nathan Compact voice.

Oh well, it is what it is, but it's annoying.

Kevin and Jilly

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I'm taking back everything I said on this topic.
Kevin, my Vocalizer Tom Enhanced speaks your example perfectly as g d not good.

Which voice are you using exactly?

And, I have actually never heard Grahams mail for gmail.



Richard
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pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm encountering an issue with Vocalizer and JAWS. It's substituting what it thinks something should be, and it's wrong. Let me illustrate.

There is a ham radio called the GD-77. Vocalizer says it's the good 77, and that's not right. The letters should be spelled out. I tried to do a dictionary entry for the word, but it didn't work. I also never knew Google had a service called grams mail. This is annoying, and because of it I'm back to good old Eloquence. I prefer Vocalizer's speech, but not with all the so-called "helpful" abbreviation conversions.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin and Jilly






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moderated Switching voice profiles according to your mood

Mark
 

Does anyone have experiences with changing JAWS voices or voice profile according to your mood? For example, reading in the evening it might be nicer to have an evening voice profile with softer tones and slower speed. I imagine the same could apply between switching things up to read a poem versus a work email. Perhaps it also requires having a custom Speech and Sound Scheme for each mood too.  I'm not sure how best to approach that, or even if others have been down this same road. It would be ideal to switch things for moods with only a couple of keyboard commands.

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