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Re: Most effective OCR route

Kelly Pierce
 

Dear Rahul,

I have the current version of k1000. I used to have Open Book and
then the company that owned it stopped upgrading the OCR engines. I
had scanned a book with extensive footnotes and none of the footnote
numbers appeared in the text. With the current versions of FineReader
and OmniPage found in k1000, the footnotes are scanned and recognized
without any problem. The only way to know the answer to your question
is to run sample documents through the OCR conversion and see the
results for yourself. Feel free to send me a sample file at my private
e-mail address at KKellyP@Gmail.com to run it through the OCR
conversion and I will e-mail it back to you.

Kelly

On 11/17/17, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. I am a blind lawyer. I use JAWS
16, Windows 10 and Office 10/16.

I use FineReader 11 for the purpose of converting inaccessible PDF
documents into word. While some portion of the converted text is
clear, I often find that the first few pages and minute details like
clause numbers/dates aren't clear. One common problem that I observe
is that in the definitions clause, a lot of the content gets jumbled
up in the word version in such a way that it is difficult to figure
out which definition corresponds to which term.
Would upgrading to Fine Reader 14 help here, or are there other tools
that I should explore?

I am familiar with the JAWS OCR function and RoboBraille but haven't
found these to be significantly different from Fine Reader 11. So is
this just the best that OCR technology currently has to offer, or are
there ways of making conversion results better?

Best,
Rahul




Re: Most effective OCR route

Don H
 

I use Open Book and it works pretty well. Only issue is that FS hasn't updated it for years so the latest OCR engines are not being used. Jaws 2018 has a built in OCR function that I haven't used much to know if it works well or not.


Re: Most effective OCR route

Pablo Morales
 

I work a lot with OCRs, and the best for me is Kurzweil. This software offers several features more than OCR, so it is more powerful than fine reader.
However it is my personal opinion, as well the rest of answers that you are going to receive are opinions of users with different technologies, different needs, and different type of documents to be scanned.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Most effective OCR route

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. I am a blind lawyer. I use JAWS 16, Windows 10 and Office 10/16.

I use FineReader 11 for the purpose of converting inaccessible PDF documents into word. While some portion of the converted text is clear, I often find that the first few pages and minute details like clause numbers/dates aren't clear. One common problem that I observe is that in the definitions clause, a lot of the content gets jumbled up in the word version in such a way that it is difficult to figure out which definition corresponds to which term.
Would upgrading to Fine Reader 14 help here, or are there other tools that I should explore?

I am familiar with the JAWS OCR function and RoboBraille but haven't found these to be significantly different from Fine Reader 11. So is this just the best that OCR technology currently has to offer, or are there ways of making conversion results better?

Best,
Rahul


Re: Most effective OCR route

 

Rahul,

          If you do not require the final result be in MS-Word format I at least have a suggestion.

          There is a company called Tracker Software that has a legacy product, still downloadable, called PDF-XChange Viewer.  It is the first program on their Discontinued Downloads Page (and by discontinued they mean they're no longer actively developing it, but it's there for download).

           I have found the OCR capability of PDF-XChange Viewer to be very, very good and it includes English, Spanish, German, and (I think) French, as part of the basic install package.   It is available at no cost.    It is also not accessible on the whole, but the OCR function can be easily accessed with a screen reader of your choice.  I wrote up step-by-step instructions for using the OCR function of this software on image PDFs or even previously OCR-ed PDFs where the OCR isn't great.  Here is a cut and paste of those instructions:
------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1.     Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2.     Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3.     Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4.     Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5.     Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6.     Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7.     Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8.     Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9.     Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10.                        Hit Enter to open the file or folder.  If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11.  Otherwise, do the following

a.     If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b.     If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11.                        Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12.                        Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.  Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing.  The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed.  JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes.  That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13.                        Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14.                        Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.

------------------
  
The resulting file should be read in Adobe Reader or whichever PDF reader software you prefer that you know to be accessible.

It is possible to change the accuracy level during the OCR process with a dropdown box, but I find their default of "Medium" works best.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Most effective OCR route

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. I am a blind lawyer. I use JAWS
16, Windows 10 and Office 10/16.

I use FineReader 11 for the purpose of converting inaccessible PDF
documents into word. While some portion of the converted text is
clear, I often find that the first few pages and minute details like
clause numbers/dates aren't clear. One common problem that I observe
is that in the definitions clause, a lot of the content gets jumbled
up in the word version in such a way that it is difficult to figure
out which definition corresponds to which term.
Would upgrading to Fine Reader 14 help here, or are there other tools
that I should explore?

I am familiar with the JAWS OCR function and RoboBraille but haven't
found these to be significantly different from Fine Reader 11. So is
this just the best that OCR technology currently has to offer, or are
there ways of making conversion results better?

Best,
Rahul


Re: Getting Jaws to read line Numbering in MS Word

Richard Turner
 


I do not know, but have you tried either calling VFO support or Microsoft Accessibility Support?
Microsoft's number is 800-936-5900

HTH,
Richard



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On Nov 17, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk@...> wrote:

Hello,

I asked this question a few months ago, but I'm trying again in a more
targeted fashion in hopes of getting an answer.

I have jaws 18, Windows 7, and Word 2010.

I work in a field that frequently requires documents to have
continuous line numbering turned on in word. Staff will often
communicate ideas about shared documents by referencing particular
line numbers in the document. I can use insert+delete to tell me the
line number of the **page**, but I cannot figure out how to get jaws
to tell me the number of the line with respect to the entire document.
Note, I know that I can use the "go to" function to go to a particular
line number, but I also need to be able to extract the information to
communicate with other people about my own ideas.

I also have a Braille display. I have status cells turned off, and I
have tried playing with turning them on to see if that would give me
the information, but that doesn't seem to be working. Any assistance
is greatly appreciated.

Laura




Re: Contact

Jonas Voll
 

I was not able to get OneDrive Working was you able to sett it up using Jaws?
I have an Microsoft account!
Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
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2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

If you use either Dropbox or OneDrive then the easiest way is to enable screenshots in one of those services. Then simply pressing PrintScreen will take a screenshot and save it to a folder of your choosing as a PNG file.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Contact

Hi good people:
I joined the group not too long ago, but I've not been posting.
I sent a post two days ago, wanting to know if anyone had solutions to the problem I am having with my web browser firefox and JAWS. From the responses I read to other people's posts, I learnt that the problem is a general problem. It is a problem that appears to defy solutions for now.
I have new issues, which I will like fellow members to please kindly help me address.
I am having problems with screenshots. When I do a screenshot of a web page using the print screen key on my laptop, and copy and paste it into the pint submenu, and subsequently send it, I am informed by the receipient that the screenshot is not visible. I've tried it several times, and the problem remains the same. I use firefox with it. I also use JAWS 16.
Please how can I fix this problem of screenshots not being visible.
What can I do to make the screenshots visible.
Added to this, does anyone use snagit from techsmith? how is it used to do a screenshot of a webpage.
Looking forward to reading from you chaps.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.







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Re: Contact

 

If you use either Dropbox or OneDrive then the easiest way is to enable screenshots in one of those services. Then simply pressing PrintScreen will take a screenshot and save it to a folder of your choosing as a PNG file.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Contact

Hi good people:
I joined the group not too long ago, but I've not been posting.
I sent a post two days ago, wanting to know if anyone had solutions to the problem I am having with my web browser firefox and JAWS. From the responses I read to other people's posts, I learnt that the problem is a general problem. It is a problem that appears to defy solutions for now.
I have new issues, which I will like fellow members to please kindly help me address.
I am having problems with screenshots. When I do a screenshot of a web page using the print screen key on my laptop, and copy and paste it into the pint submenu, and subsequently send it, I am informed by the receipient that the screenshot is not visible. I've tried it several times, and the problem remains the same. I use firefox with it. I also use JAWS 16.
Please how can I fix this problem of screenshots not being visible.
What can I do to make the screenshots visible.
Added to this, does anyone use snagit from techsmith? how is it used to do a screenshot of a webpage.
Looking forward to reading from you chaps.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.


Re: Reading the address field in Outlook 13

 

If it is a valid email address it is treated as a single item, but you can use the Jaws cursor and read letter by letter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danney Yates
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading the address field in Outlook 13

Hi everyone, I am using jaws 18 with Outlook 2013. I use the auto fill feature when I enter addresses and the “to “field. Why is it that I cannot read by character once I get that into the field? Is there a command I can use so that I can read by character. This would be helpful if I’m not certain how to spell a persons name. Thanks so much, as always, for any help.
Danny Yates

Sent from my iPhone


Reading the address field in Outlook 13

Danney Yates <dwyates1@...>
 

Hi everyone, I am using jaws 18 with Outlook 2013. I use the auto fill feature when I enter addresses and the “to “field. Why is it that I cannot read by character once I get that into the field? Is there a command I can use so that I can read by character. This would be helpful if I’m not certain how to spell a persons name. Thanks so much, as always, for any help.
Danny Yates

Sent from my iPhone


Getting Jaws to read line Numbering in MS Word

Laura Wolk
 

Hello,

I asked this question a few months ago, but I'm trying again in a more
targeted fashion in hopes of getting an answer.

I have jaws 18, Windows 7, and Word 2010.

I work in a field that frequently requires documents to have
continuous line numbering turned on in word. Staff will often
communicate ideas about shared documents by referencing particular
line numbers in the document. I can use insert+delete to tell me the
line number of the **page**, but I cannot figure out how to get jaws
to tell me the number of the line with respect to the entire document.
Note, I know that I can use the "go to" function to go to a particular
line number, but I also need to be able to extract the information to
communicate with other people about my own ideas.

I also have a Braille display. I have status cells turned off, and I
have tried playing with turning them on to see if that would give me
the information, but that doesn't seem to be working. Any assistance
is greatly appreciated.

Laura


Re: Jaws Stops Reading Word 2016 Document

Richard Turner
 

I have  both Jaws 18 and 2018 on my system running Windows 10 and Office 365 so I have Word 2016.

 

I couldn’t easily duplicate your issue.

 

It may depend on where a lot of factors.

Font size, speech synthesizer, and I don’t know what all.

 

If these are documents you wrote, maybe check which view you are using in Word.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed Culpepper
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws Stops Reading Word 2016 Document

 

Fellow Jawboners –

When attempting to write, read, or edit a document with MS Word 2016 Jaws 18 will stop reading as I use arrow keys to move through the text. I recently updated to Word 2016 from Word 2007. I did not have this problem with Word 2007. I am relatively new to using Jaws, having migrated from the trustworthy screen reader I had used for decades. Does anyone have an idea of what is causing Jaws to go silent or to read only intermittent characters with Word 2016? Do I need to alter some settings in order for Jaws 18 to read reliably with Word 2016? I have not yet updated to Jaws 2018. Will that update solve this problem?

Many thanks –

Ed Culpepper

Eculpepper1@...


Re: NVDA and Touch Screens

Chris
 

You should be able to double tap on a button or link to open it with or without nvda running

So i don’t know why it is not working for you

But there is a touch gesture add-on whether that will help you or not i not sure it would but give it a go

It is on the addon page

 

 

From: Andre
Sent: 16 November 2017 21:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT: NVDA and Touch Screens

 

I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:

 

Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just use the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on YouTube and I’m running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can’t just tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to completely quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that didn’t seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate the nvda touch gestures, etc.?

 

Hopefully you understand what I’m asking. If not, please let me know. By the way, I’m no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when I’m running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was WE 9.5.4. I’m trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that’s what it’s called. So is there a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I can do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes’ browse mode.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

 

 


Re: OT: NVDA and Touch Screens

Stephanie Switzer
 

I think there is an email list for Nvidia users. I can’t remember for the life of me what it is but you should be able to find it through Google. I don’t know a lot about NVDA but maybe that list can help you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Andre <stepserve@...> wrote:

I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:

 

Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just use the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on YouTube and I’m running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can’t just tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to completely quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that didn’t seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate the nvda touch gestures, etc.?

 

Hopefully you understand what I’m asking. If not, please let me know. By the way, I’m no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when I’m running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was WE 9.5.4. I’m trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that’s what it’s called. So is there a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I can do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes’ browse mode.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

 


OT: NVDA and Touch Screens

Andre
 

I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:

 

Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just use the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on YouTube and I’m running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can’t just tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to completely quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that didn’t seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate the nvda touch gestures, etc.?

 

Hopefully you understand what I’m asking. If not, please let me know. By the way, I’m no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when I’m running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was WE 9.5.4. I’m trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that’s what it’s called. So is there a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I can do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes’ browse mode.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

 


Additional Note Regarding Outlook Crashing When Entering E-mail Addresses Into A Blank E-mail

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

 

Yesterday, you may recall that I was told by Freedom Scientific Tech Support that the best way to solve the issue of Outlook Crashing when entering addresses into the “to” field of a new e-mail message was to put Outlook in safe mode.

 

This is continuing to work for me, although I must add that if you shut your computer down for any reason, you will have to go back into Outlook and put it back into safe mode once you have re-booted.

 

Apparently, the safe mode setting isn’t saved, as I have just discovered.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: excel formula

Ann Byrne
 

I think it should be:
sum(b20:b32)

Alt= is good if there are no blank cells; but it stops summing at a blank so I prefer to specify what I want.

Good luck!

At 11:44 AM 11/16/2017, you wrote:
Running excel 2007
Jaws 2018
Windows10
I
* place myself in to a cell. Â
* 2. Hit equal, to start formula.
* 3. Type “sum00[b20:b32] then hit enter.
* I always get an error message.
* The sum formula should be one of the easiest to do.
* What am I doing wrong?
Thankyou for all help
Mark F.


Re: excel formula

Richard Turner
 

arMark,
Drop the 00 and replace the brackets with parentheses, and your formula should work fine.

Richard


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There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

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On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Exactly, in fact if you want to sum up a range of cells it’s easiest to just go underneath or to the right of the cell range and then type Alt+= and enter.

Alt+= is the keyboard shortcut for the =sum function and if you have a range of cells above or to the left then as long as there are no blanks in it it will take the range automatically.

You can always go back and press F2 and review it afterwards or, if you want to say put the sum in A1 but the range you want to sum up is from B10 to B20 then just type Alt+= followed by B10:b20 and press enter.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: excel formula

 

Never heard of the function "SUM00". I just use SUM followed by the range enclosed in parenthesis, not brackets.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Furness

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 09:44

Subject: excel formula

 

Running excel 2007

Jaws 2018

Windows10

I

  1. place myself in to a cell.  
  2. 2. Hit equal, to start formula.
  3. 3. Type “sum00[b20:b32] then hit enter.
  4. I always get an error message.
  5. The sum formula should be one of the easiest  to do.
  6. What am I doing wrong?

Thankyou for all help

Mark F.

 


Re: Contact

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I believe you need to turn off the virtual cursor with JawsKey + Z for the screen shot to work.
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Contact

Hi good people:
I joined the group not too long ago, but I've not been posting.
I sent a post two days ago, wanting to know if anyone had solutions to the problem I am having with my web browser firefox and JAWS. From the responses I read to other people's posts, I learnt that the problem is a general problem. It is a problem that appears to defy solutions for now.
I have new issues, which I will like fellow members to please kindly help me address.
I am having problems with screenshots. When I do a screenshot of a web page using the print screen key on my laptop, and copy and paste it into the pint submenu, and subsequently send it, I am informed by the receipient that the screenshot is not visible. I've tried it several times, and the problem remains the same. I use firefox with it. I also use JAWS 16.
Please how can I fix this problem of screenshots not being visible.
What can I do to make the screenshots visible.
Added to this, does anyone use snagit from techsmith? how is it used to do a screenshot of a webpage.
Looking forward to reading from you chaps.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.


Contact

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
I joined the group not too long ago, but I've not been posting.
I sent a post two days ago, wanting to know if anyone had solutions to
the problem I am having with my web browser firefox and JAWS. From
the responses I read to other people's posts, I learnt that the
problem is a general problem. It is a problem that appears to defy
solutions for now.
I have new issues, which I will like fellow members to please kindly
help me address.
I am having problems with screenshots. When I do a screenshot of a
web page using the print screen key on my laptop, and copy and paste
it into the pint submenu, and subsequently send it, I am informed by
the receipient that the screenshot is not visible. I've tried it
several times, and the problem remains the same. I use firefox with
it. I also use JAWS 16.
Please how can I fix this problem of screenshots not being visible.
What can I do to make the screenshots visible.
Added to this, does anyone use snagit from techsmith? how is it used
to do a screenshot of a webpage.
Looking forward to reading from you chaps.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.