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Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I got 2013 when I bought my computer two and a half years ago. I am not sorry.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I know people think I did not do right by getting Office 365, but about the only thing I use Office for is some spreadsheet work and it works for printing labels. So, unless I come up with some very heavy reason for using Office, I feel the current upgrade from 2007 to 2016 should be adequate for some time. Thank you all for your feedback.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 12:00 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Sieghard,

When I purchased my subscription to Office 365, it was $69.95 for the first year, $59.95 after that. Perhaps that has changed and it's $59.95 for the first year. That would be a good thing. Definitely worth purchasing, as you get updates as they come out, and with the way Windows is being updated, that's the best way to go now, in my opinion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Carol,

Two things: the Windows Pro upgrade was unnecessary, makes not much sense unless you need to connect to domains. Second, I hope you got Office 365 which is the subscription based service. If you need it just for yourself it is I think $59.95 in the States and you just pay this every year and in turn you are always entitled to the latest Office downloads and as a bonus you get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage and 60 minutes of Skype calling to regular phone lines a month. The Skype calling may not be something you use, but if you bought 1 Tb of cloud storage from Dropbox it would cost you a lot more than the entire Office subscription.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I am getting used to Chrome. It crashes, but I have reached the point of saying it is more my PC than the program.

My new PC is ordered. It will have a 256 g SSD and a 2 t HDD. I have
gone overboard and purchased a PC with everything but the kitchen
sink, grin. It is a 6 core i-7 series 8 from Dell. There is 16 g ram
and I see no reason why I should have a slow machine after this.
Since I went this far, I went ahead and upgraded the Office to 2016
and decided to get Windows Pro, even though I might not need it. One
never knows...I might decided to set up a network at some point. (One
never knows about these things.)

Carol


On 11/26/2017 6:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Carol,

I think you'll find that web pages will load faster, although I'm certain the browser has something to do with that. Google Chrome is my browser of choice now. In my case, the SSD drive is built in, but it was on my other machine with 8 GV of RAM, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much. I was always told that if I had to make a choice between processor speed and memory, go for the extra memory.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol


On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
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Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one
that will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram
enough or should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA
frives? If I neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally,
which would be the best brand? I know this is a personal
choice. I have had Dells for the last two computers and am
wondering if something else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do
some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of
getting a new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a
hybred, a decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol






















Kelly, Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Hi Kelly,

Yes, I did put importance where I felt it was needed. I got the newest i7 available and lots of other features like 16 gb RAM, an SSD drive and a processor that will reach a speed of about 4.6. I know this is probably more computer than I might need now, but as time goes on, I am sure I will appreciate the extras I thought over now. Thank your for your suggestions, also.

Carol

On 11/24/2017 10:54 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
I have found that blind people fail to put a high importance on
processor choice. This is particularly so when multiple programs are
open with multiple windows of each program and you are also doing
processor intensive tasks, such as OCR conversion or converting files
from one format to another. It is important to buy an i7 processor of
the most recent Intel chip generation. Intel has a special process
known as hyper threading that allows a chip to process quickly
multiple tasks at the same time. You will not be disappointed with the
performance of these machines. Computer makers often include loads of
memory in the high performance machines.

You do not need a solid state drive but you might want one. Windows
and programs load very quickly and the responsiveness is incredible.
I specifically have one on my computer along with a regular terabyte
hard disc drive for keeping data files, such as my ripped music files.
All of the black Friday deals on computers are typically for mid-range
machines and I have never seen a high performance PC go on deep
discount after Thanksgiving. I bought my Dell computer on Christmas
Eve as a closeout. The store had two left, both display models. The
computer retailed for $1,800 and I paid $1,200 before Chicago’s
outrageously high sales tax was applied. High performance computers
are not cheap bargains. Few people are willing to pay for the
performance and computer companies have the pricing power in this
relatively small market.

Kelly




On 11/24/17, Tony <tony@k5twz.com> wrote:
My old Win 7 machine is a dual core I3 with a max of 8gb and a number of
hard drives. It runs Office 2010. I do internet, OCR, editing, and file
manipulations on it. I frequently have 20 or more windows open at a time.
I have installed a fast SSd for the boot drive and a second, smaller one for
a paging file.

I am able to do a lot of work on it but with 8GB ram, it gets both CPU and
memory bound and runs very slowly at times, sometimes crashing.

My new win 10 system has a quad core Xeon with 32GB ram, 1TB SSD and a
number of hard drives. I got an inexpensive copy of Office 2016 from one of
the blind vendors and the machine flys. The quad cores only help if I have
a number of CPU intensive programs running or am running a program that can
utilize multiple cores. I have a couple of programs that won't run on win
10, which has slowed my learning of the newer system a bit but I will
eventually use it for most everything.

My last several machines have been Dell. I know you can get more machine
for the buck elsewhere but I have been very happy with their service. My
new machine had a problem with the default sound device being switched
without notice and disappearing completely at times. A Dell tech spent
several days tracking down the intermittent problem. It turned out to be an
incorrect driver being loaded, problems with their automatic driver
updating, and finally a new motherboard and audio riser were installed.
While waiting on diagnostics to run she help me find some software I had
been looking for and advised me about improving system performance. The
process took a couple of months and I had the same tech for the duration.
It was great.
If you don't run several programs at once or do a lot of heavy computing a
dual core I5 should last you a number of years. 8TB will probably do but
might not be enough in the future. A SSD boot drive is a must. The boot
time on my win 7 machine was cut by 2/3 by adding one and programs are more
responsive. A 128 or 256GB drive should do if you keep most of your data
on another drive. My 240GB SSD is less than half full. The machine seems
to freeze at times when I run low on memory. It can take more than 4
seconds to swap a GB of memory to the SSD and replace it. A hard drive can
take much longer. When this happens I know it is time to shut down some
windows that haven't been used for days or programs that I know have memory
leaks. I rarely reboot the win 10 machine and the win 7 machine once or
twice a week when it really get slow.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that will meet
the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or should I get 12?
Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I neeed SSD, how large should it
be? Generally, which would be the best brand? I know this is a personal
choice. I have had Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if
something else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a
win10 system or Should I get 2016? My current PC is almost 8 years old and
is beginning to do some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of
getting a new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I know I do
not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a decent laptop or
another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh yes, I would like to get
one on sale today, grin.

Carol








Re: TB question

Elaine Young <hidden_spring@...>
 

Mario,

Okay, got it! Thanks! I knew it had to be pretty simple just couldn't figure it out.

-Elaine

On 11/27/2017 9:34 AM, Mario wrote:
Elaine, Carol is correct but to clarify a bit, if you want to cc someone,
get back to the email address to whom you wish to send your email to,
press enter and type their email address,
do not press enter but shift+tab and down arrow to cc,
press tab twice and provide a brief subject, etc.

hth
-------- Original Message --------
From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io [mailto:carollablady=aol.com@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 26, 2017 9:23 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: TB question

Hi,

To place a name in a cc or bcc field, you need to first be on the to
pulldown combo box.
Down arrow to cc or bcc and then tab once
This places you in a new edit box for the new address

On 11/26/2017 7:40 PM, Elaine Young wrote:
Hi,

I use Thunderbird and have one problem.  I can't seem to figure out
how to put an address in the "cc" and  "bc" field. I can get to the
fields but can't seem to get TB to allow me to put in a name to do an
auto email address. I've tried hitting enter and tab but can't seem to
get to the right place. Can someone help me? I am using JAWS 18 and TB
52.4.0.  Other than this issue, I am doing great with TB and highly
recommend it!


-Elaine





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Re: TB question

Elaine Young <hidden_spring@...>
 

Carol, That seems to work! Thanks. Some how I just seemed to tab or enter and always end up at the wrong place. I figured it was simple enough- once you know the process. smile!


Elaine

On 11/26/2017 9:23 PM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

To place a name in a cc or bcc field, you need to first be on the to pulldown combo box.
Down arrow to cc or bcc and then tab once
This places you in a new edit box for the new address

On 11/26/2017 7:40 PM, Elaine Young wrote:
Hi,

I use Thunderbird and have one problem.  I can't seem to figure out how to put an address in the "cc" and  "bc" field. I can get to the fields but can't seem to get TB to allow me to put in a name to do an auto email address. I've tried hitting enter and tab but can't seem to get to the right place. Can someone help me? I am using JAWS 18 and TB 52.4.0.  Other than this issue, I am doing great with TB and highly recommend it!


-Elaine



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Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Hi Tony,

Sorry I didn't see this message in time. I had my friend help me get the order. She knows computers and is a wizard at the internet. Take care.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 11:29 PM, Tony wrote:
I sent you a referral to MrRebates.com. I'm not sure it went through. Dell is currently offering 15% rebate if you go to Mrrebates.com and then look for dell and order. It takes 90 days to get the rebate but it would be a nice check for you. Also, there are many other companies that give rebates. Just be sure to reach them via mrrebates.com

You get $5 and I get a referral bonus if you sign up through the message I sent or list me as a referral. You get the same rebate with or without my referral. Anyone can go directly and sign up with them. Using my e-mail for the referral would be appreciated but not necessary.

Sounds like a good machine you have chosen. Newegg.com has 240GB SSDs for under $80 at present.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else would
be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh
yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol













Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

I know people think I did not do right by getting Office 365, but about the only thing I use Office for is some spreadsheet work and it works for printing labels. So, unless I come up with some very heavy reason for using Office, I feel the current upgrade from 2007 to 2016 should be adequate for some time. Thank you all for your feedback.

Carol

On 11/27/2017 12:00 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Sieghard,

When I purchased my subscription to Office 365, it was $69.95 for the first year, $59.95 after that. Perhaps that has changed and it's $59.95 for the first year. That would be a good thing. Definitely worth purchasing, as you get updates as they come out, and with the way Windows is being updated, that's the best way to go now, in my opinion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Carol,

Two things: the Windows Pro upgrade was unnecessary, makes not much sense unless you need to connect to domains. Second, I hope you got Office 365 which is the subscription based service. If you need it just for yourself it is I think $59.95 in the States and you just pay this every year and in turn you are always entitled to the latest Office downloads and as a bonus you get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage and 60 minutes of Skype calling to regular phone lines a month. The Skype calling may not be something you use, but if you bought 1 Tb of cloud storage from Dropbox it would cost you a lot more than the entire Office subscription.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I am getting used to Chrome. It crashes, but I have reached the point of saying it is more my PC than the program.

My new PC is ordered. It will have a 256 g SSD and a 2 t HDD. I have gone overboard and purchased a PC with everything but the kitchen sink, grin. It is a 6 core i-7 series 8 from Dell. There is 16 g ram and I see no reason why I should have a slow machine after this. Since I went this far, I went ahead and upgraded the Office to 2016 and decided to get Windows Pro, even though I might not need it. One never knows...I might decided to set up a network at some point. (One never knows about these things.)

Carol


On 11/26/2017 6:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Carol,

I think you'll find that web pages will load faster, although I'm certain the browser has something to do with that. Google Chrome is my browser of choice now. In my case, the SSD drive is built in, but it was on my other machine with 8 GV of RAM, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much. I was always told that if I had to make a choice between processor speed and memory, go for the extra memory.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol


On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough
or should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If
I neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be
the best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had
Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if something
else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a
new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred,
a decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol





















Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Thanks. I wanted to get something that might stand up to a decent amount of upgrades and keep me from having to purchase something new too soon, I really don't like installing all of those apps, (programs) grin.

Carol

On 11/27/2017 12:04 AM, Feliciano G wrote:
Carol,
That sounds like a beast of a computer. Congrats on the purchase. What you can take advantage of windows 10 professional right now is the fact that you can customize your windows 10 updates as the home version does not let you customize windows 10 updates. G good choice I’m going with a Dell. I love their computers and customer service.

Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v

On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Hi Carol,

Two things: the Windows Pro upgrade was unnecessary, makes not much sense unless you need to connect to domains. Second, I hope you got Office 365 which is the subscription based service. If you need it just for yourself it is I think $59.95 in the States and you just pay this every year and in turn you are always entitled to the latest Office downloads and as a bonus you get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage and 60 minutes of Skype calling to regular phone lines a month. The Skype calling may not be something you use, but if you bought 1 Tb of cloud storage from Dropbox it would cost you a lot more than the entire Office subscription.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I am getting used to Chrome. It crashes, but I have reached the point of saying it is more my PC than the program.

My new PC is ordered. It will have a 256 g SSD and a 2 t HDD. I have gone overboard and purchased a PC with everything but the kitchen sink, grin. It is a 6 core i-7 series 8 from Dell. There is 16 g ram and I see no reason why I should have a slow machine after this. Since I went this far, I went ahead and upgraded the Office to 2016 and decided to get Windows Pro, even though I might not need it. One never knows...I might decided to set up a network at some point. (One never knows about these things.)

Carol


On 11/26/2017 6:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Carol,

I think you'll find that web pages will load faster, although I'm certain the browser has something to do with that. Google Chrome is my browser of choice now. In my case, the SSD drive is built in, but it was on my other machine with 8 GV of RAM, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much. I was always told that if I had to make a choice between processor speed and memory, go for the extra memory.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol


On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough
or should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If
I neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be
the best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had
Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if something
else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a
new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred,
a decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol

















Re: Unending problems with firefox

Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

Hmm,
I am glad that it is working, but you should not have had to uninstall version 57. Never the less, if it is working then two thumbs up.
Take care,

Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hello again:
I thank all those who took time up to respond to my issue with firefox.
I actually successfully re-installed the extended support release 52.5 a few hours ago. I had to uninstall firefox 57 before installing the ESR. I didn't know before then that I have to remove that program. I thought the ESR works with firefox 57.
All the same, I now have firefox running again on my computer.
Thanking you all again.
Ibrahim.

On 11/27/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chrome was very easy to install bookmarks or favorites, depending on
which browser you might use. Under the chrome menu, you would find
bookmarks. At the end of the options for bookmarks, there is a prompt
for import bookmarks and settings. I pressed that and all of my
bookmarks were moved into Chrome.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 11:03 AM, Bonnie Vegiard wrote:
I installed the extended release version for 64-bit machine’s, and so
far I’ve had no issues with it. I haven’t used it very much since doing this.
It was a straightforward install, and I did not run into any
problems. Are use jaws 18 and windows 10. I am interested in
switching to chrome, as I hear a lot of people really like it, but I
have to investigate how to change all my bookmarks over. Also, our
use the one password program, and I have to figure out how to install
the extension for chrome. All this is doable, but I just have not
gotten around to it. I found one password is pretty inconsistent with
Firefox. Does anyone know if it’s any better with chrome?
Thanks, Bonnie

On Nov 25, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

For those who think they installed the ESR version but still cannot
use Firefox, make sure when you run the install file, you get
"Update" as an option. Double check the Help, About after
installation to be sure you have 52.5 ESR 32 bit. At least, some on
this list, have said run the 32 bit version even if you have a 64
bit machine as it works better with Jaws, apparently.
Here is the 32 bit link for US English:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest-ssl&os=win&
lang=en-US

For all other languages and versions of the ESR, go to:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hi:


I';m having the same issue but I haven't upgraded to Jaws 2018 yet.
In the mean time, I'm using both Internet explorer and NVDA if you
want to use Firefox. IE still works well with Jaws and NVDA is
working well with Firefox for now. Just a little fix to consider.


Stew


On 11/25/2017 2:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello again:
Firefox, is still not working with JAWS, even with the extended
support release. I downloaded and installed the ESR52.5 program,
and it is running.
But when I open firefox, I get this message:
"Display of tab content is disabled due to incompatibility with
your screen reader. Please update your screenreader, or switch to
firefox extended support release".
Does anyone have this problem even after installing ESR, how did
you get around it.
Or is there is fix for this new probllem created by firefox.
I did refresh firefox as suggested in the firefox help, but nothing
changed. In fact, I've now lost all my bookmarks.
Any help?
Ibrahim in Nigeria.












Re: removing jaws saying Headings

Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...>
 

Thank you Mario
I appreciate it.
Sugar

If we could look into each other's hearts and understand the unique
challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more
gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
Marvin J. Ashton
-Sugar
Please support my Journey to a second chance of life at:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: removing jaws saying Headings

Sugar, find the "heading" and press control+shift+n. that should remove the
announcement of heading levels. if you want to remove the announcement of
all headings, press control+a and then press
control+shift+n. I'm not sure if this removes the heading all together
from the document, because I'm blind enough to not see what happens.

alternately, JAWS has a quick setting for heading announcement. setting
this to off will stop the announcements without removing the headings.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sugar Lopez [mailto:sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 11:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: removing jaws saying Headings

When I open a document I have created I hear "heading number 2, heading
number 3.

How can I remove this?

I don't want to hear "heading number."

Can someone give me the steps to have jaws not say this?

Thanks

Using Windows 7

Jaws 17

Desk top 64

Office/o



"But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; They shall
mount up with wings as eagles; They shall run, and not be weary; and They
shall

walk, and not faint." [Isaiah 40:31)



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Re: Unending problems with firefox

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello again:
I thank all those who took time up to respond to my issue with firefox.
I actually successfully re-installed the extended support release 52.5
a few hours ago. I had to uninstall firefox 57 before installing the
ESR. I didn't know before then that I have to remove that program. I
thought the ESR works with firefox 57.
All the same, I now have firefox running again on my computer.
Thanking you all again.
Ibrahim.

On 11/27/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chrome was very easy to install bookmarks or favorites, depending on
which browser you might use. Under the chrome menu, you would find
bookmarks. At the end of the options for bookmarks, there is a prompt
for import bookmarks and settings. I pressed that and all of my
bookmarks were moved into Chrome.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 11:03 AM, Bonnie Vegiard wrote:
I installed the extended release version for 64-bit machine’s, and so far
I’ve had no issues with it. I haven’t used it very much since doing this.
It was a straightforward install, and I did not run into any problems. Are
use jaws 18 and windows 10. I am interested in switching to chrome, as I
hear a lot of people really like it, but I have to investigate how to
change all my bookmarks over. Also, our use the one password program, and
I have to figure out how to install the extension for chrome. All this is
doable, but I just have not gotten around to it. I found one password is
pretty inconsistent with Firefox. Does anyone know if it’s any better with
chrome?
Thanks, Bonnie

On Nov 25, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

For those who think they installed the ESR version but still cannot use
Firefox, make sure when you run the install file, you get "Update" as an
option. Double check the Help, About after installation to be sure you
have 52.5 ESR 32 bit. At least, some on this list, have said run the 32
bit version even if you have a 64 bit machine as it works better with
Jaws, apparently.
Here is the 32 bit link for US English:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest-ssl&os=win&lang=en-US

For all other languages and versions of the ESR, go to:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hi:


I';m having the same issue but I haven't upgraded to Jaws 2018 yet. In
the mean time, I'm using both Internet explorer and NVDA if you want to
use Firefox. IE still works well with Jaws and NVDA is working well
with Firefox for now. Just a little fix to consider.


Stew


On 11/25/2017 2:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello again:
Firefox, is still not working with JAWS, even with the extended
support release. I downloaded and installed the ESR52.5 program, and
it is running.
But when I open firefox, I get this message:
"Display of tab content is disabled due to incompatibility with your
screen reader. Please update your screenreader, or switch to firefox
extended support release".
Does anyone have this problem even after installing ESR, how did you
get around it.
Or is there is fix for this new probllem created by firefox.
I did refresh firefox as suggested in the firefox help, but nothing
changed. In fact, I've now lost all my bookmarks.
Any help?
Ibrahim in Nigeria.












Re: removing jaws saying Headings

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

I believe that removes the formatting, the n standing for normal text.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 27, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: removing jaws saying Headings

Sugar, find the "heading" and press control+shift+n. that should remove the
announcement of heading levels. if you want to remove the announcement of
all headings, press control+a and then press
control+shift+n. I'm not sure if this removes the heading all together
from the document, because I'm blind enough to not see what happens.

alternately, JAWS has a quick setting for heading announcement. setting
this to off will stop the announcements without removing the headings.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sugar Lopez [mailto:sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 11:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: removing jaws saying Headings

When I open a document I have created I hear "heading number 2, heading
number 3.

How can I remove this?

I don't want to hear "heading number."

Can someone give me the steps to have jaws not say this?

Thanks

Using Windows 7

Jaws 17

Desk top 64

Office/o



"But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; They shall
mount up with wings as eagles; They shall run, and not be weary; and They
shall

walk, and not faint." [Isaiah 40:31)



Please Support my Transplant journey at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey



-God Bless you,

Sugar Lopez


Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Cristóbal
 

How about punching in the ascii code for the = sign (alt+61)?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Good thought and one I tried, but even after I type "sum" and then delete it by backspacing, Excel still crashes as soon as I type the equals sign.
Maybe, but it still crashes unless I put that equals sign in last.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Sieghard, regarding your issue, couldn't you just press a letter first, press backspace, type an equal sign followed by the formula, and press enter? I'd imagine this way is less tedious, no?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 2:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Hello Russell,

I use Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit via the Office 365 Business Premium plan.
I had major issues with Excel back at the end of August, but even then Jaws 18 would read everything, but as soon as I tried to type anything into a cell Excel would crash completely.
I then got on the Jaws 2018 private beta program hoping Jaws 2018 would solve the issue, but it didn't. A week or 10 days later there was an Office update and that fixed the issue.
Now I have still one problem which happens with Windows 7 but not with my Windows 10 laptop. I can type into a cell, but if I start a formula with an equals sign Excel crashes. The work-around is to type the formula without the equals sign, for example, sum(a1:a10) and press enter. This just puts the text into the cell, if I then go back and edit with F2 I can put the equals sign in front of the "sum" and press tab or enter and it works.
This happens both with Jaws 18 and Jaws 2018, I am also on the Office Insiders monthly channel by the way.
I have, however, absolutely 0 issues moving around in any worksheet. I assume it is some peculiarity with your system since I have not heard others having these issues. I use Excel on 3 different Windows 7 PC's at my store as well as on 2 Windows 10 laptops.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Owais Patel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Will this happen with Excel 2016 in Windows 10.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Nov 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am having problems with Excel 2016 and Jaws 2018 and earlier versions too. We switched to Office 365 here at work last June, and all worked fine, but now, Jaws isn't able to track in Excel 2016. If I open a blank spreadsheet, Jaws will say "Book 1, Sheet 1, A1". If I press the right arrow key, Jaws will sometimes say "B1" as it ought to, but after that, Jaws is silent when pressing any arrow key.
Nothing at all is read by Jaws. If I press the alt key twice to bring up the ribbon and then close it, Jaws might then read the contents of the cell I am in, but will go silent again after that.

I am running the 1710 build of Office 365, and our channel is "Monthly". I'm hoping the next update to Office 365 will fix this issue, but I have no reason to think that it will.

I am running Windows 7 Enterprise on a Lenovo Desktop machine here at work.

I called VFO tech support, and at that time I was running the 1703 build of Office 365 with the "deferred" channel. I was told that updating to the 1709 or 1710 builds of Office 365 would fix the issue, but it hasn't.

I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk, and their solution was to run a Jaws repair, but I've completely uninstalled Jaws and re-installed, so I don't think running a repair will help, and, when I try to run a repair on Jaws 2018, the repair gets to 4% and then stalls there and finally fails.

Any ideas out there would be greatly appreciated! This is so frustrating.

Oh, and, of course, NVDA does work well with Excel 2016 with none of these issues. I would switch to NVDA permanently except that NVDA crashes our proprietary database that I use on a daily basis.

Thanks all.

Russell









.


Re: 2018 DVD

 

No, the downloaded version is always the better one to use because by the time the DVD's are received the new version of Jaws usually had at least one update so if you install from the DVD you just have to update right afterwards. I really think FS should ask their customers who wants a DVD and who doesn't and those who don't should get $10 off their SMA.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 DVD

Just got my Jaws 2018 disk today. Is there anything on this DVD versus the downloaded version of Jaws 2018?


Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

 

Good thought and one I tried, but even after I type "sum" and then delete it by backspacing, Excel still crashes as soon as I type the equals sign.
Maybe, but it still crashes unless I put that equals sign in last.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Sieghard, regarding your issue, couldn't you just press a letter first, press backspace, type an equal sign followed by the formula, and press enter? I'd imagine this way is less tedious, no?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 2:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Hello Russell,

I use Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit via the Office 365 Business Premium plan.
I had major issues with Excel back at the end of August, but even then Jaws 18 would read everything, but as soon as I tried to type anything into a cell Excel would crash completely.
I then got on the Jaws 2018 private beta program hoping Jaws 2018 would solve the issue, but it didn't. A week or 10 days later there was an Office update and that fixed the issue.
Now I have still one problem which happens with Windows 7 but not with my Windows 10 laptop. I can type into a cell, but if I start a formula with an equals sign Excel crashes. The work-around is to type the formula without the equals sign, for example, sum(a1:a10) and press enter. This just puts the text into the cell, if I then go back and edit with F2 I can put the equals sign in front of the "sum" and press tab or enter and it works.
This happens both with Jaws 18 and Jaws 2018, I am also on the Office Insiders monthly channel by the way.
I have, however, absolutely 0 issues moving around in any worksheet. I assume it is some peculiarity with your system since I have not heard others having these issues. I use Excel on 3 different Windows 7 PC's at my store as well as on 2 Windows 10 laptops.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Owais Patel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Will this happen with Excel 2016 in Windows 10.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Nov 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am having problems with Excel 2016 and Jaws 2018 and earlier versions too. We switched to Office 365 here at work last June, and all worked fine, but now, Jaws isn't able to track in Excel 2016. If I open a blank spreadsheet, Jaws will say "Book 1, Sheet 1, A1". If I press the right arrow key, Jaws will sometimes say "B1" as it ought to, but after that, Jaws is silent when pressing any arrow key.
Nothing at all is read by Jaws. If I press the alt key twice to bring up the ribbon and then close it, Jaws might then read the contents of the cell I am in, but will go silent again after that.

I am running the 1710 build of Office 365, and our channel is "Monthly". I'm hoping the next update to Office 365 will fix this issue, but I have no reason to think that it will.

I am running Windows 7 Enterprise on a Lenovo Desktop machine here at work.

I called VFO tech support, and at that time I was running the 1703 build of Office 365 with the "deferred" channel. I was told that updating to the 1709 or 1710 builds of Office 365 would fix the issue, but it hasn't.

I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk, and their solution was to run a Jaws repair, but I've completely uninstalled Jaws and re-installed, so I don't think running a repair will help, and, when I try to run a repair on Jaws 2018, the repair gets to 4% and then stalls there and finally fails.

Any ideas out there would be greatly appreciated! This is so frustrating.

Oh, and, of course, NVDA does work well with Excel 2016 with none of these issues. I would switch to NVDA permanently except that NVDA crashes our proprietary database that I use on a daily basis.

Thanks all.

Russell









.


Re: 2018 DVD

Dave...
 

Nope. I just keep them in a safe place.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 13:24
Subject: 2018 DVD


Just got my Jaws 2018 disk today. Is there anything on this DVD versus
the downloaded version of Jaws 2018?


2018 DVD

Don H
 

Just got my Jaws 2018 disk today. Is there anything on this DVD versus the downloaded version of Jaws 2018?


Re: removing jaws saying Headings

Mario
 

Sugar, find the "heading" and press control+shift+n. that should remove
the announcement of heading levels. if you want to remove the
announcement of all headings, press control+a and then press
control+shift+n. I'm not sure if this removes the heading all together
from the document, because I'm blind enough to not see what happens.

alternately, JAWS has a quick setting for heading announcement. setting
this to off will stop the announcements without removing the headings.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sugar Lopez [mailto:sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 11:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: removing jaws saying Headings

When I open a document I have created I hear "heading number 2, heading
number 3.

How can I remove this?

I don't want to hear "heading number."

Can someone give me the steps to have jaws not say this?

Thanks

Using Windows 7

Jaws 17

Desk top 64

Office/o



"But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; They shall
mount up with wings as eagles; They shall run, and not be weary; and They
shall

walk, and not faint." [Isaiah 40:31)



Please Support my Transplant journey at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey



-God Bless you,

Sugar Lopez


Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Mario
 

Sieghard, regarding your issue, couldn't you just press a letter first,
press backspace, type an equal sign followed by the formula, and press
enter? I'd imagine this way is less tedious, no?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 2:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Hello Russell,

I use Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit via the Office 365 Business Premium
plan.
I had major issues with Excel back at the end of August, but even then
Jaws 18 would read everything, but as soon as I tried to type anything
into a cell Excel would crash completely.
I then got on the Jaws 2018 private beta program hoping Jaws 2018 would
solve the issue, but it didn't. A week or 10 days later there was an
Office update and that fixed the issue.
Now I have still one problem which happens with Windows 7 but not with
my Windows 10 laptop. I can type into a cell, but if I start a formula
with an equals sign Excel crashes. The work-around is to type the
formula without the equals sign, for example, sum(a1:a10) and press
enter. This just puts the text into the cell, if I then go back and edit
with F2 I can put the equals sign in front of the "sum" and press tab or
enter and it works.
This happens both with Jaws 18 and Jaws 2018, I am also on the Office
Insiders monthly channel by the way.
I have, however, absolutely 0 issues moving around in any worksheet. I
assume it is some peculiarity with your system since I have not heard
others having these issues. I use Excel on 3 different Windows 7 PC's at
my store as well as on 2 Windows 10 laptops.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Owais
Patel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016 as part of Office 365 issues

Will this happen with Excel 2016 in Windows 10.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Nov 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am having problems with Excel 2016 and Jaws 2018 and earlier
versions too. We switched to Office 365 here at work last June, and
all worked fine, but now, Jaws isn't able to track in Excel 2016. If I
open a blank spreadsheet, Jaws will say "Book 1, Sheet 1, A1". If I
press the right arrow key, Jaws will sometimes say "B1" as it ought
to, but after that, Jaws is silent when pressing any arrow key.
Nothing at all is read by Jaws. If I press the alt key twice to bring
up the ribbon and then close it, Jaws might then read the contents of
the cell I am in, but will go silent again after that.

I am running the 1710 build of Office 365, and our channel is
"Monthly". I'm hoping the next update to Office 365 will fix this
issue, but I have no reason to think that it will.

I am running Windows 7 Enterprise on a Lenovo Desktop machine here at work.

I called VFO tech support, and at that time I was running the 1703
build of Office 365 with the "deferred" channel. I was told that
updating to the 1709 or 1710 builds of Office 365 would fix the issue,
but it hasn't.

I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk, and their solution was
to run a Jaws repair, but I've completely uninstalled Jaws and
re-installed, so I don't think running a repair will help, and, when I
try to run a repair on Jaws 2018, the repair gets to 4% and then
stalls there and finally fails.

Any ideas out there would be greatly appreciated! This is so frustrating.

Oh, and, of course, NVDA does work well with Excel 2016 with none of
these issues. I would switch to NVDA permanently except that NVDA
crashes our proprietary database that I use on a daily basis.

Thanks all.

Russell









.


removing jaws saying Headings

Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...>
 

When I open a document I have created I hear “heading number 2, heading number 3…

How can I remove this?

I don’t want to hear “heading number…”

Can someone give me the steps to have jaws not say this?

Thanks

Using Windows 7

Jaws 17

Desk top 64

Office/o

 

"But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings as eagles; They shall run, and not be weary; and They shall

walk, and not faint." [Isaiah 40:31)

 

Please Support my Transplant journey at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

 

-God Bless you,

Sugar Lopez

 


Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

 

I would say so, if I want to send somebody a link to download a file then maybe Dropbox is just a bit better as long as you know to change the "0" at the end of the URL to a "1". If you leave it with the 0 the file will try to open and if it's for example, an MP3 file it will simply start playing. If you change it to a "1" the file will download to your downloads folder.
With OneDrive if you sent somebody a link a website opens asking you to sign int to OneDrive, you can click "No, continue" and then the file downloads.
OneDrive does a good job syncing all the files between my laptop at home and my PC at work, I have it set up to sync both my personal account as well as my OneDrive for Business account. I have two icons in the sys tray, one says "OneDrive - Personal" and the other "OneDrive - BV Outdoor Essentials".
It have set up two folders under my user profile, one is just called "OneDrive" and it is for my personal account and the other is called "OneDrive - BV Outdoor Essentials" and it has all my files from the business account.
If two accounts is something you need then I assume this might be possible with Dropbox, never tried it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

Are Dropbox and OneDrive equal in terms of accessibility, usability, and features? Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Carol,

Two things: the Windows Pro upgrade was unnecessary, makes not much sense unless you need to connect to domains. Second, I hope you got Office 365 which is the subscription based service. If you need it just for yourself it is I think $59.95 in the States and you just pay this every year and in turn you are always entitled to the latest Office downloads and as a bonus you get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage and 60 minutes of Skype calling to regular phone lines a month. The Skype calling may not be something you use, but if you bought 1 Tb of cloud storage from Dropbox it would cost you a lot more than the entire Office subscription.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I am getting used to Chrome. It crashes, but I have reached the point of saying it is more my PC than the program.

My new PC is ordered. It will have a 256 g SSD and a 2 t HDD. I have gone overboard and purchased a PC with everything but the kitchen sink, grin. It is a 6 core i-7 series 8 from Dell. There is 16 g ram and I see no reason why I should have a slow machine after this. Since I went this far, I went ahead and upgraded the Office to 2016 and decided to get Windows Pro, even though I might not need it. One never knows...I might decided to set up a network at some point. (One never knows about these things.)

Carol


On 11/26/2017 6:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Carol,

I think you'll find that web pages will load faster, although I'm certain the browser has something to do with that. Google Chrome is my browser of choice now. In my case, the SSD drive is built in, but it was on my other machine with 8 GV of RAM, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much. I was always told that if I had to make a choice between processor speed and memory, go for the extra memory.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol


On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough
or should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If
I neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be
the best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had
Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if something
else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a
new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred,
a decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol