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moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Maria Campbell
 

Agree about Eloquence still being the best for me, though synths are getting better.


Maria Campbell
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--Edmund Burke
On 9/21/2020 6:49 PM, Loy wrote:


After 20 years with Eloquence, I still prefer it over the human sounding voices for screen reader. I have used some of the human sounding voices for reading books at a normal speed and they are getting better.
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

David Diamond
 

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.  This was the exact reason why some blind persons, not me, prefer eloquence over the more human sounding voices.  Myself, listening to sped up speech via eloquence then  a person talking to me, as in a family member, is like the equivalent of going 50 miles per hour then slamming on the brake and going in reverse.  Sorry if that does not make sense.  I equate it to brain whiplash. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Loy
 


After 20 years with Eloquence, I still prefer it over the human sounding voices for screen reader. I have used some of the human sounding voices for reading books at a normal speed and they are getting better.

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:
These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.
-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

JM Casey
 

I can tell you two reasons off the top of my head why many might prefer
Eloquence.
1. Its pronunciation of any english word at least in the American variant is
basically perfect.
2. it is really much better at fast speed than any of the sampled voices.
These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates
many blind people listen to synthesised speech. It makes the samples sound a
jumbled mess. Nevertheless I do know some people who still listen to modern
human-derived synthesised voices at fast(er) speeds.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 21, 2020 12:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Funny because some prefer eloquence over real speak from JAWS. The person
who did the Australian voice for JAWS said she had a huge manuscript the
size of a phone book to record. Also the Texas version of U S English had
slight variations. For me, the word motor sounded like murder. It could
have been my hearing disability though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: September 20, 2020 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Cool writeup/analysis. I've no doubt we will get there, but I don't
think we're there yet -- I've heard a few top-of-the-lie commercial
voice synthesisers and to me they still haven't quite grasped the
inflection and intonations of the human voice. But they're getting
eerily close. So ..in time. And of course, all our ears are different,
too, and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for
some people.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: September 20, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked:
>what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?

A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres
from acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle
wave may be combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized"
clarinet.
However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines.
There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates
on two levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while
individual voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen.
On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and
voice rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech
engine. With purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically
modeled, just as digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7
attempted to create acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources
rather than actual samples. There's a vital difference between trying
to make an electronic keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and
actually recording single notes on violin or banjo in order to spread them
out across the keyboard.
The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples,
while most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively
human speech samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic
and human; they're fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking
different words or parts of words, from which the speech engine
constructs its vocabulary libraries.
As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is
at the point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from
anyone's voice, which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is
now possible to create convincing audio recordings of people allegedly
saying things they never actually said. This is done by sampling
enough of their recorded speech to formulate a lexicon not only of
vocabulary, but more important, of their vocal inflections, the rises,
falls, breaths and pauses in their speech.
With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain
whether people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio
recordings or videos.
So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional
Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Charlotte, North
Carolina
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

JM Casey
 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Richard Turner
 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Accessible typing test?

Richard Turner
 

There is a free program for both Mac and Windows from the New Mexico commission for the Blind called Keystroek.
You can check it out here:
http://www.cfb.state.nm.us/apps



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Binney
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible typing test?

I typically use Talking Typer to test my clients. APH SELLS IT.

Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@gmail.com
262-490-0109

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann
moderated Re: Accessible typing test?

Jim Fettgather
 

Here is a free version of Talking Typer from APH, it is called Home
Typer Online, is free, and operates within your web browser.
It uses your screen reader's voice to speak the words and sentences,
and seems to work quite well. It is worth a try:

https://typer-beta.aphtech.org/lessons/

On 9/21/20, Betsy Binney <Meandbastet@gmail.com> wrote:
I typically use Talking Typer to test my clients. APH SELLS IT.

Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@gmail.com
262-490-0109

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with
JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann
moderated Re: Accessible typing test?

Mario
 

if a simpler, more basic program is needed, check out Rocky's Audio Typing TutorV2

http://www.rockywaters.co.uk/softwarePage.php

I found it a few years ago, and it works quite well, very intuitive to use, and it's menu driven. I think it uses whatever screen reader you're using, or it maybe self voicing. I don't know if it works in Windows 10 as well as it did in Windows 7.

On 9/21/2020 4:04 PM, Betsy Binney wrote:
I typically use Talking Typer to test my clients. APH SELLS IT.
Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@gmail.com
262-490-0109

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann





.
moderated Re: Accessible typing test?

Marty Hutchings
 

I believe that APH also has a program called Keystroke, which is free.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Binney
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible typing test?

I typically use Talking Typer to test my clients. APH SELLS IT.

Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@gmail.com
262-490-0109

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann
moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

David Diamond
 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Dave Durber
 

Robin:

It is, CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J,to open the JAWS Menue.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Van Lant, Robin via groups.io" <Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout


Dave, I don't see the conflict as a JAWS issue to fix. Because laptop layout assumes you do not have a numpad and uses the Caps lock key to allow your right hand on the QWERTY keys to act like a numpad for JAWS navigation, you would eliminate some of that functionality by repurposing the CAPS lock and J keys to open the JAWS menu. I ten to open the JAWS menu by going to the JAWS icon in the system tray and then using the application key to open the context menu. Now that I know of caps lock, shift control option suggested in earlier messages, I think that will become my new norm.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi Daniel,

This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS laptop layout.

I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this works.

I hope this helps.

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel












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moderated Re: [External] Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Dave Durber
 

Steve:

DAA, I completely forgot about that. My old brain must have slipped a gear and got stuck.

Thanks for reminding me.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cook, Steve" <Steve.Cook@sccb.sc.gov>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [External] Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout


In laptop mode, caps lock key reads previous word. That's why it can't be used.

Thank You,
Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
Newsline Administrator
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Debbie:

I realize that CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, will open the JAWS menue, when you have JAWS set to use the laptop keyboard layout but, why make it so complicated, when CAPS LOCK+J, would be so much simplar. I am not aware of any situation, where CAPS LOCK+J, is used to perform any function for Windows or any third-party software package.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Debby Hill" <dm-hill@comcast.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout


Hi Daniel,

This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The
keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS
laptop layout.

I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on
that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this
works.

I hope this helps.

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the
system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the
only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that
instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is
different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel
moderated Re: Accessible typing test?

Betsy Binney
 

I typically use Talking Typer to test my clients. APH SELLS IT.

Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@gmail.com
262-490-0109

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann
moderated Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Dave Durber
 

Steve:

The correct keystroke is, CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, to open the JAWS menue.

HTH

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cook, Steve" <Steve.Cook@sccb.sc.gov>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout


Press control shift and caps lock key HTH

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel
moderated Free accessible typing test?

Ann Byrne
 

I am resending this with Outlook because Eudora seems to have swallowed it.  If it arrives twice, sorry about that.

 

Can anyone please recommend a free typing test that is accessible with JAWS

 

Thanks,

 
moderated Free accessible typing test?

Ann Byrne
 

Can anyone recommend a free accessible typing test?

Thanks,
moderated Accessible typing test?

Ann Byrne
 

Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?

thanks a lot,

Ann
moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Van Lant, Robin
 

This may be a case for using AIRA or asking the person who sent the file for a basic overview.  For example, my manager’s main file she uses for tracking each year’s group of interns has a list of all interns and multiple columns of data across the bottom, but the top of the worksheet has small tables where she is calculating various things like metrics on of hires by gender and school.  It took me a while to navigate around and try to determine each section of information.

 

Also note  I have found certain JAWS commands do not work if freeze panes is turned on.  Many sighted users use this feature to keep the left column visible as they navigate through the various columns to the right.  Similarly, they might turn this on to keep column headers visible.  JAWS wasn’t able to show me all cell comments while freze panes was on.  There must be a technical reason for this, as JAWS actually told me to unfreeze panes to make it work.  I need to email Vispero and ask why this is. 

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Daniel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Mike,

 

Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous.  As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet.  However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself.  No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person.  For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.

 

Greg

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike

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