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moderated Re: Verbosity of MS Office Ribbons

Phillip Gross
 

Jim, you have me wondering if it’s something like Office Assistant. I used to hate that crap. I’m curious enough now to spend some time researching it.


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Gerald Levy
 


The overwhelming majority of blind computer users are not supertechies, and buying a computer with JAWS and other software already installed is a big plus.  Not everyone can set up a new Windows 10 computer from scratch without tech savvy sighted help, which is well beyond the technical skill of the average blind computer user. My CFB HP desktop has been working flawlessly for two years and I haven't had any technical problems with it. So what if it isn't the latest and greatest?  It does everything I need it to do.  The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

 

Gerald



On 7/6/2021 4:47 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Glenn / Lenny
 

If they are selling them as refurbished, they need to do a clean install.
If it was that slow from the time you got it, then they did not do the clean install, which is an option with all versions of windows that come from a major manufacturer originally, and the windows key will be on the computer for them to enter after the fresh install.
No new computer is that slow, and when you do a fresh install of windows on any computer, it should boot right up, even if it is windows 95.
It is not until you start installing stuff that they slow down.
And removing programs in older windows does not speed things up, because the registry is still cluttered up and bogs things down.
I would expect them to do a fresh install, and it may look like that to anyone else, because they probably removed the previous user from the accounts and added a new user, or left the administrator and just uninstalled all the programs installed.
All that would be a lot more work, so I don't know why they would do all that when they could just do a clean install, and it would be fast on boot up initially.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2021 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind


Years ago, I got a refurbished lap top and it too was slower then molasses in January. I put in a SSD and the loading speed tripled. It turned out that it was originally a windows 7 that had been upgraded to 10. Now, it is so old, HP does not even carry some of the drivers needed to fix it. I naturally don't expect the latest and greatest, however, it would have been nice If I did not have to wait minutes, 5 or more for it to load up. Sometimes I think these agencies that donate computers, just do it for 2 reasons, no one wants them, or they are on their last legs and the company wants to claim it as a charitable donation for tax purposes. When the real truth is they can't be sold and it is the old, "shut up and just be happy with what you got. What do you expect! Attitude. I remember a while back a person fixed lap tops and was selling them for $3 or $400. Big problem was there was no display on the screen. For the sighted, very important. He lamented that no one was purchasing them. I was given one of them and it died with no chance of resurrecting it or repairing it within 6 months of receiving it. Another one, the mother board was shot not to mention the battery lasted for 10 minutes on a full charge. It was suggested it was cheaper just to get a new one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Hi Michael,
While I have not ordered a machine from this company, I was assisting someone who received a unit. The problem she encountered was that it took several minutes for her machine to start up. She was with Voc Rehab and I think they contacted the company to resolve the issue.
Best,

Les

On Jul 6, 2021, at 2:32 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Have any of you ever ordered a laptop from Computers for the Blind? What did you think of the results? Was the computer in good condition? I understand that these computers are refurbished.

Thank you,
Mike




moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I do know someone who got a computer from this organisation and she said it died within a short time, too. I’m aware all this evidence is anecdotal, but it doesn’t inspire much confidence regardless. Then again, this person didn’t really specify much or know – could have been the motherboard that died but also something simpler like the power supply for all I know.
-
And while I don't doubt this, at all, the question is what did she do about it afterward?  Did she contact Computers for the Blind?  Did they offer a replacement or at least to take a look at the machine to see what was wrong?  Did anyone determine whether user error was involved (and it very often is)?

In the world of refurbished computers (or computers in general, really) you will sometimes have something that just dies.  In most cases, what dies is either very, very new or very, very old.  It seems to be the nature of things that certain items fail either "straight out of the gate" or will run for years, then die unexpectedly "of old age."

There can be problems with anything.  My metric is always how the seller handles issues when those occur.  Since I've not had to deal with Computers for the Blind in regard to a "problem machine" I can't answer that question in any way, shape, or form.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:55 PM, David Diamond wrote:
Once I literally had to wait 10 minutes for the computer to boot up.  I thought that was normal. 
-
Well, we both know that's not the case.  Either a lemon or someone inadequately prepped the thing and it wasn't adequately tested afterward.

Even back in the early days, a 10 minute boot up time would have been considered exceedingly long.

I'm not trying to paint Computers for the Blind as something it's not, either.  They sell refurbished, used computers pre-configured for blind users at a very reasonable price.  That's a service in and of itself.  If you can afford newer and better and want newer and better then you should buy it.  Just make sure you have someone who can set everything up if you're not already that someone.

I get some of the business I get because it's known that I know how to avoid screwing up accessibility and how to do quick and dirty testing to ensure I haven't.  Many techs have no idea of what accessibility is or how to do any sort of assessment of whether it's working or not.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

JM Casey
 

Hey Brian.

 

Oh, I’ve no doubt there’sa n appeal – I mean, not everyone has the kind of resources that I was just talking about, and I suppose not everyone knows that they can get narrator up and running quickly, or put NVDA on a usb and have it up pretty fast. Alo, not everyone has people “on standby” who know hardware and can help set things up if needed.

I do know someone who got a computer from this organisation and she said it died within a short time, too. I’m aware all this evidence is anecdotal, but it doesn’t inspire much confidence regardless. Then again, this person didn’t really specify much or know – could have been the motherboard that died but also something simpler like the power supply for all I know.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 04:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:35 PM, JM Casey wrote:

with working displays, much cheaper on ebay and elsewhere.

-
Not already configured with software used by a very great many blind people.  That's the appeal, as far as I can tell along with the price.  They're ready to use by someone who's blind and has familiarity with a screen reader right out of the box.  I don't have the last one that was obtained from them, but I did set up Windows 10 on it as it had originally come several years back with Windows 8.1.

Like I said, I have yet to see a truly substandard machine come from them.  It's not that I doubt there have been some, but probabilities are that you'll get a perfectly adequate machine for home use (or light home business use) that could last you at least 3 years or so, often more, depending on what you do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

David Diamond
 

There is also something which is a broad topic, the age of entitlement.  Some do want the latest and greatest.  I’m not one of them, I just want it to meet what Brian outlined in his earlier message.  I don’t want to start supper, sit down to eat it and then put the dishes to wash before my refurbished computer boots up.  Alright, I know I’m being melodramatic here.  But, you still get my point.  Once I literally had to wait 10 minutes for the computer to boot up.  I thought that was normal. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

If someone is buying one of these on their own, and they simply cannot save up for a good new machine; they serve a small market and if pressed, they will fix them when they show up in poor shape; like a laptop with a dead/dying battery.

But, what is truly sad, is that with Vocational Rehabilitation funds getting tighter and tighter, some agencies have started buying clients one of those computers instead of a new machine with a  warranty for at least 3 years, so the person can be functional for a long time.

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On Jul 6, 2021, at 1:14 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

Years ago, I got a refurbished lap top and it too was slower then molasses in January.  I put in a SSD and the loading speed tripled. It turned out that it was originally a windows 7 that had been upgraded to 10.  Now, it is so old, HP does not even carry some of the drivers needed to fix it. I naturally don't expect the latest and greatest, however, it would have been nice If I did not have to wait minutes, 5 or more for it to load up. Sometimes I think these agencies that donate computers, just do it for 2 reasons, no one wants them, or they are on their last legs and the company wants to claim it as a charitable donation for tax purposes. When the real truth is they can't be sold and it is the old, "shut up and just be happy with what you got.  What do you expect! Attitude.  I remember a while back a person fixed lap tops and was selling them for $3 or $400.  Big problem was there was no display on the screen.  For the sighted, very important. He lamented that no one was purchasing them. I was given one of them and it died with no chance of resurrecting it or  repairing it  within 6 months of receiving it. Another one, the mother board was shot not to mention the battery lasted for 10 minutes on a full charge.  It was suggested it was cheaper just to get a new one.           

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Hi Michael,
While I have not ordered a machine from this company, I was assisting someone who received a unit. The problem she encountered was that it took several minutes for her machine to start up. She was with Voc Rehab and I think they contacted the company to resolve the issue.
Best,

Les


On Jul 6, 2021, at 2:32 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Have any of you ever ordered a laptop from Computers for the Blind? What did you think of the results? Was the computer in good condition? I understand that these computers are refurbished.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

 

 

 












moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Justin Williams
 

From what I understand, at least as of last year 2020 at around march, they were using a solid state hard drive.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

David Diamond
 

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:35 PM, JM Casey wrote:
with working displays, much cheaper on ebay and elsewhere.
-
Not already configured with software used by a very great many blind people.  That's the appeal, as far as I can tell along with the price.  They're ready to use by someone who's blind and has familiarity with a screen reader right out of the box.  I don't have the last one that was obtained from them, but I did set up Windows 10 on it as it had originally come several years back with Windows 8.1.

Like I said, I have yet to see a truly substandard machine come from them.  It's not that I doubt there have been some, but probabilities are that you'll get a perfectly adequate machine for home use (or light home business use) that could last you at least 3 years or so, often more, depending on what you do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

JM Casey
 

Yeah, I really don't see the point in using any such agency -- y ou can get
perfectly good cheap laptops, with working displays, much cheaper on ebay
and elsewhere. I paid $200 for my Lenovo -- yeah it's a bit old but it runs
Windows 10 fine and has cool stuff like a CD/DVDr drive and plenty of USB
ports and HDMI and other goodies. Only a dinky processor but that's ok for
my purposes; I have a much more powerful desktop anyway, which I also only
paid around $500 to have built for me. Spend the time to get to know people
and find the right connections and you'll never need these sorts of
organisations.
That said, you are right about the reasons people donate those machiens --
but that's actually fine, because the org is *supposed* to refurbish the
computers, not just pack 'em in a box to send to some poor unsuspecting
blind person. Desktops especially are pretty adaptable.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: July 6, 2021 04:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Years ago, I got a refurbished lap top and it too was slower then molasses
in January. I put in a SSD and the loading speed tripled. It turned out
that it was originally a windows 7 that had been upgraded to 10. Now, it is
so old, HP does not even carry some of the drivers needed to fix it. I
naturally don't expect the latest and greatest, however, it would have been
nice If I did not have to wait minutes, 5 or more for it to load up.
Sometimes I think these agencies that donate computers, just do it for 2
reasons, no one wants them, or they are on their last legs and the company
wants to claim it as a charitable donation for tax purposes. When the real
truth is they can't be sold and it is the old, "shut up and just be happy
with what you got. What do you expect! Attitude. I remember a while back a
person fixed lap tops and was selling them for $3 or $400. Big problem was
there was no display on the screen. For the sighted, very important. He
lamented that no one was purchasing them. I was given one of them and it
died with no chance of resurrecting it or repairing it within 6 months of
receiving it. Another one, the mother board was shot not to mention the
battery lasted for 10 minutes on a full charge. It was suggested it was
cheaper just to get a new one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Hi Michael,
While I have not ordered a machine from this company, I was assisting
someone who received a unit. The problem she encountered was that it took
several minutes for her machine to start up. She was with Voc Rehab and I
think they contacted the company to resolve the issue.
Best,

Les

On Jul 6, 2021, at 2:32 AM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Have any of you ever ordered a laptop from Computers for the Blind? What
did you think of the results? Was the computer in good condition? I
understand that these computers are refurbished.

Thank you,
Mike




moderated Re: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

David Diamond
 

Jim, I just put in Richard’s name because I thought it sounded rude just to eliminate any name.  Smile. As for, “They are still working on making the subscription model available outside of the U.S>” It sounds like the term I referred to earlier.  Some of you are thinking about … and next year you will still be thinking about it.  I think the making of the subscription available to non U S citizens has been bandied around since Freedom scientific was still freedom scientific, now Visparo. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: July 6, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

David,

I am not Richard, but Eric is at the NFB Convention this week and I am sorry to say but the response hasn’t changed much.  “They are still working on making the subscription model available outside of the U.S>”.

Regards,

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Jul 6, 2021, at 3:50 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

 

Richard, if you have an occasion to email Eric again, could you ask him if he has any date as to when sales like below will be offered to Canadians?  The subscriptions to JAWS have been around for years, yet Canadians still have to purchase the SMA rather then going the subscription route. Time and time again the response is, “It will be available in Canada eventually.”  This reminds me of a phrase decades ago.  “Some of you are thinking about … and next year you will still be thinking about it.”  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 6, 2021 5:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

IN response to Gerald’s statement below, I wrote Eric Damery directly on Sunday, July 4, and received a response today.

Here is my question to him:

 

Good morning, or afternoon; whenever you read this,

On one of the Jaws lists, the issue of to SMA or not to SMA has been coming up because of the sale.

 

It is being said that the SMA is going to be faded out and everyone wil be forced into the annual license.

 

Is that true?

 

Here is his response:

 

Hi Richard,

 

Not at all. There are currently two options and I expect that to continue.

 

If you are in ILM and current, maintaining a two year SMA is an option today. $150 is retail and you can get it during the show for $120. Pretty good deal.

For those who have let their license lapse, or don't own one, than paying annually with the Portal solution will likely be less expensive and thousands of customers have gone that direction.

 

Eric

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

 

Eventually, the SMA option is expected to be phased out, and all JAWS users will be switched to the annual subscription option, which will be more profitable for Freedom Scientific.

 

Gerald 

 

 

On 7/4/2021 9:13 AM, Marie wrote:

If you have the SMA, why in the world would you switch to an annual subscription?

Marie

  

On 7/3/2021 1:24 PM, William Vandervest wrote:

If I have a SMA with no upgrades, how do I determine when it will expire, and if I purchase a Home Annual Licence, will it start immediately, or at the time my SMA expires?

 

 

 

William Vandervest

Win10 latest revision

 

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

 

William Vandervest

 

u

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 12:06
To: JList
Subject: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

----- Original Message -----

 

 

New post on Freedom Scientific Blog 
avatar/1f25be95346904cf356387171bfc7549

 

Take Advantage of our Software Discounts
by 
Elizabeth Whitaker

 

Freedom Scientific is offering a 20 percent discount on software for customers living in the U.S. With the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) 2021
National Convention right around the corner, there’s no better time to purchase a new software license or renew an existing one.

 

Home Annual License

 

Receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing a new Home Annual license of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. Visit the 
Home Annual page of the Freedom Scientific e-store to purchase your license. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied upon purchase.

 


If you already have a Home Annual license and want to renew it, log into the 
Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal,

 


and select Renew. The discount is automatically applied to your purchase. The renewal term you choose will be added onto the end of your existing license
no matter where you are in your current term.

 

Home ILM Upgrades and SMAs

 

If you have a Home Internet License Manager (ILM) and need to purchase an upgrade or add a software maintenance agreement (SMA), the same 20 percent discount
applies. Visit the 
Freedom Scientific Serial Number Lookup Page

 


 and enter your serial number to check your licensing status. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied when
purchasing an ILM or SMA.

 

OpenBook

 

Currently, OpenBook software for home use is specially priced at $195.00, but you can get this price only by calling Freedom Scientific Customer Service
at 800-444-4443.

 

Pro Licenses

 

If you have purchased a Pro license for JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion for use at home, you can receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing an upgrade and/or
SMA. Contact Customer Service at 800-444-4443 to receive this discount. The 20 percent discount will apply to the Pro software upgrades and SMAs for users
who want to keep their Pro licenses rather than switching to home licenses.

 

Vispero NFB Event Page

 

Visit the 
Vispero NFB Event

 


 page for all the details, plus learn about discounts for low vision hardware devices and the Pearl camera. Check out Vispero’s schedule of events and
join us at the 2021 NFB National Convention!

 

Elizabeth Whitaker
 | July 2, 2021 at 7:48 pm | Tags: 
Freedom-Scientific-Licensing-Portal,
Freedom-Scientific-software,
Freedom-Scientific-software-updates

 


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If someone is buying one of these on their own, and they simply cannot save up for a good new machine; they serve a small market and if pressed, they will fix them when they show up in poor shape; like a laptop with a dead/dying battery.
But, what is truly sad, is that with Vocational Rehabilitation funds getting tighter and tighter, some agencies have started buying clients one of those computers instead of a new machine with a  warranty for at least 3 years, so the person can be functional for a long time.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jul 6, 2021, at 1:14 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

Years ago, I got a refurbished lap top and it too was slower then molasses in January.  I put in a SSD and the loading speed tripled. It turned out that it was originally a windows 7 that had been upgraded to 10.  Now, it is so old, HP does not even carry some of the drivers needed to fix it. I naturally don't expect the latest and greatest, however, it would have been nice If I did not have to wait minutes, 5 or more for it to load up. Sometimes I think these agencies that donate computers, just do it for 2 reasons, no one wants them, or they are on their last legs and the company wants to claim it as a charitable donation for tax purposes. When the real truth is they can't be sold and it is the old, "shut up and just be happy with what you got.  What do you expect! Attitude.  I remember a while back a person fixed lap tops and was selling them for $3 or $400.  Big problem was there was no display on the screen.  For the sighted, very important. He lamented that no one was purchasing them. I was given one of them and it died with no chance of resurrecting it or  repairing it  within 6 months of receiving it. Another one, the mother board was shot not to mention the battery lasted for 10 minutes on a full charge.  It was suggested it was cheaper just to get a new one.           

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Hi Michael,
While I have not ordered a machine from this company, I was assisting someone who received a unit. The problem she encountered was that it took several minutes for her machine to start up. She was with Voc Rehab and I think they contacted the company to resolve the issue.
Best,

Les

On Jul 6, 2021, at 2:32 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:

Hi,

Have any of you ever ordered a laptop from Computers for the Blind? What did you think of the results? Was the computer in good condition? I understand that these computers are refurbished.

Thank you,
Mike
















moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

David Diamond
 

Years ago, I got a refurbished lap top and it too was slower then molasses in January. I put in a SSD and the loading speed tripled. It turned out that it was originally a windows 7 that had been upgraded to 10. Now, it is so old, HP does not even carry some of the drivers needed to fix it. I naturally don't expect the latest and greatest, however, it would have been nice If I did not have to wait minutes, 5 or more for it to load up. Sometimes I think these agencies that donate computers, just do it for 2 reasons, no one wants them, or they are on their last legs and the company wants to claim it as a charitable donation for tax purposes. When the real truth is they can't be sold and it is the old, "shut up and just be happy with what you got. What do you expect! Attitude. I remember a while back a person fixed lap tops and was selling them for $3 or $400. Big problem was there was no display on the screen. For the sighted, very important. He lamented that no one was purchasing them. I was given one of them and it died with no chance of resurrecting it or repairing it within 6 months of receiving it. Another one, the mother board was shot not to mention the battery lasted for 10 minutes on a full charge. It was suggested it was cheaper just to get a new one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Hi Michael,
While I have not ordered a machine from this company, I was assisting someone who received a unit. The problem she encountered was that it took several minutes for her machine to start up. She was with Voc Rehab and I think they contacted the company to resolve the issue.
Best,

Les

On Jul 6, 2021, at 2:32 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Have any of you ever ordered a laptop from Computers for the Blind? What did you think of the results? Was the computer in good condition? I understand that these computers are refurbished.

Thank you,
Mike




moderated Re: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

David,
I am not Richard, but Eric is at the NFB Convention this week and I am sorry to say but the response hasn’t changed much.  “They are still working on making the subscription model available outside of the U.S>”.
Regards,

Jim Weiss



On Jul 6, 2021, at 3:50 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

Richard, if you have an occasion to email Eric again, could you ask him if he has any date as to when sales like below will be offered to Canadians?  The subscriptions to JAWS have been around for years, yet Canadians still have to purchase the SMA rather then going the subscription route. Time and time again the response is, “It will be available in Canada eventually.”  This reminds me of a phrase decades ago.  “Some of you are thinking about … and next year you will still be thinking about it.”  
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 6, 2021 5:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale
 
IN response to Gerald’s statement below, I wrote Eric Damery directly on Sunday, July 4, and received a response today.
Here is my question to him:
 
Good morning, or afternoon; whenever you read this,
On one of the Jaws lists, the issue of to SMA or not to SMA has been coming up because of the sale.
 
It is being said that the SMA is going to be faded out and everyone wil be forced into the annual license.
 
Is that true?
 
Here is his response:
 
Hi Richard,
 
Not at all. There are currently two options and I expect that to continue.
 
If you are in ILM and current, maintaining a two year SMA is an option today. $150 is retail and you can get it during the show for $120. Pretty good deal.
For those who have let their license lapse, or don't own one, than paying annually with the Portal solution will likely be less expensive and thousands of customers have gone that direction.
 
Eric
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Software Sale
 

 

Eventually, the SMA option is expected to be phased out, and all JAWS users will be switched to the annual subscription option, which will be more profitable for Freedom Scientific.

 

Gerald 

 

 

On 7/4/2021 9:13 AM, Marie wrote:

If you have the SMA, why in the world would you switch to an annual subscription?

Marie

  

On 7/3/2021 1:24 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
If I have a SMA with no upgrades, how do I determine when it will expire, and if I purchase a Home Annual Licence, will it start immediately, or at the time my SMA expires?
 
 
 
William Vandervest
Win10 latest revision
 
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
 
William Vandervest
 
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 12:06
To: JList
Subject: Freedom Scientific Software Sale
 
----- Original Message -----
 
 
New post on Freedom Scientific Blog 
avatar/1f25be95346904cf356387171bfc7549
 
Take Advantage of our Software Discounts
by 
Elizabeth Whitaker
 
Freedom Scientific is offering a 20 percent discount on software for customers living in the U.S. With the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) 2021
National Convention right around the corner, there’s no better time to purchase a new software license or renew an existing one.
 
Home Annual License
 
Receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing a new Home Annual license of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. Visit the 
Home Annual page of the Freedom Scientific e-store to purchase your license. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied upon purchase.
 

If you already have a Home Annual license and want to renew it, log into the 
Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal,
 

and select Renew. The discount is automatically applied to your purchase. The renewal term you choose will be added onto the end of your existing license
no matter where you are in your current term.
 
Home ILM Upgrades and SMAs
 
If you have a Home Internet License Manager (ILM) and need to purchase an upgrade or add a software maintenance agreement (SMA), the same 20 percent discount
applies. Visit the 
Freedom Scientific Serial Number Lookup Page
 

 and enter your serial number to check your licensing status. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied when
purchasing an ILM or SMA.
 
OpenBook
 
Currently, OpenBook software for home use is specially priced at $195.00, but you can get this price only by calling Freedom Scientific Customer Service
at 800-444-4443.
 
Pro Licenses
 
If you have purchased a Pro license for JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion for use at home, you can receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing an upgrade and/or
SMA. Contact Customer Service at 800-444-4443 to receive this discount. The 20 percent discount will apply to the Pro software upgrades and SMAs for users
who want to keep their Pro licenses rather than switching to home licenses.
 
Vispero NFB Event Page
 
Visit the 
Vispero NFB Event
 

 page for all the details, plus learn about discounts for low vision hardware devices and the Pearl camera. Check out Vispero’s schedule of events and
join us at the 2021 NFB National Convention!
 
Elizabeth Whitaker
 | July 2, 2021 at 7:48 pm | Tags: 
Freedom-Scientific-Licensing-Portal,
Freedom-Scientific-software,
Freedom-Scientific-software-updates



moderated Re: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

David Diamond
 

Richard, if you have an occasion to email Eric again, could you ask him if he has any date as to when sales like below will be offered to Canadians?  The subscriptions to JAWS have been around for years, yet Canadians still have to purchase the SMA rather then going the subscription route. Time and time again the response is, “It will be available in Canada eventually.”  This reminds me of a phrase decades ago.  “Some of you are thinking about … and next year you will still be thinking about it.” 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 6, 2021 5:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Will SMA's continue, was RE: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

IN response to Gerald’s statement below, I wrote Eric Damery directly on Sunday, July 4, and received a response today.

Here is my question to him:

 

Good morning, or afternoon; whenever you read this,

On one of the Jaws lists, the issue of to SMA or not to SMA has been coming up because of the sale.

 

It is being said that the SMA is going to be faded out and everyone wil be forced into the annual license.

 

Is that true?

 

Here is his response:

 

Hi Richard,

 

Not at all. There are currently two options and I expect that to continue.

 

If you are in ILM and current, maintaining a two year SMA is an option today. $150 is retail and you can get it during the show for $120. Pretty good deal.

For those who have let their license lapse, or don't own one, than paying annually with the Portal solution will likely be less expensive and thousands of customers have gone that direction.

 

Eric

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

 

Eventually, the SMA option is expected to be phased out, and all JAWS users will be switched to the annual subscription option, which will be more profitable for Freedom Scientific.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 7/4/2021 9:13 AM, Marie wrote:

If you have the SMA, why in the world would you switch to an annual subscription?

Marie

 

On 7/3/2021 1:24 PM, William Vandervest wrote:

If I have a SMA with no upgrades, how do I determine when it will expire, and if I purchase a Home Annual Licence, will it start immediately, or at the time my SMA expires?

 

 

 

William Vandervest

timelord09@...

Win10 latest revision

 

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

 

William Vandervest

 

u

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 12:06
To: JList
Subject: Freedom Scientific Software Sale

 

----- Original Message -----

 

WordPress.com

 

New post on Freedom Scientific Blog
avatar/1f25be95346904cf356387171bfc7549

 

Take Advantage of our Software Discounts
by
Elizabeth Whitaker

 

Freedom Scientific is offering a 20 percent discount on software for customers living in the U.S. With the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) 2021
National Convention right around the corner, there’s no better time to purchase a new software license or renew an existing one.

 

Home Annual License

 

Receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing a new Home Annual license of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. Visit the
Home Annual page of the Freedom Scientific e-store to purchase your license. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied upon purchase.

 


If you already have a Home Annual license and want to renew it, log into the
Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal,

 


and select Renew. The discount is automatically applied to your purchase. The renewal term you choose will be added onto the end of your existing license
no matter where you are in your current term.

 

Home ILM Upgrades and SMAs

 

If you have a Home Internet License Manager (ILM) and need to purchase an upgrade or add a software maintenance agreement (SMA), the same 20 percent discount
applies. Visit the
Freedom Scientific Serial Number Lookup Page

 


 and enter your serial number to check your licensing status. You will not need a code to receive this discount. It will be automatically applied when
purchasing an ILM or SMA.

 

OpenBook

 

Currently, OpenBook software for home use is specially priced at $195.00, but you can get this price only by calling Freedom Scientific Customer Service
at 800-444-4443.

 

Pro Licenses

 

If you have purchased a Pro license for JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion for use at home, you can receive a 20 percent discount when purchasing an upgrade and/or
SMA. Contact Customer Service at 800-444-4443 to receive this discount. The 20 percent discount will apply to the Pro software upgrades and SMAs for users
who want to keep their Pro licenses rather than switching to home licenses.

 

Vispero NFB Event Page

 

Visit the
Vispero NFB Event

 


 page for all the details, plus learn about discounts for low vision hardware devices and the Pearl camera. Check out Vispero’s schedule of events and
join us at the 2021 NFB National Convention!

 

Elizabeth Whitaker
 | July 2, 2021 at 7:48 pm | Tags:
Freedom-Scientific-Licensing-Portal,
Freedom-Scientific-software,
Freedom-Scientific-software-updates


moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Go to Jaws menu > Help > Licence and select Update Licence.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: After purchasing SMA?

 

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show  the new amount of upgrades I have.


moderated Re: Downloading files from server

Bill White
 

Hi, Kevin. As Richard said, Filezilla is good. You can also enable ftp downloading from your browser as follows,

 

Enabling FTP Transfer in Your Browser

Starting in late 2020, web browser developers began disabling FTP (File Transfer Protocol) file downloads by default. Our assumption is that they consider such downloads security risks. Artwork makes all of our software available to customers via FTP so until we change this, our customers still need to use FTP. This article describes how the user can change the browser to allow FTP file downloads.

 

Firefox

 

Firefox version 86 and later block FTP by default. If you get a strange dialog box after clicking on an ftp link on one of Artwork's download pages, this is the reason. (Note - it is also possible that your company's firewall may block all FTP traffic. Check with your IT department if you are not sure.)

 

type into Firefox's address bar: about:config

 

You will be warned to proceed with caution:

Accept the Risk and Continue.

 

When presented with the next window, enter into the search box the term "ftp". You will see a number of settings related to ftp file transfers.

We are interested in the parameter network.ftp.enabled. If the value is set to false, then ftp is disabled. We want to change that value from false to true. To change the value from false to true click on the toggle button.

After doing this you will see the value is now true.

You can close this window; now you will be able to use ftp.

 

Google Chrome

 

By default, Google Chrome will attempt to send you to a different application in order to use FTP as you can see below when I try to download Qckvu3 from Artwork's web site:

 

To correct this, first type into the address bar: chrome://flags and you will see the following window:

Now type into the search bar: enable-ftp

You should see the flag for enable-ftp. If it is set to Default or to Disabled, press the label/button and select Enabled.

Now all you need to do is to press the button labeled Relaunch at the bottom of the window. This will restart Chrome and your change will take effect.

Once you have done this, you should be able to use ftp.

 

Microsoft Edge

 

To correct this, first type into the address bar: chrome://flags and you will see the following window:

Now type into the search bar: enable-ftp

You should see the flag for enable-ftp. If it is set to Default or to Disabled, press the label/button and select Enabled.

Now all you need to do is to press the button labeled Relaunch at the bottom of the window. This will restart Edge and your change will take effect.

Once you have done this, you should be able to use ftp.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Downloading files from server

 

Hello,

I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. Is there a free program that works with Jaws2021 where I can download files from a server where my web site is located?

Cheers,

Kevin


moderated Re: Downloading files from server

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Assuming you are talking about an FTP client; yes.
Filezilla is free and works great with Jaws 2021.
It is made by the same open source group that does FireFox.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jul 6, 2021, at 9:21 AM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



Hello,

I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. Is there a free program that works with Jaws2021 where I can download files from a server where my web site is located?

Cheers,

Kevin

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