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moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Adrian Spratt
 

This post sounds ominous. A third party is telling a JAWS user what he can and cannot do to get adequate accessibility in his job, all the while referring to him as "the individual"? Deeply disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Alex Kenny
 

While headings would be ideal, it is possible to quickly jump to the next or previous message in a topic using the  quick navigation keys for separators (Hyphen and Shift+hyphen).


moderated Re: Compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020

Randy Barnett
 

Thunderbird is perfectly useable with jaws.  and I have been using it for years with no major problems. We have a group  send a message to Thunderbird +subscribe@groups.io if you want to join. Yeah if you want to join it.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:52 AM, Rohan <rohan.fighter@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I have configured my Gmail account in Windows 10 Mail client. It seems that there is no way to add rules or create filters in this app. Can someone please share the compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020?

 

Response awaited. Thanks much!

 

 

Best Regards,

Rohan


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Milton Ota
 

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

David,

 

I suggest you write Mark Fletcher who I believe started Groups.io at markf@corp.groups.io and express your accessibility concerns re headings, etc. He has replied to me at least one prior time when I wrote him privately with a question.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: 'JAWS Discussion List'
Subject: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

Hi all,

 

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.

 

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

 

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

 

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

 

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

 

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.

 

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.

 

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.

 

Regards,

David


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Joseph Hudson
 

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.

On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Lori Lynn
 

I’m a former Federal employee, so understand what you are talking about. They have much testing and tweaking to make sure their other software works with the version of JAWS you are getting.

 

I’m assuming you are working on a laptop rather than a desktop. I ran into something similar to what you are talking about a few years ago when our agency switched to laptops for teleworking. I had to change the keyboard setting to standard or something similar. I honestly don’t remember if it was a JAWS setting or a Windows setting. Perhaps someone else will know how to change the keyboard and can share. Good luck.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

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tFrom: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tele1974@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

 

 I am a federal government employee, so downloading newer versions of jaws unfortunately isn’t an option for me. Are there any possible workaround or is this just something I’m going to have to deal with?   Honestly the worst of the two issues is the alt plus other keystrokes not working. Does anyone know why this would be? 


moderated Braille output

romance's prince
 


hello dears
 
I want to test Braille with jaws some like Braille viewer but I'm blind! & don't have Braille display now.
is anyway / script let me get copy of Braille output which sent to Braille display as a Unicode or Ascii Braille as jaws encoding it?
is it possible to find  a script which coppy braille characters from braille viewer?
 many thanks for your help.
 


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Tom Behler
 

Anne:

This is what I do as well when using my laptop at home.

However, when traveling, carrying around an extra keyboard can be
inconvenient, although I have been known to do that as well.

Covering over the touch-pad may be another easy alternative which I will try
next when needed.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

I use an external keyboard with my lap top. that way I don't inadvertently
hit the touchPad. Some computers you can turn it off and on easily, but
some you can't.
At 04:17 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:51 PM, Mark Arnold ABG wrote:
Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.Â
Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if
sighted users want to utilize a mouse? Any input would be
appreciated…

-Mark,      My recommendation of over a decade not to every
one of the clients I've tutored is NOT to disable the mousepad, because
having real left and right click hard buttons is just so useful, but to
mask off the "thumbpad"
area that causes the mouse pointer to move. I have most commonly done
this using a piece of cardboard of the thickness you typically find on
the back of a notepad, cut to the necessary size, taped down on the
left like that side is a book spine and on the right with a smaller
tape tab, that can be easily lifted if desired to expose the "thumbpad"
area for sighted assistants.      It is just so handy to
have real left and right click rather than using screen reader
emulation to achieve same, and you can get that while easily preventing
the issue you describe by masking off the area responsible for pointer
movement. --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Â

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome
it. Â Â Â Â Â Â ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Dan. …  Will take a look.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Yes, the issue is very annoying. After Dell does an update, a Dell update and not a Windows update, the mouse touch pad gets re activated. Go into control panel and under mouse you will find a setting to turn off the touch pad. 

On my dell the setting is only available under the mouse tab in control panel.  On some Dell’s it may be easier to find.  The setting is not easy to locate with JAWS so if sighted assistance is available this will save time.  JAWS does read the items in the mouse area so perhaps with a little extra work with JAWS you should be able to control the function.  It is a check box.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Mark:

 

I have been using Dell laptops lately, and always try to turn off the mouse pad for the same reasons you suggest.

 

However, I notice that sometimes the mouse pad gets turned back on probably from Dell updates, so I’m gradually learning to live with the mouse bening enabled.

 

If someone has instructions for turning the mouse pad off on a Dell computer, and keeping it off, I’d appreciate them.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Laptop mouse question

 

List,

 

I have had numerous laptops over the years and the “mouse” area always causes problems…  Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

Mark D. Arnold

Co-Director

American Blind Golf

Phone: (330) 419-1710

www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

www.OhioBlindGolf.com

 

Motivate, Inspire & Serve

 


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Randy Barnett
 

Did you ask them to upgrade? I’d be really surprised if they won’t give you the new version of jaws. Especially if it’s interfering with your job.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:16 AM, tele1974@... wrote:

 I am a federal government employee, so downloading newer versions of jaws unfortunately isn’t an option for me. Are there any possible workaround or is this just something I’m going to have to deal with?   Honestly the worst of the two issues is the alt plus other keystrokes not working. Does anyone know why this would be? 


moderated Re: canvas accesssibility

Shai
 

Hello Paul,
Yes Canvas itself is accessible with JAWS2020. I have not tried it
with JAWS2021 yet so I can't comment there.

On 11/15/20, Paul Faucheux <pf112781@gmail.com> wrote:
hi this is paul faucheux. is canvas accessible with jaws 2020 or 2021. i am
going to be taking information communications technology courses at north
shore technical community college. i previously went there from january 3
2008 to march 21 2011. during that time they used blackboard for course
materials and accessing assignments as well as submitting assignments
please let me know if it is accessible and if not what should i do or say
to instructors and people at at the school. i will be taking the classes at
there hammond louisiana campus. please email me at pf112781@gmail.com or
call me at 985-370-2072.





--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Ann Byrne
 

I have trouble getting JAWS to read footnotes. I think they read best in draft view.

At 03:54 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:

I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn't do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn't do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for "ui" this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

Hope this helps,

Takis



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io <<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi, I'm using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn't know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin




moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Ann Byrne
 

I use an external keyboard with my lap top. that way I don't inadvertently hit the touchPad. Some computers you can turn it off and on easily, but some you can't.

At 04:17 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:51 PM, Mark Arnold ABG wrote:
Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus. Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse? Any input would be appreciated…

-Mark,      My recommendation of over a decade not to every one of the clients I've tutored is NOT to disable the mousepad, because having real left and right click hard buttons is just so useful, but to mask off the "thumbpad" area that causes the mouse pointer to move. I have most commonly done this using a piece of cardboard of the thickness you typically find on the back of a notepad, cut to the necessary size, taped down on the left like that side is a book spine and on the right with a smaller tape tab, that can be easily lifted if desired to expose the "thumbpad" area for sighted assistants.      It is just so handy to have real left and right click rather than using screen reader emulation to achieve same, and you can get that while easily preventing the issue you describe by masking off the area responsible for pointer movement. --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Â

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. Â Â Â Â Â Â ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Richard Turner
 

Hi again,

Open Word.

Press insert+v.

Type foot in the search field.

You should have two results.

Arrow down and in my case I have:

Comments, Footnotes, and Endnotes Detection On, Reading OptionsWord Settings

This option controls whether to detect comments, footnotes, and end notes while reading the document.
Options include: Off - No comments, footnotes, or end notes are detected.
Options


Header and Footer Detection not checked, Reading OptionsWord Settings

This option controls whether JAWS detects and announces headers and footers in the current section of the currently opened document.
The default setting is On.
when the option is on, as a document opens, JAWS announces the presence of headers and footers in the current section of the document.
If the option for Page, Section, And Multiple Column Breaks is set to on, the presence of headers and footers in a section will be announced when the section change is announced.
setting
Edit‑

 

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 



On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

 

That should have been, "over a decade now," not, "over a decade not."

You can also modify an optical mouse on desktops by taping over the opening for the laser on the bottom so that you can have real left and right click without the annoyance of mouse pointer movement, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:51 PM, Mark Arnold ABG wrote:
Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…
-
Mark,

           My recommendation of over a decade not to every one of the clients I've tutored is NOT to disable the mousepad, because having real left and right click hard buttons is just so useful, but to mask off the "thumbpad" area that causes the mouse pointer to move.  I have most commonly done this using a piece of cardboard of the thickness you typically find on the back of a notepad, cut to the necessary size, taped down on the left like that side is a book spine and on the right with a smaller tape tab, that can be easily lifted if desired to expose the "thumbpad" area for sighted assistants.

            It is just so handy to have real left and right click rather than using screen reader emulation to achieve same, and you can get that while easily preventing the issue you describe by masking off the area responsible for pointer movement.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Well, groups.io does use layout tables, so perhaps try turning off ignoring of layout tables in your screen reader and see if that works for you.. If not, I could see creating a javascript applet that might help if more than just you are interested. On Macintosh with VoiceOver, I can tell VoiceOver to interact with tables on the groups.io pages and then use next row twice to switch from message to message.
   

On Nov 15, 2020, at 16:56, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.

 

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

 

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

 

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

 

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

 

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.

 

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.

 

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.

 

Regards,

David



moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Madison Martin
 

The issue with that is that Jaws isn't on that list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: November 15, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hey there, Madison, BZ here again, grin! There's another way to do this in
windows ten. 1. Hit windows key plus r which will bring up the run dialog.
2. Type shell:appsfolder and then press enter. This will bring up a list of
all your applications. Down arrow until you hear jaws and then hit your
applications key and go down until you hear create shortcut and then press
enter. You'll get a message that will say something like do you want windows to
create a shortcut anyway and then press enter. I'm doing the message off the
top of my head so that's not the verbatim message you'll hear but this method
will create the jaws item on your desktop. If you're not comfortable doing this
and you need assistance, just let me know and
I'll be happy to help you. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I went
into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to create a
shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for Jaws
on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to start Jaws,
I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set or not. Thanks
Madison








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moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

David,

           I have just updated my tutorial, Searching the JAWS Group Archive, most of which is applicable to browsing and reading the regular Topics page for any given Groups.io group as well.

           I don't know why the table format that Groups.io has started to use is not working correctly with NVDA (and possibly JAWS) under Firefox, but it is working consistently under any Chromium-based browser I've used.  See if that helps out at all.

           As far as Groups.io "higher ups," though the service is seemingly huge, the development team is anything but.  Contacting them with your concerns via support@groups.io is the one and only mechanism I know of.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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