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List Rules When: Description: http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies
**List Policies** 1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated. 2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes. 3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject. 4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind. 5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration. 6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently. As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io James,
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Ann Byrne
thanks, Alan. that works. Not convenient, but workable. FS says you can't read just the visible text; fun to prove them wrong. (LOL)
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At 08:49 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote:
Hi Ann,
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Re: scripts for MS Teams
Tony
Just starting with Teams. I’m doing fairly well with the free scripts and have listened to the Hartgen audio description.
One thing I have run up against, and did not hear on the audio, is settings in Teams. Sharing my computer audio is easy but sharing my screen is a graphic that I can’t find and don’t always have sighted help available.
I assume there are probably other hidden controls as well. Does Hartgen’s scripts provide access to these controls?
Thanks
Tony
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams
Excellent feedback, just the kind of info I’m looking for about his scripts. How does it handle the teams and channels tab?
Thanks, Jason
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Hi:
I’ve been using ms Teams for almost 2 years now. Initially just used the scripts included with Jaws, then tried out the free scripts from Doug Lee, and a month ago purchased the Teams course as well as the scripts from Brian Hartgen.
The first thing I would like to point out about Brian’s scripts is that he has put a lot of emphasis on being efficient. There are lots of commands in his scripts that make a user extremely efficient when working with Teams.
e.g.
Although I’ve been using ms teams for almost 2 years, I’ve experienced some difficulties in areas like working with team feeds as compared to the chats So I’ve found his ms teams course extremely helpful.
Note: I’ve attended webinars from both Microsoft Accessibility desk, and Vispero. These webinars were good to get you going, but to really use the full capability of ms teams Brian’s course is great.
So if you are concerned with being as efficient when working with ms Teams as your sighted colleagues then Brian’s course and scripts are worth the cost. As well Brian fully supports his work, he has an email group for questions and one can always ask for new features to be included in the scripts and if they make sense he adds them.
Anyways, I’m very happy with both the course and the scripts.
If you have any other specific questions please feel free to write me at any time.
Have a nice day.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
------------------------------------------------------------- What does the Brian Hartgen scripts offer that JFW does not already include in the out of the box scripts? I’m looking for impressions from those who have used both.
Thanks, Jason
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi Milton and all,
Thank you for the information.
Cheers, Rob
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Hi you can find old scripts at:
I believe these scripts are free but they are not up-to-date.
You can buy scripts from Brian Hartgen as he has done a webinar and has scripts that you can buy from his website at:
Payment can be made through Paypal
HTH
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi all,
I am looking for scripts to work with MS Teams. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Regards, Rob The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender. The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Hi Ann,
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The best workaround I've come up with to give you what you want is to turn on wrap text for the format of the column you're checking as explained in my previous post. When you place focus on the cell with the text you're checking, for example the cell containing Wednesday is the middle of the week per your original post, press F2 to edit that cell, and press ctrl + home, Fusion speaks what is displayed in line 1 of the wrapped text. It will speak the other wrapped lines as you arrow up and down while in edit mode. Based on what is spoken for the first line, you can work out what is truncated when wrap text is turned off. I hope this helps. Alan Lemly
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading visible text in a cell Thank you. I don't want to change the size of the cell. what I want is to know which characters are visible on the screen when a cell is truncated. At 05:50 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote: Hi Ann
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Hi Ann,
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Thanks for letting us know of the Vispero response that there is no way to set JAWS to only read the visible text. I'm not sure I agree with their suggestion that your best bet is to widen the column to fit. That sort of depends on who's using the spreadsheet and what your ultimate goal is as well as the data being displayed. I prefer to select the column, press ctrl + 1 to open the formatting dialog, and press ctrl + tab or ctrl + shift + tab to move to the Alignment tab, and press alt + w to check the wrap text checkbox followed by enter. This will cause the text in that cell to wrap and display on as many lines as needed based on the column width. It appears much better visually especially when the column contains text entries of various widths. Alan Lemly
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 5:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading visible text in a cell thanks for the response. Here's what Vispero says: Thank you for contacting Technical Support. Unfortunately, there is no way to just have JAWS read the visible text. your best bet here is to widen the column so that all the text will fit. At 02:19 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote: Ann,
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
NFB Lab 4
Hi Ann,
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I hope some of this sheds some light on your issue. To turn on cell text announcement you hit insert v for quick settings while in excel. Type in cell text and arrow down to cell text visability detect and space to turn it on. This will announce when something is truncated. Now, As far as I know there is no way to have it tell you what is shown, but remember that 10 characters can be seen with the default column width and font size. . Sorry if this didn't help. Take care, Thom
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading visible text in a cell Thank you. I don't want to change the size of the cell. what I want is to know which characters are visible on the screen when a cell is truncated. At 05:50 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote: Hi Ann
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Re: sluggish Thunderbird email client
Chris Hill
No idea, have been using it for years. About all I can suggest is turn the message pane off under view, that might slow it down.
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CH
On 6/30/2021 18:20, leonard morris wrote:
I am using Thunderbird email V78 and Jaws 2021. I have noticed Thunderbird is very sluggish when typing or navigating using the arrow keys. Do you have any suggestions how to fix this issue?
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Ann Byrne
Thank you. I don't want to change the size of the cell. what I want is to know which characters are visible on the screen when a cell is truncated.
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At 05:50 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote:
Hi Ann
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sluggish Thunderbird email client
leonard morris
I am using Thunderbird email V78 and Jaws 2021. I have noticed Thunderbird is very sluggish when typing or navigating using the arrow keys. Do you have any suggestions how to fix this issue?
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Re: scripts for MS Teams
Boston, Jason W
Excellent feedback, just the kind of info I’m looking for about his scripts. How does it handle the teams and channels tab?
Thanks, Jason
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shan Noyes
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 2:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams
Hi:
I’ve been using ms Teams for almost 2 years now. Initially just used the scripts included with Jaws, then tried out the free scripts from Doug Lee, and a month ago purchased the Teams course as well as the scripts from Brian Hartgen.
The first thing I would like to point out about Brian’s scripts is that he has put a lot of emphasis on being efficient. There are lots of commands in his scripts that make a user extremely efficient when working with Teams.
e.g.
Although I’ve been using ms teams for almost 2 years, I’ve experienced some difficulties in areas like working with team feeds as compared to the chats So I’ve found his ms teams course extremely helpful.
Note: I’ve attended webinars from both Microsoft Accessibility desk, and Vispero. These webinars were good to get you going, but to really use the full capability of ms teams Brian’s course is great.
So if you are concerned with being as efficient when working with ms Teams as your sighted colleagues then Brian’s course and scripts are worth the cost. As well Brian fully supports his work, he has an email group for questions and one can always ask for new features to be included in the scripts and if they make sense he adds them.
Anyways, I’m very happy with both the course and the scripts.
If you have any other specific questions please feel free to write me at any time.
Have a nice day.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
------------------------------------------------------------- What does the Brian Hartgen scripts offer that JFW does not already include in the out of the box scripts? I’m looking for impressions from those who have used both.
Thanks, Jason
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi Milton and all,
Thank you for the information.
Cheers, Rob
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Hi you can find old scripts at:
I believe these scripts are free but they are not up-to-date.
You can buy scripts from Brian Hartgen as he has done a webinar and has scripts that you can buy from his website at:
Payment can be made through Paypal
HTH
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi all,
I am looking for scripts to work with MS Teams. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Regards, Rob The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Rebecca Clark
Hi Ann 1.Select the Column you are in with Ctrl+ Space
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Re: question
Milton Ota
In that same section you also have a checkbox to change messages at the left of the braille display. If it is checked, press the spacebar and uncheck the box.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 5:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: question yes I found it but it saying none and I still have funny letter front still there thankds Rosie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:54 PM To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: question I don't know if it will work with Windows 7 but you will find it by
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Re: question
meow meow
yes I found it but it saying none
and I still have funny letter front still there thankds Rosie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:54 PM To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: question I don't know if it will work with Windows 7 but you will find it by doing the following:
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Ann Byrne
thanks for the response. Here's what Vispero says:
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Thank you for contacting Technical Support. Unfortunately, there is no way to just have JAWS read the visible text. your best bet here is to widen the column so that all the text will fit.
At 02:19 PM 6/30/2021, you wrote:
Ann,
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Re: question
Milton Ota
I don't know if it will work with Windows 7 but you will find it by doing the following:
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1. Hold the Insert Key and press the number 6 in the number row of the main keyboard. 2. Press and hold down Ctrl + Shft and press the letter D. 3. Tab Once and arrow down to Braille and press the right arrow key. This will open the sub-section of Braille and down arrow to Advance. 4. Press your right arrow key to open another subsection and you will see the setting for the status cells and if you want to turn it off, keep pressing your spacebar until you hear none. HTH
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:30 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: question Hi I wonder if anyone know how to turn off I think it call status cell that I could not find it from jaw 21 window 7. thanks Rosie
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question
meow meow
Hi
I wonder if anyone know how to turn off I think it call status cell that I could not find it from jaw 21 window 7. thanks Rosie
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Re: scripts for MS Teams
Shan Noyes
Hi:
I’ve been using ms Teams for almost 2 years now. Initially just used the scripts included with Jaws, then tried out the free scripts from Doug Lee, and a month ago purchased the Teams course as well as the scripts from Brian Hartgen.
The first thing I would like to point out about Brian’s scripts is that he has put a lot of emphasis on being efficient. There are lots of commands in his scripts that make a user extremely efficient when working with Teams.
e.g.
Although I’ve been using ms teams for almost 2 years, I’ve experienced some difficulties in areas like working with team feeds as compared to the chats So I’ve found his ms teams course extremely helpful.
Note: I’ve attended webinars from both Microsoft Accessibility desk, and Vispero. These webinars were good to get you going, but to really use the full capability of ms teams Brian’s course is great.
So if you are concerned with being as efficient when working with ms Teams as your sighted colleagues then Brian’s course and scripts are worth the cost. As well Brian fully supports his work, he has an email group for questions and one can always ask for new features to be included in the scripts and if they make sense he adds them.
Anyways, I’m very happy with both the course and the scripts.
If you have any other specific questions please feel free to write me at any time.
Have a nice day.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams
------------------------------------------------------------- What does the Brian Hartgen scripts offer that JFW does not already include in the out of the box scripts? I’m looking for impressions from those who have used both.
Thanks, Jason
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi Milton and all,
Thank you for the information.
Cheers, Rob
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Hi you can find old scripts at:
I believe these scripts are free but they are not up-to-date.
You can buy scripts from Brian Hartgen as he has done a webinar and has scripts that you can buy from his website at:
Payment can be made through Paypal
HTH
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Hi all,
I am looking for scripts to work with MS Teams. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Regards, Rob The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Scott Pearl
Ann,
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I'm sorry this doesn't totally answer your question but it may help a little. If you go into JAWS Quick Settings with insert-V, then in the edit box type in "cell text visibility" it should come up with that option. If you enable this option it will tell you if it overlaps and about how many cells it overlaps to. But, unfortunately, I'm not aware of how to get it to read only the text you're seeking.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:42 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading visible text in a cell thanks, Justin. F2 reads the full contents of the cell, whether it is visible on the screen or not. I want a command that reads only the 8 or so characters in the cell I am in, not the total contents that overflow behind the next cell. At 08:45 AM 6/30/2021, you wrote: F2 will read text in a cell.
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Justin Williams
What was the solution?
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Justin
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 11:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading visible text in a cell seeing your response to Justin's post, I misunderstood your question. But I'm glad it's been solved for you. -------- Original Message -------- From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Reading visible text in a cell Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 10:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Using Excel 2019 with JAWS 2021 latest, I can't read visible text with the JAWS cursor. At 08:33 AM 6/30/2021, you wrote: using the JAWS cursor to read the text on the screen is the only way that I'm aware of. if there's another way, I'd like to know as well. -------- Original Message -------- From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Reading visible text in a cell Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 8:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io The text "Wednesday is the middle of the week" has been entered into cell a1 of a spreadsheet with default width of 8.11 points. It overlaps, of course into at least the next two cells. How can I determine what is actually displayed in a1? F2 reads all the text, whether displayed or not. Routing JAWS to PC speaks What else can I try? Thx, 'blank'. . .
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Re: Reading visible text in a cell
Mario
seeing your response to Justin's post, I misunderstood your question. But I'm glad it's been solved for you.
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From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Reading visible text in a cell Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 10:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Using Excel 2019 with JAWS 2021 latest, I can't read visible text with the JAWS cursor. At 08:33 AM 6/30/2021, you wrote: using the JAWS cursor to read the text on the screen is the only way that I'm aware of. if there's another way, I'd like to know as well. -------- Original Message -------- From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Reading visible text in a cell Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 8:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io The text "Wednesday is the middle of the week" has been entered into cell a1 of a spreadsheet with default width of 8.11 points. It overlaps, of course into at least the next two cells. How can I determine what is actually displayed in a1? F2 reads all the text, whether displayed or not. Routing JAWS to PC speaks What else can I try? Thx, 'blank'. . .
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