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moderated Re: Status for edge?

Richard Turner
 

I had installed the chromium version before updating to Windows 10, 2004, so I cannot say if 2004 includes the chromium version: check your version number; this is what I have:
Microsoft Edge Version 83.0.478.50
I use it now pretty much all the time.
Now with Windows 10 2004, Firefox is behaving itself again so I also use Firefox if Edge isn't doing it for me.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Klaus Vielhauer
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:42 AM
To: Jaws Forum <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Status for edge?

Hello,


Yesterday  I have upgraded  the windows 2004 and the latest version of Jaws.

I have  used Internet  explorerup to now.

It was mentioned previously that the "Edge Browser" with the 2004 update may have the merger with chromium?

What is the trend to go regarding browser with Jaws?


Klaus


moderated Status for edge?

Klaus Vielhauer
 

Hello,


Yesterday  I have upgraded  the windows 2004 and the latest version of Jaws.

I have  used Internet  explorerup to now.

It was mentioned previously that the "Edge Browser" with the 2004 update may have the merger with chromium?

What is the trend to go regarding browser with Jaws?


Klaus


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Patrick Murphy
 

Well said Adrian!!!

 

I understand, to some degree, that there are various laws and such things in other countries that may cause companies to change their sales models.

However, I do not pretend to understand in great detail.

I am sure, that a good many of you out there, have a much better understanding of this type of thing, as you may have more exposure to it through your businesses etc.

Take for example Netflix. They have different content in different parts of the world. However, this is due to copyright problems.

Freedom scientific owns jaws. There is no copyright issue here that I can see.

How they choose to sell it is their prerogative.

As I understand it, there should be no problem using the same licencing model in the u.s. as anywhere else.

Maybe this is not the case though.

However, the aim of any company is to attract new customers. Given the problems with jaws2020, and there would seem to be a good few, given the various messages on this forum, they should be doing everything they can to attract/keep their customers.

Add to that, the expense of upgrading/buying the product, as I have said before.

Lack of testing also is an issue. We have seen problems with basic windows apps in windows 10.

I have used the example of Netflix before. Huge company, no testing.

Also, I have seen recent posts on this forum about facebook. Again, lack of testing.

Before someone jumps all over me, I realize, that not everything can be tested with jaws.

However, large apps that are out there should be, if you want to sell a quality product.

I also realize, that things such as facebook and Netflix can change their layout, which can lead to accessibility problems.

However, if you are releasing several updates a year, why not keep an eye on the big companies?

Surely, Netflix and facebook for example would love to say that they were completely accessible?

However, that would mean freedom scientific having to work directly with those companies.

They cannot even get it right with windows 10 for god sake.

Personally, I have been in touch with Netflix in Ireland, and was told, that they would love to work with companies in relation to accessibility, but they had received no such offers. Obviously, I cannot say that this is completely true.

Given that freedom scientific are the market leader, there is a lot of wind blowing about from them, but very little substance when it comes to improvement.

In Ireland, I cannot get support directly from them. I have to go through sight and sound in the u.k.

Nine times out of ten, they don’t know what they are looking at in terms of problems.

In fact, when I had the authorization problem with 2020, it was one of you good people that were able to explain it to me.

Sight and sound hadn’t a clue!!!

Freedom scientific really need to look at what they are producing, and where exactly they think their customer base is going to be in the future.

Greed and disregard for your customers will come back to bite you eventually.

To anyone reading this, I am extremely sorry for the ranting!!!

Its just, that I have had enough of this type of thing. I pay a fortune for upgrades, only to suffer from authorization problems, crashes etc, and can get no help other than from you helpful and kindly people.

So much so, that shortly, I will probably abandon jaws in favour of nvda. This is open source, costs nothing, and the suggestions given by its users are actually taken seriously.

 

Kind regards,

pat

Sen

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday 18 June 2020 13:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Cristóbal,

 

No question, Vispero has done a good deed by making its software available for free to Americans and extending a 20% discount for subsequent purchases during this phase of the pandemic. But it makes sense for people who feel excluded from the offer to resent it.

 

Since this issue has aroused interest on this list and I've been urged to support my previous post, here goes.

 

As Brian wrote so emphatically, Vispero/freedom Scientific is not a charity. It follows that they didn't give away temporary free use of their software for purely altruistic reasons. Presumably, they hope to attract new customers, and they hope to retain those customers by offering a 20% discount once the "free" offer expires. But it's this relationship between a seller and its customers that makes demands by excluded customers completely reasonable even—actually, above all—in what Brian insists is a capitalist model. Customers have every right to ask to be included. I'm not sure why anyone would lash out at them.

 

The word "capitalism" comes from "capital." As Adam Smith, considered the father of capitalism explained, family businesses had been unable to grow from generation to generation. It was only when they gained access to third-party financing that they could expand, hire people outside the family and thus improve quality of life for society in general. At least, that was the theory, and it makes sense so long as government provided a safety net for those unable to participate fully in the capitalist model. Smith understood and advocated this role of government. It's the part of his capitalist model that notoriously got overlooked for a very long time.

 

Vispero and similar accessibility businesses would not exist were it not for the Americans with Disabilities Act. Through the ADA, Congress put the law and governmental resources behind the movement to enable disabled people to participate fully in society. To this end, government combined with businesses to advance a social objective along Smith's capitalist lines.

 

Nations around the world have adopted laws similar to our ADA. Since Vispero says it operates in ninety countries, we would expect its policies to be consistent, the way they are here in the U.S. While Vispero is not a charity, it is participating in a broad social movement backed by the law and government policy.

 

But even if you don't accept a reciprocal relationship between a business's mission and social policies, I go back to my original point. What is wrong with a Vispero customer in New Zealand, Canada or elsewhere speaking up for treatment similar to what Vispero provides Americans? Like any business, Vispero ultimately depends on the goodwill of its customers. Think of all the companies around the world currently issuing statements in support of Black Lives Matter and, to take a specific instance, Quaker Foods elimination of the Aunt Jemimah brand because of its racist connotations. You don't have to agree with these actions to see how social movements affect customer relations.

I didn't understand the harsh rejection of posts from non-Americans urging similar treatment by Vispero in their countries. Their posts made perfect sense from both business and philosophical points of view. That's why I felt compelled to post.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Seriously… No good deed goes unpunished.

Vispero didn’t have to do the initial offer to begin with  or even extend  it to anyone at all.

 

 

On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:10 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread.

Then, Mr.Spratt, take the time to elaborate that "more sophisticated understanding."

You really like to throw shade, but nothing that's been said here is not factual.  And people who cry "Discrimination!!" when there is not are not doing anyone any favors.  Nor are those who are demanding things that cannot be provided for a variety of reasons, or they likely would be.  The PR itself would be worth it if it were simple to do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Adrian Spratt
 

Cristóbal,

 

No question, Vispero has done a good deed by making its software available for free to Americans and extending a 20% discount for subsequent purchases during this phase of the pandemic. But it makes sense for people who feel excluded from the offer to resent it.

 

Since this issue has aroused interest on this list and I've been urged to support my previous post, here goes.

 

As Brian wrote so emphatically, Vispero/freedom Scientific is not a charity. It follows that they didn't give away temporary free use of their software for purely altruistic reasons. Presumably, they hope to attract new customers, and they hope to retain those customers by offering a 20% discount once the "free" offer expires. But it's this relationship between a seller and its customers that makes demands by excluded customers completely reasonable even—actually, above all—in what Brian insists is a capitalist model. Customers have every right to ask to be included. I'm not sure why anyone would lash out at them.

 

The word "capitalism" comes from "capital." As Adam Smith, considered the father of capitalism explained, family businesses had been unable to grow from generation to generation. It was only when they gained access to third-party financing that they could expand, hire people outside the family and thus improve quality of life for society in general. At least, that was the theory, and it makes sense so long as government provided a safety net for those unable to participate fully in the capitalist model. Smith understood and advocated this role of government. It's the part of his capitalist model that notoriously got overlooked for a very long time.

 

Vispero and similar accessibility businesses would not exist were it not for the Americans with Disabilities Act. Through the ADA, Congress put the law and governmental resources behind the movement to enable disabled people to participate fully in society. To this end, government combined with businesses to advance a social objective along Smith's capitalist lines.

 

Nations around the world have adopted laws similar to our ADA. Since Vispero says it operates in ninety countries, we would expect its policies to be consistent, the way they are here in the U.S. While Vispero is not a charity, it is participating in a broad social movement backed by the law and government policy.

 

But even if you don't accept a reciprocal relationship between a business's mission and social policies, I go back to my original point. What is wrong with a Vispero customer in New Zealand, Canada or elsewhere speaking up for treatment similar to what Vispero provides Americans? Like any business, Vispero ultimately depends on the goodwill of its customers. Think of all the companies around the world currently issuing statements in support of Black Lives Matter and, to take a specific instance, Quaker Foods elimination of the Aunt Jemimah brand because of its racist connotations. You don't have to agree with these actions to see how social movements affect customer relations.

I didn't understand the harsh rejection of posts from non-Americans urging similar treatment by Vispero in their countries. Their posts made perfect sense from both business and philosophical points of view. That's why I felt compelled to post.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Seriously… No good deed goes unpunished.

Vispero didn’t have to do the initial offer to begin with  or even extend  it to anyone at all.

 



On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:10 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread.

Then, Mr.Spratt, take the time to elaborate that "more sophisticated understanding."

You really like to throw shade, but nothing that's been said here is not factual.  And people who cry "Discrimination!!" when there is not are not doing anyone any favors.  Nor are those who are demanding things that cannot be provided for a variety of reasons, or they likely would be.  The PR itself would be worth it if it were simple to do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Vaughan Dodd
 

A perfectly reasonable suggestion Adrian.

 

Thanks.

 

Vaughan.

 

Vaughan Dodd

Vdodd001@...

+6421 784 856.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2020 10:11 am
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Vaughan and the others writing from outside the U.S.,

 

I’m sorry this thread became so political. I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread. If you haven’t already, you might alert Vispero to your concerns. They need to know you’ve noticed and that it troubles you.

 

All the best.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

I live in Canada too and assuming this would be the case.

I used to deal with Richard from Frontier computing back in the day. It was great – prompt responses, great customer service, very honest and up front.

These days it’s a dealer in Quebec that, not only have I never heard of, last time I bought an SMA, attempted to over charge me before I called them out, took 6 days to call back, and, though they took my money immediately, took a week and a half to actually send me confirmation that yes, my SMA had, in fact, been approved and renewed.

It’s really a shame as customer service from first party (Vispero) Is absolutely great. Of course, I may be in the minority here. Your mileage may vary and things may have improved since here in Canada. I really hope this is the case.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

So since I live in Canada I assume that I can’t take advantage of this either right?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: June 17, 2020 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

I am by no means a defender of Freedom Scientific, but there are business and licensing issues when dealing in a foreign country that make it very difficult for businesses to operate the same way as in the United States.

So, start lobbying with your government to get things changed.

 

A lot of companies have to deal with vendors in other countries rather than selling directly to individuals.

 

I don’t pretend to understand the ins and outs of international sales, so I should shut up now.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

HI Pat and list.

 

Generally, Freedom Scientific or its latest incarnation treats international customers poorly.

 

I am not affected by this extension, as I have Professional, but it seems that Freedom Scientific service provision in my part of the World, (New Zealand) has suffered by recent events.

 

It would be nice if Vispero actually took its international customers seriously rather than putting all of the responsibility on small dealerships who are struggling.

 

Sigh!

 

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaughan Dodd

Vdodd001@...

+6421 784 856.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 7:59 pm
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Why that’s just great!!!

Why not make the rest of us unequal to those in the u.s. by not allowing anyone in Ireland for example, take advantage of the same thing.

This, to me, is discrimination.

 

Thanks for nothing!!!

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday 17 June 2020 02:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software Until August 31, 2020.

Extended Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

First and foremost, we hope that you and your family are safe and well.

 

Thank you for taking advantage of the free home access of JAWS, Fusion and ZoomText. Our goal is simply to help you remain accessible as you work and study remotely. Due to Covid-19, and the impact to our customers, during Summer Schools sessions especially, we have decided to extend the expiration date on the Free June 30th software licenses to August 31, 2020. Your license will automatically be extended so there is nothing extra for you to do.

 

As many people have requested to continue using the product past the August 31st expiration, we are offering a 20% discount to anyone in the United States to extend their Home Annual License if you purchase your renewal before July 31st. All you need to do to take advantage of this offer is to go into the software portal prior to July 31st and choose the Renewal Option and select 1, 3, or 5 years for the Home Annual license of that product and the renewal time will begin after the August 31st date.

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: problem since recent update

Mike B
 


In case someone else encounters the same problem, how did you fix it?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: problem since recent update

All fixed! Thank you.
Verlyn


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Cristóbal
 

Seriously… No good deed goes unpunished.
Vispero didn’t have to do the initial offer to begin with  or even extend  it to anyone at all.


On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:10 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread.
Then, Mr.Spratt, take the time to elaborate that "more sophisticated understanding."

You really like to throw shade, but nothing that's been said here is not factual.  And people who cry "Discrimination!!" when there is not are not doing anyone any favors.  Nor are those who are demanding things that cannot be provided for a variety of reasons, or they likely would be.  The PR itself would be worth it if it were simple to do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: problem since recent update

Verlyn Baldwin
 

All fixed! Thank you.
Verlyn


moderated Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

Mike B
 

Hi Justin,
 
From your desktop navigate to any icon and press, control + spacebar, and Jaws should report not selected.  This what is meant by the term, No Focus for any place on the desktop.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

Hello, group,

 

Specific to this post, How do I get to a place on the desktop where there is no focus in setting up a shortcut. Do I close all windows? As I recall, I focus on the JAWS and then implement the steps in the process of putting an incon on the desktop?

 

I would appreciate some clarification.

 

Best, Justin


moderated Re: Antivirus software.

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. Some good antivirus programs respond this way, such as Microsoft Windows Defender, but I don't know if they all do. I would check MSSE to make sure it is not still active and fighting with Eset.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

Glenn,

 

If you turned on Eset and made it your default antivirus program, that turned MSSE off, the way I understand it.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

 

This is interesting, I haven't been able to send eMail because my ISP apparently blocked me sending because of a virus.

I just did a full Eset scan on Monday and it found nothing.

I have Malware Bytes still installed.

So I checked Security Essentials, and it hasn't been updated in a while.

I thought it should always do that, but apparently it must have been turned off by something.

I'm using Windows 7.

So last night I updated security essentials and started a full scan, and today I checked it and it had found two Trojans, so I cleaned those.

Now I may need for my ISP to unlock my mailbox before the list gets this.

So it seems Microsoft's scanner is good, if it does not get shut off, which perhaps a virus did, or one of the other two programs that scan for viruses did.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

I never really anticipated Malwarebytes as a  replacement  for anti-virus software either.

To be honest it has been years and years since I have had  any such problems which has probably made me complacent. 

I installed Malwarebytes without any real expectation of having to use it,  rather because I bought it years ago and thought it was silly not to use it as a form of insurance.

On my Desktop it has never been used.

Really I was relying on Windows Defender for anti virus which was why I was surprised that Malwarebytes flagged up a Trojan that Windows Defender was oblivious of. For reason stated earlier I am convinced this was not a false positive.

I am happy to be corrected  but my understanding is that trojans are viruses rather than simple browser based Malware code.

As I say I used to use ESET Smart Secuirty for years also but could not see the point in continuing to use a product that I could increasingly not accessibly interact with. lp to deal with it which defeats the point really.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 09 June 2020 23:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

MalwareBytes claims that the latest 4.X releases can be used as an antivirus program (not the free, on-demand only version.) However, because they don't use standard definition or signature files I feel a bit jittery depending on it as my main security tool. Their reasons for why this is a nonissue are somewhat compelling and I realize that standard definition files are not the only way to protect a computer. Still I am not comfortable using it as my sole or even my primary security tool.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/9/2020 12:55 PM, Blind Tech tutorials And Tips wrote:

Hi,

You can use malware bites, it is about 90% accessible, and mostly useable, and it is a very strong anti-virus software, most prefer it ove others. Yes windows defender is the most accessible, but if you want a better antivirus, that is accessible 90% of the time and is much more secure than windows defender, I would go for malware bites.

 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:20 PM david Jennette <dcjenn@...> wrote:

I sent this an hour or so ago but didn’t see it post to the list so I’m going to try again. Sorry if you all get the message a second time.

I’m wondering if windows defender is still the best antivirus software to use with jaws or if there are now other packages that are accessible now. I figured I’d ask because some time has passed and things might have changed. Thanks.

 


moderated Re: Antivirus software.

Mike B
 


Glenn,
 
If you turned on Eset and made it your default antivirus program, that turned MSSE off, the way I understand it.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.


This is interesting, I haven't been able to send eMail because my ISP apparently blocked me sending because of a virus.
I just did a full Eset scan on Monday and it found nothing.
I have Malware Bytes still installed.
So I checked Security Essentials, and it hasn't been updated in a while.
I thought it should always do that, but apparently it must have been turned off by something.
I'm using Windows 7.
So last night I updated security essentials and started a full scan, and today I checked it and it had found two Trojans, so I cleaned those.
Now I may need for my ISP to unlock my mailbox before the list gets this.
So it seems Microsoft's scanner is good, if it does not get shut off, which perhaps a virus did, or one of the other two programs that scan for viruses did.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

I never really anticipated Malwarebytes as a  replacement  for anti-virus software either.

To be honest it has been years and years since I have had  any such problems which has probably made me complacent. 

I installed Malwarebytes without any real expectation of having to use it,  rather because I bought it years ago and thought it was silly not to use it as a form of insurance.

On my Desktop it has never been used.

Really I was relying on Windows Defender for anti virus which was why I was surprised that Malwarebytes flagged up a Trojan that Windows Defender was oblivious of. For reason stated earlier I am convinced this was not a false positive.

I am happy to be corrected  but my understanding is that trojans are viruses rather than simple browser based Malware code.

As I say I used to use ESET Smart Secuirty for years also but could not see the point in continuing to use a product that I could increasingly not accessibly interact with. lp to deal with it which defeats the point really.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 09 June 2020 23:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

MalwareBytes claims that the latest 4.X releases can be used as an antivirus program (not the free, on-demand only version.) However, because they don't use standard definition or signature files I feel a bit jittery depending on it as my main security tool. Their reasons for why this is a nonissue are somewhat compelling and I realize that standard definition files are not the only way to protect a computer. Still I am not comfortable using it as my sole or even my primary security tool.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/9/2020 12:55 PM, Blind Tech tutorials And Tips wrote:

Hi,

You can use malware bites, it is about 90% accessible, and mostly useable, and it is a very strong anti-virus software, most prefer it ove others. Yes windows defender is the most accessible, but if you want a better antivirus, that is accessible 90% of the time and is much more secure than windows defender, I would go for malware bites.

 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:20 PM david Jennette <dcjenn@...> wrote:

I sent this an hour or so ago but didn’t see it post to the list so I’m going to try again. Sorry if you all get the message a second time.

I’m wondering if windows defender is still the best antivirus software to use with jaws or if there are now other packages that are accessible now. I figured I’d ask because some time has passed and things might have changed. Thanks.

 


moderated Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

Bill White
 

Hi, Justin. If using Windows 10,

 

1. Close all windows.

2. Deselect all icons by typing CONTROL plus SPACE, until it says Not Selected.

3. Press Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, and arrow down to Create shortcut, and press ENTER.

4. When it asks for the location, paste in the location or URL for the shortcut, and press ENTER.

5. When it asks for the name of the shortcut, type in the desired name.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:18 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

 

Hello, group,

 

Specific to this post, How do I get to a place on the desktop where there is no focus in setting up a shortcut. Do I close all windows? As I recall, I focus on the JAWS and then implement the steps in the process of putting an incon on the desktop?

 

I would appreciate some clarification.

 

Best, Justin


moderated Re: Antivirus software.

Glenn / Lenny
 



This is interesting, I haven't been able to send eMail because my ISP apparently blocked me sending because of a virus.
I just did a full Eset scan on Monday and it found nothing.
I have Malware Bytes still installed.
So I checked Security Essentials, and it hasn't been updated in a while.
I thought it should always do that, but apparently it must have been turned off by something.
I'm using Windows 7.
So last night I updated security essentials and started a full scan, and today I checked it and it had found two Trojans, so I cleaned those.
Now I may need for my ISP to unlock my mailbox before the list gets this.
So it seems Microsoft's scanner is good, if it does not get shut off, which perhaps a virus did, or one of the other two programs that scan for viruses did.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

I never really anticipated Malwarebytes as a  replacement  for anti-virus software either.

To be honest it has been years and years since I have had  any such problems which has probably made me complacent. 

I installed Malwarebytes without any real expectation of having to use it,  rather because I bought it years ago and thought it was silly not to use it as a form of insurance.

On my Desktop it has never been used.

Really I was relying on Windows Defender for anti virus which was why I was surprised that Malwarebytes flagged up a Trojan that Windows Defender was oblivious of. For reason stated earlier I am convinced this was not a false positive.

I am happy to be corrected  but my understanding is that trojans are viruses rather than simple browser based Malware code.

As I say I used to use ESET Smart Secuirty for years also but could not see the point in continuing to use a product that I could increasingly not accessibly interact with. lp to deal with it which defeats the point really.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 09 June 2020 23:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

 

MalwareBytes claims that the latest 4.X releases can be used as an antivirus program (not the free, on-demand only version.) However, because they don't use standard definition or signature files I feel a bit jittery depending on it as my main security tool. Their reasons for why this is a nonissue are somewhat compelling and I realize that standard definition files are not the only way to protect a computer. Still I am not comfortable using it as my sole or even my primary security tool.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/9/2020 12:55 PM, Blind Tech tutorials And Tips wrote:

Hi,

You can use malware bites, it is about 90% accessible, and mostly useable, and it is a very strong anti-virus software, most prefer it ove others. Yes windows defender is the most accessible, but if you want a better antivirus, that is accessible 90% of the time and is much more secure than windows defender, I would go for malware bites.

 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:20 PM david Jennette <dcjenn@...> wrote:

I sent this an hour or so ago but didn’t see it post to the list so I’m going to try again. Sorry if you all get the message a second time.

I’m wondering if windows defender is still the best antivirus software to use with jaws or if there are now other packages that are accessible now. I figured I’d ask because some time has passed and things might have changed. Thanks.

 


moderated Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

Justin Mcdevitt
 

Hello, group,

 

Specific to this post, How do I get to a place on the desktop where there is no focus in setting up a shortcut. Do I close all windows? As I recall, I focus on the JAWS and then implement the steps in the process of putting an incon on the desktop?

 

I would appreciate some clarification.

 

Best, Justin


moderated Creating a desktop shortcut in Google Chrome

Bill White
 

Recently, Jessica asked a question about creating a desktop shortcut for a website in Microsoft Edge. There is also a similar tool in Google Chrome. To use it,

1. Open Google Chrome.

2. Open the website for which you want to create a shortcut.

3. Tap the ALT key and arrow up to More Tools, and press ENTER.

4. Arrow up to Create Shortcut.

5. This will place a shortcut on the desktop.

6. It will also place an entry for the site in your Start Menu under Recently-added apps, and possibly in All Apps.

 

Be aware that, even if you delete the shortcut which was placed on the desktop for the website, this will not delete the entries in the Start menu. If you want to delete these,

 

1. Press Windows key plus R, and in the "run" dialog, type

 

%APPDATA%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

 

2. You can either delete the subfolder here called Chrome Apps, or you can open this folder and delete any stored websites individually.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Video Chatting on Facebook Using JAWS

Rick Miller
 

Will this app work even with a PC?  I do not have a phone.  I have a Dell PC and I use Windows 10.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Chatting on Facebook Using JAWS

 

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about

Go to the messenger website. There is a direct link to the microsft store where the app can be downloaded. You can probably do a search at the store itself too but the last time I tried that, I couldn’t seem to get the right result to come up/activate so I think going through the web is preferrable, but it’s up to you.

Anyway, once you click “get”, the software will install. Once tha’ts done I open windows search and start typing in “messenger”. It will come up and you can work with it from there.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: June 16, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Chatting on Facebook Using JAWS

 

hi can you get the messenger app for your PC?

So that you don't have to go to the messenger web site to use it.

And if so where do you go to get it and what is the best way to install it?

On 6/16/2020 8:13 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Never tried using this feature, but you can download the messenger “app” and install that. It’s a Windows Store app. Go to

http://www.messenger.com

It has buttons to audio or video call people on your list. Not sure if there’s a way to do this from within browser or not…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: June 15, 2020 11:17 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Video Chatting on Facebook Using JAWS

 

Anyone:

 

I looked up the instructions about how to video chat with a friend on Facebook.  The first thing it says is “Click in the upper right of the screen.”  Is there any way using JAWS that you can video chat with someone?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

-- 
Casey


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:10 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread.
Then, Mr.Spratt, take the time to elaborate that "more sophisticated understanding."

You really like to throw shade, but nothing that's been said here is not factual.  And people who cry "Discrimination!!" when there is not are not doing anyone any favors.  Nor are those who are demanding things that cannot be provided for a variety of reasons, or they likely would be.  The PR itself would be worth it if it were simple to do.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Adrian Spratt
 

Vaughan and the others writing from outside the U.S.,

 

I’m sorry this thread became so political. I’d just like you to know that many Americans have a much more sophisticated understanding of the questions you raise than you’ve read in this thread. If you haven’t already, you might alert Vispero to your concerns. They need to know you’ve noticed and that it troubles you.

 

All the best.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

I live in Canada too and assuming this would be the case.

I used to deal with Richard from Frontier computing back in the day. It was great – prompt responses, great customer service, very honest and up front.

These days it’s a dealer in Quebec that, not only have I never heard of, last time I bought an SMA, attempted to over charge me before I called them out, took 6 days to call back, and, though they took my money immediately, took a week and a half to actually send me confirmation that yes, my SMA had, in fact, been approved and renewed.

It’s really a shame as customer service from first party (Vispero) Is absolutely great. Of course, I may be in the minority here. Your mileage may vary and things may have improved since here in Canada. I really hope this is the case.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

So since I live in Canada I assume that I can’t take advantage of this either right?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: June 17, 2020 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

I am by no means a defender of Freedom Scientific, but there are business and licensing issues when dealing in a foreign country that make it very difficult for businesses to operate the same way as in the United States.

So, start lobbying with your government to get things changed.

 

A lot of companies have to deal with vendors in other countries rather than selling directly to individuals.

 

I don’t pretend to understand the ins and outs of international sales, so I should shut up now.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

HI Pat and list.

 

Generally, Freedom Scientific or its latest incarnation treats international customers poorly.

 

I am not affected by this extension, as I have Professional, but it seems that Freedom Scientific service provision in my part of the World, (New Zealand) has suffered by recent events.

 

It would be nice if Vispero actually took its international customers seriously rather than putting all of the responsibility on small dealerships who are struggling.

 

Sigh!

 

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaughan Dodd

Vdodd001@...

+6421 784 856.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 7:59 pm
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Why that’s just great!!!

Why not make the rest of us unequal to those in the u.s. by not allowing anyone in Ireland for example, take advantage of the same thing.

This, to me, is discrimination.

 

Thanks for nothing!!!

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday 17 June 2020 02:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software Until August 31, 2020.

Extended Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

First and foremost, we hope that you and your family are safe and well.

 

Thank you for taking advantage of the free home access of JAWS, Fusion and ZoomText. Our goal is simply to help you remain accessible as you work and study remotely. Due to Covid-19, and the impact to our customers, during Summer Schools sessions especially, we have decided to extend the expiration date on the Free June 30th software licenses to August 31, 2020. Your license will automatically be extended so there is nothing extra for you to do.

 

As many people have requested to continue using the product past the August 31st expiration, we are offering a 20% discount to anyone in the United States to extend their Home Annual License if you purchase your renewal before July 31st. All you need to do to take advantage of this offer is to go into the software portal prior to July 31st and choose the Renewal Option and select 1, 3, or 5 years for the Home Annual license of that product and the renewal time will begin after the August 31st date.

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

Richard Turner
 

Amen to that!

No apology necessary.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Freedom Scientific: Freedom Scientific is extending the Free Home-Use Software For Those Affected by COVID-19

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Actually Brian, That was Vaughn quoting part of a message I sent. His sentient response was:

Then Freedom Scientific should not charge for products, services and accessories which it claims it cannot provide.


Richard, it was unclear and the attribution was as picked up by Groups.io, so I apologize to you.

And my "sentient" comment remains entirely appropriate for what Vaughn wrote.  He has posted several messages that reveal a gross lack of understanding of the basics of how both the free market and international commerce work.

No private entity has any obligation to provide you, any you, with anything beyond what you have paid for.  If they choose to do so, it should be considered a kindness, and it should be understood that those offers depend on an awful lot of things including laws and contracts.  Pretending otherwise is to be willfully foolish.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
If you open any page in edge, then press alt+f, to open the menu, you'll pind an option for, "install as app" its in the "apps" submenu. 

Thanks,
Jessica



On Jun 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Jessica. What exactly do you mean by "install them as apps"?

 

How did you do this?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

 

Hi,

Ok, great! 

Thank you so much. 

What I've done for now and this may be quicker, is to install them as apps, which puts them in alphabetical order, along with word, and such. 

 

Regards,

Jessica

 



On Jun 17, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Jessica. To add a note to Brian's suggestion, if you are unfamiliar as to how to obtain the current web address in Edge, do the following,

 

1. Open Edge, Open the web page for which you want to make a desktop shortcut.

2. Press ALT plus D for the address bar.

3. Copy that result to the clipboard with CONTROL plus C.

4. Proceed with Brian's instructions:

5.  Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus.  Then bring up the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu key, and select New,Shortcut from that menu.
6. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the Type the location of the item edit box, enter the web address you need to open, 
then activate the Next button.
7. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your choosing.  
8. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the name you choose on your desktop.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using edge, how do I add a site to my desktop as an icon?

 

Jessica,

           Presuming you have Edge set as your default browser, it's much easier just to set up a shortcut on the desktop yourself.

1.  Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus.  Then bring up the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu key, and select New,Shortcut from that menu.
2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the Type the location of the item edit box, enter the web address you need to open, 
then activate the Next button.
3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your choosing.  
4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the name you choose on your desktop.

That shortcut will open that web address in whatever browser you have defined as your default web browser.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss