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Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Maria Campbell
 

It is unchecked.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 7:40 PM, Bill White wrote:
There is a check box in Ease of Access Center which says
Always Scan this Section. My check box says unchecked. Perhaps if you open Ease of Access Center, and make sure the Always Scan This Section check box is unchecked, it won't continue to open sporadically.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

It is not Narrator itself that comes up, but the ease of access setting
with Narrator settings that opens. Narrator coming on automatically is
not checked. How do I stop ease of access from opening automatically?
This doesn't even happen all the time but sporadically.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 6:08 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Elaine. It doesn't matter, but there should be a button in the Narrator settings to close settings and keep them from coming up again when starting the PC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Young
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill, I too have the settings come up when I start my computer but only
sometimes. Other times it does not. I don't know why but my question is-
does it matter? I simply close the settings for narrator and continue as
normal.


Elaine


On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't think that is a VFO/Jaws issue. If Narrator settings come up at startup you should tab around because I'm pretty sure there is a checkbox where you can disable that.
My Windows 10 laptop does not open Settings when it comes up. I think those who have that issue should try and give Microsoft Accessibility a call and see if they can fix that.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I get the narrator settings coming up at boot up, and I just press alt F4 on it.
I think that VFO should work with Microsoft to fix this problem.


Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I too get windows settings opening at boot up. This started happening a
few weeks ago that I know of.

On 2/7/2018 5:21 AM, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi John,
I get the same.
What settings do you get when the computer starts?
Andrew
*From:* John Doering
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Hello:

Does anyone know why my Windows 10 system is opening the settings window
when started?

This started happening after the start of the new year.

Thanks,

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Specialist

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Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

There is a check box in Ease of Access Center which says
Always Scan this Section. My check box says unchecked. Perhaps if you open Ease of Access Center, and make sure the Always Scan This Section check box is unchecked, it won't continue to open sporadically.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

It is not Narrator itself that comes up, but the ease of access setting
with Narrator settings that opens. Narrator coming on automatically is
not checked. How do I stop ease of access from opening automatically?
This doesn't even happen all the time but sporadically.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 6:08 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Elaine. It doesn't matter, but there should be a button in the Narrator settings to close settings and keep them from coming up again when starting the PC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Young
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill, I too have the settings come up when I start my computer but only
sometimes. Other times it does not. I don't know why but my question is-
does it matter? I simply close the settings for narrator and continue as
normal.


Elaine


On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't think that is a VFO/Jaws issue. If Narrator settings come up at startup you should tab around because I'm pretty sure there is a checkbox where you can disable that.
My Windows 10 laptop does not open Settings when it comes up. I think those who have that issue should try and give Microsoft Accessibility a call and see if they can fix that.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I get the narrator settings coming up at boot up, and I just press alt F4 on it.
I think that VFO should work with Microsoft to fix this problem.


Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I too get windows settings opening at boot up. This started happening a
few weeks ago that I know of.

On 2/7/2018 5:21 AM, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi John,
I get the same.
What settings do you get when the computer starts?
Andrew
*From:* John Doering
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Hello:

Does anyone know why my Windows 10 system is opening the settings window
when started?

This started happening after the start of the new year.

Thanks,

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Specialist

wlmailhtml:John.Doering@ibsupply.com

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Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Carol Smith
 

Thanks a lot, Mike.  In the past, I have found CCleaner to be a bit aggressive.  Can I still choose items not to be deleted? 

Carik



On 2/7/2018 7:04 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
No, but in the later versions Jaws reads everything as buttons, so to make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
 
If you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, &
Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button.
Tab once arrow down to check box.
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok.
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis
Here are steps on how I use CCleaner:
From: Mike B.
 This is how I run CCleaner.
1. On the Windows tab.  I don't use the, Analyze, option, but I do the following:  Open CCleaner, Tab to, Cleaner, & press, Alt + R, to run.  When it finishes it lands on the, Analyze button, so I shift + tab to the list view of found items.  I select all, Control + A, press, Alt + R, to run again.  This now cleans out anything that was in that list view of found items, & I'm back on the, Analyze button.
 
2. Now, Shift + Tab, once or twice to the, Windows Tab, & right arrow to the, Applications Tab.  Press, Alt + r, to run, & when it finishes you'll be on the, Analyze button, so shift + tab, to the list view.  If there's anything there, I select all, & Alt + R, to run / remove these items.
 
3. Now I press, Alt + G, for the Registry cleaner, & press, Alt + S, to run  the registry cleaner .  When finished I land on, Scan for issues.  Shift + Tab, to the list view of found items.  I select all, tab to, Remove All, & press, Alt + S, to run / remove.  Note:  Since I didn't have anything to remove these steps are not verbatim.  If there's items to remove you'll get a message at this point asking if you would like to backup your registry before deleting.  I press, Alt + Y, for yes, & this is saved in My Documents.  Then press, Alt + S, to run / remove again.  Jaws will report how many items are in the list, & let's say Jaws reported 12 items, after you remove them you'll be in a window that with the Jaws cursor you can verify that all 12 items were removed.  It'll read something like, 12 / 12.  Tab to, Close, press enter, & usually it doesn't close the whole program, just the registry portion, so Alt + Tab, to find the CCleaner window, or press, Insert + F10, & find the program there, press enter on it, & Alt + F4 to close.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Thanks.  Is there a particular version I should use with screen readers? 

Carol


On 2/7/2018 2:58 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Yes you are correct, unchecked items  will not be bothered.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the information.  I probably did not know which things to check before.  Am I correct that items without a checkmark will not be bothered? 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 6:00 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Typically speaking the default settings of CCleaner shouldn't remove anything that could prove to be vital, but, that doesn't mean the default settings work / are best for everyone.  Navigating the settings is somewhat a pain in the rear, & the use of the Jaws cursor is necessary.  To take a look at the default settings, try the following:
1. Open CCleaner & tab to the Tree View.  These settings are for Windows & Internet Explorer.
Note: BE, EXTRA, CAREFUL, DOING, THE, FOLLOWING!
2. Rout the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, Jaws key + NumPad minus / Jaws cursor key.  Now arrow down, & many of the checkboxes Jaws will not announce unless you press the spacebar, but pay close attention to if Jaws reports checked or unchecked!  If you press the spacebar & Jaws reports, checked, that means that it was unchecked & you just checked it by pressing the spacebar.  So, press the spacebar again to uncheck it, & put the setting back to the default setting.
 
3. Tab 1 time & Jaws will report, Windows, so right arrow to, Applications.  These settings will be for Firefox & other browsers & programs.  Now, shift + tab to put you into the Tree Biew list of settings for these applications / programs.  Navigate these the same way as above, with extreme caution!
 
4. After you are through checking out the Windows & Application settings, tab to, Registry, & press the spacebar.  Jaws won't report anything, but it has been selected.
5. Tab to Tree View Registry Cleaner, & you will navigate this list of settings just like in step#2, with extreme caution!
 
Okay, the above is a quick explanation of how to navigate the settings for just a couple of tools that are available in CCleaner, but if you want to learn more about CCleaner it would be best to read aboutit from their Homepage.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Yes, but what about us folks that don't know which things should be removed?  I have had things disappear that I did not know about until I needed them.  I stopped using it because I couldn't figure out what things should stay or go.  Typically, I would not mess with anything having to do with the registry. 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 4:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
As a support technician you shouldn't assume that all Jaws / computer users are as experienced / savvy as yourself!  They're not asking for help because they find it easy!  Please give them tips on how to use the program as they asked instead of simply telling them it's easy!
Below are some tips:
One thing about CCleaner out of the box, Jaws reads everything as buttons.  To make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
From: Dennis L
Hi, if you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, & Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button. 
Tab once arrow down to check box. 
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok. 
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis   
 
From: Stormin
Once inside C-Cleaner:
A: Tab over to clean if that is your choice. Then  hit the space bar. Then
shift + tab to Analyze, press the spacebar, (you will hear the percentages) and then tab to
clean and what I do is shift tab back once and you will hear the list what
it found.  Press, Control + A, to highlight them all, tab to the Run Cleaner button, press the spacebar, the cleaner will remove everything that was selected, & you're done.
 
B: Doing the same but with the registry. Space bar and then tab to Scan and
percentages you will hear and then Highlight what It finds and tab to fix
enter and tab it will say fix or fix or repair all and ..
I am sure there is a person that can explain it much better than this farmer
up in Maine. Really easy to use the program. Along with using for removing
programs from  your computer if you like!
Geno
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

That app is very easy to use.

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

 

Don't quote me on this! My friend says it's a very visual thing, because i was hoping the same thing.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 19:54, Nino Dagostino wrote:

Hi:

 

Does any body know of a good tutorial for using ccleaner with Jaws?

 

Thank you, thank you for the warning about installing Avas.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

 

 
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Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Maria Campbell
 

It is not Narrator itself that comes up, but the ease of access setting with Narrator settings that opens.  Narrator coming on automatically is not checked.  How do I stop ease of access from opening automatically?  This doesn't even happen all the time but sporadically.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 6:08 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Elaine. It doesn't matter, but there should be a button in the Narrator settings to close settings and keep them from coming up again when starting the PC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Young
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill, I too have the settings come up when I start my computer but only
sometimes. Other times it does not. I don't know why but my question is-
does it matter? I simply close the settings for narrator and continue as
normal.


Elaine


On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't think that is a VFO/Jaws issue. If Narrator settings come up at startup you should tab around because I'm pretty sure there is a checkbox where you can disable that.
My Windows 10 laptop does not open Settings when it comes up. I think those who have that issue should try and give Microsoft Accessibility a call and see if they can fix that.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I get the narrator settings coming up at boot up, and I just press alt F4 on it.
I think that VFO should work with Microsoft to fix this problem.


Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I too get windows settings opening at boot up. This started happening a
few weeks ago that I know of.

On 2/7/2018 5:21 AM, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi John,
I get the same.
What settings do you get when the computer starts?
Andrew
*From:* John Doering
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Hello:

Does anyone know why my Windows 10 system is opening the settings window
when started?

This started happening after the start of the new year.

Thanks,

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Specialist

wlmailhtml:John.Doering@ibsupply.com

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apostrophe problem

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi gang: I read about someone who wanted to reduce the punctuation marks announced.  I often run into an issue where apostrophe is used at the beginning of a statement within a dialogue, and also at the end. I thought I should experiment with the dictionary manager and get a sound instead. Well, I got a sound, but it isn’t working the way I like, and I’d like to undo what I did. How on earth do I get rid of this? The apostrophe doesn’t show on my braille display either, so I really did something brilliant, hm.

 

Thankful for any help.

 

 

 

gudrunbrunot.com

Listen to samples and read about my services:

translation, interpreting, sound design, and listen to clips from my CD, J-Walking.

 


Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Carol,
 
No, but in the later versions Jaws reads everything as buttons, so to make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
 
If you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, &
Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button.
Tab once arrow down to check box.
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok.
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis
Here are steps on how I use CCleaner:
From: Mike B.
 This is how I run CCleaner.
1. On the Windows tab.  I don't use the, Analyze, option, but I do the following:  Open CCleaner, Tab to, Cleaner, & press, Alt + R, to run.  When it finishes it lands on the, Analyze button, so I shift + tab to the list view of found items.  I select all, Control + A, press, Alt + R, to run again.  This now cleans out anything that was in that list view of found items, & I'm back on the, Analyze button.
 
2. Now, Shift + Tab, once or twice to the, Windows Tab, & right arrow to the, Applications Tab.  Press, Alt + r, to run, & when it finishes you'll be on the, Analyze button, so shift + tab, to the list view.  If there's anything there, I select all, & Alt + R, to run / remove these items.
 
3. Now I press, Alt + G, for the Registry cleaner, & press, Alt + S, to run  the registry cleaner .  When finished I land on, Scan for issues.  Shift + Tab, to the list view of found items.  I select all, tab to, Remove All, & press, Alt + S, to run / remove.  Note:  Since I didn't have anything to remove these steps are not verbatim.  If there's items to remove you'll get a message at this point asking if you would like to backup your registry before deleting.  I press, Alt + Y, for yes, & this is saved in My Documents.  Then press, Alt + S, to run / remove again.  Jaws will report how many items are in the list, & let's say Jaws reported 12 items, after you remove them you'll be in a window that with the Jaws cursor you can verify that all 12 items were removed.  It'll read something like, 12 / 12.  Tab to, Close, press enter, & usually it doesn't close the whole program, just the registry portion, so Alt + Tab, to find the CCleaner window, or press, Insert + F10, & find the program there, press enter on it, & Alt + F4 to close.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Thanks.  Is there a particular version I should use with screen readers? 

Carol


On 2/7/2018 2:58 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Yes you are correct, unchecked items  will not be bothered.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the information.  I probably did not know which things to check before.  Am I correct that items without a checkmark will not be bothered? 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 6:00 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Typically speaking the default settings of CCleaner shouldn't remove anything that could prove to be vital, but, that doesn't mean the default settings work / are best for everyone.  Navigating the settings is somewhat a pain in the rear, & the use of the Jaws cursor is necessary.  To take a look at the default settings, try the following:
1. Open CCleaner & tab to the Tree View.  These settings are for Windows & Internet Explorer.
Note: BE, EXTRA, CAREFUL, DOING, THE, FOLLOWING!
2. Rout the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, Jaws key + NumPad minus / Jaws cursor key.  Now arrow down, & many of the checkboxes Jaws will not announce unless you press the spacebar, but pay close attention to if Jaws reports checked or unchecked!  If you press the spacebar & Jaws reports, checked, that means that it was unchecked & you just checked it by pressing the spacebar.  So, press the spacebar again to uncheck it, & put the setting back to the default setting.
 
3. Tab 1 time & Jaws will report, Windows, so right arrow to, Applications.  These settings will be for Firefox & other browsers & programs.  Now, shift + tab to put you into the Tree Biew list of settings for these applications / programs.  Navigate these the same way as above, with extreme caution!
 
4. After you are through checking out the Windows & Application settings, tab to, Registry, & press the spacebar.  Jaws won't report anything, but it has been selected.
5. Tab to Tree View Registry Cleaner, & you will navigate this list of settings just like in step#2, with extreme caution!
 
Okay, the above is a quick explanation of how to navigate the settings for just a couple of tools that are available in CCleaner, but if you want to learn more about CCleaner it would be best to read aboutit from their Homepage.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Yes, but what about us folks that don't know which things should be removed?  I have had things disappear that I did not know about until I needed them.  I stopped using it because I couldn't figure out what things should stay or go.  Typically, I would not mess with anything having to do with the registry. 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 4:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
As a support technician you shouldn't assume that all Jaws / computer users are as experienced / savvy as yourself!  They're not asking for help because they find it easy!  Please give them tips on how to use the program as they asked instead of simply telling them it's easy!
Below are some tips:
One thing about CCleaner out of the box, Jaws reads everything as buttons.  To make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
From: Dennis L
Hi, if you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, & Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button. 
Tab once arrow down to check box. 
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok. 
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis   
 
From: Stormin
Once inside C-Cleaner:
A: Tab over to clean if that is your choice. Then  hit the space bar. Then
shift + tab to Analyze, press the spacebar, (you will hear the percentages) and then tab to
clean and what I do is shift tab back once and you will hear the list what
it found.  Press, Control + A, to highlight them all, tab to the Run Cleaner button, press the spacebar, the cleaner will remove everything that was selected, & you're done.
 
B: Doing the same but with the registry. Space bar and then tab to Scan and
percentages you will hear and then Highlight what It finds and tab to fix
enter and tab it will say fix or fix or repair all and ..
I am sure there is a person that can explain it much better than this farmer
up in Maine. Really easy to use the program. Along with using for removing
programs from  your computer if you like!
Geno
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

That app is very easy to use.

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

 

Don't quote me on this! My friend says it's a very visual thing, because i was hoping the same thing.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 19:54, Nino Dagostino wrote:

Hi:

 

Does any body know of a good tutorial for using ccleaner with Jaws?

 

Thank you, thank you for the warning about installing Avas.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

 

 
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Re: Calculator problem Jaws 18

O.Addison Gethers
 

Here what I received from FS technical support below!!

From: VFO Technical Support [mailto:support@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 11:23 AM
To: 'O.AddisonGethers@...'
Subject: RE: Jaws 18 Calculator mode display issue

 

Hello Adison,

 

Thank you for contacting VFO™ Technical Support. Our Development team is aware of the issues with JAWS and the Windows 10 Calculator and they are working on resolving these in a future JAWS update. In the meantime, you will need to turn the Numlock off and invoke a SayLine (INSERT+UP ARROW) to read the current line.

 

 

 

Note: If replying to this message, please be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this matter so that we can better assist you.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Vicky Cardona JAWS & MAGic Certified

VFO Technical Support

+1(727)803-8600

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Click here for our knowledge base of Technical Support Notices

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculator problem Jaws 18

 

I did send fs email about this issue  with jaws 18 not saying anything when the numlock is on  I will forward or put it inhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

All you have to do to get Jaws to speak the result of the calculation is press Jaws Key+NumPad 8, the say line command. Yes, DFS is working on this and I assume it will be fixed in the next 4-6 weeks.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 5:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Oh Bill  so I guess you had the same problem with jaws not saying in calculator too. So you already had call fs technical support and they did jaws tandem didn’t solved the problem right?? Is this Microsoft problem with calculator not working with jaws?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Calling Technical support for JAWS won’t matter much, as they are already aware of this issue, and it should be fixed in JAWS 2018 in fifteen days or so. If you want to ask them about a JAWS 18 update which fixes your issue, you might call them with that issue.

 

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Bill so therefore I need to call fs technical support about this issue right??

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

This is a known issue with JAWS 18, and JAWS 2018 latest versions. Microsoft has changed the interface. JAWS says they will fix it in the February 2018 update to JAWS 2018.

 

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Hi All  I’m using jaws 18 on destop with window10!! When I went on desktop to press letter c til I hear it’s say calculator press enter,then it’s say calculator standard mode  display  I turn the numb lock on  when I press 5 jaws not saying nothing at all when I press the any number . What do I need to do get jaws to say when I press any number to add or subtract ?

Addison

 

 

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Re: jaws issues

Val Paul
 

You can say that again.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 23:13, Jennifer Jackson wrote:
I have a Dell. I did a Google search and found most of the hits to be confusing. I finally found one that suggested that I try the FN and F5 combo so I gave that one a shot. There seem to be a lot of variables that can affect what will work for you. It can be a little aggravating.


Jennifer J



On Feb 7, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Val Paul <vpcara79@...> wrote:

Hi Jennifer!

Which make of laptop do you have?

I have an Hp, and have been on to their site to try to find out the function keys to turn touchpad on and off, but have had no luck.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 22:44, Jennifer Jackson wrote:
I seem to have had success  toggling the touchpad with the FN and F5 combination. I use seem because JAWS does not actually say anything when I use the function key in any combination. I do appreciate having been inspired to figure out how to toggle the touchpad though as I think that is going to be very useful.


Jennifer J


On Feb 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

You might have a touch pad right under the keys that you might be hitting accidentally.  It needs to be turned off.  For your own sanity, the sooner you get an external keyboard, probably the better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 





Re: jaws issues

Jennifer Jackson <jennsjackson@...>
 

I have a Dell. I did a Google search and found most of the hits to be confusing. I finally found one that suggested that I try the FN and F5 combo so I gave that one a shot. There seem to be a lot of variables that can affect what will work for you. It can be a little aggravating.


Jennifer J



On Feb 7, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Val Paul <vpcara79@...> wrote:

Hi Jennifer!

Which make of laptop do you have?

I have an Hp, and have been on to their site to try to find out the function keys to turn touchpad on and off, but have had no luck.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 22:44, Jennifer Jackson wrote:
I seem to have had success  toggling the touchpad with the FN and F5 combination. I use seem because JAWS does not actually say anything when I use the function key in any combination. I do appreciate having been inspired to figure out how to toggle the touchpad though as I think that is going to be very useful.


Jennifer J


On Feb 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

You might have a touch pad right under the keys that you might be hitting accidentally.  It needs to be turned off.  For your own sanity, the sooner you get an external keyboard, probably the better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 




Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Elaine. It doesn't matter, but there should be a button in the Narrator settings to close settings and keep them from coming up again when starting the PC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Young
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Bill, I too have the settings come up when I start my computer but only
sometimes. Other times it does not. I don't know why but my question is-
does it matter? I simply close the settings for narrator and continue as
normal.


Elaine


On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't think that is a VFO/Jaws issue. If Narrator settings come up at startup you should tab around because I'm pretty sure there is a checkbox where you can disable that.
My Windows 10 laptop does not open Settings when it comes up. I think those who have that issue should try and give Microsoft Accessibility a call and see if they can fix that.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I get the narrator settings coming up at boot up, and I just press alt F4 on it.
I think that VFO should work with Microsoft to fix this problem.


Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I too get windows settings opening at boot up. This started happening a
few weeks ago that I know of.

On 2/7/2018 5:21 AM, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi John,
I get the same.
What settings do you get when the computer starts?
Andrew
*From:* John Doering
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Hello:

Does anyone know why my Windows 10 system is opening the settings window
when started?

This started happening after the start of the new year.

Thanks,

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Specialist

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Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Elaine Young <hidden_spring@...>
 

Bill, I  too have the settings come up when I start my computer but only sometimes. Other times it does not. I don't know why but my question is- does it matter? I simply close the settings for narrator and continue as normal.


Elaine

On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't think that is a VFO/Jaws issue. If Narrator settings come up at startup you should tab around because I'm pretty sure there is a checkbox where you can disable that.
My Windows 10 laptop does not open Settings when it comes up. I think those who have that issue should try and give Microsoft Accessibility a call and see if they can fix that.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I get the narrator settings coming up at boot up, and I just press alt F4 on it.
I think that VFO should work with Microsoft to fix this problem.


Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

I too get windows settings opening at boot up. This started happening a
few weeks ago that I know of.

On 2/7/2018 5:21 AM, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi John,
I get the same.
What settings do you get when the computer starts?
Andrew
*From:* John Doering
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Windows 10, settings opens when computer started

Hello:

Does anyone know why my Windows 10 system is opening the settings window
when started?

This started happening after the start of the new year.

Thanks,

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Specialist

wlmailhtml:John.Doering@ibsupply.com

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Re: jaws issues

Val Paul
 

Hi Jennifer!

Which make of laptop do you have?

I have an Hp, and have been on to their site to try to find out the function keys to turn touchpad on and off, but have had no luck.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 22:44, Jennifer Jackson wrote:
I seem to have had success  toggling the touchpad with the FN and F5 combination. I use seem because JAWS does not actually say anything when I use the function key in any combination. I do appreciate having been inspired to figure out how to toggle the touchpad though as I think that is going to be very useful.


Jennifer J


On Feb 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

You might have a touch pad right under the keys that you might be hitting accidentally.  It needs to be turned off.  For your own sanity, the sooner you get an external keyboard, probably the better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 




Re: jaws issues

Jennifer Jackson <jennsjackson@...>
 

I seem to have had success  toggling the touchpad with the FN and F5 combination. I use seem because JAWS does not actually say anything when I use the function key in any combination. I do appreciate having been inspired to figure out how to toggle the touchpad though as I think that is going to be very useful.


Jennifer J


On Feb 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

You might have a touch pad right under the keys that you might be hitting accidentally.  It needs to be turned off.  For your own sanity, the sooner you get an external keyboard, probably the better.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

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--St. Francis

On 2/7/2018 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Calculator problem Jaws 18

O.Addison Gethers
 

I did send fs email about this issue  with jaws 18 not saying anything when the numlock is on  I will forward or put it inhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

All you have to do to get Jaws to speak the result of the calculation is press Jaws Key+NumPad 8, the say line command. Yes, DFS is working on this and I assume it will be fixed in the next 4-6 weeks.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 5:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Oh Bill  so I guess you had the same problem with jaws not saying in calculator too. So you already had call fs technical support and they did jaws tandem didn’t solved the problem right?? Is this Microsoft problem with calculator not working with jaws?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Calling Technical support for JAWS won’t matter much, as they are already aware of this issue, and it should be fixed in JAWS 2018 in fifteen days or so. If you want to ask them about a JAWS 18 update which fixes your issue, you might call them with that issue.

 

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Bill so therefore I need to call fs technical support about this issue right??

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

This is a known issue with JAWS 18, and JAWS 2018 latest versions. Microsoft has changed the interface. JAWS says they will fix it in the February 2018 update to JAWS 2018.

 

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Calculatorproblem Jaws 18

 

Hi All  I’m using jaws 18 on destop with window10!! When I went on desktop to press letter c til I hear it’s say calculator press enter,then it’s say calculator standard mode  display  I turn the numb lock on  when I press 5 jaws not saying nothing at all when I press the any number . What do I need to do get jaws to say when I press any number to add or subtract ?

Addison

 

 

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Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Christopher Zeigler
 

Hello This is Chris
Here start Windows support lifecycle policy page

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet


On Feb 7, 2018 12:55 PM, "dennis" <dennisc67@...> wrote:

you won't have to get use to it for another 4 years if you don't wan't to. win 7 will be around until 2022.


On 2/7/2018 11:32 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Yes, i'm afraid we will have to get used to it!

That wasn't why i sent the message, it was to settle a slight disagreement my friend and i had about windows 7 and jaws 2018.

I think also, its the unknown till we get used to it.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 17:15, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 10 is a much better operating system, I hate to say it, but you better get used to it. I remember when Windows 7 first came out a lot of blind people wanted the Windows XP look and feeel back. The familiar for some will always seem preferable over the new.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Lucky you! Wish i could go back to windows 7, but all the new computers have windows 10 already installed.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 15:20, Delaunay Christophe wrote:
Hi Val,

I'm using it for a month now and it works as I expect it to.

The exact configuration is Dell Latitude E5570 running Windows 7 64-bit Entreprise Edition Service Pack 1. The Jaws->About dialog box says "Version 2018 (Build 1712.10 ILM).

Before upgrading to Jaws 2018, I was using Jaws 17. I upgraded to 2018 because it better handles the Google Chrome browser, especially useful for me to access my employer's intranet services.

HTH, Have a nice day. Chris D

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.




















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Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Carol Smith
 

Thanks.  Is there a particular version I should use with screen readers? 

Carol


On 2/7/2018 2:58 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Yes you are correct, unchecked items  will not be bothered.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the information.  I probably did not know which things to check before.  Am I correct that items without a checkmark will not be bothered? 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 6:00 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Typically speaking the default settings of CCleaner shouldn't remove anything that could prove to be vital, but, that doesn't mean the default settings work / are best for everyone.  Navigating the settings is somewhat a pain in the rear, & the use of the Jaws cursor is necessary.  To take a look at the default settings, try the following:
1. Open CCleaner & tab to the Tree View.  These settings are for Windows & Internet Explorer.
Note: BE, EXTRA, CAREFUL, DOING, THE, FOLLOWING!
2. Rout the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, Jaws key + NumPad minus / Jaws cursor key.  Now arrow down, & many of the checkboxes Jaws will not announce unless you press the spacebar, but pay close attention to if Jaws reports checked or unchecked!  If you press the spacebar & Jaws reports, checked, that means that it was unchecked & you just checked it by pressing the spacebar.  So, press the spacebar again to uncheck it, & put the setting back to the default setting.
 
3. Tab 1 time & Jaws will report, Windows, so right arrow to, Applications.  These settings will be for Firefox & other browsers & programs.  Now, shift + tab to put you into the Tree Biew list of settings for these applications / programs.  Navigate these the same way as above, with extreme caution!
 
4. After you are through checking out the Windows & Application settings, tab to, Registry, & press the spacebar.  Jaws won't report anything, but it has been selected.
5. Tab to Tree View Registry Cleaner, & you will navigate this list of settings just like in step#2, with extreme caution!
 
Okay, the above is a quick explanation of how to navigate the settings for just a couple of tools that are available in CCleaner, but if you want to learn more about CCleaner it would be best to read aboutit from their Homepage.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Yes, but what about us folks that don't know which things should be removed?  I have had things disappear that I did not know about until I needed them.  I stopped using it because I couldn't figure out what things should stay or go.  Typically, I would not mess with anything having to do with the registry. 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 4:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
As a support technician you shouldn't assume that all Jaws / computer users are as experienced / savvy as yourself!  They're not asking for help because they find it easy!  Please give them tips on how to use the program as they asked instead of simply telling them it's easy!
Below are some tips:
One thing about CCleaner out of the box, Jaws reads everything as buttons.  To make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
From: Dennis L
Hi, if you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, & Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button. 
Tab once arrow down to check box. 
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok. 
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis   
 
From: Stormin
Once inside C-Cleaner:
A: Tab over to clean if that is your choice. Then  hit the space bar. Then
shift + tab to Analyze, press the spacebar, (you will hear the percentages) and then tab to
clean and what I do is shift tab back once and you will hear the list what
it found.  Press, Control + A, to highlight them all, tab to the Run Cleaner button, press the spacebar, the cleaner will remove everything that was selected, & you're done.
 
B: Doing the same but with the registry. Space bar and then tab to Scan and
percentages you will hear and then Highlight what It finds and tab to fix
enter and tab it will say fix or fix or repair all and ..
I am sure there is a person that can explain it much better than this farmer
up in Maine. Really easy to use the program. Along with using for removing
programs from  your computer if you like!
Geno
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

That app is very easy to use.

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
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Wichita, KS 67213
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F: 316-267-4312
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Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

 

Don't quote me on this! My friend says it's a very visual thing, because i was hoping the same thing.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 19:54, Nino Dagostino wrote:

Hi:

 

Does any body know of a good tutorial for using ccleaner with Jaws?

 

Thank you, thank you for the warning about installing Avas.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

 

 
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Re: JAWS residing

Cristóbal
 

Insert+J takes care of that for me if I’m feeling too lazy to go to the system tray.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS residing

Sometimes, beginning users of JAWS are more comfortable having JAWS reside in the ALT TAB cycle. It makes it easier for them to go into JAWS menus and explore and to make options changes.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS residing

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?


Re: JAWS residing

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Sometimes, beginning users of JAWS are more comfortable having JAWS reside in the ALT TAB cycle. It makes it easier for them to go into JAWS menus and explore and to make options changes.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS residing

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS
automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the
taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?


Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

 

It all depends on your hardware and configuration. I have a fairly powerful Asus Zenbook laptop which is a bit over a year old and my Jaws certainly has more issues on my 4 Windows 7 desktops at work, Windows 10 on my laptop is faster and more stabil.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Just wanted to add that I have less jaws freezes and overall issues with win 7 than I do with win 10. I use 7 at my work and 10 at home so I use them every day...
On 2/7/2018 6:08 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend
and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.



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Grants Pass, Or.


Re: jaws issues

 

Just touch the TouchPad after you try to disable it with the keystroke, if nothing happens it’s disabled.

If you turn it off with the keystroke that won’t show up in Control Centre.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Don't think that's the strokes for an hp laptop.

I tried that, then, went into control pannel to see if it had come back on as my friend turned it off, but they hadn't.

 

On 07/02/2018 20:09, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

It’s just a simple toggle keystroke. If I want my wife to do something which requires the TouchPad I just press FN+F7 which is the key combination on my Asus laptop and afterwards I press it again to turn it off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?