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moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM, Justin Williams wrote:
It is your write (sic) under the AdA.
Your right under the ADA is to have a screen reader if that's what you need to do your job.  That screen reader need not be JAWS.  And I expect that as time progresses, and more employers accept NVDA and Narrator pushes further into the scene, that's what will end up being offered.

That being said, many larger companies that already have experience hiring employees who are blind or visually-impaired have volume licensing arrangements in place with Freedom Scientific.  So it absolutely makes sense to inquire about having JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText (though I realize JAWS is what's wanted in this case) if that's what you prefer.  But if they say, "No, we expect you to use {insert other screen reader here}," that's perfectly within the bounds of the law.  In the immortal lyrics of the Rolling Stones, which apply here, "You can't always get what you want, but you get what you need."
 
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moderated Re: likign on facebook

Justin Williams
 

Okay,

Thanks,

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chantal Ferreira
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: likign on facebook

Good afternoon Justin

I think you would probably have to go to the page and like it there.

Hope this helps.

Chantal

On 7/23/20, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:
When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough
for you to just use insert f7 for the links list, and like it?



Or, do you have to go onto the page and click the like button?



I did both.



Justin









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Kind regards

Chantal


moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

Justin Williams
 

Yes, approach them through a written even letter if you want to make it more formal.

 

Or, just call them and tell them.

It is your write under the AdA.

 

And besides, if you don't use JAwS, how will you get the job done?

 

Justin

 

              

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Also, let’s not push our rights back into the dark ages.  What if you required a refreshable Braille Display.  Would you fork over $5,000 and purchase your own?  We have every right to have the equipment to perform our jobs!  We have fought long and hard for this right, don’t shove it out the door.  If you purchase your own license of JAWS you set a precedent for every single person with a disability that this company hires in the future.

Jim Weiss
National Federation of the Blind of Ohio - Board of Directors
Cuyahoga County Chapter - President



 

 

 

The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.



On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:08 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:

 

That is an excellent point. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license.  The home use license is for just that, not for work.  Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started.  You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server.  By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license.  You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license.

Jim Weiss

 

 

“Failure is simply an opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.” | Henry Ford




On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io<REALMAN02@...> wrote:

 

Here’s how I would approach my employer.

Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using. 

If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything.  If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically. 

I urge you to get in touch with them immediately. 

Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start  working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc. 

Hope this helps. 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.

 

On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.

I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message ----- 

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM

Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Hi.

 

I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.

 

First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.

 

My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?

 

I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly

 

 


moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

Jim Weiss
 

Also, let’s not push our rights back into the dark ages.  What if you required a refreshable Braille Display.  Would you fork over $5,000 and purchase your own?  We have every right to have the equipment to perform our jobs!  We have fought long and hard for this right, don’t shove it out the door.  If you purchase your own license of JAWS you set a precedent for every single person with a disability that this company hires in the future.
Jim Weiss
National Federation of the Blind of Ohio - Board of Directors
Cuyahoga County Chapter - President







The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.


On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:08 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:

That is an excellent point. 
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
 
Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license.  The home use license is for just that, not for work.  Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started.  You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server.  By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license.  You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license.
Jim Weiss

 

 

“Failure is simply an opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.” | Henry Ford



On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io<REALMAN02@...> wrote:
 
Here’s how I would approach my employer.
Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using. 
If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything.  If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically. 
I urge you to get in touch with them immediately. 
Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start  working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc. 
Hope this helps. 
 
 
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
 
I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.
 
On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.
I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM
Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
 
Hi.
 
I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.
 
First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.
 
My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?
 
I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly
 



moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

JOHN RIEHL
 

That is an excellent point.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license.  The home use license is for just that, not for work.  Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started.  You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server.  By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license.  You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license.

Jim Weiss

 

 

“Failure is simply an opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.” | Henry Ford



On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:

 

Here’s how I would approach my employer.

Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using. 

If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything.  If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically. 

I urge you to get in touch with them immediately. 

Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start  working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc. 

Hope this helps. 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.

 

On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.

I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message ----- 

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM

Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Hi.

 

I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.

 

First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.

 

My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?

 

I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly

 


moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

Jim Weiss
 

Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license.  The home use license is for just that, not for work.  Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started.  You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server.  By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license.  You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license.
Jim Weiss



“Failure is simply an opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.” | Henry Ford


On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:

Here’s how I would approach my employer.
Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using. 
If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything.  If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically. 
I urge you to get in touch with them immediately. 
Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start  working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc. 
Hope this helps. 
 
 
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
 

I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.

 

On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.
I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM
Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
 
Hi.
 
I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.
 
First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.
 
My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?
 
I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly



moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

JOHN RIEHL
 

Here’s how I would approach my employer.

Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using.

If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything.  If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically.

I urge you to get in touch with them immediately.

Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start  working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc.

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.

 

On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.

I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM

Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

 

Hi.

 

I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.

 

First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.

 

My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?

 

I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly


moderated Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

Steve Matzura
 

I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.


On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
They probably have a tech person who takes care of their computers.
I would ask them to install Jaws for you and give them the Jaws key to put onto it.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:51 PM
Subject: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?

Hi.

 

I’ve just been hired as a customer service representative, a work from home job.  For my work, I’ll be using a PC that they’re providing. I’d try to convince them to allow me to use my laptop, but I have to use their headset to do my job, and I suspect it wouldn’t work on my system. I think it uses Windows 10, but I don’t know the version. With all this in mind, I’m hoping to install JAWS on it. I do, however, have some questions to ask.

 

First, how do I approach them regarding installing JAWS on the PC? I don’t know much about Narrator, and I do know more about JAWS, so that would make me more productive from the start. I would rather not bring up the A.D.A. unless I have to.

 

My other concern is installing JAWS itself. Since this PC is specifically for work, I suspect they have limited what can be installed on it. What do I need to tell them I need to install it?

 

I get this PC on Friday, and my training begins on Monday morning.  The good news is I have all weekend to sort this out. The bad news is I think there won’t be people who can help me that work there over the weekend. This is why I’m writing this note tonight. I have all day tomorrow to get advice and ideas.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, my girlfriend Valerie, and furry Jilly


moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

This entire discussion continues to convince me, with perhaps some exceptions, that the best way to deal with PDFs, assuming you have Microsoft 365 on your system, is to set them up to open in Word. Word has no problem with paragraphs. The exception that I have found is a student textbook I opened in Word and which contained a myriad graphics which for me were entirely useless. I didn't try it in Adobe reader. But all the other PDFs I've been opening lately have been effortless to read in Word.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all.
On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

























moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Rahul Bajaj
 

Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all.

On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

























moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Steve Nutt
 

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, it also misses I's and L's if the font is a bit weird. I prefer Chrome for reading.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: 24 June 2020 21:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















moderated Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I'm late to this, but the best reading experience for me is Chrome. You get
all the headings as well.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: 24 June 2020 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


moderated Re: likign on facebook

Chantal Ferreira
 

Good afternoon Justin

I think you would probably have to go to the page and like it there.

Hope this helps.

Chantal

On 7/23/20, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:
When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough for
you to just use insert f7 for the links list, and like it?



Or, do you have to go onto the page and click the like button?



I did both.



Justin








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moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Enrique,

i tried your suggestion.

insert+g opens the graphics labeler, but jaws tells me that i am not on a
graphic with the jaws cursor.
i have routed it to the graphic, i even did a lef click on it just to be
sure, but it still says that it is not positioned.
the only thing i have discovered, and quite by accident, is that the custom
label sticks, even though jaws does not read it.
then, if i press insert+ctrl+g, jaws gives me a list of graphics.
the graphics i have assigned a custome label to then show their custom
labels, but this is a real pain.
the graphics hold numbers, which are confirmation numbers for a shutdown.
the same graphics appear if you want to dismount a disk.
i suppose, that if there is no other way to do this, the custom label option
and insert+ctrl+g will have to do.
however, if you have another idea, i would be greatful for it.
these must be some sort of funny type of graphics.
i informed buffalo about it last year, and they said they would do something
about it.
however, as we all know, big companies dont pay any attention to this, as we
are in the minority, and especially when it comes to things like nas
devices.

cheers anyway,

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 18:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote:
>Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and
label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are
displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the
labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite
flexible.
Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for
labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons).
But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the
graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler.


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moderated liking on face book

Justin Williams
 

The last message I sent is supposed to be liking on facebook in the subject line.

 

 


moderated likign on facebook

Justin Williams
 

When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough for you to just use insert f7 for the links list, and like it?

 

Or, do you have to go onto the page and click the like button?

 

I did both.

 

Justin

 

 


moderated Re: saved documents in word

Justin Williams
 

None of that worked.

 

I tried to recover versions, but it said no other versions exist. .

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: saved documents in word

 

I’m guessing that you tried the undo command with control Z. Other than that, may be close Microsoft word and if it asks to save, say no. And then you can re-open it.



On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:21 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



All my text in a word document disappeared.  As there anyway to recover the previous saved version?

 

 


moderated Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


They are Cakewalk Project files.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

I am rather sure GoldWave won't know what a CWP file is.
That sounds like a CakeWalk file type, which is the mother company of Sonar.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:


I also have .cwp files that are fragmented. These are the ones I've recovered with ICare Data Recovery Pro, which categorized them as "Lost Files". I wonder if any of those programs can merge 46 fragments of a .cwp file together.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

I do not think Goldwave handles midi files, but I'm not sure.
It seems odd to have both weav and midi files in the same project, though the midi files might be the same music but the music notation files for the same passage as one before it?
I never dealt with Sonar enough to know.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:


I think this ended up as a duplicate email.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Well, are they in an odd format, or standard mp3 or .wav or windows media, etc.?

If so, GoldWave has a nice file merge feature that is completely accessible.  You would use the Tools menu and select File Merge and then add the folder and if they are in order already, it can put them into one file for you.

There is a fully functional demo, or if you decide to use it on an ongoing basis it is only $50, or so.

www.goldwave.com

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I wonder, are any of these programs accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? These are freewares that are used for splitting and merging files. The reason why I ask this is because I have these files I'm trying to recover, specifically Sonar projects that I didn't get the chance to back up, and what I notice is that each big file has been divided into 46 fragments, all sequentially numbered. This happened on a hard drive that my friend, Markus and I formatted quite by accident in 2015, the first time when we were restoring my machine back to working order. I've used ICare Data Recovery Pro, which I purchased for $71.99 from http://www.icare-recovery.com, and that is where I discovered these files and folders I'm trying to recover are in 46 fragments. Or should I leave this recovery job to Drivesavers? https://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/file-splitters.shtml


moderated Re: saved documents in word

NFB Lab 4
 

I’m guessing that you tried the undo command with control Z. Other than that, may be close Microsoft word and if it asks to save, say no. And then you can re-open it.


On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:21 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



All my text in a word document disappeared.  As there anyway to recover the previous saved version?