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moderated Re: Asking a outlook 2019 mail question with jaws.

Ann Byrne
 

Is it possible that outlook is set to empty the deleted items on exit, so there is in fact nothing in that folder?


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Ok, I shall wait until next week when I plan to upgrade. Also Richard, for me there is no concern whether footnotes appear at bottom of page, I usually switch to draft view when reading long documents in braille. Usually when I pick a footnote number, I press the relevant cursor routing button and usually go to them with cntrl-shift-e which pays most of the time. However, since this is really a preview screen and I particularly want to read a very long note, I use the customary method of windows key-colon, arrow down to footnotes and then have to find the one I want, a bit more tedious when you get to say, note 289 or so.

                                                            Take care,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

I’m using Jaws 2021.

That might be the difference.

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Richard, I will try it again, perhaps this may have changed with latest jaws2020 version. I shall let you all know.

                                                                           Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

With my Orbit Reader 20 plus, in Word 2016 from Microsoft Office 365, leaving the UI option checked and having Comments, Footnotes, and Endnotes Detection On in Reading OptionsWord Settings, when I come to a footnote with the braille display it shows the number sign, dot 1 for number 1, with dots 7,8 under both cells, and so on.

Then, at the bottom of the page, it shows the number and the text of the footnote.

I am using UEB Contracted.

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 2:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Richard/all,

Will give it a try, but at least for me, using braille, I lost the ability to find footnote numbers in documents and thus proceed with reading them.

                                                            Cheers,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 6:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

I find that leaving UI checked works fine.

If you look instead for the footnote setting, and make sure it is checked for On, for me, Jaws reads the foottnote as I read the document.

Here is what Jaws says about the UI setting:

Use UIA for Word 365 Documents checked‑
General Options Word Settings
Since Office 2013, JAWS has started to rely on UI Automation (UIA) provided by Microsoft, in order to provide the most robust solution for documents in Office.
Microsoft is making significant changes in UIA in the ongoing development of Office 365 and this control, when unchecked, gives users an opportunity to rely only on the Document Object Model rather than UIA. This could be useful for users who are using Office 365 and run into any issues that might have been introduced by recent changes in UIA.
Restart Word after changing this setting for your changes to take effect.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Justin,

I am outside word now, but while in word after hitting insert-v I simply type ui on the search box and I get it. Have not explored the actual category, but let me know if you are having difficulty, and will have a look.

                                                            Take care,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

What category is it under?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 

 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Joseph Hudson
 

Milton, what I was suggesting below, was him speaking with his employer about getting the $90 subscription. Whether it had to be done through an administrator or himself.

On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt










moderated Re: Asking a outlook 2019 mail question with jaws.

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

CTRL+M while in the folder


moderated Asking a outlook 2019 mail question with jaws.

Ron Kolesar
 

Hello, to all.
How can I get jaws to read my mail in the deleted mailbox of outlook 2019?
Every time I go to that mailbox, it states that there's no mail in that
mailbox, even though I know that there are mail in the mailbox.
What do I need to click on to have my mail that's inside the deleted mailbox
show up?
Many thanks.
Ron KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
Who's now also Ares and NIMS Certified as well


moderated Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Not happening for me, everything’s working/reading normally. You might want to do a JAWS repair nd/or contact Vispero for more support.


On Nov 17, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:

I was recently trying to read a Word Document with headers and lots of bulleted statements using the latest JAWS 2021 and when I pressed Insert Down Arrow to read the document, JAWS gets stuck when reading a heading or a statement with a bullet.  It will continue to repeat the line until I press the Down Arrow.  I then restart the reading and all goes fine until the next heading when JAWS would start reading the heading line over and over again.  Has anyone else experienced this behavior?  I was able to finish reading this document by using JAWS 2019.


moderated Re: Office 365

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Not finding it under options either, but under account ... there is an ‘update options’ thing. It’s alt f then d and r, so think of President FDR for that. Are those the option you mean, Rich and others on the thread?


On Nov 17, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:



Hi,

Using Office 365 and JAWS 2021.  No major issues other than those that have lingered over last couple of JAWS versions.  Nothing major.

In your office application you need to go to options , under the file menu, and then update.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

 

Good question.

I’ve not heard great things about Jaws and Microsoft 2019, so I have not really looked into it.

I also haven’t bothered to call Microsoft and ask.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:04 AM
To: access-uk@...
Cc: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Office 365

 

Hi All,

A question about office 365 version number.

My word and outlook apps and so on is 2016, when there are updates, why don’t my apps get updated to 2019?

Is there a way to get them updated to 2019?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Office 365

 

1. Office 365 (like most recent versions of Office) should be self-updating.  It never hurts to check, but it's unlikely to turn up anything when you do.  If you are a Windows 10 User, and look in your Update History under the Quality Updates section, you'll very likely see a number of items related to Microsoft Office if you have Office.

2. Microsoft 2016, 2019, and 365 are all rooted in the same code base, a lot of which has not changed.  So specific version numbers on components that really haven't changed could reflect 2016 in all three.

3. There have definitely been updates to specific components in 2019, and especially 365, as time has marched on.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Office 365

Richard Turner
 

Dan,

I’m not finding an update option under Files, Options.

Could you say more where you are finding this?

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

 

Hi,

Using Office 365 and JAWS 2021.  No major issues other than those that have lingered over last couple of JAWS versions.  Nothing major.

In your office application you need to go to options , under the file menu, and then update.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

 

Good question.

I’ve not heard great things about Jaws and Microsoft 2019, so I have not really looked into it.

I also haven’t bothered to call Microsoft and ask.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:04 AM
To: access-uk@...
Cc: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Office 365

 

Hi All,

A question about office 365 version number.

My word and outlook apps and so on is 2016, when there are updates, why don’t my apps get updated to 2019?

Is there a way to get them updated to 2019?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Office 365

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

Using Office 365 and JAWS 2021.  No major issues other than those that have lingered over last couple of JAWS versions.  Nothing major.

In your office application you need to go to options , under the file menu, and then update.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365

 

Good question.

I’ve not heard great things about Jaws and Microsoft 2019, so I have not really looked into it.

I also haven’t bothered to call Microsoft and ask.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:04 AM
To: access-uk@...
Cc: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Office 365

 

Hi All,

A question about office 365 version number.

My word and outlook apps and so on is 2016, when there are updates, why don’t my apps get updated to 2019?

Is there a way to get them updated to 2019?

 

Andrew


locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Dan Longmore
 

True, the government is not involved. Yet as an individual I have the
freedom to express myself unless , the list expressly prohibits such
behaviors. In that case I have the choice to follow the rules or leave.
Many, non religious saying I do not like but that's part of a person's
right. A sad statement on our culture that we can so easily be offended or
want something removed with which we disagree.
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included,
concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

All must go? Sounds like a great idea. For the record, this is not a First
Amendment issue. The government isn't involved.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included,
concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Hi,
First Amendment allows anyone to add to their signature and that includes
those who desire to share something about themselves, and the importance of
faith and belief in God, in their post. Many signatures also include
common , non religious, sayings. IF we begin to eliminate some then all
must go.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included,
concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Many personal signatures on the list include religious statements. Why are
these allowed???
At 04:45 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
Blind-users@groups.io but religion and politics are off limits
everything else goes.

On 11/17/2020 11:17 AM, James English wrote:
What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list
for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the
list rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything
related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If
it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This
includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as
Window Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply
hit the Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate.
Many of us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the
cross-posting when said posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning
Social Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are
not in the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have
posted something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it,
but this was allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick
to the reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to
ourselves or at least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want
to read this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disa
bled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-So
cial-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d49f7f4
e208d7a1e6e84d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637155885
424004847&sdata=GAS0RAqWfHdt9hOSucJNEOC55%2BzEXVlKjLICjbY0SJE%3D&rese
rved=0>

*I'm not the card shark









locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Adrian Spratt
 

All must go? Sounds like a great idea. For the record, this is not a First Amendment issue. The government isn't involved.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Hi,
First Amendment allows anyone to add to their signature and that includes those who desire to share something about themselves, and the importance of
faith and belief in God, in their post. Many signatures also include
common , non religious, sayings. IF we begin to eliminate some then all must go.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Many personal signatures on the list include religious statements. Why are these allowed???
At 04:45 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
Blind-users@groups.io but religion and politics are off limits
everything else goes.

On 11/17/2020 11:17 AM, James English wrote:
What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list
for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the
list rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything
related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If
it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This
includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as
Window Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply
hit the Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate.
Many of us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the
cross-posting when said posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning
Social Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are
not in the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have
posted something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it,
but this was allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick
to the reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to
ourselves or at least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want
to read this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disa
bled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-So
cial-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d49f7f4
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locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
First Amendment allows anyone to add to their signature and that includes
those who desire to share something about themselves, and the importance of
faith and belief in God, in their post. Many signatures also include
common , non religious, sayings. IF we begin to eliminate some then all
must go.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included,
concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Many personal signatures on the list include religious statements. Why are
these allowed???
At 04:45 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
Blind-users@groups.io but religion and politics are off limits
everything else goes.

On 11/17/2020 11:17 AM, James English wrote:
What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list
for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the
list rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything
related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If
it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This
includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as
Window Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply
hit the Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate.
Many of us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the
cross-posting when said posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning
Social Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are
not in the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have
posted something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it,
but this was allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick
to the reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to
ourselves or at least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want
to read this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disa
bled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-So
cial-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
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e208d7a1e6e84d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637155885
424004847&sdata=GAS0RAqWfHdt9hOSucJNEOC55%2BzEXVlKjLICjbY0SJE%3D&rese
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locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Ann Byrne
 

Many personal signatures on the list include religious statements. Why are these allowed???

At 04:45 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
Blind-users@groups.io but religion and politics are off limits everything else goes.

On 11/17/2020 11:17 AM, James English wrote:
What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the list
rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to
JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have
to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't
limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply hit the
Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate. Many of
us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the cross-posting when said
posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are not in
the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have posted
something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it, but this was
allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick to the
reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to ourselves or at
least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want to read
this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disabled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Social-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d49f7f4e208d7a1e6e84d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637155885424004847&sdata=GAS0RAqWfHdt9hOSucJNEOC55%2BzEXVlKjLICjbY0SJE%3D&reserved=0>

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locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Randy Barnett
 

Blind-users@groups.io but religion and politics are off limits everything else goes.

On 11/17/2020 11:17 AM, James English wrote:
What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the list
rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to
JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have
to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't
limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply hit the
Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate. Many of
us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the cross-posting when said
posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are not in
the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have posted
something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it, but this was
allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick to the
reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to ourselves or at
least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want to read
this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disabled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Social-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

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moderated Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document

Richard Turner
 

Open the view menu with alt+w
Tab until you hear something like number of pages. make sure 1 is selectedand hit enter.
do  

Richard


Software means never having to say you're finished 


On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:


Richard,  I did try switching from Print view to Draft View, but the same thing happened.  How do I know how many pages are being displayed and how do I just show one page?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document
 
You may want to check the view.Draft or Print view seem to work the best for me, but also make sure it isn't trying to show more than one page at a time.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Pat Byrne <k9jau@...> wrote:

Marty,
I have experienced the same problem.  Oddly, sometimes I can read headings and bulleted items okay, and other times not so.  I had planned to try an older version of JAWS but haven't gottn there yet.
Glad I'm not the only one seeing this.
Pat ByrneAt 03:24 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
I was recently trying to read a Word Document with headers and lots of bulleted statements using the latest JAWS 2021 and when I pressed Insert Down Arrow to read the document, JAWS gets stuck when reading a heading or a statement with a bullet.  It will continue to repeat the line until I press the Down Arrow.  I then restart the reading and all goes fine until the next heading when JAWS would start reading the heading line over and over again.  Has anyone else experienced this behavior?  I was able to finish reading this document by using JAWS 2019.








locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

 

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 05:14 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Mute This Topic at the bottom of this thread.
-
And all topics, in fact.

And for myself, this topic is a much bigger waste of time than the one being complained about.  It has already died its natural death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document

Marty Hutchings
 

Richard,  I did try switching from Print view to Draft View, but the same thing happened.  How do I know how many pages are being displayed and how do I just show one page?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document
 
You may want to check the view.Draft or Print view seem to work the best for me, but also make sure it isn't trying to show more than one page at a time.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Pat Byrne <k9jau@...> wrote:

Marty,
I have experienced the same problem.  Oddly, sometimes I can read headings and bulleted items okay, and other times not so.  I had planned to try an older version of JAWS but haven't gottn there yet.
Glad I'm not the only one seeing this.
Pat ByrneAt 03:24 PM 11/17/2020, you wrote:
I was recently trying to read a Word Document with headers and lots of bulleted statements using the latest JAWS 2021 and when I pressed Insert Down Arrow to read the document, JAWS gets stuck when reading a heading or a statement with a bullet.  It will continue to repeat the line until I press the Down Arrow.  I then restart the reading and all goes fine until the next heading when JAWS would start reading the heading line over and over again.  Has anyone else experienced this behavior?  I was able to finish reading this document by using JAWS 2019.








locked Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Marty Hutchings
 

There is also a link for Mute This Topic at the bottom of this thread.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

Well, myself I have been hitting the delete key with this topic. I also suggest to ones who lament about groups being to cluttered, if you don't like the post, hit the delete key.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English
Sent: November 17, 2020 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules (was RE: Warning, political article link included,
concerning Social Security for people with a disability)

What are these lists? I've been looking for a general blindness list for a while

On 11/17/20, Dale Heltzer <deheltzer@msn.com> wrote:
C'mon y'all, we get a reminder on the first of each month what the
list rules are... one of which is:

******
2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything
related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If
it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This
includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window
Eyes.

I would also add, as an admonition, that advising anyone to simply hit
the Delete key shows disrespect for fellow list members.
There are other lists on which this material *would be appropriate.
Many of us subscribe to such lists and don't appreciate the
cross-posting when said posting is outside the purview of a given list.

And now, I wish you all well.
Be safe




From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning
Social Security for people with a disability


And there are people on this list, from outside of America, who are
not in the least interested in what goes on politically over there.
On 17/11/2020 9:07 pm, Michael Mote wrote:
This article has no business on this list. If a republican would have
posted something pro Trump, everybody would be up in arms over it, but
this was allowed. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Political opinions have no place here. Just my two cents. Let's stick
to the reason for this list, and keep our political opinions to
ourselves or at least on lists besides this one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social
Security for people with a disability

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want to
read this.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disab
led-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Soci
al-Security?detail=emaildkre



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca7d9f9bf0b1d
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85424
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served
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moderated Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document

Marty Hutchings
 

Always.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document
 

Was your screen maximized?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JFW2021 getting stuck in a Word Document

 

I was recently trying to read a Word Document with headers and lots of bulleted statements using the latest JAWS 2021 and when I pressed Insert Down Arrow to read the document, JAWS gets stuck when reading a heading or a statement with a bullet.  It will continue to repeat the line until I press the Down Arrow.  I then restart the reading and all goes fine until the next heading when JAWS would start reading the heading line over and over again.  Has anyone else experienced this behavior?  I was able to finish reading this document by using JAWS 2019.

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