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List Rules, Wed, 11/1/17 #cal-notice

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List Rules

When:
Wednesday, 1 November 2017
12:00am to 1:00am
(GMT-04:00) America/New York

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

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James,
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Re: jumpy web pages

Stan Holdeman
 

Thanks. I’ll give that a try.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jumpy web pages

 

Open the browser then press insert +6. Then type page refresh. Now change this to never. You will want to change it back when not on the pages that are causing you problems. This is how VFO recommends dealing with pages that update frequently.
On 10/31/2017 7:45 AM, Stan Holdeman wrote:

Listers: I am running jaws 18.0.4530, Windows 10 and Chrome browser.

 

Just starting today articles on the nNY Times and on another newspaper site are behaving strangely.

 

While in say all mode, the pages read fine but the pages are jumping all about. Of course, I can’t see to read the pages any way, but it sure is distracting to see all this jumping about.

 

Can I do something to stop this?

 

Stan

 

 

 

-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: jumpy web pages

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Open the browser then press insert +6. Then type page refresh. Now change this to never. You will want to change it back when not on the pages that are causing you problems. This is how VFO recommends dealing with pages that update frequently.
On 10/31/2017 7:45 AM, Stan Holdeman wrote:

Listers: I am running jaws 18.0.4530, Windows 10 and Chrome browser.

 

Just starting today articles on the nNY Times and on another newspaper site are behaving strangely.

 

While in say all mode, the pages read fine but the pages are jumping all about. Of course, I can’t see to read the pages any way, but it sure is distracting to see all this jumping about.

 

Can I do something to stop this?

 

Stan

 



-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Soronel Haetir
 

One thing I find very annoying, I can use the applications key on the
Firefox bookmarks menu if I have not visited a page with any given FF
window but as soon as I do visit a page that no longer works.

On 10/31/17, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, Cristobal. I no longer use the Add-On Plain Old Favorites. There is a
replacement for this. It is called:

windows_favorites-1.0.4-fx-windows.xpi



I don’t know if it will still work with Firefox 57, but it is still working
in version 56.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks



Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons
are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are
resolved.

For years, I’ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I
haven’t actually used IE in forever, I’ve always liked IE’s favorites
layout
simplicity

In any event, I’ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and
am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that
no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they’re still showing
up
in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first
letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE’s favorites layout.
They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option.
Be
it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I’m missing something on how to better sort the
Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing
with
this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I’ve
already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once
the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Bill White
 

Hi, Cristobal. I no longer use the Add-On Plain Old Favorites. There is a replacement for this. It is called:

windows_favorites-1.0.4-fx-windows.xpi

 

I don’t know if it will still work with Firefox 57, but it is still working in version 56.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

 

Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are resolved.

For years, I’ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I haven’t actually used IE in forever, I’ve always liked IE’s favorites layout simplicity

In any event, I’ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they’re still showing up in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE’s favorites layout. They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option. Be it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I’m missing something on how to better sort the Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing with this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I’ve already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal

 


Re: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Bill White
 

In order to delete Firefox bookmarks or menus of organizational folders within the bookmarks, it is necessary to click Show All Bookmarks. Then you have access to deleting bookmarks and subfolders.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

 

Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are resolved.

For years, I’ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I haven’t actually used IE in forever, I’ve always liked IE’s favorites layout simplicity

In any event, I’ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they’re still showing up in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE’s favorites layout. They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option. Be it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I’m missing something on how to better sort the Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing with this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I’ve already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal

 


Re: Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Soronel Haetir
 

There are several items on the Firefox bookmarks menu that are not
themselves bookmarks (rather organization sub-menus) and as far as I
am aware there is no way to not have them. I have even looked through
about:config and didn't see any setting that appears to apply, other
than one for the Recent bookmarks menu. But I have that set to false
and the Recently bookmarked sub-menu is still there.

On 10/31/17, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons
are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are
resolved.

For years, I’ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I
haven’t actually used IE in forever, I’ve always liked IE’s favorites
layout
simplicity

In any event, I’ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and
am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that
no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they’re still showing
up
in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first
letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE’s favorites layout.
They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option.
Be
it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I’m missing something on how to better sort the
Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing
with
this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I’ve
already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once
the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal



--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are resolved.

For years, I’ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I haven’t actually used IE in forever, I’ve always liked IE’s favorites layout simplicity

In any event, I’ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they’re still showing up in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE’s favorites layout. They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option. Be it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I’m missing something on how to better sort the Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing with this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I’ve already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal

 


Re: Outlook Office 365 Problem Back

Stan Bobbitt
 

I’m using JAWS 18.0.4350 and I have a similar issue with windows calculator. Seems the old problem of jaws not automatically speaking the display results has returned. Although, now that I think about it, I’m not sure if it came back with the October update of jaws or after I got the windows creator 1709 … in any event, the display doesn’t get automatically spoken any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Office 365 Problem Back

 

Yes, this type stuff gets frustrating when a problem finally gets fixed and then is broken again in future releases. I have a similar issue with excel and it becoming very sluggish at times and almost unresponsive. This was present in early releases of JAWS 18 and 2018 and was fixed. Now the official release of 2018 has it back again

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook Office 365 Problem Back

 

Jaws 2018 has brought back the Outlook Office 365 problem when typing in email addresses.  If you start typing in email addresses, the name is not spoken and you cannot arrow down through a list of people beginning with that letter.

 

The last beta of Jaws 2018 was working correctly with email addresses.  I hope there is a quick fix, like the one they rolled out for Jaws 18 that you could download if you were having this problem.  I did verify that Jaws 18 is still working correctly with Outlook Office 365 version.

 

I an off to VFO to report the problem.

 

Randy Meyer


jumpy web pages

Stan Holdeman
 

Listers: I am running jaws 18.0.4530, Windows 10 and Chrome browser.

 

Just starting today articles on the nNY Times and on another newspaper site are behaving strangely.

 

While in say all mode, the pages read fine but the pages are jumping all about. Of course, I can’t see to read the pages any way, but it sure is distracting to see all this jumping about.

 

Can I do something to stop this?

 

Stan

 


Google Slides

James Lee
 

Hi,

If I'm an audience, I can open up the html view and follow the presentation easily.
However, how do I review slides while I'm presenting?
I couldn't find way to read my slides in presentation mode.
It looks like presentation mode render each slide into graphics.
I always use a tiny Bluetooth ear piece during presentation and review things with screen reader. This works well on PowerPoint.
I wanted to try Google slide.
Thanks,


FW: Reviewing The Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, Microsoft’s Revision To A Vision: Part III – Ease of access

Richard Turner
 

A coworker sent this around and I thought some on this list might find it interesting.


https://coolblindtech.com/reviewing-the-windows-10-fall-creators-update-microsofts-revision-to-a-vision-part-iii-ease-of-access/

Reviewing The Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, Microsoft’s Revision To A Vision: Part III – Ease Of Access

The importance of Ease of Access

In previous Windows 10 reviews, never would I have imagined that I would be required to construct a separate section of content on the basis of accessibility alone. Although it is true that there was plenty of changes to list and explore just from the perspective of every day usability of this new release, there are enough changes in the innovation of access that it’s easy to break it out into a smaller section along with my final conclusions.

In the past, the commitment in Windows to create genuine improvement to tools and functions which assist those with a variety of needs had less focus. It was always there, somewhere in the background of everyone’s minds and with slow progression, but the pace did not truly pick up until we had the Creators update in hand. Here, we saw massive changes.

For the first time, anyone could pop in a Windows 10 DVD (or USB drive, as the former are becoming old now) and begin a seamless installation of Windows with the aid of a screen reader, Narrator. True, this still leaves out those who simply require color adjustments or larger text in the cold, but I see this expanding to allow even Braille support in the future. There was a heavier push to making this technology work. This is nowhere near perfect in Narrator now with 1709, as some areas are still lacking in consistency, such as scan mode behaviors. There is no find dialog or element-navigation listing commands in this screen reader, and it’s probably true that more improvements can be made with how Narrator is in scan versus item navigation mode. Try using Narrator in Office and Word online and you will notice how scan mode falls apart when you edit in web apps. Before you close this review and window entirely though, please do not forget where we came from and what it took to get here. Please think of other users who may have different needs than yourself, and may be OK with using Narrator with standard Office and programs, where it behaves way more beautifully than it ever has before. This improvement in support comes from a greater integration of new user interface automation programming patterns, a new accessibility framework Microsoft pioneered with Windows 7.

UIA is more in use within Windows 10 than ever. Narrator and Edge work very fast and with far less lag than many other screen readers, as there is no more pulling and sorting of the entire website when it loads by the reader. Edge exposes all this natively to Narrator. Issues with websites like BBC are gone, but others, such as Google News, will still require that you switch from scan to item navigation mode as the headings will not read in scan. This still does not compare to what Narrator was in say, version 1511 of Windows 10, or the first update we had. Back then, even switching to a different program could cause Narrator to lose focus entirely and stop reading, and arrowing through lists and combo-boxes was painfully slow. To see where it has come now, there has been a large undertaking in modernizing this entire platform. By doing so, Microsoft can finally bring the Accessibility of Windows to some of the heights which already exist elsewhere, such as in Apple’s iOS. Is this update the ultimate accessibility fixer? No, but it sure moves the car down the road a few hundred miles.

New color filter options will allow those with various color blindness needs to adjust Windows to how they desire. Narrator supports the inputting of chorded Windows functions for full-display based navigation, something only available in a $1095 product before. You can press Alt+Tab with Dots 2-4-5-6 after switching to keyboard mode with dots 1-3 and space. We will discuss this further in the Braille section, but the way this was designed is very intuitive. With the addition of eye tracking. The magnifier interface has been completely redesigned, allowing it to also work alongside Narrator in a smooth way. These are all big strides for something we are calling a “companion” update to the creators version, no?

So let’s dive in, and take a look at all we can unwrap here.

The new magnifier

This is a great one to start with, there is a lot to say on what Microsoft has done here. Let’s head over to the settings app, Go into ease of access, and peak within the magnifier. Wait a minute! That’s how you would have done it before. Now, you can magically press control + Windows M to open the magnifier settings page. The same goes for Narrator settings, now accessible with the same combination keys and the letter N. Here, you won’t see a larger view of your world unless you turn it on, but you will see a larger amount of options and commands to use.

A screenshot of the Magnifier settings page.Image credit: Pure-info-tech.

Some, such as following keyboard focus, are familiar. However, many options are new.

  • Change the zoom level magnifier uses.
  • Magnifier can now follow the Narrator cursor, if this option is checked. Useful if you use both in combination.
  • You can choose among three different modes for the type of magnification you require. These were available before in the magnifier interface, but now carry over to settings. Full screen, docked, and Lens modes are your familiar classic ones.
  • Hold down the Control and Windows keys, then move the mouse wheel to zoom the screen magnification in and out.
  • The page now lists magnifier commands conveniently.

Keyboard combination

Action

Windows logo key + Plus (+)

Turn Magnifier on.

Windows key + ESC

Turn magnifier off.

Windows key + CTRL + M

Open Magnifier settings

Windows key and Plus Sign (+) or Minus Sign (-)

Zoom in or out

Ctrl + Alt + Mouse Scroll Wheel

Zoom with Mouse Scroll Wheel

Ctrl+Alt+Spacebar

Preview the desktop in full-screen mode

Ctrl+Alt+F

Switch to full-screen mode

Ctrl+Alt+L

Switch to lens mode

Ctrl+Alt+D

Switch to docked mode

Ctrl+Alt+I

Invert colors

Ctrl+Alt+arrow keys

Pan in the direction of the arrow keys

ALT + Shift + Left and right arrows

Decrease and increase lens width

Alt + Shift + Down and up arrows

Decrease and increase lens height

Alt + CTRL + M

Change magnifier view

Ctrl+Alt+R

Resize the lens with the mouse.

Note: You will have to press the “Show all commands” link to expand all of them.

With this update, all platforms support the use of their screen readers in conjunction with the magnifier. Thanks for adding it, Microsoft.

Better options for color filters in contrast settings

For those who would benefit from easier screen visibility, this is an expanded category in settings, allowing the further adjustment of one important option relating to six filter types. These are grayscale, invert, grayscale inverted, Deuteranopia, Protanopia, tritanopia. The latter three may sound like latin medical terms to you, but these are the two primary forms of color blindness people could experience: Protanopia, deuteranopia can impact the distinction of red and green colors, whereas tritanopia results in blue and yellow color blindness. The vast nature of this inclusive option shows that even in this one area, there are a wide range of differences in what people may need from their operating system to help them be more productive and adjust colors to their proper equals.

Dictate anywhere, even in Notepad.

If you are familiar with dictation on Windows phone at all, you will feel familiar with this feature. Most probably won’t be, but Microsoft’s ability to insert punctuation in dictation is one area I have not seen mirrored elsewhere. To dictate, press the Windows key and H together in any editable field. You should hear a rising tone, after which you can speak. Dictation will end automatically once you stop speaking, and you can review the inserted content after. Just like the Emoji panel, this is available anywhere, making it truly a powerful feature.

Additional international voices are available

Microsoft has quietly been expanding the supported voices for each display language of Windows by creating their own voices. A massive amount of languages was added in the creators update, including my own Hungarian, which was quite exciting. In this release, we get Vietnamese, Croatian, Hebrew, Malay, and Slovenian. Quite a good pace for just 6 months, and as pointed out by some readers, only google has offered Vietnamese before this. More languages to hear text in can only be a good thing. During initial Windows installation, these may not be available, so here’s hoping that regional support comes to Narrator during setup also in terms of voice availability.

Eye tracking is here to stay, if you have the hardware

This is very exciting for those with limited mobility or difficulties using traditional input devices, such as a mouse. For around $150, you can Snag an eye-tracking device in the US Amazon store and set it up. You will need to download the software for the tracker and install it first. Ensure that your tracker is setup to mirror your primary display.

if all is set up right, you will now have a new “eye tracking” choice within the Ease of Access settings > Other options panel.

What’s new with Narrator?

This could be the best section I make yet, so I saved it for last. Narrator is the one effort receiving constant sunlight, with the greatest number of changes happening to it over the years of Windows development. You will be glad to know that the annoying “got it!” prompt on scan mode is now gone, and you will hear verbose announcements on whether scan mode is on or off in more places such as while reading edge content. Have a video from Microsoft detailing the console, an area which Narrator now supports out of the box. This makes command-line prompts accessible, which could be an impact for business users who utilize tools for managing servers. In places such as Windows Setup, this could save lives, at least of those who need it.

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Well, our experiment in typing Braille using Narrator failed once again. I tried this on two displays, connected via USB: A Refreshabraille 18 by APH, and a Baum VarioUltra 40. Both displays work over the Baum driver, however it appears as though typing was slightly better with the smaller display.

I mentioned this keyboard input issue in the creators update review, and hopefully seeing this in action will help solidify the need for a fix. Truth is, Braille support is adding more functionality with each release, yet somehow it relying on the current driver and input model is just not feasible. The issues I mentioned in that review regarding compatibility are still there, so if you wish to use a beta Braille product, consider the fact that you will still have to switch for your 3rd-party screen readers. Unfortunately for Narrator, this is more than just a once a month procedure for me.

What is Braille good for? Definitely browsing the web quickly, and now, the newfound ability of entering system commands. I am able to navigate my device mostly off the display, but will reach for the keyboard when the need for typing comes in. Let’s see those keyboard commands. Here’s a list of both new and current ones, to be used on all displays.

Braille Chord combination

Action

1-2-3-4 or 1-2-3-4-7

Go to the next or previous paragraph

1-2-5 or 1-2-5-7

Go to the next or previous heading

2-3-4-5 or 2-3-4-5-7

Go to the next or previous table

1-3 or 1-3-7

Go to the next or previous link

2-4 or 2-4-7

Go to the next or previous item

1-4-5 or 1-4-5-7

Go to the next or previous landmark

1-2-4 or 1-2-4-7

Go to the next or previous form field

1-2 or 1-2-7

Go to the next or previous button

1-4 or 1-4-7

Go to the next or previous combo box

1-5 or 1-5-7

Go to the next or previous edit field

1-2-3-5 or 1-2-3-5-7

Go to the next or previous radio button

1-3-4-6 or 1-3-4-6-7

Go to the next or previous check box

1-6 or 1-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 1

1-2-6 or 1-2-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 2

1-4-6 or 1-4-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 3

1-4-5-6 or 1-4-5-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 4

1-5-6 or 1-5-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 5

1-2-4-6 or 1-2-4-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 6

1-2-4-5-6 or 1-2-4-5-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 7

1-2-5-6 or 1-2-5-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 8

2-4-6 or 2-4-6-7

Go to the next or previous heading level 9

Space + 1-2-3

Turn on input learning, press twice to turn off.

For keyboard input, use these commands.

Braille chord combination

Action

Space + 4-5

Tab key

Space + 1-2

Shift + Tab key

Space + 2-3-4-5

Alt + Tab key

Space + 2-4-5-6

Windows logo key 

Space + 1-2-3-5

Windows logo key  + Tab key

Space + Routing Key 1 through 12

F1 through F12 keys

7

Backspace key

8

Enter key

Space + 2-6

Escape key

Space + 3

Cursor left key

Space + 6

Cursor right key

Space + 1

Cursor up key

Space + 4

Cursor down key

Space + 2-3

Page up key

Space + 5-6

Page down key

Space + 2

Home key

Space + 5

End key

Space + 3-5

Insert key

Space + 2-5-6

Delete key

Chapter 7 of the Narrator guide has been updated with these commands and more information on what is new.

The new Braille settings

You can now adjust both the code and type used as input and output for your display. Previously, this was only one-choice, and grade 2 input is now supported, though I do warn you on mileage with your display model. You can also control the shape of the cursor between a standard options of dots 7 and 8, all dots raised, cursor between cells, and a “do not show cursor” option if you are comfortable with knowing where your position is. With a toggle, you can also disable the blinking of the cursor.

A new message time-out option allows you to change how long various verbosity messages stay on display. For example, if a new notification comes in for an app, you could have it stay on your display for up to 20 seconds.

A few other thoughts on the Braille experience

What confused me the most on my Vario model was the re-assignment of the left space-bar as a backspace key, causing me to actively focus on using the right space key to enter in a space. Since the Refreshabraille does not have this key mapping, it was less of a challenge there. I also noticed that typing feedback during Braille input is currently not happening at all, regardless of code used. This does not mirror keyboard typing, and would help with catching errors. When backspacing on the display, you will hear speech tell you first what you backspaced, then the display will be updated with the active line. Again, this caused a serious issue when backspacing quickly, and forced me to slow down my hammering of backspace.

Braille in Narrator is improving in a solid way, but I sure am glad it has the “Beta” label still.

Narrator Scan mode changes

As mentioned, Scan mode is changing a bit with Narrator. If you use Edge, this is the default mode enabled, however you may find that some combobox controls may not open as reliably with scan mode on. Form fields should disable it automatically as they are reached. If you have a custom auto-complete control on a website, you may also have to disable scan mode to see suggested results. The advantage of scan mode over item navigation, in experience, is that there is less repeated items. Still, some page elements will not read exactly well. Tab control items are a great example of this, and all the headings on Google News. 90% of times, though, using scan mode to read information even in Windows store apps has proven to be the quickest way to navigate with Narrator.

Image descriptions and other minor changes

as demonstrated back in June, Narrator can now caption images automatically through the web and the Microsoft Azure cognative API. This is huge, and can provide some context to various images, if sometimes a little generic. The benefit here is that no other screen reader (as of yet) has this feature, and even if one did, you would be required to pay for the API which generates the descriptions. Microsoft has a huge advantage of processing this with their resources, and it shows with them being first to have the feature.

Finally, it’s worth noting that you can press a new command, Caps + 1, to enable a keyboard learning mode. Press it twice to disable, but this provides a great new way for any computer user to get to know their keyboard and Narrator in an interactive way.

Final conclusions

Wait! Wait! We haven’t even gotten to any changes in Windows apps! How One Note from the store is now very usable with Narrator when compared to its desktop app. Do you want to stick around for an even greater rundown? Yes? No?

Alas, the time has come to wrap up another giant Windows review, and one more further chapter in the history of this never-ending version we call Windows 10. I aim to provide constructive feedback, and while I know some of this may be seen as negative by some towards the progress being made, we must recognize both challenges and improvements together to build an accurate idea of where we are. The vision for Windows 10 is that of Windows everywhere, and this has not yet changed. What has is the approach to the vision, the way in which pieces of Windows fit together to create a more wholesome experience and features which benefit people no matter where they may use Windows.

This update will most likely complete Microsoft’s mantra of “for creators” at least for a bit, as many unpromised features such as “My People” are now part of this release. It was required that the original creators update plans be split into two, as it no doubt made engineering more manageable to build. Much effort went into understanding where people need Windows to have less gaps and which ones should be filled in first to create this new Windows era.

Already after the update, the complaints are far less than they were in the summer of 2016. This either means people aren’t having problems, or are just avoiding the update completely. From looking at my own group of followers and friends, I would say a far greater majority are running this 1709 version than those who ran the update in March by this time. This can only be good. As Windows evolves, I hope your experience with it becomes less jarring and more intuitive for your needs. These reviews will always serve a non-bias experience perspective as much as possible. As we begin to understand the importance of security and privacy in our world today, updating will become ever more important for many, and thus it is only fair that changes and required transitions be made smoother than ever before. If Windows does want to be in more places, it will need to go through far greater optimizations, and if the past 2 years are an indication, the Windows of the future will again look different than the one I am writing about today.

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February 1, 2017

In "News"


Re: Outlook Office 365 Problem Back

Alan Robbins
 

Yes, this type stuff gets frustrating when a problem finally gets fixed and then is broken again in future releases. I have a similar issue with excel and it becoming very sluggish at times and almost unresponsive. This was present in early releases of JAWS 18 and 2018 and was fixed. Now the official release of 2018 has it back again

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook Office 365 Problem Back

 

Jaws 2018 has brought back the Outlook Office 365 problem when typing in email addresses.  If you start typing in email addresses, the name is not spoken and you cannot arrow down through a list of people beginning with that letter.

 

The last beta of Jaws 2018 was working correctly with email addresses.  I hope there is a quick fix, like the one they rolled out for Jaws 18 that you could download if you were having this problem.  I did verify that Jaws 18 is still working correctly with Outlook Office 365 version.

 

I an off to VFO to report the problem.

 

Randy Meyer


Re: new tab page

James Homuth
 

I have the same thing with 14, so if you find a solution, do feel free to share.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim L
Sent: October-30-17 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: new tab page

Heya folks,

 

Is there anyway i can stop Jaws saying new tab page when I change tabs in IE11 on a windows 7 64bit with that latest Jaws 2018?

As my Jaws 17 never says that, just changes to my next tab

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


Re: Facebook question

Stephanie Switzer
 

I know that you can do a live stream and it can be either audio or video but I only know how to do that from your phone.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Donna <mermaid7@...> wrote:

Hi,

I don't know of anyway to share an audio file unless you have the audio file saved in a shared Drop box folder. You then could copy & paste the link to Facebook. Other than that only photos & videos can be shared. 

Donna

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@...> wrote:

Hello all: If I wanted to post an audio piece on Facebook, what’s the procedure? I see people posting photos, sharing links, etc., but I’ve never been able to quite figure out how to do what I want to do here. The audio piece is an .mp3 file, about 2 minutes. I know that when you comment on something, don’t break the text up with carriage returns, for that will cause a “send.” I’ve tried to search for how to post a link, and I’ve seen reference to putting some clarifying text in there. What happens to that, since you typically need a carriage return before and after a link…

 

Is it better to use m.facebook.com for my purpose here?

 

Help to a Facebook luddite greatly appreciated.

 

Gudrun

 

gudrunbrunot.com

Listen to samples and read about my services:

translation, interpreting, sound design, and listen to clips from my CD, J-Walking.

 


Re: new tab page

Bill White
 

You might try the following:

 

1. Open Internet Explorer.

2. Open JAWS Settings Center.

3. In the search, type, Web Verbosity

4. Change Web Verbosity to low.

 

This might resolve your problem with verbalization of New Tab.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim L
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: new tab page

 

Heya folks,

 

Is there anyway i can stop Jaws saying new tab page when I change tabs in IE11 on a windows 7 64bit with that latest Jaws 2018?

As my Jaws 17 never says that, just changes to my next tab

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


Re: Facebook question

Donna <mermaid7@...>
 

Hi,

I don't know of anyway to share an audio file unless you have the audio file saved in a shared Drop box folder. You then could copy & paste the link to Facebook. Other than that only photos & videos can be shared. 

Donna

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@...> wrote:

Hello all: If I wanted to post an audio piece on Facebook, what’s the procedure? I see people posting photos, sharing links, etc., but I’ve never been able to quite figure out how to do what I want to do here. The audio piece is an .mp3 file, about 2 minutes. I know that when you comment on something, don’t break the text up with carriage returns, for that will cause a “send.” I’ve tried to search for how to post a link, and I’ve seen reference to putting some clarifying text in there. What happens to that, since you typically need a carriage return before and after a link…

 

Is it better to use m.facebook.com for my purpose here?

 

Help to a Facebook luddite greatly appreciated.

 

Gudrun

 

gudrunbrunot.com

Listen to samples and read about my services:

translation, interpreting, sound design, and listen to clips from my CD, J-Walking.

 


new tab page

Jim L
 

Heya folks,

 

Is there anyway i can stop Jaws saying new tab page when I change tabs in IE11 on a windows 7 64bit with that latest Jaws 2018?

As my Jaws 17 never says that, just changes to my next tab

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


TEK TALK

Ken Metz <kenmetz1946@...>
 

I don’t know if this is appropriate on this list, but I will let you know that at 5 PM Pacific time today, Eric Damery will be on the Tek Talk program on www.accessibleworld.org in the Pat Price Training Room. He will be on for an hour, and will cover JAWS 2018 and the new Windows update. Some of you may find this interesting. I co-host this program, and just giving out some information for today.

 

Thanks.

 

Ken Metz


Re: program to burn disk

 

Anyburn is a great program and there are 32-bit and 64-bit versions, so if you do have old hardware there is a dedicated version for it.

If one is trying to play the resulting disc on a CD player it's important to know what formats it will play.   Depending on the age you may have to use Anyburn's "Burn Audio CD" feature while if it's one that can handle native MP3 files (and that's what you're starting with), you can generally create a data disc that has all the MP3s on it and they will still play.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker