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moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Richard Turner
 

I rembered remembered about the shared settings from my years of Openbook beta testing.
Of course, at that time, I was a Window-eyes user so they were not that important since I would end up at many points needing to start completely fresh.
I had not done a Jaws uninstall since Jaws 18, my first year with Jaws on my home machine. So, I had 2018-21 installed and had not launched any older versions since I installed 2021.

Like you, I see no need to keep older versions when the current one proves it meets my needs.

Later,

Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Hi Richard,

I always remove my previous version of Jaws once I am satisfied that the latest version is doing all I need it to do. You can safely select to remove the User Settings, but as others pointed out, do not remove shared settings because neither Jaws 2021 nor Openbook would work any more and you would have to reinstall/repair those programs.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

As I said, I have no need of the older programs, and I haven't done a tandem session but once and that was with Eric Damery of FS.

Thanks,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Another good reason for leaving it, is if someone with only an older version is helping you, and you want them to tandem in, they cannot do it if your Jaws is newer than theirs.
Plus, some legacy programs work better with older Jaws.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Thanks John,
I thought that was the case.
All my cleanup is done.
Thanks again,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C376864052ac54bad2b6708d90f107bed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557385735311161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=PUAw%2Bm%2BRZj9iF5Lm3TqE2J%2BpcFt%2BqBsfU8PsRxYT43A%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will make your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>] If you want to remove
clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start
menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by
leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older
versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom
of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove
User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on
this machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave
them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcb890e4304640fb73f808d90f088e77%7
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moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Pastor Gilbert Pries <gilp@...>
 

It's better to leave shared compponents.

Otherwise it will affect your other installation.

 

Pastor Gilbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 6:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

 

Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?

 

I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.

 

And, in case it comes up, I know it isn’t hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

 

Hi Richard,

I always remove my previous version of Jaws once I am satisfied that the latest version is doing all I need it to do. You can safely select to remove the User Settings, but as others pointed out, do not remove shared settings because neither Jaws 2021 nor Openbook would work any more and you would have to reinstall/repair those programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

As I said, I have no need of the older programs, and I haven't done a tandem session but once and that was with Eric Damery of FS.

Thanks,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Another good reason for leaving it, is if someone with only an older version is helping you, and you want them to tandem in, they cannot do it if your Jaws is newer than theirs.
Plus, some legacy programs work better with older Jaws.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Thanks John,
I thought that was the case.
All my cleanup is done.
Thanks again,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb45d8d52421b40d73e9408d90f0dd9a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557374420451639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=tGCdpl1FZIrOLzVKQtikF0aoGzzizDv1TEgImE%2FIrvg%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will make your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>] If you want to remove
clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start
menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by
leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older
versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom
of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove
User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on
this machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave
them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcb890e4304640fb73f808d90f088e77%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557351682790961%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=cfRfB6eJ49NrY%2BZPXW5mX60Gvs%2FuMAy0on2
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moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Richard Turner
 

As I said, I have no need of the older programs, and I haven't done a tandem session but once and that was with Eric Damery of FS.

Thanks,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Another good reason for leaving it, is if someone with only an older version is helping you, and you want them to tandem in, they cannot do it if your Jaws is newer than theirs.
Plus, some legacy programs work better with older Jaws.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Thanks John,
I thought that was the case.
All my cleanup is done.
Thanks again,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb45d8d52421b40d73e9408d90f0dd9a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557374420451639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=tGCdpl1FZIrOLzVKQtikF0aoGzzizDv1TEgImE%2FIrvg%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will make your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>] If you want to remove
clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start
menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by
leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older
versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom
of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove
User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on
this machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave
them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcb890e4304640fb73f808d90f088e77%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557351682790961%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=cfRfB6eJ49NrY%2BZPXW5mX60Gvs%2FuMAy0on2
UWwKR9X0%3D&amp;reserved=0












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moderated Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

Richard Turner
 

Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

 

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go back to an ergonomic keyboard.

So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better ergonomic keyboards.

 

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.

Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.

I'll start with the negatives.

 

Cons:

(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)

1.  Only one Windows key on the left.

2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.

3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.

4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the ergonomics of the thing.

5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

 

Pros:

1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for feet in the back.

2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.

3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.

4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.

5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.

6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.

The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making it a 9 pack.

It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing this in Word on my computer.

7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.

8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it would also be a pro.

 

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout that involves the missing or extra keys.

 

ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the top left key:

Escape

F1

f2

f3

f4

f5

f6

f7

f8

f9

f10

f11

f12

The Function Toggle

Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.

Device 1

Device 2

Device 3

Calculator key

Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't identify).

I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.

App Menu, Applications Key

Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.

* Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace key.

 

The first row where the space bar is located is laid out like this:

Control Key

Windows/Options Key

Alt/Command Key

Spacebar with the split in the middle

Alt/Command Key

Function key, which also seems to have the word Options, probably for Mac/iOS/iPadOS usage.

Control Key

Then your standard arrow keys followed by the standard numpad.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 


moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 

Another good reason for leaving it, is if someone with only an older version
is helping you, and you want them to tandem in, they cannot do it if your
Jaws is newer than theirs.
Plus, some legacy programs work better with older Jaws.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Thanks John,
I thought that was the case.
All my cleanup is done.
Thanks again,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will make
your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>] If you want to remove
clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start menu
shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by leaving
them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions
of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this
list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User
settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this
machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave
them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcb890e4304640fb73f808d90f088e77%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637557351682790961%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=cfRfB6eJ49NrY%2BZPXW5mX60Gvs%2FuMAy0on2
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moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Loy
 

If you decide to remove the old JAWS programs, do not remove the two items you mentioned.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

If you want to remove clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?

 

I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.

 

And, in case it comes up, I know it isn’t hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Richard Turner
 

Thanks John,
I thought that was the case.
All my cleanup is done.
Thanks again,



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will make your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>] If you want to remove
clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

John Covici
 

But whatever you do, DO NOT remove the shared components, this will
make your current version of Jaws inoperative.

On Tue, 04 May 2021 09:55:24 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

[1 <text/plain; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>]
If you want to remove clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by leaving them.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws


Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?



I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.



And, in case it comes up, I know it isn't hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.



Thanks,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com












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moderated Re: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

Tom Behler
 

Soronel:

You correctly diagnosed my problem.

There indeed was an update waiting to be installed.

Once I took care of the update, all returned to normal, and my laptop now stays asleep when the lid is closed.

I guess we learn something new every day. I just never experienced this behavior before.

Thanks much.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

Also, make sure there isn't an update waiting to install, hit win+x go to "Shutdown or sign out" and check whether any of the items say an update is waiting. I have experienced that keeping sleep from working.

On 5/3/21, Bill White <billwhite92701@att.net> wrote:
Hi again, Tom. Also, in whatever power plan you have chosen for your
laptop, go into advanced settings for that plan, and make sure wake
timers are disabled.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@att.net> billwhite92701@att.net

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

Hello, everyone.

In my 30+ years of working with computers, I have never seen an issue
quite this strange, and am hoping for an explanation or a fix from
some of our list members.

I have my Dell Windows 10 laptop set to go to sleep after I close the lid.

This worked relatively well until recently.

Now, my computer still goes to sleep at the set time after closing the
lid, but wakes up again about 2 minutes later, and then stays on
continually from there.

I have checked my sleep settings, and nothing seems to have been
changed, so far as I can tell. In other words, my sleep settings are
what they always have been.

Has anyone on list experienced this issue; and, if so, what did you
do to address it?

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan







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moderated Re: HjPad and save

 

I think I’ll stick with Windows Notepad for basic plain text editing. I think HjPad’s attempts to force rich text formatting is odd but perhaps it considers itself to be a WordPad as opposed to a Notepad substitute.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: HjPad and save

 

Actually, it doesn’t give you a chance to name it first, and it defaults to RTF.

I never saved as RTF, but the first time I loaded the program in a long time was yesterday and it just popped up the dialog to choose Word 6.0, RTf, or TXT when I hit control+n to create a new document.

Even picking txt, which I did, when you go to save it, you get a warning that you will lose all formatting if you save in text format, so you have to pick text from that list.

 

Now, no matter if I do a save as or a straight save, it defaults to rtf.  You have to pick text format.

 

But, to me that is a small price to pay for a non-bloated text editor with the standard spell check feature.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: HjPad and save

 

Or I suspect if Leonard adds a period followed by txt when naming the saved file, he'll get a plain text file.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: HjPad and save

 

When I started a new file with control+n I have the option of Word, RTf, Text, which is alt+t
When I hit control+s to save, I had the same three options, hitting Alt+t set it to plain text.
There is no default format that I find.
Again, I'm running Jaws 2021.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:19 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: HjPad and save

I want .txt not .rtf as the default format when saving a document in HjPad. I don't find how to do this in any of the help topics.










moderated Re: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 

If you want to remove clutter, just remove the shortcuts on the desktop, and move the start menu shortcuts to a cleaner spot.
Unless your computer is short on space, you have much to gain by leaving them.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:52 AM
Subject: Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?

 

I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.

 

And, in case it comes up, I know it isn’t hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Uninstalling old copies of Jaws

Richard Turner
 

Hello,

I have decided since I have not needed to use any of the 3 older versions of Jaws since installing 2021, I would like to tap the wisdom of this list.

There are two items that pop up, Remove Shared Components, and remove User settings.

Will removing both of those impact my Jaws 2021 installation?

 

I know FS uses shared components a lot, and I also have OpenBook 9 on this machine, so want to tread lightly.

 

And, in case it comes up, I know it isn’t hurting my computer to leave them, but I want to remove them to reduce clutter.

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: HjPad and save

Richard Turner
 

Actually, it doesn’t give you a chance to name it first, and it defaults to RTF.

I never saved as RTF, but the first time I loaded the program in a long time was yesterday and it just popped up the dialog to choose Word 6.0, RTf, or TXT when I hit control+n to create a new document.

Even picking txt, which I did, when you go to save it, you get a warning that you will lose all formatting if you save in text format, so you have to pick text from that list.

 

Now, no matter if I do a save as or a straight save, it defaults to rtf.  You have to pick text format.

 

But, to me that is a small price to pay for a non-bloated text editor with the standard spell check feature.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: HjPad and save

 

Or I suspect if Leonard adds a period followed by txt when naming the saved file, he'll get a plain text file.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: HjPad and save

 

When I started a new file with control+n I have the option of Word, RTf, Text, which is alt+t
When I hit control+s to save, I had the same three options, hitting Alt+t set it to plain text.
There is no default format that I find.
Again, I'm running Jaws 2021.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:19 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: HjPad and save

I want .txt not .rtf as the default format when saving a document in HjPad. I don't find how to do this in any of the help topics.











moderated Re: HjPad and save

 

Or I suspect if Leonard adds a period followed by txt when naming the saved file, he'll get a plain text file.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: HjPad and save
 
When I started a new file with control+n I have the option of Word, RTf, Text, which is alt+t
When I hit control+s to save, I had the same three options, hitting Alt+t set it to plain text.
There is no default format that I find.
Again, I'm running Jaws 2021.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:19 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: HjPad and save

I want .txt not .rtf as the default format when saving a document in HjPad. I don't find how to do this in any of the help topics.












moderated Re: HjPad and save

Richard Turner
 

When I started a new file with control+n I have the option of Word, RTf, Text, which is alt+t
When I hit control+s to save, I had the same three options, hitting Alt+t set it to plain text.
There is no default format that I find.
Again, I'm running Jaws 2021.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:19 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: HjPad and save

I want .txt not .rtf as the default format when saving a document in HjPad. I don't find how to do this in any of the help topics.


moderated HjPad and save

leonard morris
 

I want .txt not .rtf as the default format when saving a document in HjPad. I don't find how to do this in any of the help topics.


moderated Re: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

 

There is a recent update, I believe it's a driver update, and for an Intel component, that's causing this issue.  Let me ask a bit, as I know I've heard about this recently.

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moderated Re: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

Soronel Haetir
 

Also, make sure there isn't an update waiting to install, hit win+x go
to "Shutdown or sign out" and check whether any of the items say an
update is waiting. I have experienced that keeping sleep from working.

On 5/3/21, Bill White <billwhite92701@att.net> wrote:
Hi again, Tom. Also, in whatever power plan you have chosen for your
laptop,
go into advanced settings for that plan, and make sure wake timers are
disabled.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@att.net> billwhite92701@att.net

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Very Strange Computer Sleep/Wake Issue

Hello, everyone.

In my 30+ years of working with computers, I have never seen an issue quite
this strange, and am hoping for an explanation or a fix from some of our
list members.

I have my Dell Windows 10 laptop set to go to sleep after I close the lid.

This worked relatively well until recently.

Now, my computer still goes to sleep at the set time after closing the lid,
but wakes up again about 2 minutes later, and then stays on continually
from
there.

I have checked my sleep settings, and nothing seems to have been changed,
so
far as I can tell. In other words, my sleep settings are what they always
have been.

Has anyone on list experienced this issue; and, if so, what did you do to
address it?

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan






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moderated Re: notepad++

Glenn / Lenny
 

I think it is superb as a basic text editor, if I want a word processor, I use Word.
One thing I like about it as well is that I can open a Linux file in windows and it preserves the Linux document structure.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: notepad++

Well, I’m very glad I uninstalled it then.

Again, it is way beyond what anyone would need if all they want is a basic text editor, but good to know I may not have had an official release, though in the fogginess of my memory I thought I got it from there.O wel

l.  It is gone now.

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: notepad++

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

And, frankly, I was a little irritated by their uninstall message.
I won't repeat it here. And, I'm by no means a prude, but it is highly inappropriate .

-
Then you did not have Notepad++ from the source, https://notepad-plus-plus.org/.  There is absolutely nothing inappropriate nor unusual about their uninstall dialogs.  I get asked if I want to keep my custom settings, and that's it.  It just finishes the uninstall without any fanfare.  (Just uninstalled v7.9.1)

This is a professional grade open-source tool that's been around for ages.  They're not pulling any stunts that would tarnish their reputation at uninstall.
 
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