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Re: problem with jaws 2021 sending email with gmail - ms edge
Shan Noyes
The one suggestion I might make would be try it with the interface with a different browser it might help you out not sure though because I don’t use Gmail that way but I do know that from experience different browsers do react differently to HTML document when you’re working with things like jaws and NVDA Have a good day Shan
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On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jim Ruby <jimruby67@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Usin Standard View in GMAIL
brian albriton
I am not familiar with these keyboard commands where would I find them? All the best brian
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On Nov 14, 2020, at 5:57 PM, turab chimthanawala <turabhvc@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry
Richard Turner
What are you expecting to hear with insert+tab? The Jaws help says that command “JAWSKey+Tab Says the current window and the associated prompt label.”
I’m guessing that is the associated prompt.
Richard "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Additional info for my previous inquiry
The Jaws message is being spoken every time I use Insert + tab to check where I’m at. Thanks.
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Re: more on my jaws issue.
T. Civitello
To each his own. I am still using WLM in Win 10 and 7 and haven’t had any
problems. As far as the Registry program, I have had Registry First Aid on my
Win 7 PC for 3 years and it runs once a week and has caused no problems,
Haven’t tried it on Win 10. I used it originally to remove some previous bits of
a previous installation that was blocking the installation of WLM 12, and it
worked. As I said, To each his own. I don’t recommend a registry
program jus telling what I did in desperation. Tom
On
Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:31 PM, T. Civitello wrote: Try one of the registry cleaner programs.- No, no, no, no, no - a thousand times NO! Any professional tech will tell you to avoid these like the plague, and Microsoft agrees: Microsoft support policy for the use of registry cleaning utilities One of the most risky things you can do is to use a registry cleaning program, and I have encountered machines that were sufficiently damaged by same that the only option was a completely clean reinstall of whatever version of Windows happened to be running on it at the time. Windows Live Mail 2012 has been becoming more and more problematic in recent months, and well before Version 2004 of Windows 10, but if you want to see a confirmation that it is becoming even more so, have a look at this topic on Technibble, a tech support group for computer techs only, and where a temporary solution is mentioned: Windows 2004 breaks Windows Live Mail. You'll see my response, too, where I say this development has presented me with an opportunity to force the issue of moving away from Windows Live Mail. I loved WLM, for many years, and even after it was out of support, but it's now becoming one problem after another to keep going, and it's really not a good idea to use something like an email client, that's constantly in contact with cyberspace, when security patches are no longer being done. Moving on to something else is the thing to do, and there are many options. All software has a finite shelf life. -- Brian
- Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The
purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome
it.
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Re: more on my jaws issue.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:31 PM, T. Civitello wrote:
Try one of the registry cleaner programs.- No, no, no, no, no - a thousand times NO! Any professional tech will tell you to avoid these like the plague, and Microsoft agrees: Microsoft support policy for the use of registry cleaning utilities One of the most risky things you can do is to use a registry cleaning program, and I have encountered machines that were sufficiently damaged by same that the only option was a completely clean reinstall of whatever version of Windows happened to be running on it at the time. Windows Live Mail 2012 has been becoming more and more problematic in recent months, and well before Version 2004 of Windows 10, but if you want to see a confirmation that it is becoming even more so, have a look at this topic on Technibble, a tech support group for computer techs only, and where a temporary solution is mentioned: Windows 2004 breaks Windows Live Mail. You'll see my response, too, where I say this development has presented me with an opportunity to force the issue of moving away from Windows Live Mail. I loved WLM, for many years, and even after it was out of support, but it's now becoming one problem after another to keep going, and it's really not a good idea to use something like an email client, that's constantly in contact with cyberspace, when security patches are no longer being done. Moving on to something else is the thing to do, and there are many options. All software has a finite shelf life. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Jaws question
Dan Longmore
Hi, in the 2021 version under the basics settings there is a checkbox to determine if jaws appears in the system tray. If unchecked jaws comes up on the taskbar which is the default
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Re: Jaws question
David,
I don't exactly know how to describe what is very often called the system tray, also known as the notification area under Windows 10, other than to say it's a part of the taskbar, and located to the right side of the taskbar in its own section. Windows Key+B has the shortcut to throw focus to it for a very long time. Under Windows 10 the first item will always be the overflow area chevron, which gets announced a couple of different ways depending on the screen reader, and where icons that you don't want to have to deal with all the time get tucked. The ones you do want to have in the notification area all the time are shown to the right of the overflow area chevron. I can't remember now which JAWS setting it is that controls whether the JAWS window will appear in the taskbar items that you can get to via ALT+TAB to cycle through them, versus in the system tray/notification area. I know it exists, and even dealt with it recently, but I can't recall its location in the JAWS settings at the moment and don't have JAWS 2021 handy to check to see where it is. Unless they've changed something recently I believe that the JAWS window will appear on the taskbar unless you tweak the setting that says to run it from the system tray. I could, of course, be remembering the default state incorrectly. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Jaws question
JM Casey
It's just a way of accessing certain information or programmes that tend to
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run in the background. If you don't have JAWS set to have its own window open all the time, it will appear in the system tray. Whether its there or not is really up to your personal preference. Where is JAWS located? On your hard drive? It should mostly be within c:\program files\freedom scientific. Though it does leave stuff in several folders and in your user profile, that's where the main executable files should be.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: November 21, 2020 06:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Jaws question Hello list: What, exactly, is the "system tray", and is thiswhere my Jaws 2021 program should be located? Lastly, how do I tell where my 2021 Jaws is located? Thank you, David S. Pearson
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Re: more on my jaws issue.
T. Civitello
I have been following this thread and have two suggestions. 1. Call Freedom
Scientific Monday morning. They will get into your computer remotely and resolve
the problem. 2. Try one of the registry cleaner
programs. I had a problem where Windows Live Mail would not install for
me. I scoured the Internet and followed the suggestion to use a registry cleaner
program, tried it and it worked. Tom
Have you tried to redownload the JAWS 2021 file
again. It should install weather you have a license or not.
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From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue. I did exactly that, and they told me to go to FS for help, because they said it was a jaws issue.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Loy
If you have a smart phone with Be My Eyes you can call the Microsoft disability desk with it and then they can help you. I had them to help me change a setting in my BIOS using the Be My Eyes app. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill White Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:27 PM Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.
Microsoft can't help him boot in safe mode. They don't have any control of his computer in safe mode.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
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Additional info for my previous inquiry
Norma A. Boge
The Jaws message is being spoken every time I use Insert + tab to check where I’m at. Thanks.
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Jaws question
David Pearson
Hello list:
What, exactly, is the "system tray", and is thiswhere my Jaws 2021 program should be located? Lastly, how do I tell where my 2021 Jaws is located? Thank you, David S. Pearson
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Jaws too verbose with Zoom
Norma A. Boge
Hi group,
I’m using Jaws 2020.2008.24 on my Win 10 PC. There are times, When tabbing around in Zoom, Jaws says “Alerts Enabled. before identifying what is currently in focus. This has been happening since I began using Zoom in April. Would someone please let me know what I need to do to get rid of this message.
Thanks, Norma
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Re: more on my jaws issue.
Loy <loyrg2845@...>
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Have you tried to redownload the JAWS 2021 file
again. It should install weather you have a license or not.
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From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue. I did exactly that, and they told me to go to FS for help, because they said it was a jaws issue.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Loy
If you have a smart phone with Be My Eyes you can call the Microsoft disability desk with it and then they can help you. I had them to help me change a setting in my BIOS using the Be My Eyes app. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill White Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:27 PM Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.
Microsoft can't help him boot in safe mode. They don't have any control of his computer in safe mode.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
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Re: more on my jaws issue.
Jim Rawls
I did exactly that, and they told me to go to FS for help, because they said it was a jaws issue.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 7:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.
If you have a smart phone with Be My Eyes you can call the Microsoft disability desk with it and then they can help you. I had them to help me change a setting in my BIOS using the Be My Eyes app. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill White Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:27 PM Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.
Microsoft can't help him boot in safe mode. They don't have any control of his computer in safe mode.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
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Re: Forms mode: your preferences
Cohn, Jonathan
I really dislike automatic, too many times, I have found that automatic turns off forms mode when I don't want it too. Either because I moved passed the end of what I was inputting, or because Javascript code changed something in the input area and forms mode flipped out. I usually, use semi-automatic except in places where I have overridden it with manual. The hardest part about manual forms mode is that if you let somebody else use your computer, they have the hardest time with the fact that when you click on an input field, and then type aa character it is grabbed by the Virtual Cursor and JAWS moves somewhere else.
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Re: problem with jaws 2021 sending email with gmail - ms edge
Laura Shumate <larelishumate@...>
I see this same issue.
I just go up into the links list and hit I until it says inbox. Then I go to the message I replied to if it's there and then enter on it and hit B for Buttons until I get to the delete button and delete the Message. Laura Shumate larelishumate@gmail.com If you need Android or Jaws for windows Support: Call 254-300-7667 On 11/21/20, Jim Ruby <jimruby67@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Since upgrading from jaws 2020 to jaws 2021 wen replying to email --
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problem with jaws 2021 sending email with gmail - ms edge
Jim Ruby
Hi, Since upgrading from jaws 2020 to jaws 2021 wen replying to email
jaws don't behave like it did in 2020. when I finish a reply and click send jaws does not update and I still see my message in the edit field and I can not click on any links, it does nothing. steps. open gmail use the html view click on a message go down to the reply edit field and enter a message and click send At this point jaws breaks or at least is no longer responding like it did in 2020 In jaws 2020 you would hear message sent and the reply edit field would be empty and you could go down and click the link to return the the mail box you were working in such as in box. If I go back to jaws 2020 it works as expected. Anyone else noticing this?
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Re: Forms mode: your preferences
Mario
I have forms mode set to manual. it is just as easy to type e to navigate to an edit field and see if it's the one that's needed. I don't like the automatic setting for forms mode especially when just reviewing what's on a web page. semi automatic is ok but I still prefer manual.
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From: Mark [mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:57 PM Subject: Forms mode: your preferences When it comes to forms mode, what are your preferences for settings: manual, automatic, semi-automatic? And any particular reasons for your preference? Mine is set to automatic but I'm now wondering if there might be something better. I'd like to hear others have to say, while I experiment.
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Re: having trouble with links
Shirley Tracy
Hi Jim,
That’s part of my problem. I’m using Gmail through MS Mail with JAWS 2021. Someone else suggested clicking on the first or second letter of the link, and it does help in most cases. Funny, sometimes a link will work and sometimes the same link will not work. I have also learned to wait a bit after I enter the link. Apparently, it sometimes takes a while for it to work. I have often been impatient.
Shirley Tracy
From: Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: having trouble with links
Hi, I am having the same problem on gmail. I If I type my email and just press enter on the send button the email will send, but jaws will not update so it looks like the email is not sent, but if I move the cursor to the second or third letter on the button it works. however if I continue to scroll down and try and hit the link to go back to the mail box I am working in I can never get that to work. I'm using gmail in html with ms edge with latest jaws 2021.
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Re: having trouble with links
Glenn / Lenny
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If it is a button, do you move to it with the
letter B?
I usually use space bar on buttons before trying
the enter key.
HTH.
Glenn
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From: Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: having trouble with links Thanks
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