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moderated Re: Using Facebook

Jed Barton
 

I definately would use the mobile version. I use it heavily every day
and it works great. The full facebook site is a nightmare.

On 8/25/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
I read the comments here and…

While I too use m.facebook.com because it’s not much of an obnoxious setup,
it is a somewhat buggy and very stripped down way of accessing facebook.
There are just some things that you either can’t do or that are very
inconvenient.

If you have a list of stuff, for instance, like your friends, you’ll have to
keep hitting ‘see more” over and over again just to see a few more entries
appear. It is very annoying if say you have hundreds of friends and you want
to go through them all to perhaps take out the trash, if you know what I
mean.



Anyway, I can’t tell from these messages what it is exactly you want to do?
What things are giving you the most issues/frustrating you the most, that
yout hink you should be able to do or have seen others do? Maybe that’s a
good starting point.



As for docs, I’m not sure there really are any except the help available
from facebook itself. Look for “help centre”; it should be near the bottom
of just about every m.facebook.com page. Alt-shift-0 is supposed to be a
quick way of getting there and indeed it works for me, but it might not for
you depending on your setup – I personally like these kind of web-page
specific hotkeys sometimes but not everyone does and obviously mobile
browsers and such don’t support them, so some developers consider them a
“bad accessibility crutch”.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: August 24, 2020 8:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Facebook



I already do.

Any further advice?

Many thanks.

Ron



From: Loy

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 20:42

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Using Facebook



try using the mobile version at M.facebook.com, it works somewhat better
with JAWS

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Kolesar

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: Using Facebook



I can agree with this.

I too have a huge time getting around out on face book via both JAWS and or
NVDA.

Even though my brother who’s also a jaws user, has a better time out on face
book than I do.

I’ve been thinking of pulling my face book account down, since I don’t use
it all that much.

But, if I can get some advice from a fellow JAWS user to make it more
accessible, than I’ll probably use it more often.

Just my two cents on this topic.

Ron Ham Radio Station KR3DOG



From: Kevin meyers

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:16

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Using Facebook



Hello,



I’m using windows 10 and Jaws 2020 most recent versions. I have been looking
for Facebook documentation. Does anyone know of any thing will help? I’m
always having problems finding the list of my friends. Or viewing a comment
someone makes which I get through an email.



Thanks,



Kevin



In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG







moderated Re: Using Facebook

JM Casey
 

I read the comments here and…

While I too use m.facebook.com because it’s not much of an obnoxious setup, it is a somewhat buggy and very stripped down way of accessing facebook. There are just some things that you either can’t do or that are very inconvenient.

If you have a list of stuff, for instance, like your friends, you’ll have to keep hitting ‘see more” over and over again just to see a few more entries appear. It is very annoying if say you have hundreds of friends and you want to go through them all to perhaps take out the trash, if you know what I mean.

 

Anyway, I can’t tell from these messages what it is exactly you want to do? What things are giving you the most issues/frustrating you the most, that yout hink you should be able to do or have seen others do? Maybe that’s a good starting point.

 

As for docs, I’m not sure there really are any except the help available from facebook itself.  Look for “help centre”; it should be near the bottom of just about every m.facebook.com page. Alt-shift-0 is supposed to be a quick way of getting there and indeed it works for me, but it might not for you depending on your setup – I personally like these kind of web-page specific hotkeys sometimes but not everyone does and obviously mobile browsers and such don’t support them, so some developers consider them a “bad accessibility crutch”.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: August 24, 2020 8:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Facebook

 

I already do.

Any further advice?

Many thanks.

Ron

 

From: Loy

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 20:42

Subject: Re: Using Facebook

 

try using the mobile version at M.facebook.com, it works somewhat better with JAWS

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: Using Facebook

 

I can agree with this.

I too have a huge time getting around out on face book via both JAWS and or NVDA.

Even though my brother who’s also a jaws user, has a better time out on face book than I do.

I’ve been thinking of pulling my face book account down, since I don’t use it all that much.

But, if I can get some advice from a fellow JAWS user to make it more accessible, than I’ll probably use it more often.

Just my two cents on this topic.

Ron Ham Radio Station KR3DOG

 

From: Kevin meyers

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:16

Subject: Using Facebook

 

Hello,

 

I’m using windows 10 and Jaws 2020 most recent versions. I have been looking for Facebook documentation. Does anyone know of any thing will help? I’m always having problems finding the list of my friends. Or viewing a comment someone makes  which I get through an email.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

Randy Barnett
 

It works for me in Edge Cgromium.

On 8/24/2020 3:13 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

No, not in Microsoft Edge either.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Using Facebook

Ron Kolesar
 

I already do.
Any further advice?
Many thanks.
Ron
 

From: Loy
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 20:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Facebook
 
try using the mobile version at M.facebook.com, it works somewhat better with JAWS
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Kolesar
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Using Facebook
 
I can agree with this.
I too have a huge time getting around out on face book via both JAWS and or NVDA.
Even though my brother who’s also a jaws user, has a better time out on face book than I do.
I’ve been thinking of pulling my face book account down, since I don’t use it all that much.
But, if I can get some advice from a fellow JAWS user to make it more accessible, than I’ll probably use it more often.
Just my two cents on this topic.
Ron Ham Radio Station KR3DOG
 
From: Kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Facebook
 

Hello,

 

I’m using windows 10 and Jaws 2020 most recent versions. I have been looking for Facebook documentation. Does anyone know of any thing will help? I’m always having problems finding the list of my friends. Or viewing a comment someone makes  which I get through an email.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: JAWS stops talking

Ray Lough
 

My system is a dell Inspiron 3400 high performance desktop with an I5 processor

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Nixey
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS stops talking

 

I was having this problem with a Windows 10 laptop that was only just better than the minimum specifications required to run Jaws 2020.

 

I decided to splash out on a laptop with an intel I-7 processer and 16 GB of ram, and the difference is astonishing. I can count on one hand the number of times this has happened over the past 4 months, previously it was happening every day, several times a day.

 

Cheers, Jon

 


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

clarence carter
 

Thanks!

I think that will work.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Make sure the virtual cursor is turned on, Insert + Z, is the toggle keystroke.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

No, not in Microsoft Edge either.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Using Facebook

Loy
 


try using the mobile version at M.facebook.com, it works somewhat better with JAWS

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Using Facebook

I can agree with this.
I too have a huge time getting around out on face book via both JAWS and or NVDA.
Even though my brother who’s also a jaws user, has a better time out on face book than I do.
I’ve been thinking of pulling my face book account down, since I don’t use it all that much.
But, if I can get some advice from a fellow JAWS user to make it more accessible, than I’ll probably use it more often.
Just my two cents on this topic.
Ron Ham Radio Station KR3DOG
 
From: Kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Facebook
 

Hello,

 

I’m using windows 10 and Jaws 2020 most recent versions. I have been looking for Facebook documentation. Does anyone know of any thing will help? I’m always having problems finding the list of my friends. Or viewing a comment someone makes  which I get through an email.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

Bill White
 

Hi, Randy. Is your Virtual Cursor turned on with JAWS key plus Z?

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

Mike B
 


Make sure the virtual cursor is turned on, Insert + Z, is the toggle keystroke.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

No, not in Microsoft Edge either.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Bill.

 

I want to stay in edit mode in Microsoft Word, so will keep things as is.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hi, Tom. You wrote:

When I try turning the virtual cursor on and off in Microsoft Word via insert Z, I get quick keys on or off.

 

This is normal behavior in Microsoft Word, so you can navigate between headings, and so forth. If Quick Key Navigation is off, you are in edit mode.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

In Outlook, when I hit insert Z for virtual cursor, I get a message that says “unavailable”.

 

Do you or any others know what this means?

 

When I try turning the virtual cursor on and off in Microsoft Word via insert Z, I get quick keys on or off.

 

In Excel, the virtual cursor can be turned either on or off normally.

 

Not quite sure what is going on here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hi, Tom. No. Virtual Cursor should be turned on in these programs anyway. Even if it weren't, you'd need to perform the same keystroke in these other programs to change anything with them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. You wrote:

When I try turning the virtual cursor on and off in Microsoft Word via insert Z, I get quick keys on or off.

 

This is normal behavior in Microsoft Word, so you can navigate between headings, and so forth. If Quick Key Navigation is off, you are in edit mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

In Outlook, when I hit insert Z for virtual cursor, I get a message that says “unavailable”.

 

Do you or any others know what this means?

 

When I try turning the virtual cursor on and off in Microsoft Word via insert Z, I get quick keys on or off.

 

In Excel, the virtual cursor can be turned either on or off normally.

 

Not quite sure what is going on here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hi, Tom. No. Virtual Cursor should be turned on in these programs anyway. Even if it weren't, you'd need to perform the same keystroke in these other programs to change anything with them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

 

I did this for both Google Chrome and Firefox.  In other words, use virtual cursor is now checked in both browsers.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hi again, Tom. Another thing to try is this.

 

1. Start either Google Chrome or Firefox.

2. Press INSERT plus six on the numbers row to bring up Settings Center.

3. In the search box type the word use

4. One of the options that may result is Use Virtual PC Cursor.

5. Make sure this is checked.

6. When closing Settings Center, save the configuration file. It will prompt you if you wish to do this.

 

This should keep the Virtual Cursor on each time you start either Chrome or Firefox.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

 

In Outlook, when I hit insert Z for virtual cursor, I get a message that says “unavailable”.

 

Do you or any others know what this means?

 

When I try turning the virtual cursor on and off in Microsoft Word via insert Z, I get quick keys on or off.

 

In Excel, the virtual cursor can be turned either on or off normally.

 

Not quite sure what is going on here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hi, Tom. No. Virtual Cursor should be turned on in these programs anyway. Even if it weren't, you'd need to perform the same keystroke in these other programs to change anything with them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

Dan Longmore
 

No, not in Microsoft Edge either.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Copy From Web page

Randy Barnett
 

I just tried this and couldn't find it either...

On 8/24/2020 8:41 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike and all:

 

I was able to follow your instructions for specifying how to copy content from web pages in Firefox, but could not find the virtual cursor options in the Jaws quick settings to make the change in Google Chrome.

 

Here are the steps I used, as copied from yesterday’s e-mails:

 

1. Open your web browser of choice.

 

2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.

 

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

 

5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.  Repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 

Can anyone tell me why the virtual cursor options don’t seem to be available in Google Chrome?

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2020 on a Dell Windows 10 laptop here.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Sharon,

 

When making this settings change in a browser and using the Jaws quick settings feature, this should only effect the way text is copied while on the internet using this particular browser.  Each browser needs to be set-up individually using the same steps.

 

Making this settings change in a browser shouldn't change the way text is copied from a program like Word, but should only effect the way text is pasted into a program like Word since only the text is copied and then pasted.

 

Whenever you use the Jaws quick settings feature, Insert + V, while in any application this settings change is application specific to only this application and should not effect any others.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

It’s interesting.

I went into google and changed to virtual view.

Now all of a sudden, all my issues with copying, cutting, and deleting text in a web browser and in Word went away.

This setting seems to work on all programs; is this correct?

I’m using Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 latest update.

 

Using Jaws 2018, copy, cut, and delete seemed to work, without my changing any setting.

But in 2020 the other setting does not work at all, but virtual viewer does.

This seems to have solved many issues with cutting, copying and deleting text.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike is saying that repeated pressing of the spacebar enables you to alternate between the two choices. When you hear the one you want, stop pressing the spacebar and go to the next step.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Mike:

 

These instructions are quite useful, and I’ll save them for future reference.

 

However, I do have one question:

 

Here is what you said in step 5:

 

5. “Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.”

 

Let’s say I choose “full content using on screen highlight”.

 

I’m not sure what you mean by your next statement that says:  “stop on the virtual cursor option”.

 

Can you clarify?

 

Thank you.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

Hi Clarence and Abraham,

 

Here's a setting that you might want to switch to in Jaws quick settings if you haven't already.

 

Note, just to clarify:  If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
 
You can change this option in Jaws Quick Settings, Insert + V, while in your browser.

 

To make the change, do the following:
1. Open your web browser of choice.
2. Press, Insert + V, to open Jaws Quick Settings.
3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor options.

 

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.
5. Use, Shift + Tab, to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar to toggle the Select and Copy options.  Your options are, From virtual cursor,
and, Full content using on screen highlight.
Stop on the, From virtual cursor, option.
 
6. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I think I will give them a call. If they have a fix, maybe they might share it.

 

Thanks Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Copy From Web page

 

I run into the same problem with both chrome and Firefox.

When I contact freedom scientific support and they  tandem into my computer, it starts working all of a sudden.

 

 

Thanks,abraham 

 

On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have found some occassions where JAWS will not allow me to copy portions of a web page.

 

What happens is I select what I want to copy, or I think that I do, then I attempt to copy it.

 

Even though I selected what I want to copy, it will not copy it. This does not happen all of the time but it is enough to be annoying.


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

netbat66
 

the problem is most of the time this does not work.
i can set it to stay on or off for all applications and when i go to another web page it will still go back to the previous setting i had before i turned it on or off for all applications.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question



Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.





Bill White

billwhite92701@...







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question





Hello, everyone.



Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.



Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??



If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.



Thank you!



Tom Behler


moderated Re: JAWS stops talking

Sharon
 

Yea, that was the first thing we tried.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS stops talking

 

Hi Ray & Sharon,

 

I wonder if this could possibly be a soundcard issue.  Try the following and see if this settings change helps or not.

1. Press, Insert + 6, on the the number row to open the Settings Center, now press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Settings Center default all applications.

 

2. Down arrow to, Users, and right arrow to open.

 

3, Down arrow several times to, Avoid speech cut off when using Bluetooth headphones or some soundcards, if this is unchecked press the spacebar to check it, tab to, apply, press the spacebar, tab to, okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

See if this helps and if it doesn't a call to Freedom Scientific / Vispero tech support might be in order.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Ray Lough

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:26 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS stops talking

 

Sometimes it will restart on its own but generally I have to restart it.  This problem also occurs in outlook when going from my inbox to my sent box.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS stops talking

 

When Jaws stops talking, does it resume speaking after a period of time, or do you have to restart Jaws with a Jaws start-up shortcut keystroke?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Ray Lough

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 8:02 AM

Subject: JAWS stops talking

 

About a month ago I got a new Windows10 computer with JAWS20 home.  Whenever I switch between apps with alt-tab I lose speech.  Has anyone experienced this and is there a fix?

 


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Bill White
 

Hi again, Tom. Another thing to try is this.

 

1. Start either Google Chrome or Firefox.

2. Press INSERT plus six on the numbers row to bring up Settings Center.

3. In the search box type the word use

4. One of the options that may result is Use Virtual PC Cursor.

5. Make sure this is checked.

6. When closing Settings Center, save the configuration file. It will prompt you if you wish to do this.

 

This should keep the Virtual Cursor on each time you start either Chrome or Firefox.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 


moderated Re: Using Facebook

Ron Kolesar
 

I can agree with this.
I too have a huge time getting around out on face book via both JAWS and or NVDA.
Even though my brother who’s also a jaws user, has a better time out on face book than I do.
I’ve been thinking of pulling my face book account down, since I don’t use it all that much.
But, if I can get some advice from a fellow JAWS user to make it more accessible, than I’ll probably use it more often.
Just my two cents on this topic.
Ron Ham Radio Station KR3DOG
 

From: Kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Facebook
 

Hello,

 

I’m using windows 10 and Jaws 2020 most recent versions. I have been looking for Facebook documentation. Does anyone know of any thing will help? I’m always having problems finding the list of my friends. Or viewing a comment someone makes  which I get through an email.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Virtual Cursor Question

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. No. Virtual Cursor should be turned on in these programs anyway. Even if it weren't, you'd need to perform the same keystroke in these other programs to change anything with them.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Bill:

 

Yes, that solved my problem.

 

Will that have any impacts for my other commonly-used apps such as Outlook, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc.?

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Yes. Instead of pressing INSERT plus Z in the browser while the cursor is off, try pressing the same keystroke twice quickly. It should say Virtual cursor will be turned on for all applications.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual Cursor Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Ever since I went into Jaws settings, and set Jaws to “Full content using on screen highlight” in both Firefox and Google Chrome, I now need to manually turn on my virtual cursor every time I open up a web site in either browser.

 

Is there a way I can avoid this extra step??

 

If not, I may set things back to the virtual cursor option.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler