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moderated Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi Mark,

 

I’m having somewhat similar problems with JAWS 2021, and I also end up reverting to 2020.

 

Regarding messages with tables, I suggest opening up a message, any message, and pressing JAWS key+v to open JAWS quick settings. Type “table” into the search field, and then arrow down through the options. Actually, I’ve just checked my notes of previous posts that have worked for me, and I’ll copy them here:

 

Bill white. Try opening Outlook. Press JAWS key plus V for Quick Settings. In the search box, type table detection

Uncheck this option, TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

See if this allows your email to be read correctly.

Another answer. If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  

 

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moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Michael Mote
 

Hi Debbie. I am sure you have already tried this, but are you sure that your browser is maximized. Windows plus up arrow should do it for you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

 

Hi all,

 

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

 

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

 

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

 

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby Hill
 

I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
am stuck at the top of the page.

By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says
"JAWS find."

Thanks for trying!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature
using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc
mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large
webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems
that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up
or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6
to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage.
It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it
should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and
changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using
usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium
browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F
instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Mario
 

BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM
Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual
pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is
insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest
JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly
large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a
page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither
arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get
to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars
until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is
time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is
happening in both Edge and Chrome.

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop
settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop
computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different
braille display using usb, but no change.

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the
chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control +
insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby


moderated Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Chris Hill
 

Hello.

Why are you using the browser's own find command?  If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout.  It will work much better.


CH



On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:

Hi all,

 

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

 

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

 

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

 

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby


moderated Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers

Debby Hill
 

Hi all,

 

I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.

 

I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.

 

By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.

 

I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby


moderated Re: jaws and outlook problem

Debby Hill
 

Hi Gery,

 

This is probably a long shot, but it has happened to me before in Outlook. Is your braille set to structure mode? To check this in Outlook:

 

Press insert + V.

In the search field type “braille” without the quotes.

Arrow down to “braille mode.”

If it says “line” press the spacebar until you see “structured.”

 

Hopefully that will help!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and outlook problem

 

But, you have braille everywhere else?

 

If so, try turning off the preview pane.

I assume you have maximized the screen?

And/or rebooted?

Which versions of the software are you using?

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:46 AM
To: JFW@GROUPS.IO
Subject: jaws and outlook problem

 

I don’t have any braille on my display when in outlook.  No preview, no info when I try to read messages.  I had thiws a while back and It had something to do with I think insert f or something.  I saved the message on my work computer and thought I had forwarded it to my home email address.  I no longer have access to my work computer since I have retired.  Does anyone remember this being on the list a month or so ago?


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Dave Durber
 


Don:
 
JAWS is reporting the correct way that Outlook and Word produce the hyphen character by default. For example:
 
The short hyphen with a space on either side, is called an "n dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital letter "n". This is the same as typing "space hyphen space".
 
the long hyphen with a space on either side, is called an "M dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital letter "M". This is the same as typing "space hyphen hyphen space".
 

---- Original Message -----
From: Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Using hyphen

Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.
 
Don
 
From: kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM
Subject: Using hyphen
 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Mark,

I would suggest running a Jaws Repair and then if the problem persists, run a repair on Office 365. I would do an online repair of Office as it’s more thorough than a quick repair. It wil take longer, but no more than 30 minutes. Good luck.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  

 

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moderated Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Cussons, M. (Mark)
 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  


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moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Laura Shumate
 

Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't
even last 30 minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684











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moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

The school that requires all students to wear a blind fold does this so everyone is on a level playing field.  True instructors can do wear a blind fold, but they can take it off at the end of the day.  Apparently at one school, a trainer took the blind fold off right away because she panicked.  Must be nice to get your sight back and have that ability.  Grin. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

Here is a twist, A group of O & M instructors were at a seminare with some of their students.  The power went out and they panicked.  They went so far as to put candles on the rug so they could be guided by the candle light.  One of their students offered to guide them, they declined.  Point?  This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in? I think it is excellent that a teacher of VIPs wants to join a list like this because it gives him or her insight into our world.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.

In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight.

If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.

Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it.

And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Laura Shumate
 

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
Technology is a cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he
said after a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684

On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds
typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so
the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight.
If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that
person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use
the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the
street who does not even use the product. As far as rules go, although one
could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it.
And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem
lister.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Barnett
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can
empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they
aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.


On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:


I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all
students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to
supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? So they rely on
their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How will the sighted know
about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them. It
drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to
click on the yellow X. Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling
your department.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member



Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should
have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI
sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
shore for a very long time.

~ André Gide






--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight.
If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it.
And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Randy Barnett
 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Mario
 

in the first example, it is auto correcting the dash or hyphen into the HTML equivalent? just guessing.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Barnett [mailto:blindmansbluff09@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 7:01 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
the first says "in dash". by line, word and letter. and the second
doesn't say anything other than the two words by line and dash by word
or letter. I wonder why it is adding the "N" sound to the dash in my
setup. It is a distinct N sound not an on sound.


On 1/27/2021 3:45 PM, Marty              wrote:

Kevin,  Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading
letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line.  The
second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and
nothing when reading line by line.  I am using JAWS 21.  I have
noticed this in earlier versions of JAWS as well.
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with
William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full
of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1,
2020
*From:* Kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Using hyphen

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and
when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is
saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the
hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: defender

Stan Holdeman
 

Thanks for the detailed  guide for Defender.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: defender

 

Hi Stan,

 

see if the tutorial below will help:

From: Jim Flusche
Windows defender security center.

 

** Now shortened to just Windows security in the W2004update.

 

This file is updated to the W2004 update. 

 

* The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

*How to use the Windows security program on your computer?

 

*Tip, pin the Windows security program to the Taskbar.

 

How do I do that?

 

Press the windows key, followed by the down arrow, you land in the All Apps list box.

 

Press the letter W, down arrow and highlight, windows  security .

 

Press the applications key, arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow to, pin to Taskbar, press enter.

 

Now the Windows  security program is pinned to the Taskbar, you can skip going directly through the settings area and all the below steps to get to it.

 

*Tip, after pinning it to the taskbar, just press windows key+T, type the letter W, until you hear Windows security, press the Enter key to open it.

 

*Tip, how to go through the settings area to find the Windows security program.

 

Press Windows key+I, you will land in the settings area search edit box, Tab one time.

 

Either press the Right arrow key, or just press the End key to, Update and security, press the spacebar, Tab one time.

 

Down arrow two times to, Windows security , press the spacebar.

 

Tab one time to, open Windows security, Press the Spacebar.

 

*tip, If you have a new computer, you might hear, use Windows security instead.

 

*tip, After you open the Windows security program.

 

On my computer I hear, Virus & threat protectionNo action needed, 1 of 7.

 

** Now with Jaws 2020 I need to Press the Down arrow many times and then I Press the up arrow to see all the catigories under Windows Security.

 

Now Arrow up to Virus & threat protection, you will now hear, 2 of 8, instead of 1 of 7.

 

Press Enter on, Virus & threat protection, my computer says, No threats found, Quick scan Button, Press Enter on quick scan button to start your own  scan
on your computer.

 

When the scan was finished   I herd a chime followed by, a New notification from Windows Security, Windows Defender scan results, Microsoft Defender Antivirus
scanned your device at 6:10:44 PM on ‎7/‎1/‎2020. No new threats were found.

 

*tip, During the scan I Pressed numpad minus followed by Page up a few times, followed by the down arrow to read the progress of the running  scan.‑

 

If you miss the audio notice message, press Windows key+A, down arrow one time, and listen to the action center items, windows security notices should
be the first item.

 

Now to do a full scan, follow the above directions to the quick scan button, this time tab one more time to, Scan options Link, press the spacebar.

 

You land on,  Allowed threats link, Tab to full scan radio button, checked, Tab one time to, Custom scan radio button not checked, Or tab one more time
to Windows Defender Offline scan radio button not checked.

 

Now after what ever radio button you choose, Tab to, the scan now button, press the spacebar.

 

*Tip, if you choose the off line scan, you will hear, save your work, or you may only hear scan now, press the Scan now button again, you will get the
users account notification.

 

Tab to yes, press the enter key.

 

You will hear, signing out, now your computer will begin the restart process while Windows Security does an off line scan.

 

Windows Security will scan your computer during the restart process, when you hear the password or the pin edit box, Windows Security has finished the
off line scan.

 

*tip After you enter your pin or password, the Windows Security window may come up instead of your desktop.

 

When you press enter on the windows security program pinned to the Taskbar, or use it's shortcut windows key+number row position pinned to the Taskbar.

 

In my case, press Windows key+6, will open the windows  security program, you get to skip all the steps in the settings area of W-10 on getting to the
Windows  security program.

 

*How to check the Device performance & health of your computer.

 

Go to Windows  Security.

 

Press the spacebar or enter key on, Device performance & health.

 

Wait for a few minutes.

 

Now either Press the Down arrow, or Tab a few times to, Health report List box.

 

You should hear, Health report List box, Windows UpdateNo issues, 1 of 3

 

Down arrow one time, you should hear, Storage capacityNo issues.

 

Down arrow again, you should hear, Device driverNo issues.

 

* In my opinion the built-in Windows Security program from Microsoft is all you need to keep your computer safe, but if you wish to spend unnecessary money
for another anti-virous program, then go ahead! 

 

The Windows Security program is much easier to use, then it is on trying to explain in a short text file, on how to use the Windows Security program.

 

Well I did my best, I hope I was still able to help some of you, on learning about using the Windows Security program on your computer.

 

* Important,remember The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

 

Sincerely: Jim Flusche. 


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:44 PM

Subject: defender

 

I am rid of McAfee and am now relying on Defender. I have jaws 2021 and windows 10 ver 20h2.

 

Wher can I learn more about Defender? How do I manually request a quick scan, for instance? A little help to get me started will l be appreciated.

 

Stan

 

 

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