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moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Milton Ota
 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: email clients

Mario
 

Greg, I find the accessibility of the web interface of my Hotmail (Outlook) account difficult to navigate. do you, or anyone else, have any hints, tips, or shortcuts that might help me to use it's interface? MS accessibility was going to send me some directions to me to make using the interface easier, but they never did.
after signing into my account, one problem in particular is when I need to navigate to the junk folder to check if a legit email got dumped there.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Greg Loux [mailto:GLoux@TacitIS.net]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2021, 8:04 AM
Subject: email clients
Here is my opinion:

I don't think all webmail clients should be generalized as being good.
Gmail has improved significantly over recent years but, for example, the
Comcast/Xfinity webmail interface is horrible, with ads being shown in
two areas and frequent changes to default settings.

A number of my clients use multiple e-mail services.  I recommend
Outlook, because of its consistency and accessibility across different
mail systems (via IMAP/SMTP)...

Outlook can be acquired separately, as part of an Office 365
subscription (which Microsoft prefers), and as part of an Office Home &
Business or Office Professional suite purchase.

I configure Outlook with an additional Hotmail.com account (Outlook.com
would work too) and that (Exchange connection) enables my Outlook
contacts and calendar to be synchronized with my iPhone contacts and
calendar.  I don't use my Hotmail account for mail.

-Greg Loux


moderated Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

David Griffith
 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: email clients

Judy
 

Alan, I never thought of purchasing it from e-bay. I love e-bay and am quite the queen of reburished items, my iPhones have all been refurbished at a cost I can afford and have worker perfectly. I will check that out. Thanks so much. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Hi Judy,

 

I'm pretty sure you can still purchase Office 2019 Pro directly from Microsoft but probably for the cost of your first born. I was looking at the many sellers on eBay of the Microsoft Office licenses and you can find those selling Office 2016 Pro and Office 2019 Pro from about $60 on up.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan, can you still purchase office 2019? Thanks for this info. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 02:47 PM, Greg Loux wrote:
I don't think all webmail clients should be generalized as being good. 
-
And who, exactly, has done this?   No one I've read, including myself.   Only some webmail clients are good, and a few are very good.  And if you happen to be someone who has access to one of those, and it supports the inclusion of external accounts (Gmail's does) then looking at it as an option makes sense.  It may, or may not, be the option one ends up choosing.   It's the dismissal of all webmail as bad that I have a much bigger problem with.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Greg Loux
 

Here is my opinion:

I don't think all webmail clients should be generalized as being good.  Gmail has improved significantly over recent years but, for example, the Comcast/Xfinity webmail interface is horrible, with ads being shown in two areas and frequent changes to default settings. 

A number of my clients use multiple e-mail services.  I recommend Outlook, because of its consistency and accessibility across different mail systems (via IMAP/SMTP)...

Outlook can be acquired separately, as part of an Office 365 subscription (which Microsoft prefers), and as part of an Office Home & Business or Office Professional suite purchase.

I configure Outlook with an additional Hotmail.com account (Outlook.com would work too) and that (Exchange connection) enables my Outlook contacts and calendar to be synchronized with my iPhone contacts and calendar.  I don't use my Hotmail account for mail.

-Greg Loux


moderated Re: Keyboard shortcut to quickly switch sound cards JAWS2021

Richard Turner
 

This is like the days of DOS or even early Windows when using Macros was relatively easy.

Is there a way to do that without having to get into scripting these days?



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 9:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard shortcut to quickly switch sound cards JAWS2021

Hello,
I frequently find myself needing to switch between my headset and back to laptop default speakers. This occurs when I do not need to use my headset in a given session or switching to go into a Zoom conference.
Is there a keyboard shortcut in JAWS for easier switching than having to go into the utilities menu and locate the sound cards sub menu?
Thank you in advance for any responses.

--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: Keyboard shortcut to quickly switch sound cards JAWS2021

Mario
 

I don't believe there is, but a script could be written to call the utilities and sound card sub menus and then you would arrow to and enter on whichever card you want. I don't know if there's a better way. I'd be interested though if there is.

it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:22 PM
Subject: Keyboard shortcut to quickly switch sound cards JAWS2021
Hello,
I frequently find myself needing to switch between my headset and back
to laptop default speakers. This occurs when I do not need to use my
headset in a given session or switching to go into a Zoom conference.
Is there a keyboard shortcut in JAWS for easier switching than having
to go into the utilities menu and locate the sound cards sub menu?
Thank you in advance for any responses.


moderated Re: email clients

Shan Noyes
 

Hi folks:

 

Since the discussion has moved on to internet security I felt it was time to chime in and stress the importance of keeping all your programs up to date.  I’ve worked in the computer security area for over 20 years providing security consulting and investigations of numerous computer security incidents. 

 

Yes, programs that directly interact with services  over the internet like email programs be it either thick or webmail interfaces as well as browsers need to be kept up to date.  Although there isn’t much one can do in terms of webmail interfaces, because one is at the mercy of the webmail provider for security improvements etc.

 

However, if one only concentrates on these programs i.e. email clients and browser and think well that all I use to interact with the big bad internet well you are doing yourself a disservice.

 

What about things like PDF files found on the internet.  Sure if you are using the PDF  reader found inside the browser well then by keeping the browser upt do date you should be fairly safe.

 

But what if you have changed your PDF  reader to either Adobie or MS  Word?   If you haven’t been keeping them up to date then the risk of viewing that PDF could put you at a greater risk.

 

What about attachments?  Or files that you download via your browser and then open up with either Word, or Excel? 

 

The best approach to lowering your exposure is to keep all your applications up to date with Security patches.

 

I’ve been involved with numerous computer investigations where the computer infection came from the opening of attachments. 

 

The bad guys are getting smarter.  They often minipuate emails so that it looks legit and even coming from a friend of yours. 

 

So as pointed out in a previous email message you as the user are a very important asset in the lowering of your computer security exposure.  If you receive an email from some one you know with an unexpected attachment, before opening that attachment, Do what we say in the security industry and check out of band with the person did you really send this to me.  Out of band meaning don’t reply to the email asking, but rather either call them, or create a brand new message to a different address asking them.  The reason for not replying directly to them via the email is that the bad guys may of faked out the address so rather then you are expecting the email to go to the person you know, but it really goes some where else.

 

Think of computer security like an arms race.  The bad guys come up with a new way to compromise a person’s computer.  The computer industry then patches the issue.  Well what do the bad  guys do?  They don’t give up and go home.  No they start working on another attack vector.  The other thing to keep in mind is that the bad guys are not just individuals hiding in their basements developing new attack features.   There are some very well organized and funded groups trying to compromise your computers.   And yes, some of these groups are state sponsored.

 

Anyways, stay safe on the internet and as well at home with Covid protection.  Have a good day everyone

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Alan,

           The amount of "exposure" is really pretty much dependent on how much you directly interact with cyberspace with any of these programs.  It's entirely possible to almost entirely avoid interacting with cyberspace with programs like Word or Excel (or PowerPoint or Publisher, too).  But the same cannot be said of any e-mail client or web browser.  This is why I limit my real concern for those two classes of program for the most part.

            And the need for constantly upgraded security (which means updates) is never going away.  If anything, the pace is increasing.  Just today, on BleepingComputer, is an article about the latest, greatest breach:  Microsoft's Windows 10, Exchange, and Teams hacked at Pwn2Own.  There's always the next very clever nefarious actor that you need to thwart.  It's an endless cat and mouse game.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.


moderated Re: email clients

James Bentley
 

Thank you for your response.

 

This is good news for those of us who do not like having a lot of new complicated software forceddown our throats.

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Hi, MS 365 is continuously updated and maintained just as Win 10 is. It theoretically will never become outdated or unsupported.

On 4/8/2021 9:09 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, MS 365 is continuously updated and maintained just as Win 10 is. It theoretically will never become outdated or unsupported.

On 4/8/2021 9:09 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Keyboard shortcut to quickly switch sound cards JAWS2021

Shai
 

Hello,
I frequently find myself needing to switch between my headset and back
to laptop default speakers. This occurs when I do not need to use my
headset in a given session or switching to go into a Zoom conference.
Is there a keyboard shortcut in JAWS for easier switching than having
to go into the utilities menu and locate the sound cards sub menu?
Thank you in advance for any responses.

--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: email clients

James Bentley
 

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Richard Turner
 

It could be that I didn't wait long enough before pressing control+page down to change pages when I heard Empty page...
Thanks,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 8:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

Richard,

The PDF version of the OpenBook manual that I had downloaded to my computer appears to be accessible with readable text. The manual is 247 pages long so it does take a couple of minutes before it is readable in Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

What is more frustrating, is the PDF version needs to have OCR done on it...



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FProducts%2FBlindness%2FOpenBookDocumentation&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2aaf36dddfa84b278b6108d8faa5c402%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534937147403327%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=7H3jPTAk8o04B1pvIvP8uPE9Ewu%2BkpMJmzhSeC%2BvWN0%3D&amp;reserved=0



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

?There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

 

Richard,

The PDF version of the OpenBook manual that I had downloaded to my computer appears to be accessible with readable text. The manual is 247 pages long so it does take a couple of minutes before it is readable in Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

What is more frustrating, is the PDF version needs to have OCR done on it...



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FProducts%2FBlindness%2FOpenBookDocumentation&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Y7MnU%2F11AySJ4dw8sAIvc9x%2BGyvG5RBM2PUtqIdO%2FSI%3D&amp;reserved=0



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=mUN9Hc1AmL9WGPy76VA%2BCpMFr0O4zSuChnNz9zy33EM%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

?There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

 

Sorry if this has been address but here is a link to the Freedom Scientific page containing the documentation for OpenBook and Pearl:

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/Blindness/OpenBookDocumentation

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

?There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Bill Tessore
 

OK then.



Shalom,





Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com

On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/Blindness/OpenBookDocumentation



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew















moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Richard Turner
 

Oops, I forgot to also mention, the manual is from July, 2010, when the last major update was done.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FProducts%2FBlindness%2FOpenBookDocumentation&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Y7MnU%2F11AySJ4dw8sAIvc9x%2BGyvG5RBM2PUtqIdO%2FSI%3D&amp;reserved=0



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=mUN9Hc1AmL9WGPy76VA%2BCpMFr0O4zSuChnNz9zy33EM%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Richard Turner
 

What is more frustrating, is the PDF version needs to have OCR done on it...



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FProducts%2FBlindness%2FOpenBookDocumentation&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Y7MnU%2F11AySJ4dw8sAIvc9x%2BGyvG5RBM2PUtqIdO%2FSI%3D&amp;reserved=0



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd864fca251c428e328908d8fa970ad0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637534873909150060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=mUN9Hc1AmL9WGPy76VA%2BCpMFr0O4zSuChnNz9zy33EM%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Richard Turner
 

Here is the link to the documentation page where you can get the user guide in txt or pdf as well as the quick start guide.

They do not offer it in html, audio, or DAISY...


https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/Blindness/OpenBookDocumentation



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenBook training materials

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew






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