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Re: returning to normal desktop

Bill White
 

Hi, Robert. You are correct about CONTROL plus N creating multiple desktop windows. However, these instances are not virtual desktops with associated numbers when using JAWSkey plus T. they are the Windows 10 default desktop, not even the primary desktop.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

It seems that pressing control+n when you are on a desktop creates another instance if you do that more than once.

Try pressing control+n several times. Then see how many desktops are open when you alt+tab, task view Windows key tab or what ever you do to move through windows.

I just created several copies that each had the title "desktop"  But when I closed all of them; there was no desktop when I press alt+tab to move through  windows.  Then I pressed winkey+d to move to the desktop which Jaws title calls desktop 1.

 

It's very interesting if just a bit confusing.

 

Bob

 

 

On 2017-09-26 6:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Robert Logue
 

It seems that pressing control+n when you are on a desktop creates another instance if you do that more than once.

Try pressing control+n several times. Then see how many desktops are open when you alt+tab, task view Windows key tab or what ever you do to move through windows.

I just created several copies that each had the title "desktop"  But when I closed all of them; there was no desktop when I press alt+tab to move through  windows.  Then I pressed winkey+d to move to the desktop which Jaws title calls desktop 1.


It's very interesting if just a bit confusing.


Bob



On 2017-09-26 6:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 



Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Steve Griffiths
 


The hot keys I gave were just shortcuts; you could also use the ribbon by pressing Alt, W, E to get to draft mode, then Alt, W, P to get back to print mode.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 26 September 2017 18:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

this is an awkward work-around, but what I did was 1. press alt+control+n, which brought up NVDA.
2. Press insert+f2, which is NVDA's passthrough key.
3. Press alt+control+n for normal.
4. Turned off NVDA.

At 11:51 AM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a
>supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for
>NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to
>change the hot key for either of these two tasks. Thank you for any
>suggestions.
>
>Carol
>
>
>On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:
>>
>>1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it
>>used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N.
>>That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and
>>other visual stuff.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>If you want, when you've finished you can use
>>Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode,
>>which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.
>>
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>>
>>2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound
>>schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you
>>what very easily. The reason is that attributes
>>like bold and italic are either on or off, so
>>it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when
>>they're on, and another when they're off. But
>>with colours, you can have any number of them,
>>so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a
>>given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read
>>bold text in one voice and italic text in
>>another, but if you have text which is bold and
>>italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I suppose, if you know the exact colours that
>>will appear in your documents, you might be
>>able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?
>>
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>>
>>Steve
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>>From:
>><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
>>Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
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>>
>>Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the
>>say all command if using speech. If I remember
>>rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.
>>
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>>From:
>><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
>>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Hoping someone answers these via email since it
>>would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated
>>
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>>From:
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>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
>>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Hi guys:
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I have two questions;
>>
>>1. regarding text columns:
>>
>>back sometime ago, there was discussion on this
>>list on how to read text columns within a word doc;
>>
>>(e.g. two text columns);
>>
>>The response on handling such matters was to
>>use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,
>>
>>Although this might be a solution in some instances,
>>
>>what if I am reading the doc straight through,
>>say a legal case as the other fella suggested?
>>
>>One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line
>>through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:
>>
>>I have delved into using proofreading schemes
>>and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat †phenomenon;
>>
>>Â
>>
>>It seems that when using one of these schemes,
>>(e.g. attributes, font, and colors);
>>
>>jaws when encountering either bold or italics,
>>the voice will change from “read†to
>>“huge harry†or something similar thereof;
>>
>>However,
>>
>>when encountering changes in color or font,
>>
>>jaws merely says the new color or font in a
>>different voice but then immediately reverts
>>back to default voice when reading the actual text.
>>
>>Example:
>>
>>am reading along and color of text is black on white;
>>
>>Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur ruleâ€,
>>
>>I would like jaws not only to change to the
>>voice when he says “red†but I wish for him
>>to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;
>>
>>when the color of text changes back to black
>>then jaws should default back to his regular voice.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any
>>other way to ask these questions?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for
>>more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?
>>
>>Please advise further.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Sincerely Yours,
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Mike M.
>>
>>[ph: 618 783 9331.]
>>
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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Steve Griffiths
 

Hi Mike,

 

So, the general steps you need to go through are: open the Settings Center, open the scheme you want to modify, make the modifications.

 

More precisely, it's

1. Insert + 6 to open the Settings Center

2. DownArrow to Speech and Sounds Center, RightArrow to expand the tree view, DownArrow to Modify Schemes and Space to open the Modify Schemes dialogue.

Tab to Edit Selected Scheme - assuming you want to edit the scheme currently in use - then Space again to open the Edit Scheme dialogue.

3. Ctrl + Tab six times to the Color page, then Tab to the Add button and press it.

You now get taken through a number of screens where you choose the foreground and background colours the text will have, the behaviour you want JAWS to exhibit, which will be "speak text with this colour using voice" and then the voice you want to use.

And lastly, OK out of the three screens you have open.

 

I hope that makes sense and works for you! Let us know how you get on.

 

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: 26 September 2017 18:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Steve:
Yes that is exactly the case,
I'm going to set the color to something that I want the text to be and when the job is on that color I should then be able to assign it to Read in that voice just as if I were to get a bowl the selection in this case I can change the color to anything so we know what we can tell it to be if I wanted to be rather whatever

 

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On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady@...> wrote:

Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks.  Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol

On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

 

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: Jaws 18 has an update?

Bill White
 

Hi, Shannon. Here are the latest JAWS updates since the July release.

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 18 July 2017 release and the September 2017 update.

 

Microsoft Edge Support (must be enabled in Settings Center)

 

This update introduces support for Edge, the latest web browser from Microsoft included in Windows 10. To use JAWS with Edge, you must be running the Windows

10 Creators update (version 1703) or later. While there are still several JAWS features that are not available in Edge such as selecting and copying using

the Virtual Cursor, PlaceMarkers, Smart Navigation, Flexible Web, and domain-specific settings, we have made the overall experience of navigating pages

in Edge using both speech and braille as similar as possible to working in Internet Explorer, Chrome, or Firefox. As we continue to work with Microsoft

to improve the Edge experience, future JAWS updates will include greater functionality. Edge support is also available in the new JAWS 2018.

 

Edge support is turned off by default in JAWS 18. This is because support for Microsoft Edge depends on some emerging technologies, which we continue to

fine-tune in close collaboration with Microsoft. You can turn on Edge support through Settings Center by doing the following:

 

1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.

2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the JAWS default settings.

3. In the Search edit box, type "edge browser" without the quotes.

4. Press DOWN ARROW to move to "Microsoft Edge Browser Support" in the filtered search results in the tree view.

5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.

6. Press ENTER to save your change and close Settings Center, and then quit and restart JAWS.

 

Once JAWS is restarted, you will be able to use JAWS to access web pages in Edge. If you encounter any unusual issues after enabling Edge support, you

can go back into Settings Center as described above and disable it. If you do this, please let our Tech Support team know so the issue can be investigated.

 

The Virtual Cursor is used to read pages in Edge just like in other browsers. You can use the standard reading commands as well as most of the Navigation

Quick Keys to navigate through pages. Currently, there are a few Navigation Quick Keys that are not yet supported in Edge, however the most used commands;

moving by headings, paragraphs, forms, tables, lists, graphics, and regions, are available. More Navigation Quick Keys will be supported in future updates.

 

Due to the way Edge displays pages, Auto Forms Mode is not available as it is possible to have multiple controls on a single line. You will need to press

ENTER to turn on Forms Mode if you use the ARROW keys to move to form fields.

 

Other familiar JAWS features that are currently supported include:

 

• Displaying a list of links, headings, or form controls by pressing INSERT+F7, INSERT+F6, or INSERT+F5.

• Searching for text on the current page by pressing CTRL+F.

• Obtaining font information by pressing INSERT+F.

• The ability for JAWS to detect changes in the language used on a web page and automatically switch to the appropriate voice if available.

 

As you begin using Edge, one important item to note is that Edge is a modern app with no menu bar that can be accessed using the ALT key. To access Edge

specific features, press TAB from the bottom of a page or SHIFT+TAB from the top. Continue using TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through the various controls

until you cycle back around to the content area. Alternatively, Edge offers many of the same shortcut keys found in other browsers such as CTRL+T to open

a new tab, CTRL+H for History, CTRL+I for Favorites, CTRL+J for Downloads, and so on.

 

Other Changes

 

• Resolved stability issues reported by multiple customers using JAWS with Outlook 365.

• Addressed a reported issue with Audacity, a popular sound editor, where the application would stop working when attempting to open an MP3 file with JAWS

currently running.

• This update contains changes necessary to support Firefox version 57, scheduled for release in the fourth quarter of 2017. Firefox users must update

to JAWS 18.0.4321 to continue using this browser when it updates to version 57.

• Added the latest Brailliant BI display drivers from Humanware to support their Brailliant BI14 braille display.

• Resolved a customer reported issue with the UPS Tracking Research It lookup source not displaying any results.

• In Internet Explorer, addressed a customer reported issue with JAWS not always reading the correct label on form controls when navigating using TAB.

• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly loading settings for Office applications when Office 365 was installed through the Windows Store.

• Addressed an issue with JAWS not reading the contents of a book in the Kindle for PC app.

• In the latest version of Outlook 365, addressed issues with JAWS not reading as expected when navigating in the list of suggestions that displays when

typing a contact's name into a new message or calendar appointment.

• Resolved a customer reported issue where changes to voice profile settings were not being honored for the DECTalk USB hardware synthesizer.

• Addressed an issue with both the DECTalk Express and DECTalk USB hardware synthesizers where JAWS would unexpectedly close when performing a SayAll from

a web browser.

• When running JAWS and ZoomText together in Windows 7, resolved an issue where ZoomText's focus tracking was not working properly on the Secure Desktop

or the Logon screen.

• JAWS visual tracking is now enabled by default when navigating Windows HTML Help content such as the JAWS Help.

• A customer reported that JAWS was not working as expected with a particular Java application. This issue has been resolved.

• Resolved a reported issue with the German version of JAWS not working as expected after attempting to print or close a document in Word 2013.

• Fixed braille output issues with Hebrew.

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 has an update?

 

Hi all,

I am not talking about the 2018 beta of the newest version of jaws. I do not have the beta installed at all.

I had to turn Jaws 18 off today and when I brought it back up I was faced with an update is available dialog. Yes or No were the only choices.

I don’t want to just go around updating things that are not necessary. How can one find out what is in the update?

I went to the website through the help menus but I didn’t find any read-me or any reference to an update for Jaws 18. I did see the beta file for down load and 32 and 64 byte Jaws 18 but I didn’t see any notes on the update I was told about when I launched Jaws.

 

So does anyone know what this is about? What is supposedly fixed/changed/added to Jaws 18?

Where do they put the read-me of the updates?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Jaws 18 has an update?

Brian Prewitt
 

Hi Shannon,

 

You can go to the following link:  http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/jaws/JAWSWhatsNew#Enhancements and read about the fixes and improvements in the September 2017 JAWS 18 update.

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 has an update?

 

Hi all,

I am not talking about the 2018 beta of the newest version of jaws. I do not have the beta installed at all.

I had to turn Jaws 18 off today and when I brought it back up I was faced with an update is available dialog. Yes or No were the only choices.

I don’t want to just go around updating things that are not necessary. How can one find out what is in the update?

I went to the website through the help menus but I didn’t find any read-me or any reference to an update for Jaws 18. I did see the beta file for down load and 32 and 64 byte Jaws 18 but I didn’t see any notes on the update I was told about when I launched Jaws.

 

So does anyone know what this is about? What is supposedly fixed/changed/added to Jaws 18?

Where do they put the read-me of the updates?

Thanks

Shannon


Jaws 18 has an update?

Shannon
 

Hi all,

I am not talking about the 2018 beta of the newest version of jaws. I do not have the beta installed at all.

I had to turn Jaws 18 off today and when I brought it back up I was faced with an update is available dialog. Yes or No were the only choices.

I don’t want to just go around updating things that are not necessary. How can one find out what is in the update?

I went to the website through the help menus but I didn’t find any read-me or any reference to an update for Jaws 18. I did see the beta file for down load and 32 and 64 byte Jaws 18 but I didn’t see any notes on the update I was told about when I launched Jaws.

 

So does anyone know what this is about? What is supposedly fixed/changed/added to Jaws 18?

Where do they put the read-me of the updates?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Ann Byrne
 

this is an awkward work-around, but what I did was
1. press alt+control+n, which brought up NVDA.
2. Press insert+f2, which is NVDA's passthrough key.
3. Press alt+control+n for normal.
4. Turned off NVDA.

At 11:51 AM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks. Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

Â

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

Â

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

Â

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

Â

Steve

Â

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

Â

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

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From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hi guys:

Â

I have two questions;

1. regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

Â

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat †phenomenon;

Â

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read†to “huge harry†or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur ruleâ€,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red†but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

Â

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

Â

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

Â

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

Â

Sincerely Yours,

Â

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]

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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

mike mcglashon
 

Steve:
Yes that is exactly the case,
I'm going to set the color to something that I want the text to be and when the job is on that color I should then be able to assign it to Read in that voice just as if I were to get a bowl the selection in this case I can change the color to anything so we know what we can tell it to be if I wanted to be rather whatever

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On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady@...> wrote:

Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks.  Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Carol Smith
 

Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks.  Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: Desktop 1

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
I’ve noticed this for at least the last year or so if I’m not mistaken.  I just thought it a function of Windows 10’s virtual desktop capability and learned to ignore it (smile).
Robin
 
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1
 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Steve Griffiths
 


1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: Desktop 1

Bill White
 

Hi, Steve. I don’t believe the number one attached to the primary desktop is because JAWS thinks the primary desktop is a tree view. Try this experiment. You can create virtual desktops with Windows 10.

 

While on your primary desktop, Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

JAWS will say:

Running Applications list box.

Now, Tab once

JAWS will say,

New Desktop button.

Press ENTER.

Now, when you go to your desktop and press JAWS key plus T,

JAWS will say,

Desktop2. This is because you now have your primary desktop plus one virtual desktop.

 

To get back to your Primary Desktop or Desktop1,

Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

Now, as you Tab around, you will see that you have Desktop1 and Desktop2. If you press ENTER on Desktop1, you will be back on your primary desktop which is Desktop1.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Excel workbooks 2016.

Jonas Voll
 

Hey guys!

I am stuck on a problem in Excel 2016; I have a workbook with two sheets.

Sheet 1 is Master, & Sheet 2 is Qa check & it is a hidden sheet sheet 1 Master sheet has some micros & with a button to create a copy of sheet 2 Qa check.

In sheet 2 Qa check, I have added the Title to make it read & it reads just fine.

Now this is the problem, with sheet 1 Master in focus I use the keyboard shortcut that is assigned to the button that creates a copy of sheet 2 Qa check!

It creates the copy but Jaws is not reading the Titles of columns in the copy of sheet QA check!

FYI!

And no I cannot share the file due to the micros in the sheet!

 

Jonas Voll
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Re: Desktop 1

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Desktop 1

Richard Turner
 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Laura Richardson
 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I think he was talking about the primary desktop when he said "normal desktop"

On 9/25/2017 10:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

OK, fair enough, but who came up with the subject where it says “normal desktop” in, I don’t think it’s a normal desktop at all.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, fair enough, but who came up with the subject where it says “normal desktop” in, I don’t think it’s a normal desktop at all.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526