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J18.0.4321 Today's Update Download Links + What's New

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Below are the direct download links for todays J18.0.4321 update, & what's new in this build.
 

32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
What's new:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 18.0.4321 (September 2017)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 18 July 2017 release and the September 2017 update.
 
Microsoft Edge Support (must be enabled in Settings Center)
 
This update introduces support for Edge, the latest web browser from Microsoft included in Windows 10. To use JAWS with Edge, you must be running the Windows
10 Creators update (version 1703) or later. While there are still several JAWS features that are not available in Edge such as selecting and copying using
the Virtual Cursor, PlaceMarkers, Smart Navigation, Flexible Web, and domain-specific settings, we have made the overall experience of navigating pages
in Edge using both speech and braille as similar as possible to working in Internet Explorer, Chrome, or Firefox. As we continue to work with Microsoft
to improve the Edge experience, future JAWS updates will include greater functionality. Edge support is also available in the new JAWS 2018.
 
Edge support is turned off by default in JAWS 18. This is because support for Microsoft Edge depends on some emerging technologies, which we continue to
fine-tune in close collaboration with Microsoft. You can turn on Edge support through Settings Center by doing the following:
 
list of 6 items
1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.
2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the JAWS default settings.
3. In the Search edit box, type "edge browser" without the quotes.
4. Press DOWN ARROW to move to "Microsoft Edge Browser Support" in the filtered search results in the tree view.
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.
6. Press ENTER to save your change and close Settings Center, and then quit and restart JAWS.
list end
 
Once JAWS is restarted, you will be able to use JAWS to access web pages in Edge. If you encounter any unusual issues after enabling Edge support, you
can go back into Settings Center as described above and disable it. If you do this, please let our Tech Support team know so the issue can be investigated.
 
The Virtual Cursor is used to read pages in Edge just like in other browsers. You can use the standard reading commands as well as most of the Navigation
Quick Keys to navigate through pages. Currently, there are a few Navigation Quick Keys that are not yet supported in Edge, however the most used commands;
moving by headings, paragraphs, forms, tables, lists, graphics, and regions, are available. More Navigation Quick Keys will be supported in future updates.
 
By default, JAWS uses Semi-auto Forms Mode in Edge, which turns on Forms Mode automatically only when you move to a form control using TAB or SHIFT+TAB.
Due to the way Edge displays pages, Auto Forms Mode is not available as it is possible to have multiple controls on a single line. You will need to press
ENTER to turn on Forms Mode if you use the ARROW keys to move to form fields.
 
Other familiar JAWS features that are currently supported include:
 
list of 4 items
• Displaying a list of links, headings, or form controls by pressing INSERT+F7, INSERT+F6, or INSERT+F5.
• Searching for text on the current page by pressing CTRL+F.
• Obtaining font information by pressing INSERT+F.
• The ability for JAWS to detect changes in the language used on a web page and automatically switch to the appropriate voice if available.
list end
 
As you begin using Edge, one important item to note is that Edge is a modern app with no menu bar that can be accessed using the ALT key. To access Edge
specific features, press TAB from the bottom of a page or SHIFT+TAB from the top. Continue using TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through the various controls
until you cycle back around to the content area. Alternatively, Edge offers many of the same shortcut keys found in other browsers such as CTRL+T to open
a new tab, CTRL+H for History, CTRL+I for Favorites, CTRL+J for Downloads, and so on.
 
Other Changes
list of 16 items
• Resolved stability issues reported by multiple customers using JAWS with Outlook 365.
• Addressed a reported issue with Audacity, a popular sound editor, where the application would stop working when attempting to open an MP3 file with JAWS
currently running.
• This update contains changes necessary to support Firefox version 57, scheduled for release in the fourth quarter of 2017. Firefox users must update
to JAWS 18.0.4321 to continue using this browser when it updates to version 57.
• Added the latest Brailliant BI display drivers from Humanware to support their Brailliant BI14 braille display.
• Resolved a customer reported issue with the UPS Tracking Research It lookup source not displaying any results.
• In Internet Explorer, addressed a customer reported issue with JAWS not always reading the correct label on form controls when navigating using TAB.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly loading settings for Office applications when Office 365 was installed through the Windows Store.
• Addressed an issue with JAWS not reading the contents of a book in the Kindle for PC app.
• In the latest version of Outlook 365, addressed issues with JAWS not reading as expected when navigating in the list of suggestions that displays when
typing a contact's name into a new message or calendar appointment.
• Resolved a customer reported issue where changes to voice profile settings were not being honored for the DECTalk USB hardware synthesizer.
• Addressed an issue with both the DECTalk Express and DECTalk USB hardware synthesizers where JAWS would unexpectedly close when performing a SayAll from
a web browser.
• When running JAWS and ZoomText together in Windows 7, resolved an issue where ZoomText's focus tracking was not working properly on the Secure Desktop
or the Logon screen.
• JAWS visual tracking is now enabled by default when navigating Windows HTML Help content such as the JAWS Help.
• A customer reported that JAWS was not working as expected with a particular Java application. This issue has been resolved.
• Resolved a reported issue with the German version of JAWS not working as expected after attempting to print or close a document in Word 2013.
• Fixed braille output issues with Hebrew.
list end
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Bill White
 

Hi again, Don. That's basically what I was asking. Was it a windows 10 install from scratch, or was it an upgrade. Perhaps it is a problem caused by the fact that it is an upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 10. My two computers which had Windows 10 installed on them at time of purchase have not had the problems you described.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

No I upgraded my HP laptop from Windows 8 very shortly after Windows 10
was available. I have now tried opening and closing Edge and it screws
up things 3 out of the 5 times I tried it.


On 9/26/2017 5:51 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. I, too, have Windows 10 Creators update and latest update to JAWS. I tried your same procedure, and did not experience the problems you described. I did this on two computers, one a PC, the other a laptop. Both of mine were new as of April, 2017.

Did you maybe upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10? Could this possibly be part of the problem?

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws
settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly
well. I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D
or Windows M doesn't help. I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and
when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get
to any of the options. Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of
the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that
says it works with Edge.

This same issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.













Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Maria Campbell
 

Sadly when that happens you may have to close down JAWS and restart it.


lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 9/26/2017 6:32 PM, Don H wrote:
OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly well.  I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D or Windows M doesn't help.  I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get to any of the options.  Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that says it works with Edge.

This same  issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.




Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Don H
 

No I upgraded my HP laptop from Windows 8 very shortly after Windows 10 was available.  I have now tried opening and closing Edge and it screws up things 3 out of the 5 times I tried it.

On 9/26/2017 5:51 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. I, too, have Windows 10 Creators update and latest update to JAWS. I tried your same procedure, and did not experience the problems you described. I did this on two computers, one a PC, the other a laptop. Both of mine were new as of April, 2017.

Did you maybe upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10? Could this possibly be part of the problem?

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws
settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly
well. I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D
or Windows M doesn't help. I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and
when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get
to any of the options. Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of
the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that
says it works with Edge.

This same issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.












Re: Windows Live Mail question

David Pearson
 

Hello Bryan:
 
Thank you for the reply, and information.  My ISP provider is Suddenlink, and I will give them a call to see if they’ve done anything to require this new verification(big pain) step.  Never occurred to me that they may be involved as the change happened literally overnightwithout any prior notification.
 
Thanks again,
 
 
 
DSP
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail question
 
What e-mail service are you using?   Is it possible that they have added something like two-step verification (which would need to be turned off if you intend to keep using Windows Live Mail with it)?

--
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Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Bill White
 

Hi, Don. I, too, have Windows 10 Creators update and latest update to JAWS. I tried your same procedure, and did not experience the problems you described. I did this on two computers, one a PC, the other a laptop. Both of mine were new as of April, 2017.

Did you maybe upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10? Could this possibly be part of the problem?

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws
settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly
well. I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D
or Windows M doesn't help. I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and
when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get
to any of the options. Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of
the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that
says it works with Edge.

This same issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.


Re: Windows Live Mail question

 

What e-mail service are you using?   Is it possible that they have added something like two-step verification (which would need to be turned off if you intend to keep using Windows Live Mail with it)?

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Don H
 

OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly well.  I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D or Windows M doesn't help.  I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get to any of the options.  Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that says it works with Edge.

This same  issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.


Windows Live Mail question

David Pearson
 

Hello all:

"Live Mail" came pre-installed on my Dell64-bit Windows7 desktop machine. Until now, it has always served me well. Starting today, when I access my "contacts" folder(Cntrl + 3) it now asks me to sign in for this folder when previously, the described key sequence has always placed me into my "contacts" list-no requirement to sign in.

I am wondering if some box, or something has been inadvertently been checked to cause this new "sign-in" step? If yes, how can I return the e-mail program back to its previous state where I didn't receive the "sign in" notice to be placed in my "contacts" folder list?

Thanks for any help,



David S. Pearson


JAWS OCR

Ann Byrne
 

When I use the JAWS OCR, text is usually produced fairly accurately. When I select/copy/paste it into a document, however, the text is segmented into numerous little irrelevant tables that are a stinker to read, and who wants to save a document full of irrelevant tables? Is there a way to avoid the table-izing of scanned-by-JAWS documents???

Thanks,


Re: returning to normal desktop

Jason White
 

I usually just type Windows+x u u if I need to shut down the system entirely.

 

However, since I’m using a laptop (whether mine at home or the one at work), I usually just type Windows +x u s to suspend it instead of performing a full shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Ann Byrne
 

I don't know your system, but it worked on mine.

Good luck!

At 04:01 PM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
Wouldn't I need to close Jaws first? My system crashes with Jaws and WE, so I assume it would do the same with Jaws and NVDA. Thanks


On 9/26/2017 1:34 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
this is an awkward work-around, but what I did was
1. press alt+control+n, which brought up NVDA.
2. Press insert+f2, which is NVDA's passthrough key.
3. Press alt+control+n for normal.
4. Turned off NVDA.

At 11:51 AM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks. Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

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If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

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2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

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I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

Â

Steve

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From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

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From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

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From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hi guys:

Â

I have two questions;

1. regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

Â

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat â€phenomenon;

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It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “readâ€to “huge harryâ€or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur ruleâ€,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “redâ€but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

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I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

Â

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

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If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

Â

Sincerely Yours,

Â

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]

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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Carol Smith
 

Thank you.  This should help.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 2:26 PM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

The hot keys I gave were just shortcuts; you could also use the ribbon by pressing Alt, W, E to get to draft mode, then Alt, W, P to get back to print mode.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 26 September 2017 18:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

this is an awkward work-around, but what I did was 1. press alt+control+n, which brought up NVDA.
2. Press insert+f2, which is NVDA's passthrough key.
3. Press alt+control+n for normal.
4. Turned off NVDA.

At 11:51 AM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a
>supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for
>NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to
>change the hot key for either of these two tasks. Thank you for any
>suggestions.
>
>Carol
>
>
>On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:
>>
>>1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it
>>used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N.
>>That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and
>>other visual stuff.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>If you want, when you've finished you can use
>>Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode,
>>which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound
>>schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you
>>what very easily. The reason is that attributes
>>like bold and italic are either on or off, so
>>it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when
>>they're on, and another when they're off. But
>>with colours, you can have any number of them,
>>so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a
>>given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read
>>bold text in one voice and italic text in
>>another, but if you have text which is bold and
>>italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I suppose, if you know the exact colours that
>>will appear in your documents, you might be
>>able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>Â
>>
>>From:
>><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
>>Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the
>>say all command if using speech. If I remember
>>rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>From:
>><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
>>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Hoping someone answers these via email since it
>>would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated
>>
>>Â
>>
>>From:
>><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
>>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
>>To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
>>Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Hi guys:
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I have two questions;
>>
>>1. regarding text columns:
>>
>>back sometime ago, there was discussion on this
>>list on how to read text columns within a word doc;
>>
>>(e.g. two text columns);
>>
>>The response on handling such matters was to
>>use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,
>>
>>Although this might be a solution in some instances,
>>
>>what if I am reading the doc straight through,
>>say a legal case as the other fella suggested?
>>
>>One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line
>>through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:
>>
>>I have delved into using proofreading schemes
>>and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat †phenomenon;
>>
>>Â
>>
>>It seems that when using one of these schemes,
>>(e.g. attributes, font, and colors);
>>
>>jaws when encountering either bold or italics,
>>the voice will change from “read†to
>>“huge harry†or something similar thereof;
>>
>>However,
>>
>>when encountering changes in color or font,
>>
>>jaws merely says the new color or font in a
>>different voice but then immediately reverts
>>back to default voice when reading the actual text.
>>
>>Example:
>>
>>am reading along and color of text is black on white;
>>
>>Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur ruleâ€,
>>
>>I would like jaws not only to change to the
>>voice when he says “red†but I wish for him
>>to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;
>>
>>when the color of text changes back to black
>>then jaws should default back to his regular voice.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any
>>other way to ask these questions?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?
>>
>>Â
>>
>>If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for
>>more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?
>>
>>Please advise further.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Sincerely Yours,
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Mike M.
>>
>>[ph: 618 783 9331.]
>>
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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Carol Smith
 

Wouldn't I need to close Jaws first? My system crashes with Jaws and WE, so I assume it would do the same with Jaws and NVDA. Thanks

On 9/26/2017 1:34 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
this is an awkward work-around, but what I did was
1. press alt+control+n, which brought up NVDA.
2. Press insert+f2, which is NVDA's passthrough key.
3. Press alt+control+n for normal.
4. Turned off NVDA.

At 11:51 AM 9/26/2017, you wrote:
Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks. Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

Â

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

Â

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

Â

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

Â

Steve

Â

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

Â

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

Â

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Â

Hi guys:

Â

I have two questions;

1. regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

Â

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat †phenomenon;

Â

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read†to “huge harry†or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur ruleâ€,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red†but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

Â

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

Â

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

Â

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

Â

Sincerely Yours,

Â

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]

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Re: Jaws 18 has an update?

Shannon
 

Thanks Brian and Bill,

Not much here that intrests me but… I’ll keep that handy little link.

 

None of the things that bother me are listed here so. Maybey  I should just wait for

2018.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Prewitt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 has an update?

 

Hi Shannon,

 

You can go to the following link:  http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/jaws/JAWSWhatsNew#Enhancements and read about the fixes and improvements in the September 2017 JAWS 18 update.

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 has an update?

 

Hi all,

I am not talking about the 2018 beta of the newest version of jaws. I do not have the beta installed at all.

I had to turn Jaws 18 off today and when I brought it back up I was faced with an update is available dialog. Yes or No were the only choices.

I don’t want to just go around updating things that are not necessary. How can one find out what is in the update?

I went to the website through the help menus but I didn’t find any read-me or any reference to an update for Jaws 18. I did see the beta file for down load and 32 and 64 byte Jaws 18 but I didn’t see any notes on the update I was told about when I launched Jaws.

 

So does anyone know what this is about? What is supposedly fixed/changed/added to Jaws 18?

Where do they put the read-me of the updates?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Desktop 1

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. The only reason I used the long way around when speaking to Steve was so that he would have the hands-on feel of creating the new desktop window. Of course the shortcuts are more convenient.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Why not just use the keyboard shortcuts:

Windows Key+Control+D will create new virtual desktops

Windows Key+Control+Left or Right Arrow will move you from Desktop 2 to Desktop 1 (with left arrow) and from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2 (with right arrowa).

If you are on Desktop 2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever) press Windows Key+Control+F4 to close that desktop, if you are on Desktop 2 and close it you’ll be returned to Desktop 1.

Using the Taskview may be easy for a sighted person using a mouse, but even here power users who want to do things fast often know the keyboard shortcuts.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi, Steve. I don’t believe the number one attached to the primary desktop is because JAWS thinks the primary desktop is a tree view. Try this experiment. You can create virtual desktops with Windows 10.

 

While on your primary desktop, Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

JAWS will say:

Running Applications list box.

Now, Tab once

JAWS will say,

New Desktop button.

Press ENTER.

Now, when you go to your desktop and press JAWS key plus T,

JAWS will say,

Desktop2. This is because you now have your primary desktop plus one virtual desktop.

 

To get back to your Primary Desktop or Desktop1,

Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

Now, as you Tab around, you will see that you have Desktop1 and Desktop2. If you press ENTER on Desktop1, you will be back on your primary desktop which is Desktop1.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Re: Desktop 1

 

Why not just use the keyboard shortcuts:

Windows Key+Control+D will create new virtual desktops

Windows Key+Control+Left or Right Arrow will move you from Desktop 2 to Desktop 1 (with left arrow) and from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2 (with right arrowa).

If you are on Desktop 2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever) press Windows Key+Control+F4 to close that desktop, if you are on Desktop 2 and close it you’ll be returned to Desktop 1.

Using the Taskview may be easy for a sighted person using a mouse, but even here power users who want to do things fast often know the keyboard shortcuts.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi, Steve. I don’t believe the number one attached to the primary desktop is because JAWS thinks the primary desktop is a tree view. Try this experiment. You can create virtual desktops with Windows 10.

 

While on your primary desktop, Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

JAWS will say:

Running Applications list box.

Now, Tab once

JAWS will say,

New Desktop button.

Press ENTER.

Now, when you go to your desktop and press JAWS key plus T,

JAWS will say,

Desktop2. This is because you now have your primary desktop plus one virtual desktop.

 

To get back to your Primary Desktop or Desktop1,

Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

Now, as you Tab around, you will see that you have Desktop1 and Desktop2. If you press ENTER on Desktop1, you will be back on your primary desktop which is Desktop1.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Laura Richardson
 

That’s the same exact result I got when I pressed control + N several times.  Also, desktop and desktop one are not identical …… They don’t have the same number of icons ……

 

Laura

  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

It seems that pressing control+n when you are on a desktop creates another instance if you do that more than once.

Try pressing control+n several times. Then see how many desktops are open when you alt+tab, task view Windows key tab or what ever you do to move through windows.

I just created several copies that each had the title "desktop"  But when I closed all of them; there was no desktop when I press alt+tab to move through  windows.  Then I pressed winkey+d to move to the desktop which Jaws title calls desktop 1.

 

It's very interesting if just a bit confusing.

 

Bob

 

 

On 2017-09-26 6:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Bill White
 

Hi, Robert. You are correct about CONTROL plus N creating multiple desktop windows. However, these instances are not virtual desktops with associated numbers when using JAWSkey plus T. they are the Windows 10 default desktop, not even the primary desktop.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

It seems that pressing control+n when you are on a desktop creates another instance if you do that more than once.

Try pressing control+n several times. Then see how many desktops are open when you alt+tab, task view Windows key tab or what ever you do to move through windows.

I just created several copies that each had the title "desktop"  But when I closed all of them; there was no desktop when I press alt+tab to move through  windows.  Then I pressed winkey+d to move to the desktop which Jaws title calls desktop 1.

 

It's very interesting if just a bit confusing.

 

Bob

 

 

On 2017-09-26 6:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 


Re: returning to normal desktop

Robert Logue
 

It seems that pressing control+n when you are on a desktop creates another instance if you do that more than once.

Try pressing control+n several times. Then see how many desktops are open when you alt+tab, task view Windows key tab or what ever you do to move through windows.

I just created several copies that each had the title "desktop"  But when I closed all of them; there was no desktop when I press alt+tab to move through  windows.  Then I pressed winkey+d to move to the desktop which Jaws title calls desktop 1.


It's very interesting if just a bit confusing.


Bob



On 2017-09-26 6:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.